The Anti-U.S. Constitution, Pro-Corruption, Dead-Enders who still support the War in Iraq –despite the fact that it was founded on lies and deceitful misinformation given to the American People and Congress by its supporters in the Bush Administration — are finding themselves in a quickly shrinking minority in America.
This weekend’s Anti-War rally, which turned out at least 100,000 supporters by conservative estimates, and up to 600,000 by other estimates, dwarfed the Pro-War faction left to turn out for an embarrassingly sparsely attended Pro-War rally. The War Lovers sheduled their rally as a counter to counter those who support American Values and American Troops by calling for their proper protection in battle, their appropriately-funded medical care after they return, and for them to be returned home to America and their families as soon as possible.
AP’s story on the Pro-Bush/Anti-Sheehan rally this morning revealed that the dwindling pro-war movement in America could barely muster up more than a few hundred folks to turn out in D.C. this weekend.
The story also points out that such folks are squarely in the American minority — not that you’d know it from the way the Conservative Media, such as CNN, MSNBC and FOX “News” covered the events. “[O]nly 37 percent approved or leaned toward approval of how Bush has handled the situation in Iraq,” the story points out. As well, those who “strongly disapprove” of the war, outweigh those who “strongly approve” by a vast 2 to 1 margin.
(None of which kept C-SPAN, of course, from giving the 400 Pro-War demonstrators the same amount of airtime they gave to the 100,000+ Anti-War demonstrators, further validating our oft-repeated journalistic critique that “Balance is Bullshit”)
Here’s what AP had to say…
Smaller-than-expected gathering follows anti-war protest
WASHINGTON (AP) — Support for U.S. troops fighting abroad mixed with anger toward anti-war demonstrators at home as hundreds of people, far fewer than organizers had expected, rallied Sunday on the National Mall just a day after tens of thousands protested against the war in Iraq.
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About 400 people gathered near a stage on an eastern segment of the mall, a large patchwork American flag serving as a backdrop.
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Many demonstrators focused their ire at Cindy Sheehan…[who] was among the speakers at Saturday’s rally near the Washington Monument on the western part of the mall, an event that attracted an estimated 100,000 people.
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Organizers of Sunday’s demonstration acknowledged that their rally would be much smaller than the anti-war protest but had hoped that as many as 20,000 people would turn out.
On Saturday, demonstrators opposed to the war in Iraq surged past the White House in the largest anti-war protest in the nation’s capital since the U.S. invasion in March 2003. The rally stretched through the night, a marathon of music, speechmaking and dissent on the mall.
National polls have found steadily declining support for the war in Iraq, with a majority of Americans now believing the war was a mistake.
In an AP-Ipsos poll this month, only 37 percent approved or leaned toward approval of how Bush has handled the situation in Iraq; strong disapproval outweighed strong approval by 2-1, 46 percent to 22 percent.
The pro-war organizers were hoping for 20,000?? and got 400?? That’s two percent of their target! ;-0
The pro-peace organizers were hoping for 100,000, and got 2 or 3, or maybe even 5 or 6 times that number! 😉
Ha!
Those 400 are sad
The 400 were very sad indeed. It was a very, very sad event. I felt bad for the families. We(my family) were once like them during the Viet Nam war. We had to believe the war was right ‘cuz if it wasn’t then our sacrifices (which were many!) would be in vane. It was heart wrenching to see them.
400! heh heh. spin that, media slime!
Actually, none of the Pro-war protests have been very successful. A hand-ful in Crawford, Pentagon walk/concert was just pitiful, and now this dismal turn-out.
I’m beginning to think these Pro-war people are not very popular or motivated. Good.
You give then too much credit Bard. There weren’t 400. Maybe 200. They were one person deep on the sidewalk for one city block
From what I witnessed on c-span, the pro war rally probably didn’t even have 150.
Every time I have witnessed the rallies for sanity and peace as opposed to the war monger rallies, I would have to say they seem to generate the same amounts of people for both sides. It is truly amazing to see the comparsions.
I think it is time for more and more rallies until the MSM has no other choice but to cover what reality looks like.
300,000 protest against Iraq war
from the Melbourne (Oz) Herald Sun
—snippet
Organisers of the Washington demonstration said 300,000 people had assembled — triple the expected 100,000. But Washington police refused to confirm this.
A US veterans’ group said the protests would devastate troop morale.
But a 22-year-old who fought in Iraq until medically discharged four months ago, disagreed. "People join the military to defend their country, not lies," said Adam Reuter.
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I don’t understand the media’s continuing commitment to providing us with a conservative agenda. I haven’t seen much about the anti-war protest on the major tv stations, but it seems to have been an absolutely HUGE event worthy of a great deal of coverage. I am happy, however, that the general public is starting to come around and see this President and his administration for what they really are. LIARS!! — JP from ALL THINGS LEFT
Look at what these jerks did to the American flag
LINK
#3 Thanks for enlightenment Jo. How tragic this is that people have to suffer, but then to add blind suffering to their anguish makes this war even more cruel. I am so sorry that the 400 are Troops families. Gosh, how do we make them see, besides praying for them? Is there any way at all to educate them to let them see the best thing for their Troops is to come home now?
Not to be devil’s advocate…
It is important to remember a couple things about this past weekend;
The Bush Administration and it’s supporters don’t care about rallies. it’s not spin… it’s them. They don’t care what 100,000 or 300,000 or 1 Million people think about their agenda.
They are blinded within their own "realities".
So, the few comments from them were belittling of C Sheehan and J Jackson. And, they contend that 100,000 people is only 20% of what showed up in 1969 to protest Viet Nam.
Not very good arguments on their part… but, that’s the angle.
Since "conservative" War Supporters don’t take others seriously, they don’t show up to counter rallies. Their numbers are shrinking quickly… but, there are still an awful lot of blind sheep. We must not let our guard down.
Wow… I can already see the news titles:
"3000 Dead and countles injured in Washington DC by terrorist blasts"
Seeing what your government can to all over the world (eg: Iraq) and home (eg:NO) I wouldn’t be surprised if "evil, satanic, communist, islamist, (add propaganda here) terrorists" send a suicide bomber to the next massive anti-war protests.
This way they can shoot (or, should I say ‘blast’) two rabbits with one fire: 1. Get rid of ‘enemies of the people’ and proove that slaughtering scores of arabs across the middle east against ‘war on terror’ is quite justified…
After all they already had ‘anomolous’ malfunction at subway and train (or whatever AmTrak is)…
The Herald (Australia) says there were 300,000 (link here) and A.N.S.W.E.R. coalition said "We had hoped for 100,000 people, and more than 300,000 joined the protest. We received media coverage all around the world." in an email they sent me.
And how big was our Pro-War rally prior to our invasion of Iraq compared to your Anti-War protest???
But what happened in 2002??? More republicans elected for Congress. What happened in 2004??? Bush elected. What happened in Australia?? The pro-war Howard re-elected. What happened in Britian?? The pro-war Blair re-elected.
You can rally all you want but mainstream Americans still know that you guys are crazy and will continue to elect republicans.
(kicks the hornets nests and walks away smiling)
400 Show up.
$600 Raised
Gee that’s about $1.50 each – good job!
#15
Yeah and many people voted for nixon again even after he broke his promise of pulling us out of vietnam the first time. The war in vietnam was hugely popular for a while until the truth got out and the american people realized their government was lying to them.
Reagan was elected when he pulled a backdoor deal to get the hostages out while at the same time selling arms. If it wasn’t for his failing health and Ollie North taking the fall he would have been impeached over the Iran-Contra Scandal.
A large majority of people voted for Bush Sr. until they realized how much of an asshole he was and drove him out of office.
Moral of the story, sometimes people realize almost after its too late how bad a politician could be for them and they will eventually write the wrong like with Nixon and Vietnam and the depression. So now matter how many people you disenfranchised in 2000 and 2004 rest assured the majority of Americans no longer support your war.
I think it’s more accurate to call the 150 or so that marched in support of the war "Liberal haters" than "warmongers."
When these out-of-touch folks look at us, they don’t see principled opponents of a horrid war. They see unpatriotic, lazy slackers with bleeding hearts. They see people who tolerate crime (the violent kind only, because white-collar crime is O.K. with them). They see "druggies," and welfare cheats, and no-account hippies. They see people consumed with hate…because it takes one to know one.
Don’t be confused by the "support our troops" rationale, or the "protests encourage the enemy" crap we first heard during the Vietnam War. This isn’t about troops, or patriotism, or even Iraq. It’s about hatred; liberals have taken the place of Confederate sympathizers after the Civil War, of anarchists and foreigners after World War I, and of Communists after World War II. In the new Gilded Age, liberals are the scapegoats…the center of the dartboard for today’s hating class of neo-cons, Bible-belt rednecks, and assorted closet racists.
Uncle Bob and Nukie! Your thinking is pure fantasy. You don’t get it, so, you keep pretending that you had a really big, nice pro-war rally?
How could there be such a thing as a big, nice pro-war rally?
And, how could you have a "visible" but blind trust?
(Same way, I suppose.)
Yes, we are in DC in massive numbers, and you’re not. You only have your "pretend" news on tv. Guess what? Not in my house you don’t. I enjoy the streaming videos from Bill Maher, et al, who show the real clowns in the ring! Mystery is: How did clowns become politicians?
Oh! FYI – There is not a chance that we’d "suicide bomb" our people.
IRT #19 by Lindy:
"Uncle Bob and Nukie! Your thinking is pure fantasy. You don’t get it, so, you keep pretending that you had a really big, nice pro-war rally?"
??? WTF ???
You ment "Nukie! You…." and something about my post that just missed the textinput box, no? 😛
Read post #13 again and figure out for yourself…
Or "Uncle Bob and " is like a standard postal prefix ?
A slight majority of Americans may not be happy for the way the war is going but, they don’t support pulling the troops out now. Bush told us last year that we are in it for the long haul. And guess what, the American people believed him and a majority of those voting placed him back in office. We control the White House and Congress. The troops aren’t going anywhere until the job is done. By then, democracy should be flourishing in Iraq, the troops should mostly be home. That should be enough to ensure continued domination in 2006 and 2008 🙂
NuclearChemist – How will you know if the war is won?
What is the goal? And be specific please, and remember, the reason given for the invasion was to rid Iraq of WMD. The only way to come anywhere near doing that now is to remove US troops from Iraq.
So what is the point at which you will say, "Okay, we won, now the troops can come home"?
Just curious.
BTW, Bush didn’t win the election – the vote was hacked.
Cognitive dissonance is a bitch, ain’t it?
UNCLE BOB — using your own terminology,
"two rabbits with one fire", my post #19 was in response to your #13 and NuclearChemist’s #15.
I really feel you do not deserve an explanation. Now you re-read #19 after you get over your afternoon cocktail. (Or continue trying to make a fantasy out of whatever you read as usual.)
#21
A slight majority? No a slight majority is the supposed mandate Bush "won" the 2004 election by. What do you call the +10% that he’s trailing by in the polls? An act of God?
IRT #24 by Lindy:
Jeebuzz, woman! It seems that, although you are on the anti-war site, you still belong to the ‘dinosaurs were made by satan’ school of thought! >:
Here’s the addnoted version for dumbasses:
With the criminal record of your administration, a ‘terrorist’ blast at a future antiwar demo is very likley…
Think about it (I know it’s hard, but try)… If they engineer a terrorist attack they’ll shoot two rabbits at once:
1. ‘enemies of the people’ will be splatterd all across the Withe House lawn and
2. it’ll ‘proove’ that evil satanic islamic (add probaganda here) whatever terorists are a very real threat, thus providing a casus belli for the occupation and possible attacks on Iran/Siria…
And with the infailable combination of retardness and brainwashness your people are displaying everybody will buy right away… (at least everybody in the US)
Do you get it now?
Brighteyes,
We will have one won when an elected government is in place, their military has been sufficiently trained and armed to take over the country and the government is confident enough to ask us to leave. I expect that we will be slowly starting to withdraw our troops middle of next year. Already Iraq troops are doing point duty in insurgent fighting based on tips phoned in by citizens that hate the insurgents.
And you guys would allow the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Iraqi’s from a bloody civil war if we pulled out now. Just so Bush won’t get the credit when he brings democracy to Iraq. You guys should really be ashamed of yourselves.
The 2004 election WAS hacked??? Please provide names, locations, and the number of votes hacked. Whining because you lost the election is not proof, nor is wishfull thinking.
Brighteyes,
For your information, WMD was one of 13-17 reasons that Bush gave for invading Iraq. Just because one wasn’t valid doesn’t mean the others were also. I know one of the reasons was Saddam violating U.N. resolutions. We DID find out that he was violating the ban that was imposed on him about the range of his missiles.
Those missiles were "determined’ to be theoretically able to fly 10% further than was allowed. Their design range was within the allowable limit. But that doesn’t really matter because Saddam immediately agreed to give them up.
How about the remaining 12 -16 reasons? Bring them on. I’m ready.
You could start by listing the resolutions he was violating. I think, I could be wrong, but perhaps all of the those violations had something to do with the WMD he didn’t have, said he didn’t have, documented that he didn’t have and that the US and IAEA inspectors said he didn’t have and documented that he didn’t.
Uncle Bob! Ah got it the first time! Thas why ah cuzzed you so much trubble! (Mabe if I went to school?) … Ah thank ah know you!
Jus wundered if you wuz over thar at that pro-war picnic!
Uncle Bob! Welcome to the world of blog!
What surprised me about the pro-war protestors of which I think there were less than 100, (like stated above they were not even 1 people layer thick on one block, behind a line that had more cops than protest protestors and did not even shoulder to shoulder) was that they were young men mostly that could be serving in their justifiable Iraqi war, but when asked just called why they weren’t enlisted just responded by calling us pussy and cowards …now who’s the pussy there? Looks like the protest protestors are the pussies to me, they can scream the scream, but won’t fight the fight!
What surprised me about the pro-war protestors of which I think there were less than 100, (like stated above they were not even 1 people layer thick on one block, behind a line that had more cops than protest protestors and did not even stand shoulder to shoulder) was that they were young men mostly that could be serving in their justifiable Iraqi war, but when asked just called why they weren’t enlisted just responded by calling us pussy and cowards …now who’s the pussy there? Looks like the protest protestors are the pussies to me, they can scream the scream, but won’t fight the fight!
nuclear,
pugs don’t win elections they steal them. However the next election will be different. If the ability to hack the machines is not fixed, the real computer hackers plan to hack the shit out of it proving once and for all how hackable it is. 87 million more votes than voters ought to prove the voting equiptment sucks eh?
kick the hornets nest all you want. Idiots do that sort of thing. Watch out! Don’t get stung.
nuclear, you must be an idiot. Are u channeling Bill O’lielly there? Damn, if they took away the right wing talking points for the sheeple like you to follow, I wonder if you could speak on your own at all. I’m not sure whether I like you being here because you bring such comedy relief or if I am just sick of hearing the same ol same o from you and the hosemonster there.
Get informed. The country and the world depends on it.
By the way, shrub is going down. Can you see how he walks with his shoulders slumped down? He knows. He knows its almost over. His only hope is to nuke his own people. This will come as a suitcase or dirty bomb and will be blamed on Iran, Syria or whoever they decide is next to taste American Freedom cowboy style. They are near the desperate point. Lets watch shall we?
Bush stated in the last presidential election that the war in Iraq was not going to end any time soon. People knew this and still re-elected him knowing that the war could get worse before it got better.
Bush has not lied to the people of America since his last re-election. When Bush stated that there were weapons of mass destruction he was not lying. There have been materials that are used in making weapons of mass destruction found in Iraq. The materials were found because of bombs that have gone off near US military convoy. Bush does not want to leave until he is certain that our safety is protected, even if that means our troops have to stay there for many more years.
Just because people do not show up to a rally does not mean that there are not people that support the war. When Bush was re-elected in 2004 it showed how many people agree with the decisions he is making towards the war. He does not need rallies to back his decisions thats why those who are pro war do not feel the need to go and justify the war in Iraq.
Bush stated in the last presidential election that the war in Iraq was not going to end any time soon. People knew this and still re-elected him knowing that the war could get worse before it got better.
Bush has not lied to the people of America since his last re-election. When Bush stated that there were weapons of mass destruction he was not lying. There have been materials that are used in making weapons of mass destruction found in Iraq. The materials were found because of bombs that have gone off near US military convoy. Bush does not want to leave until he is certain that our safety is protected, even if that means our troops have to stay there for many more years.
Just because people do not show up to a rally does not mean that there are not people that support the war. When Bush was re-elected in 2004 it showed how many people agree with the decisions he is making towards the war. He does not need rallies to back his decisions thats why those who are pro war do not feel the need to go and justify the war in Iraq.
Bush stated in the last presidential election that the war in Iraq was not going to end any time soon. People knew this and still re-elected him knowing that the war could get worse before it got better.
Bush has not lied to the people of America since his last re-election. When Bush stated that there were weapons of mass destruction he was not lying. There have been materials that are used in making weapons of mass destruction found in Iraq. The materials were found because of bombs that have gone off near US military convoy. Bush does not want to leave until he is certain that our safety is protected, even if that means our troops have to stay there for many more years.
Just because people do not show up to a rally does not mean that there are not people that support the war. When Bush was re-elected in 2004 it showed how many people agree with the decisions he is making towards the war. He does not need rallies to back his decisions thats why those who are pro war do not feel the need to go and justify the war in Iraq.
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