READER COMMENTS ON
"The End of the Bush Era...An Epitaph"
(74 Responses so far...)
COMMENT #1 [Permalink]
said on 9/14/2005 @ 10:29 pm PT...
Dum du dum....
House Republicans on the Intelligence committee decide to hold a closed door hearing, no media allowed
Now they're bringing the votes about Plame and the War behind closed doors.....SO WE CAN'T EVEN SEE WHO VOTES FOR WHAT!!!!
That is total bullshit and we need to slam all these freaks and neocon shills of the GOP!!!
Slam your congress to the wall and DEMAND they explain their votes for opposing the inquiry resolution on Plame.
Its time to demand all their heads on a platter, the ones still gripping tightly to this admin are hanging onto the titanic!!!
Congress is NOT Bush Admin's rubberstamp machine.....Its time all the sane, THINKING congress leaders say enough is enough and vote AGAINST this farce!!!!!
Kerry knows about the Coverup
"It has since become blindingly apparent that Senator Pat Roberts, the committee chairman, intends to retreat on that commitment. In a July 20 letter to US Senator John Kerry, the Kansas Republican made it clear that he doesn't see that as an important priority, and that even if his committee completes phase II, the results may not be made public."
That sneaky bastard Pat Roberts up to his obstruction of justice eyeballs....
Its time to throw them all out, and toss out the voting machines.
BYE BYE, THIS FIRE IS BURNING!!!!!
COMMENT #2 [Permalink]
said on 9/14/2005 @ 10:36 pm PT...
Well the article is half right. Bush failed the people of America, but he didn't fail the corporate interets of America. He even went to the lengths of fabricating evidence to start a war in Iraq. He even went to the lengths of murdering tens of thousands of Iraqis in the name of corporate wealth. He even went to the lengths of diverting trillions in surplus money directly to tax cuts for the wealthy - not to mention the billions in tax breaks for corporations. Bush even "aided and abetted" in the 9.11 attacks which would allow for his wars in Iraq and Afganistan. Bush is a stunning success if you look at corporate profits for energy and war-based industries. He's managed to turn blood, sweat, and tears in to dollar signs. Not many human beings can do that (being human DOES require a soul).
Perhaps we should impeach and incarcerate this soul-less damnation.
COMMENT #3 [Permalink]
said on 9/14/2005 @ 10:52 pm PT...
Whatever you do, don't forget it wasn't just Bush.
The entire GOP is wrong. The traitors in the GOP supported, and aided this treason once again.
And they all need to be kicked out as a result and don't you forget it, each and every GOP congress member who has no conscience or care in the world.
Remember the first step to that, get rid of the voting machines entirely. And force the legislation out to curve back the corrupt corporate americana.
You know what has to be done.
COMMENT #4 [Permalink]
said on 9/14/2005 @ 11:26 pm PT...
KR Report: 'Confused' Chertoff Delayed Federal Katrina Response
NEW YORK In a major scoop, three reporters with Knight Ridder's Washington bureau report that Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff, not ex-FEMA chief Michael Brown, was the “federal official with the power to mobilize a massive federal response to Hurricane Katrina.”
In a damning allegation, they suggest that Chertoff “may have been confused about his lead role in disaster response and that of his department.”
----more at E&P article---
KR article is here:
Michael Chertoff was in charge of the response to Katrina before and after it hit, even though FEMA director Michael Brown took the fall.
But Chertoff --- not Brown --- was in charge of managing the national response to a catastrophic disaster, according to the National Response Plan, the federal government's blueprint for how agencies will handle major natural disasters or terrorist incidents. An order issued by Bush in 2003 also assigned that responsibility to the homeland security director.
But according to a memo obtained by Knight Ridder, Chertoff didn't shift that power to Brown until late afternoon or evening on Aug. 30, about 36 hours after Katrina hit Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama. That same memo suggests that Chertoff may have been confused about his lead role in disaster response and that of his department.
COMMENT #5 [Permalink]
Lions Share Forces
said on 9/15/2005 @ 1:03 am PT...
Also don't even think about Dennis Hastert.....for anyone who was considering it.
Speaker of the House is bought and paid for, by them already.....Hastert is a willing con-man employed by Turkish mafia forces through political contributions.
Nothing less than espionage & racketeering, its been going on for years. It seems to have taken america this long to just wake up to it.......
Want to stop them,get to Sibel Edmonds and the others and get the gag orders lifted....Throw out their lackies, and make Hastert resign. That's the only way to touch them, the only way for any of you to end their occupation here legally.
COMMENT #6 [Permalink]
said on 9/15/2005 @ 2:03 am PT...
Here is the era I wish would end. With the poor people in Houston schools feeling left out, they are now attacking the have's, the displaced Katrina victims.
Liberal policy left those in need without
By TIM CHAVEZ
FRANKLIN — I was standing in line during the lunch hour to get my car tag renewed when two Hispanic males at the counter caught my eye.They spoke almost all Spanish. Their clothes were dirty and sweaty. After paying, the pair departed with car tags. And that got me thinking in a way few politicians have been since Hurricane Katrina. Yes, let's play the blame game. But go back decades, not just a few days in September, to determine why so many people were abandoned and how to stop the same suffering in other cities.First, how is it that two men — new to this country, who spoke little English, who traveled to get here and who are working tough jobs — can afford cars when 134,000 citizens of New Orleans in America for generations and speaking English cannot? And that inability kept them from evacuating.Long before Katrina hit, these citizens were abandoned. Four decades of well-meaning Great Society programs were supposed to rescue them. And while activists such as Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson have returned to the national spotlight to cry racism and deride Republicans, the real problem has been public policy that has not empowered enough people to save themselves….
….Katrina finally brought these folks to the surface after decades of anonymity. Republicans may not have a better answer in the short term. But the long-term answer is in the president's education reforms. For too long, the growing gap in achievement scores between whites and minorities was explained by a need for more money. Yet D.C. schools, with high per-pupil spending, had the worst scores. Education is the ultimate empowerment. Let the blame game begin in Washington with hearings and speeches. But go beyond a few days in September to four decades of public policy that did not work as intended in helping people save themselves.
COMMENT #7 [Permalink]
said on 9/15/2005 @ 2:29 am PT...
Hey Commander HOC:
You are a total fucking idiot. Education reforms will not help any of those people, they won't even help you.
Don't be so emphatically short-sighted. The bullshit conservative movement of drowning the government in a bathtub killed their chances. It killed their chances long ago, since most of Louisiana and Mississippi are GOP controlled.
Yes lets fix the blame right where it belongs, on the entire selfish pig headed fool-skin GOP agenda. And the misery and stupidity it wrought.
Those ridiculous welfare programs should have been abolished long ago. Instead replaced by anti-class discrimination laws, using a class-fare policy that raises the wage for poor and under-class.
Then they could have bellied up and done alot more good than the rich-stuck up fundies of Louisiana were capable of too. Hell from that moment forward, the poor people of that city needed a class-protection program. Not bullshit jesus programs.
Now we have that situation and over 4.5 million americans and rising for poverty. And they owe it all to the bullshit agendas in the con movement. No liberal or other polices make up the government of Louisiana, never have. And Nagin he isn't even a real person just a GOP stooge who switched to democrat.
COMMENT #8 [Permalink]
said on 9/15/2005 @ 3:36 am PT...
If you give it away they will come, and bring their votes with them.
COMMENT #9 [Permalink]
said on 9/15/2005 @ 3:46 am PT...
Commander Hocstetter (Hogans Heroes), is probably a PNAC/AEI plant trying to insert doubt onto the fence sitters that come here to read and learn, screw him
COMMENT #10 [Permalink]
said on 9/15/2005 @ 5:42 am PT...
Time to storm Jupiter Island ...
COMMENT #11 [Permalink]
said on 9/15/2005 @ 8:17 am PT...
The President has started something.
Can you believe it? The President, George Bush is not going to get to take more blame for what happened in NO then we are. We dems can never let that happen. Lets all say it was our fault.
""Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Babineaux Blanco yesterday took responsibility for failures and missteps in the immediate response to Hurricane Katrina and pledged a united effort to rebuild areas ravaged by the storm.
...The Democratic governor, who has criticized the response of federal officials to the storm and subsequent flood that deluged New Orleans, yesterday told legislators that Mr. Bush is "a friend and partner" in Louisiana's recovery effort."""
COMMENT #12 [Permalink]
said on 9/15/2005 @ 8:54 am PT...
"Republicans said Karl Rove, the White House deputy chief of staff and Mr. Bush's chief political adviser, was in charge of the reconstruction effort, which reaches across many agencies of government and includes the direct involvement of Alphonso R. Jackson, secretary of housing and urban development." --- (Michaelmoore.com)
COMMENT #13 [Permalink]
said on 9/15/2005 @ 8:58 am PT...
Leaked transcript of Bush's Prime Time photo-op/ address from New Orleans
New Orleans, Louisianna
September 15, 2005
President Pee Wee goose-steps onto the podium brandishing a golf club, in the style of Bob Hope and takes his place at the microphone…
My fellow Americans, especially those of you in New Orleans, I bring regards from Mike Brown in DC – he did a heck of a job didn’t he. As you all know our great nation has been dealt a horrendous blow recently. Since most of you are not working for the Federal Government, you are probably quite aware of all that has happened. Just yesterday I was brought up to speed on this horrible tragedy. For those of you who aren’t aware of just how bad things have gotten let me spell it out for you. But first I want to assure you that I intend to do everything in my power to make things right again and I have faith that I will prevail. In the last few days, after a major hurricane and massive flooding, my poll numbers have hit an all time low. Yes that’s right, I know it’s hard to believe that a popular guy like me, who so many of you would like to have a beer with, is now probably the least popular president in memory. I’m sure you all agree with me that this is not right. After all, I’ve never made a mistake, I have a good heart and I’m a man of faith. And that’s why I’ve come here into the jaws of devastation to talk directly to you, the American people. Don’t forget I got re-elected by a landslide and I have a mandate to do whatever I want. While my first instinct is to blame Clinton, I can't really do that right now since he and daddy are helpin' me out by raisin a few bucks so it looks like we're doin' something positive. Since I'm havin' such a hard time blamin' somebody else and since I'm so desperate I guess I'll have to sort of take some...you know... kind of....accept some of the responsibility-related program activity thing.
I mean, yeah I have some re...resp....onsi...bility, but it's not my fault. That damn hurricane came out of nowhere. It just sort of appeared when nobody was looking and I was busy helping our nation by takin' a vacation - hey, that kind of rhymes, heh, heh, heh. It's not like it was just sitting around in the Gulf for days and days gathering strength and getting bigger or anything. Who knew that New Orleans could hold so much water? Who knew that there were poor people living in such an important city? Who even knew that New Orleans was such an important city? Who could have known that the Department of Homeland Security, after four years of preparation for an event just like this would turn out to be such a worthless, money-wasting piece of shit? Surely not me; I was sure everything was under control. It almost makes me wish I did read newspapers. I thought everything was okay since there wasn’t even an orange threat alert. What’s up with that? Now I know what some of you are thinking; there’s a whole city filled with toxic soup and dead bodies, there’s millions of gallons of precious oil just floating into the Mississippi River and gas mains on fire and there’s hundreds of thousands of people who lost everything including their jobs and now we’re looking at hundreds of billions of dollars in reconstruction. Let me speak to these important issues. First, we will not be counting these lost jobs when next month’s employment figures come out so it won’t look like our economy is tanking and we're doin' our best to keep the body count to a minimum so 9/11 still looks likt the worst thing that ever happened in the whole world. Second, we have brought in the finest reconstructionists money can buy – our good friends at Halliburton have promised to rebuild this fine city just as they’ve done in Iraq. Anyway all that stuff is taken care of – MISSION ACCOMPLISHED. Sure, I could go around the country and have all kinds of fundraisers to get money to help the people who got wiped out by that stupid hurricane - hell, if i even raised half as much as I did for my campaigns and that massive innauguration we could build two cities and all the damn levees anybody could ever want, but I’m a very busy man and I need time to relax and take care of myself to I can be a better president…well, heck I sure couldn’t be much worse, heh, heh, heh. But seriously, at least we know there’s no WMD hidden down here in the Big Easy and that should make all Americans feel safer than before 9/11.
So you see, the real important thing here is to get my poll numbers back into double digits. I have a legacy to preserve here, y’understand. I have been real popular since I got elected or appointed or whatever. Those of you still supportin’ me have got to do whatever it takes to make your neighbors like me again. Now I know I can’t get elected or appointed or whatever again, but I want the history books to say nice things about me. None of that stuff about me bein’ a drunk or a coke-head or a draft evader, or letting terr’ists fly planes into buildings because I ingnored an obvious warning or whatever, or that I took more vacation time than any president, or probably any person – ever, or that I was the only president to ever play golf while a whole city drowned. No I want them history books to talk about all my accomplishments like keeping Terri Schiavo alive, and the PATRIOT Act, and beatin’ Saddam, and Abu Ghraib, and all them great tax cuts for the rich and getting rid of the death tax, and my great Social Security plan, and Clear Skies, Healthy Forests, No Child Left Alive and that other great stuff I done. We must work together to fix this mess. I mean, not that it matters to me - I don't pay attention to the polls, but I hear tell that lots of folks wonder what other countries think about America havin’ a unpopular president. It makes us look silly. So I want all of you to go out there and make me popular again, not for me but for your country and because God wants you to. Like I said I’ll make sure New Orleans gets rebuilt real quick-like, but the real important thing here is makin’ your president look popular again, which of course is the real reason I came all the way down here so many times once I realized that the polls I never care about were lookin' soooooo bad. I know y’all can do it, you’re Americans, and I’m Americans so we’re all in this thing together. So go out there and show all them unbelievers that your president is a good guy or we’re all gonna be in a heap a trouble and I’m not kiddin’. Now watch this drive.
COMMENT #14 [Permalink]
said on 9/15/2005 @ 9:24 am PT...
That is just priceless. Poll numbers into ' double digits' indeed! LOL
Sounds just like him, I could even imagine his voice as I read ! Sooo funny!
COMMENT #15 [Permalink]
said on 9/15/2005 @ 9:29 am PT...
I'd like to add to Rolling Stones' comment (#3), that some Democrats are gonna have to go as well. And some Republicans (like Ron Paul) should stick around.
We need to get rid of the corporate loyalists and focus on candidates who represent the people of the United States.
We can't let the people who backed Bush run their "Democratic" picks as an alternative to GOP rule. I would watch, in 2008 Kristol will back a Democratic frontrunner... just watch for it.
COMMENT #16 [Permalink]
said on 9/15/2005 @ 10:03 am PT...
Just read from the New York Times that Republicans said Karl Rove, Deputy Chief of Staff will be in charge of New Orleans reconstruction.
So it may be a little early to predict the end of Bush era. Can we wish for more kidney stones for Mr. Rove?
Honestly, if we could just get rid of Rove, Cheney, Rumsfeldt and leave Bush with some other handlers it might be doable for the next 3 years.
Bush could bike, nap, vacation read to children and we could bring the soldiers home, as Senator Byrd has said. We could begin making America strong and respected in the international world once more.
COMMENT #17 [Permalink]
said on 9/15/2005 @ 10:12 am PT...
Good luck left kooks - nothing has worked so far!
COMMENT #18 [Permalink]
said on 9/15/2005 @ 10:20 am PT...
At least we aren't rolling over, holding our ears and repeating "its not true, its not true, its not true."
COMMENT #19 [Permalink]
said on 9/15/2005 @ 10:23 am PT...
According to the E.J. Dionne article above, 4.1 million Americans slipped into poverty since 2001. How are Republican party politics helping to eliminate poverty? As for the Tim Chavez article, are you suggesting that the working poor of New Orleans are a bunch of dead weight? Many hard working people live below the poverty line. We know nothing about the two spanish speaking men in the article other than that they have cars. For all we know they live in them. Many working poor do. As far as the people of NO not being able to afford cars. Many people who live in cities choose not to own a car because it is easier and cheaper to use public transit. I did the same when I lived downtown. Unless you can get a cab or rent a car you would not be able to evacuate. My understanding is that cabs and rentals were virtually unavailable during the evacuation. The ones that were available were going at very high prices.
My church operates a "hand up" program. We currently have both of our guest rooms occupied by hard working poor. Both work over 50 hours a week. One is a teenaged girl who out grew the foster care system. The other is a middle aged women who lost her husband and her home to his long term illness.
This presidents next four years will be devoted to the thing he hates most. Helping the poor. God has a sense of humor...
COMMENT #20 [Permalink]
said on 9/15/2005 @ 10:38 am PT...
"Ding dong the witch is dead..."
Seriously, the day after election night last year, the President was up to his ears in "mandate" and "political capital."
It is now 10 months later... and he has become the laughingstock of the nation... and world... at least he would be if the disaster(s) wasn't(weren't) so serious.
Hats off to Brad and the gang! It looks like we will soon declare... "Mission Accomplished" (and actually mean it!)
I hope all those depressed liberals will return to the USA soon! (They moved to France, Japan and New Zealand not long after last year's elections.)
Take heart, all who care about our democracy. Tyrrany is coming to an end... finally... after 5 long years. And those who love freedom and democracy will begin our long reign of "Pax Americana."
Good economy, good high paying jobs, low inflation, improving and recovering environment and (FINALLY) an expanding middle class will return, if we have good leadership to replace the evils now occupying the White House.
Time now to throw out all the Bush apologists in Washington... left wingers, centrists, right wingers, Democrats, Republicans and Inpedandents alike.
Victory and freedom will come soon, everyone. Happy days will be back again and it will be "Morning in America" once again.
COMMENT #21 [Permalink]
said on 9/15/2005 @ 10:42 am PT...
Oops... I meant "Independants"... yes I really do know how to spell.
COMMENT #22 [Permalink]
said on 9/15/2005 @ 10:48 am PT...
Sojo, I think you hit the nail on the head. Corporatist interests are being kept fat and happy and in a political system dominated by corporatist money, that's all that matters.
The cynicism of the Rove move floors me, even though at this point nothing should floor me. It's a typical in your face move by Bush. And has he ever paid a political price for one of those? I don't think so. I don't think the Dem "leadership" or the media will ever go there.
It's all down to the grassroots. And in the end, maybe that's as it should be.
COMMENT #23 [Permalink]
said on 9/15/2005 @ 11:52 am PT...
This is the little note I sent to my local paper today:
"John Roberts must not be confirmed. This president does not have a mandate in any way, shape or form!
It has been reported that Congress routinely passes laws the details of which they do not read; will they now give a lifetime appointment to a man whose record shows him to be far to the right, but the details of which they have been barred from knowing?
This is madness: aka 'business as usual' in Washington.
America has lost its mind. And its soul."
Sent it, though I have very little hope that it will be printed, read, or listened to.
Brad, re "The End of the Bush Era"
I so want to believe that's true, so I fervently hope when you write
"...anything and everything could happen any day now..." that you know something I don't, such as that bush & co. are about to be indicted.
Right now it seems that the guiding philosophy in DC remains FELLATIO=IMPEACHMENT; GENOCIDE=FREE
Brad, thank you for everything you do. You & Winter Patriot remain at the top of my list of heroes.
COMMENT #24 [Permalink]
said on 9/15/2005 @ 11:54 am PT...
Passing Out The Pork --- as HCOCDR #10 says --- "If you give it away they will come, and bring their votes with them" !!! I have to agree.
Read all about the Trophy Bridge to Nowhere in Alaska --- one of the 2 bridges that garnered $454 million which was easily funded at the SAME TIME Louisiana was desperately trying to get $11 million to shore up their disintegrating levees --- bu$h begrudgingly gave them less than HALF of what they asked for.
A controversial Alaska project highlights the pork-barrel politics of transportation funding by Congress
[snip] In Ketchikan, Alaska, home to about 8,000 people, community leaders complain the town is suffering for lack of land for development. "This is a community that's choking on itself," says Blaine Ashcraft, business manager of the Ketchikan Chamber of Commerce. With tourists streaming in, Ketchikan's sights are fixed on building a bridge to nearby Gravina Island, home to 50 people, 1,800 acres of available timber in the Tongass National Forest, and the community's airport, accessible now by a seven-minute ferry ride.
being paid for in part by $223 million worth of designated funds, so-called earmarks, included in the $286.4 billion federal highway and mass transit bill getting wrapped up by Congress last week. Critics call it the Bridge to Nowhere, and cite it as a prime example of congressional pork. "It is an abomination," says Steve Ellis of Taxpayers for Common Sense, a fiscal watchdog group. But Alaska Rep. Don Young, chair of the Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure, earmarked the project as "high priority." He's not alone. Members of Congress stuffed the final legislation with more than 6,300 earmarks worth about $23 billion. "It's sort of like building highways by ransom," says Stephen Slivinski, a budget analyst at the libertarian Cato Institute. "They divide the spoils in exchange for a vote on the bill."
The Transportation Equity Act, long regarded as one of Washington's biggest porkfests, is a bipartisan favorite [snip]
Please, do not forget this travesty situation in Louisiana! TIME TO ROAST THE PORKERS.
Do ya think we should put lipstick on the pig before we BBQ it?
COMMENT #25 [Permalink]
said on 9/15/2005 @ 12:08 pm PT...
Well, this has me wondering who's on first.
CHERTOFF CREATED TERROR PRETEXTS FOR US POLICE STATE
Bush and Congress certainly should not have entrusted Chertoff with being the head of the Homeland Security Agency. Chertoff is a grave thread to the lives, welfare and freedoms of the American people.
Chertoff also helped write many of the controverisal portions of the PATRIOT Act and other new laws that even conservative Republicans believe are unecessary police state infringements of the Bill of Rights and Consititutional guarantees of US citizens
The New Yorker described Chertoff’s role in the 9-11 investigation on November 5, 2001:
“Since the September 11th terrorist attacks, Chertoff’s office has become the funnel for what is probably the most important criminal investigation in American history, as prosecutors and F.B.I. investigators pour in to seek the boss’s approval. …For day-to-day decisions, Chertoff has the last word…”
Chertoff and Porter Goss directly assisted Bush in keeping the 28 missing pages out of the 9-11 Congressional report. According to public statements by Senators Bob Graham and Richard Shelby, these 28 missing pages referred directly to the Saudi money, drug and arms trafficking ties to 9-11 and GW Bush.
---much more at linked article---
AND, oddly enough, the article links and discusses a column by Robert Novak, Unyielding Chertoff.
Does he still believe in unlimited privilege to withhold from Congress even information of criminal activity in the executive branch? Why did he block investigation of IRS harassment? Is there any validity to charges that he misused FBI mob resources in New Jersey?
COMMENT #26 [Permalink]
said on 9/15/2005 @ 12:21 pm PT...
Chertoff is also a dual-citizen of Israel.....That's where I remember the name Michael Chertoff now.
He was involved in the Iran-Contra debacle I heard about the whole thing...
He Chertoff is like Libby, he's a zionist. He belongs to the AEI(American Enterprise Institute) the PNAC groups.
They were there on 9/11. Hoo boy this just gets worse and worse....
Have seen that movie Manchurian Candidate. Dick Cheney is the ultimate Manchurian Candidate.
Some worldwide terrorist group is pulling all the strings, they have got Cheney under their thumb too.
I've heard it mentioned some kind of mafia coalition called the RUIM (Russian Ukraine Israeli Mafia) is behind the ultimate plot with Iran. State Department became over-run with these mafias and Clinton allowed numbers of them to be pardoned.
Mohammed Atta was allowed to run around and do his dirty work, not ignored. The Sibel Edmonds case exposes the whole network. A Nazi named Richard Thyssen, a dutch zionist in the Nederlands owns all of Browns Brother Harriman and the Union Bank. They also own Chase Manhatten. The sources have been traced back.
Thyssen is a friend of Margaret Thatcher of course, and paid off or bought Prescott Bush 50 years ago. Thyssen is still alive and controlling the banks, as well as owns the Bush family legacy. His Dutch forces including Allen Dulles put the squash on all investigations and were the ones who toasted BCCI.
I've never seen anything like them.....Thyssen belongs to the RUIM and meets regularly with figure-heads such as A.Q. Khan, Pakistan president. The mission of worldwide global monopolization is nothing less than their sole mission. And someone's got all the cards on this terrorist haven....
COMMENT #27 [Permalink]
said on 9/15/2005 @ 1:29 pm PT...
On Buzzflash it shows the tally of 54 Republican Senators votes on what went wrong with Hurricane Katrina....I think we should copy this and remember it come 2006
COMMENT #28 [Permalink]
said on 9/15/2005 @ 1:32 pm PT...
that would be buzzflash.com
COMMENT #29 [Permalink]
said on 9/15/2005 @ 1:40 pm PT...
The 'bush' era is over--now we can see the morphing of bush into the role of a Tragic Figure to get the sympathy vote.
Revalations of mistreatment, neglect and beatings as a child, perhaps some sexual misconduct by one or more of his parents which drove him, at a later age, to a life of drink and dissipation.
Saddam was not hated because "...he tried to kill my dad", but because he failed. 'bush' will cry for help and understanding and pray for foregiveness.
He will claim he is not the addictive sadistic narcissitic personality person some think he is, he is just misunderstood. It's not his fault he was born a 'bush' -a curse if there ever was one.
His mother like Ma Barker married a george and had four sons. A life of crime is all they know. It's in their genes--Hallalooo.
Don't think he cannot pull it off, Rove has the formula.
COMMENT #30 [Permalink]
said on 9/15/2005 @ 1:55 pm PT...
Oh my God!
After a rather benign opening #1 comment the real zinnger in #6.
A duel citizen of Israel, AND a Zionist!!!!
How many times have we seen that formula? Nothing like weaving a bit of the Anti Jew into the thread.
Hay Brad, how about that? It's your reputation that is being slammed!
COMMENT #31 [Permalink]
said on 9/15/2005 @ 2:16 pm PT...
Cole --- don't you think we should expose criminal intent no matter who's doing it? I mean --- just because I have a certain ethnic background, should I be offended if dishonest/criminal people of my ethnic background are pointed out for being crooks? example --- I share some ethnic background with bu$h and some religious similarities as well --- but I don't want him protected from exposure.
Now --- I hope I understood your concerns. If not, please clarify for me.
COMMENT #32 [Permalink]
said on 9/15/2005 @ 2:25 pm PT...
COLE, it has nothing to do with being anti-jewish. There is a real formula for what a zionist is and isn't, and most of the real zionists at least the ones that I know about aren't jewish.
They think they're jewish or they wear a disguise and wrap it up in a holy blanket. But that's not what any of it is about in truth so I don't see what you mean. Real anti-semitics are the zionists who play that card and wear the disguise. You have alot of history you haven't read, don't you?
COMMENT #33 [Permalink]
said on 9/15/2005 @ 4:03 pm PT...
COMMENT #34 [Permalink]
said on 9/15/2005 @ 5:04 pm PT...
Hi BB2. I found this before I saw your link to the talking points. As it turns out, it's relevant to #33. Some of the other "rules" are absolutely text-book descriptions of the behavior of various "trolls" on BB. Enjoy! I'm going to print this out, and put it up next to my computer monitor. VG
Twenty-Five Rules of Disinformation
11. Establish and rely upon fall-back positions. Using a minor matter or element of the facts, take the "high road" and "confess" with candor that some innocent mistake, in hindsight, was made --- but that opponents have seized on the opportunity to blow it all out of proportion and imply greater criminalities which, "just isn't so." Others can reinforce this on your behalf, later. Done properly, this can garner sympathy and respect for "coming clean" and "owning up" to your mistakes without addressing more serious issues.
----more at link---
COMMENT #35 [Permalink]
said on 9/15/2005 @ 5:15 pm PT...
Just a bit more on Chertoff:
9/11 AND CHERTOFF: COUSIN WROTE 9/11 PROPAGANDA FOR Popular Mechanics
But the March 2005 issue of Popular Mechanics (PM) plumbs new depths of nepotism and Hearst-style "yellow journalism" with its cover story about 9/11. PM's senior researcher, 25-year-old Benjamin Chertoff, authored a propagandistic cover story entitled "Debunking 9/11 Lies" which seeks to discredit all independent 9/11 research that challenges the official version of events.
Chertoff said he was the "senior researcher" of the piece. When asked if he was related to Michael Chertoff, he said, "I don't know." Clearly uncomfortable about discussing the matter further, he told me that all questions about the article should be put to the publicist – the one who never answers the phone.
Benjamin's mother in Pelham, New York, however, was more willing to talk. Asked if Benjamin was related to the new Secretary of Homeland Security, Judy said, "Yes, of course, he is a cousin."
------------more at link----
I certainly can't see anything *else* in Benjamin Chertoff's "resume" that would qualify him to write the "story" debunking "conspiracy theories" about 9-11!
Benjamin Chertoff resume
COMMENT #36 [Permalink]
said on 9/15/2005 @ 5:32 pm PT...
You must not be reading the dribble from those fingertips cited.
For example how does DE know Certoff has a dual citizenship and if he does what does that mean?
Is that proof of 'criminal intent'? Do you regard DE's constant antagonistic comments at which he attacks Israel as "Proof" of criminality.
And what "Criminality" has DE in his multitude of Comments shown proof of? If you read these threads, and I assume you do then you must notice that 50% or more of DE's comments are directed at Jews, Israel, or Zionism or all of the above.
#32 I do not know what "Zionists you know" refers to. As you seem to know a bunch it would be nice to have them better identified. What is the "formula" you mention?
But if you are referring to those who belong to a radical sect of Christianity who yearn for Armageddon as Zionist I think you miss the mark by several miles-those folks do not want a "Homeland" for Jews they want to fill a many centuries old prophecy in order to reap a reward for themselves and death to all others.
In that Armageddon, Jews will convert or die---sounds a bit like a replay of Spanish Inquisition.
That is not Zionism.
Kira, I cannot believe you actually read DE's rants, but if you do please explain what he means
by:..."owns the Bush family legacy", in referring to Thyssen, whoever that is. DE basically rants and makes baseless charges. Such as: "---Some worldwide terrorist group is pulling all the strings, they have got Cheney under their thumb too."
I'm usually very open to anything Anti-Cheney but I would like to be able to think it does not sound goofy.
At any rate, I try to ignore DE and his apolgists but from time to time I will point out his anti Jewish writing and his mediocraty. If that offends you? I can only say "I do not know what I would do if I were in your shoes".
COMMENT #37 [Permalink]
said on 9/15/2005 @ 5:33 pm PT...
"...the likes of Cole"
COMMENT #38 [Permalink]
said on 9/15/2005 @ 5:43 pm PT...
Texaslady #20 --- you're so cool!
COMMENT #39 [Permalink]
said on 9/15/2005 @ 6:25 pm PT...
I admit I'm not up to speed with you guys on this topic. Doug E. --- would you provide me with a couple of links that explain what you've been talking about? Thx.
I have heard, though, from some people I know that this subject is very volatile and shuts down lots of conversations.
Anyway --- I'll try to make time to study up so I can understand what's what.
COMMENT #40 [Permalink]
said on 9/15/2005 @ 10:30 pm PT...
Cole, actually I think you have it backwards. History records that jewish societies are rooted outside of Israel and are not really the formula for a Zionist world society.
Many so called Jewish taliban groups are not even really jewish and come from outside the country, in many different nationalities and further do not represent the jewish world view.
This documentary and various articles have been explained numerous times over, and it would be advisable for someone such as you to get up to speed on what it is before talking about it.
A History of Zionism, colonial overview and culture
Apart from this mesopotamia of world views many real Zionist leaders helped the Nazis actually wipe out the Jews and other Puritans as a result of their belief systems for subversion.
Many of these so called shadow-organizations have been researched and documented by criminal law enforcement, including former heads of the department of justice.
Here is one such finding by a Justice Department prosecutor tracking Nazi war crimes and the industrial bank.
Just to be clear so no one automatically assumes they know their facts.
COMMENT #41 [Permalink]
said on 9/15/2005 @ 10:41 pm PT...
COMMENT #42 [Permalink]
said on 9/15/2005 @ 11:19 pm PT...
Thank you for the specific link. Sometimes it's hard to find a particular article if only the general source it linked.
I have been following this theme of discussion on other threads in BB, and there is further info from those threads, which apparently not *all* (BTW I don't mean you) have read. It is hard to keep up with comments on all of the threads, though.
I had found some sites discussing the issues raised in your #41 link, but none of them set things out as clearly. The links provided by BB comments/ commenters have provided me with a great education. That's not to say that I weigh them all equally, but I do appreciate good leads when they come along. Thanks for yours. It is all too easy think in simple terms, and use simple knee-jerk labels as talking points, polarizing points, whatever the issue. If we are ever going to get out of the mess we are in, we need to understand the complexities.
Sorry if this sounds obscure, but I'm trying not to heat things up too very much. Hope you understand.
COMMENT #43 [Permalink]
said on 9/16/2005 @ 5:35 am PT...
Thanks Peggy - but it is true...the supporters just can't even listen to the truth..can't believe their saviour is walking on sand and lies.
Keith Olbermann, said last night that while 2 hospitals were out of power and 3rd on limited power Cheney's office made 2 phone calls to the power company STRONGLEY urging that the pipleline taking gas and oil out of the Parrish be kept fully operational. Uh did anyone get a price break on gas that week..we didn't.
Remember Cheney is the one who authorized BEFORE the people were rescued from New Orleans a contract for Halliburton to rebuild 3 Naval Bases.
Boy that Cheney always looking out for the little people.
COMMENT #44 [Permalink]
said on 9/16/2005 @ 9:58 am PT...
You mention Ralph Schoenman--put him in your browser and see who your champion is . He is described in one item as: ------Well-known for his paranoid world view and diatribes against Israel and the United States, he told his audience that Jews dominated the slave trade, Zionists collaborated with the Nazis to create the Holocaust and Israel is an apartheid state where Palestinians are the true Jews. Incendiary flyers called for united efforts to crush Zionism.
The shit get deeper. but thanks for the lesson.
COMMENT #45 [Permalink]
said on 9/16/2005 @ 10:05 am PT...
What happened to my #44 reply? It was there and the thread calls for 44 replies, yet only 43 are now present?
Extracted in toto? How neat.
COMMENT #46 [Permalink]
said on 9/16/2005 @ 10:38 am PT...
Now it's back! Magic.
But since I am here: Use of religeon/ race/ gender/ etc to set the stage for degrading an idividual or groups' stature in prelude to "exposing" them as 'unsavory' or 'criminal' 'etc' is nothing new.
In the context of this exchange linking someone with Jewishness, Zionist, Israel is just a code, it calls to the reader to nod in affirmation of the charge(s) which will follow. It works and some, like DE use it relentlessly.
Some, like #40 will build from that to spread an even wider smear, using obtuse writtings and atricles to support their cause.
I'm not going to change any minds here. Those who are Anti---whaterver---have been that way from childhood and are content to be the way they are.
That does not mean that they should go on --unexposed. Know it well, your AntiJewish positions are exposed by your very words, I will just highlight that whenever---.
These Bradblogs have become a forum for those who hide behind token "Liberalism/Democratic" expressions to voice views, actually to revoice views, used so well in the 1930's Germany.
Sorry, Brad---you are being taken over. Unless, of course, you agree with them.
COMMENT #47 [Permalink]
said on 9/16/2005 @ 10:55 am PT...
When is everyone going to realize most people want the same thing, a clean environment, good schools for our kids, a decent job and a government that still remembers what a democratic government is suppose to do?
No matter what your culture is, your race, your religion those basics affect all of us. And the abuse of those basics affect all of us, no matter what your income, race, culture or religion.
So stop with the stupid labeling.
COMMENT #48 [Permalink]
said on 9/16/2005 @ 2:46 pm PT...
Again Cole, my purpose was to get you predominantly educated on the facts not change your mind of things.
Again, as it has repeatedly been stressed this to me over years of study is not a semitic issue, I repeat not semitic.
And what it seems to me that has been happening, is most americans treat it as a semitic issue or drop it because they're afraid of the consequences.
That most certainly is a mistake. There is more than enough evidence to show that, this zionist world leadership is for the most part a dangerous group of elites who are "non-jewish" I repeat, not defined as jews. They have in many instances been mistaken for jews or semitics when in fact most of them do not even come from the same country.
I think more importantly, the issue at hand is the belief system in which these people betrayed the jewish and their pastors. They all have since proceeded to fly under that acronym, which has given exscuses for the anti-jews, racists and zionists themselves to declare genocides.
COMMENT #49 [Permalink]
said on 9/16/2005 @ 3:45 pm PT...
Running Free---thank you for your attempt to 'educate'. Your 'years' of study are ...what? and in what field? You are free to lay out your educational background and whatever pertenant information you have to back that up, i.e. universities attended, degrees earned etc.
Are you trying to say that "World Domination"is a function of dangerous elites so you are going to define them as 'Zionists'? Who have nothing to do with Judaism? So why are you defending the link?
And why call them Zionists if the intent is not to deceive? Why toss in Ralph Schoenman as your 'expert'?--The Hidden History of Zionism, as your 'educational' prop?
Zionism has a meaning. Use it properly or suffer the consequences of being labeled-Antisemitic-.
A horse is a horse and a cookie is a cookie. Call a cookie a horse it still won't giddyup. Your cookie is crumbs.
I have an idea --don't educate--change the words to fit. Start with "The Hidden History of Elites Bent on World Wide Domination"
And stop with the bullshit word games.
COMMENT #50 [Permalink]
said on 9/16/2005 @ 4:09 pm PT...
Texas Lady #47
Unfortunately there are those who are obsessed with hatred and anger in whom those thoughts are obscured and the look is for an easy outlet.
I have always associated the thoughts you wrote with liberal, progressive, democratic ideals which do not mix well with the oil of domination, greed, 'have mores' i.e. of republican ideology.
It is bad enough to see these threads permeated by right wing Trolls but damn awful to know that Trolls come also from the left, posing perhaps but none the less venomous.
COMMENT #51 [Permalink]
said on 9/16/2005 @ 4:39 pm PT...
Sometimes I have to "refresh" the page before I can see the comments I have just posted. If you didn't see them and then submitted a comment (without refreshing first) it might seem that your first comment magically re-appeared.
I don't know exactly why it happens sometimes and not others, I just know I've had the same experience.
BTW - I hope I haven't offended you in any way, because I certainly didn't mean to.
COMMENT #52 [Permalink]
said on 9/16/2005 @ 6:00 pm PT...
Thanks for the info.
No, you have not offended me. Kira, I truely value your writings and your comments and I thank you for this responce.
Actually, I am not offended by any of the writings Trolls included--some cannot help being what and who they are. We are all molded by our experiences, education (or lack thereof), training and some of us are lucky enough to recognise our rough edges and smooth them out, some do not.
But isn't this what this Blog is all about? Expressing ourself and by doing so sanding down our own abrasive points and perhaps influencing others to do the same?
COMMENT #53 [Permalink]
A Concerned Citizen
said on 9/16/2005 @ 6:24 pm PT...
COMMENT #54 [Permalink]
A Concerned Citizen
said on 9/16/2005 @ 6:29 pm PT...
COMMENT #55 [Permalink]
said on 9/16/2005 @ 7:24 pm PT...
Hi Concerned Citizen #54
I think it just dawned on my why sometimes links get screwy when using the Community Assistant.
They have to be complete with http://
If we put in an address that leaves out the http:// part it will link to
https://bradblog.com/archives/www.whatever and that's a nowhere link.
Hope that helps for future reference!
PS I sure do enjoy reading your posts and I'm glad you're here.
COMMENT #56 [Permalink]
said on 9/16/2005 @ 7:28 pm PT...
Yes ... I know I need the dialogue practice to help sand down my rough spots! I also learn so much from the information shared here. (Mean & Nasty trolls are encouraged to give this a try, too.)
Thanks so much for your input! I feel blessed being a part of this group of caring individuals.
COMMENT #57 [Permalink]
said on 9/16/2005 @ 7:32 pm PT...
To clarify my #55
If we leave out the http:// part when pasting into the CA link maker - it will automatically fill in with https://bradblog.com/archives in front of the address pasted in that starts with www.
Is that more clear?
COMMENT #58 [Permalink]
said on 9/16/2005 @ 7:51 pm PT...
So happy the summit is on my hometown of Portland, will be there. NOTHING happens until we clean up the cesspool the election process has become. Cheating trumps everything! The public attention span is too short to let it sink in. Thanks for coming Brad, Client, Jesse, eta l!!!
COMMENT #59 [Permalink]
said on 9/16/2005 @ 8:59 pm PT...
To clarify what someone kept bringing up earlier, I think it is very easy to confuse zionists with jews and start using them as the same term.
However the same can be said about nazis and whites, that just because they are white they are nazis.
It's fairly obvious to see, based on sources like Hopsicker,(and not Alex Jones)that there is a certain union of zionist world dictators who allign themselves with the nazis. In fact, this has been going on for dozens of years since back during the building of rome.
But, these false patriarchs are very dangerous and especially if given in the context of 9/11. If there really was a conspiracy by these world zionists, to betray the jews and the arabs and cause a massive uprising in the united states....with the help of the CIA no doubt. If this really did happen, just as we prosecuted the spies in the AIPAC case than we are in greater danger than anyone can fathom.
If these individuals have plotted this for a long time, then our whole collective better be prepared to stop this insanity and head it off. We can not ever be so trusting of one another, after knowing what kind of world men and greed will create for us.
COMMENT #60 [Permalink]
A Concerned Citizen
said on 9/17/2005 @ 4:51 am PT...
Kira - thanks for the info!! That's exactly what it did and I'll know next time, thank you so much. I wanted to ask....but was afraid lol. Yes, most people here are very nice and the rest I guess you just try to slide past and ignore, right?
Tenacious - I'm confused (I admit that's easily done). Are your beliefs confirming the info about the Nazi ties, or denying them? I'm still wondering if they're true.... Maybe you're wondering still if true?
COMMENT #61 [Permalink]
said on 9/17/2005 @ 8:43 am PT...
Who said this? Not our President? The nerve.
""When the streets are rebuilt, there should be many new businesses, including minority-owned businesses, along those streets. When the houses are rebuilt, more families should own, not rent, those houses. When the regional economy revives, local people should be prepared for the jobs being created. Americans want the Gulf Coast not just to survive, but to thrive, not just to cope, but to overcome. We want evacuees to come home for the best of reasons, because they have a real chance at a better life in a place they love.""
After the speech ended, ABC provided a scene of wonderful high comedy, with reporter Dean Reynolds interviewing evacuees outside the Astrodome and repeatedly getting the "wrong" answers delivered in the almost musical accent of black New Orleans. Do you think the President was sincere? "Yes." Did you hear anything you didn't believe? "No, I didn't." One woman not only declined to criticize the President, she forcefully argued that state and local authorities deserve the lion's share of the blame for not acting long before the feds could be expected to arrive, invoking the famous unused buses.""
Poor Reynolds, caught in a white liberal nightmare where the black people refuse to follow the script. But it's no surprise that Bush won the evacuees over. It was, as one woman put it, "a well fine speech."
COMMENT #62 [Permalink]
said on 9/17/2005 @ 11:41 am PT...
Gee, sounds good --- but just WHICH families does geedub have in mind who will OWN those houses? I guess time will tell but I doubt you'll see many of the evacuees living in the New & Improved New Orleans.
COMMENT #63 [Permalink]
said on 9/17/2005 @ 7:32 pm PT...
Don't know about you but I am not confused.
Every dictionary I look in defines Zionism quick clearly. Not with the muck being dredged up by various others, whose intent is 'clearly' to mislead and misdirect.
If there is confusion in your mind it is because of a repeated and continuous lie. Very similar to the bush lie(s) where he speaks of Al Quida and Iraq (WMD) and terrorism in the same sentence--. And that lie is to first talk of someone and identify them as Israeli, Jewish, Zionist and then to make a charge of bad behavior or criminality.
To help stem your confusion--Zion is a hill in Jerusalem. You can read the rest in any dictionary yourself. Need help, let me know.
If others are confused it is because of the constant drumbeat by those whose motives are to confuse by trying to link Zionism with criminality.
It is not--not---the same as linking nazis with whites. Simply because no one is doing that.
Please povide a list of 'Zionist world dictators" who align themseves with nazis.
COMMENT #64 [Permalink]
said on 9/17/2005 @ 9:21 pm PT...
Trolls from the Right---aside!
Another set of Trolls is playing these Threads like a string from a fine Guitar.
COMMENT #65 [Permalink]
said on 9/18/2005 @ 6:11 am PT...
As JFK would have pronounced it, may this sad excuse of an administration be the "end of an error."
COMMENT #66 [Permalink]
A Concerned Citizen
said on 9/18/2005 @ 12:26 pm PT...
I agree with Kira - who will be living in those areas where everything will be built brand new. More than 60% of residents were renting those older homes in a lot of areas. They won't be able to afford the rent of brand new houses.
COMMENT #67 [Permalink]
said on 9/19/2005 @ 8:41 am PT...
Yes Bush made a mistake with regards to Katrina. His mistake was thinking that the people in charge in Louisiana (mayor and governor) knew what they were doing. Keep this in mind, the buck starts at the bottom and it is the duty of FEMA to ASSIST the state governament in case of an emergency.
Just in case you are not aware of this Louisiana has a
Governor - Democrat
Lt. Governor - Democrat
Attorney General - Democrat
NO Mayor - Democrat
NO City Council - Democrat
NO Chief of Police - Democrat
24 of 39 Louisiana Senators - Democrat
67 0f 105 Louisiana Representatives - Democrat
1 of 2 US Senators - Democrat
COMMENT #68 [Permalink]
said on 9/19/2005 @ 1:15 pm PT...
Sharlene, another vapid bu$h apologist, hasn't bothered to read documented facts or a real timeline of the events. Don't look for documented facts from Fox News or from other known liars. If you want the truth, you have to look for it. If you rely on known liars for your information, then you either haven't researched enough to know they are known liars, or you are too brainwashed to be able to see the truth, or you are part of a group who thinks lying is ok whenever it supports your club.
Here are just a couple of links:
The Response to Katrina
"Fox Facts" Just more of that tired old White House Spin!
COMMENT #69 [Permalink]
said on 9/19/2005 @ 2:13 pm PT...
What documented facts are you talking about? I was born and raised in Louisiana and spent 49 of my 67 years in Louisiana and 12 of those years was spent in the New Orleans area. I have lived this corruption in all those years. I go back to the Earl Long days.
COMMENT #70 [Permalink]
said on 9/19/2005 @ 2:50 pm PT...
COMMENT #71 [Permalink]
said on 9/19/2005 @ 5:32 pm PT...
Congradulations on the wise choice of living in LA with such wide Democratic representation.
There was corruption in the Huey Long days and in his younger bothers days and a lot of it went to the benefit of LA citizens, like Free lunch for kids, Vocational school system, equal pay for white and black teachers, highway construction, old age assistance.
If those be corruption let's get the same snake to bite george.
COMMENT #72 [Permalink]
said on 9/19/2005 @ 7:38 pm PT...
Yes, quite a few of those good Democrats of the past are getting free room and board now.
COMMENT #73 [Permalink]
said on 9/22/2005 @ 10:42 pm PT...
There are good and corrupt in both parties. The pentagon has lost 2 trillion since bush got in. 8 billion lost in Iraq. The money spent on the Iraq war can't be accounted for. 100 billion. Now if some of that money was spent on health care education housing...would that be a problem? Or allowing the people to have good jobs instead of giving tax incentives to corporations to move offshore. Surely you trolls could benefit with a little of your tax dollars helping people...not just a few republicans.
COMMENT #74 [Permalink]
said on 9/24/2005 @ 8:27 am PT...
Molly, I think you are wright about how money is needed for health care, and education too. But now we have other things we need to think about. huricanee Katrina and hurican Rita. Iam still confused on where all the money is comeing from to fund the War on Terrorism and the huricane damage(s). Iam one who focuses on whats going on now.. not in the long run... So i dont mean to be rude.. but maybe these things are a tad more important than the health care and education, FOR NOW.. not forever. Now I am 14... and have a growing knowledge in politics. But I beleive the Soilders in Iraq and the damage down soulth needs to come first for now...