READER COMMENTS ON
"CHRIS FLOYD --- Grease Monkeys: The Speaker, The Spigot and the Slitherer-in-Chief"
(19 Responses so far...)
COMMENT #1 [Permalink]
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Winter Patriot
said on 8/12/2005 @ 10:23 pm PT...
Thanks, Chris! You rock!!
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Joan
said on 8/13/2005 @ 6:35 am PT...
Jesus God. Not that any of the above is a surprise, but it just makes me want to puke. Yet again. Do we really have a chance in hell of changing ANYTHING??
Thank you, Chris! for scraping a bit of the muck off of our slime-encrusted lawmakers' glass house & letting in a sliver of light.
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Peggy
said on 8/13/2005 @ 7:13 am PT...
I think one solution, which cannot make matters worse, is to vote in new people like Cobb, the green party, Nader, independents, whoever. The current "professional" political personas ARE THE PROBLEM. Get rid of them ALL, except John Conyers and those like him who have stood up unequivocably for democracy and ALL Americans...without exception, the rest have to go: the Bushes and the Clintons, the Delays and the Kerry's, the McCains and any useless Democrats --- every last one of them who have been there for many, many years too long!
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Peggy
said on 8/13/2005 @ 7:16 am PT...
P.S. Brad Friendman for Congress! WHY THE HELL NOT??? He's working his butt off trying to help fix these serious problems from the outside --- may as well put him on the inside --- would be nice to also put others like him in Congress --- maybe positive progress can then be made.
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Peggy
said on 8/13/2005 @ 7:27 am PT...
Sorry, I am rattling on like this --- but ---:
So far, good Americans have been working on these problems from the bottom up, within their own communities and areas of expertise --- and I whole-heartedly agree.
But in view of the upcoming 2006 elections, now is the time for a "top down" overview and review of all the congressional and senatorial seat holders. Are we talking about 500-600 people? And how many races will there be in 2006?
But it is time to list all seat-holders names and their accomplishments during their time-period in office --- the good, the bad, and the ugly. It's time to compile the facts on these people and determine if you want them to stay in, or do you want them OUT. It's time to find replacements for the corrupt, Repubs. wearing Democratic hats and the useless. It's time to OUT these people in writing before elections. It's time to fight the notion that the Democratic party is the ONLY VIABLE option to the Republican Party. It's time to consider what Congress would look like with 50-70% independents or new-comers to the political scenario, and fight the false assertion and illusion that this would be bad for the country. Time for radical change --- a new broom that sweeps clean.
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Catherine a
said on 8/13/2005 @ 8:54 am PT...
Peggy,
If we focus on who gets elected, but fail to change the internal system on how legislation is made (e.g. how the legislators' will is overturned by Rules Committee and Conference Committee), then we'll have accomplished little. Even if we got Brad elected.
See this explanation and linked article to see what we're up against and possible solutions.
Info in this article is particularly relevant to Chris Floyd's comments re: Speaker of the House.
Most people are unaware of these legal channels for abuse of power within Congress. We have to make sure more people find out about it, and speak out so that this behavior is no longer acceptable.
And we must reform campaign financing laws, starting at LOCAL level. (The status quo will effectively prevent change at the national level, due to the present situation in how national legislation is made as per the Rolling Stones expose synopsized in the above link.)
COMMENT #7 [Permalink]
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Nana
said on 8/13/2005 @ 9:08 am PT...
Peggy
I like the idea of a 'new broom' a lot! But how? I have zip for confidence in the election system. None in the accuracy, none in the integrity. My vote does not count, and will not until this broken system is fixed some how.
COMMENT #8 [Permalink]
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Catherine a
said on 8/13/2005 @ 9:50 am PT...
Peggy,
If we focus on who gets elected, but fail to change the internal system on how legislation is made (e.g. how the legislators' will is overturned by Rules Committee and Conference Committee), then we'll have accomplished little. Even if we got Brad elected.
See this explanation and linked article to see what we're up against and possible solutions.
Info in this article is particularly relevant to Chris Floyd's comments re: Speaker of the House.
Most people are unaware of these legal channels for abuse of power within Congress. We have to make sure more people find out about it, and speak out so that this behavior is no longer acceptable.
And we must reform campaign financing laws, starting at LOCAL level. (The status quo will effectively prevent change at the national level, due to the present situation in how national legislation is made as per the Rollings Stones expose.)
COMMENT #9 [Permalink]
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Catherine a
said on 8/13/2005 @ 9:52 am PT...
Oops, sorry I posted that twice.
COMMENT #10 [Permalink]
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Kira
said on 8/13/2005 @ 11:59 am PT...
Wow - another excellent article by Chris Floyd! Thanks, Chris (& thanks WP for posting it!)
All good points, Catherine A. --- I'm feeling a little bit hopeless at this point that anything can change --- period. The Thugs are in control!!!
Well --- we can't give up. It is so disturbing that we are working for change in an environment that has lost its checks & balances, but hopefully we are making some headway chipping away at the brick wall with our plastic spoons.
COMMENT #11 [Permalink]
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Catherine a
said on 8/13/2005 @ 12:49 pm PT...
Kira #10
It just means that we'll each have to take more personal responsibility if we wish to regain/retain democracy.
Someone else has pointed out to me that it may be useful to focus on local-level actions. Creating small-scale change in our own backyard is empowering, encourages others, and will create the necessary foundation for change at larger levels. Without the local-level preparations, there will be no foundation on which to build.
And all change begins at home (whether it's "Peace," "Justice," "Tolerance" etc.). (And doing this literally "at home" is often the biggest challenge of all.)
If we can begin by asking questions of our own local election officials, getting articles in our own local media, occasionally doing something to raise local awareness (e.g. Whispering Campaign actions at a local shopping center)--these seemingly "small" actions are perhaps the most important actions of all.
Change IS possible, and it is up to us to create it. No short-cuts. No sitting back and expecting someone else to do it. (I know you know this, Kira--this isn't addressed at you personally, these are just musings in response to what you expressed.)
P.S. Kira - you inspire many people with your encouraging words and your sharing of a wide range of resources (e.g., the Yurica Report). Thanks for being so generous with so much Good Stuff.
COMMENT #12 [Permalink]
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Chris Floyd
said on 8/13/2005 @ 4:05 pm PT...
These are all good comments; not much I can add at this point except thanks for reading and commenting on the piece. I agree with Catherine A that the main problem is the system itself is a form of legalized bribery. In a real sense, the problem is not that our system of government has been corrupted; it's that it is functioning all too well. Corruption IS the system; it is designed to favor the powerful and well-connected.
As the country itself has grown bigger and more powerful over the years, so too have the elite interests. Whereas in the early days of the Republic, their sway was perhaps not as great --- because, with the more primitive systems of transportation and communication, it was simply physically impossible for them to assert their presence and dominance everywhere, all the time, leaving more space for various enclaves of more genuine democracy to thrive --- now of course the elites can increase their already dominant position by several magnitudes with the aid of technology. Likewise, the political machines that serve the elite interests can strike more rapidly, more deeply, more pervasively and more relentlessly with the aid of modern technology. And as technological development accelerates, so does the capability for further dominance by the already-powerful.
Of course, technology can also be used against them --- our conversation on this blog being a prime example. I'm not criticizing technology per se here; it's neutral, and the internet, for instance, can be used for anything from helping the poor or disseminating vital medical knowledge to coordinating terrorist attacks or spreading vile propaganda. The point I'm trying to make (badly, I fear) is that the entrenched, elite interests who have set up our system of government by corruption, for corruption and of corruption are far more powerful today than they have ever been.
Greed is endemic to human nature, and infects all human societies. But few socities have ever enshrined greed as the ultimate value, the primary determinant of human worth, as our has. This has always been true of us, but it has certainly intensified to an alarming degree over the past 50 years, and seems to be reaching a peak of hysterical intensity today.
I don't know what the answer is to this situation. I don't know how we can get things back down to a more human scale. We are now at the mercy of gargantuan forces – economically, politically, militarily, etc.; inhumanity and corruption are built into such a system. It rewards those who operate without morals or concern for the actual lives of actual individuals. It rewards aggression and inhumanity. And those rewards are now unimaginably great.
But yes, it is good to pursue action on any level – local office-holders, activist campaigns ,etc. – to put better people in office, get better policies in place, and so on. As Noam Chomsky has noted, even the slightest mitigation of such powerful systems can make an enormous difference in individual lives. Perhaps that's all we can hope for at the moment: mitigation of the worst consequences of the system.
COMMENT #13 [Permalink]
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Arry
said on 8/13/2005 @ 6:52 pm PT...
Agree with Chris and others about the pervasiveness, centrality, and gargantuan nature of the beast.
I hope that we can do much more than mitigate the worst consequences of the system, however, because the earth cannot sustain just shifting into a lower gear in the trajectory toward disaster.
I think we have to realize that work has to be done on many levels. I believe the local action may be our saving grace if we work hard now and build the foundation of a sustainable and democratic culture that can survive and nourish human potential in the 21st century. In our work, in our building, intention is of primary importance - which means acting outside of corruption and legalized bribery which sustains the current system. A clear intention of survival and moral enrichment is necessary.
This is not to say that we shouldn't act on a national and global scale, also. It's a matter if bringing it all in - local initiatives, local economies, elections on all levels, the struggle to replace corporate "government" by civil government, and so on --- bringing it all in to the orbit of our focused intention. A strong intention is like a magnet for knowledge and creative action.
Nice words, huh? How do you bring it together?
I don't know, but a couple of thoughts about it.
-- I think we tend to think in terms of what we have done or know how to do, and when all paths seem blocked in those terms, we edge toward despair. We should rather think of progressive levels of necessary change and what is should be done from the standpoint of our intention and a deep and tangible involvement in the moment - rather than from our own internal "conventional wisdom" and level of comfort.
-- We need to realize that the necessary revolution is a moral revolution at its core. Frankly, I don't see any way out without including a very Gandhian change in the way we think and act. And we have to relate our moral imperative to the levels of change necessary. That will probably involve leadership and community of a very powerful and deep nature.
This is all to say that I believe we are in for a major spiritual, intellectual, and material revolution and realignment and a new morally enriched politics (including "statemanship") that uses the current state of social, political, cultural life as raw material to advance to levels of culture and community (step-by-step) that can sustain life in the coming years, decades, centuries.
Honestly, as someone who identified the central role of corporate/government corruption, injustice, crime, and violence many years ago - mainly through the vector of the Vietnam War - I've had to battle despair for many years, but I came to the conclusion some time ago that my viewpoint wasn't wide enough - It didn't take in enough. It wasn't expansive enough.
A lot of philosophical kind of talk here, but please think about it and how it can be applied practically - that's the best part of it -and above all, keep the faith! Always.
COMMENT #14 [Permalink]
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Arry
said on 8/13/2005 @ 7:56 pm PT...
My obligatory typo - "We should rather think of progressive levels of necessary change and what is should be done from the standpoint of our intention and a deep and tangible involvement in the moment..."
Should be "...what should be done..."
COMMENT #15 [Permalink]
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Arry
said on 8/13/2005 @ 8:10 pm PT...
And Chris - I very much appreciate your fine essays that always discard the chaff and get to the kernel of the truth. Words for our time.
Thanks.
COMMENT #16 [Permalink]
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Arry
said on 8/14/2005 @ 9:44 am PT...
So...what was "organic food" called 75 years ago?
Food.
Stupid quote: "I've always thought that underpopulated countries in Africa are vastly underpolluted." - Lawrence Summers, chief economist of the World Bank, now president of Harvard discussing export of toxic waste.
What a quintessential statement from a trained economist!
Irrelevant to this thread, I guess. Just a couple of funny (?) things to lighten up. I hope my heavy musings didn't stop this thread in its tracks. Damn.
COMMENT #17 [Permalink]
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Joan
said on 8/14/2005 @ 11:38 am PT...
Thank you for your thoughts, Arry. You articulate the situation well. Chris also, of course.
I try not to succumb to despair because I know it goes nowhere, builds nothing. I find comfort & much inspiration here.
The Whispering Campaign is a wonderful, useful vehicle. Many thanks to Winter Patriot. There's so much great stuff on there now!
And my damn printer up & died two days ago, gotta replace it.
The Whispering Campaign is easy to do, takes just a tiny bit of chutzpah (for me, anyway), is not very costly but is eminently practical.
http://psstpsstpsst.blogspot.com/
I especially appreciate it right now because I am in a kind of burnout relating to writing & emailing journalists & editors & lawmakers, most of whom don't respond & perhaps don't even read them.
I'm sure it's temporary (my little burnout, I mean) since I can never keep my mouth shut for long.
Best wishes to Brad, wherever he be!
COMMENT #18 [Permalink]
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Arry
said on 8/14/2005 @ 7:09 pm PT...
Some quotations from the fine 2nd chapter of Cornel West's book "Democracy Matters" very relevant to the subject of Chris's piece. (Chapter entitled "Nihilism in America")
Mr. West is has been speaking of the pervasive nihilism in our culture as market forces have displaced principles of the republic: "The flip side of the nihilism of despair is this nihilism of the unprincipled abuse of power. When the lack of belief in the power of principles prevails, the void is filled by the will to power of the market, by the drive to succeed at the cost of others rather than the drive to decency and integrity." Nihilism in the form of despair *and* in the form of abuse of power is what we have to fight. It's the same coin.
Another quotation from the chapter: "Market-obsessed nihilism - the corporation as the embodiment of absolute will - is the Achilles' heel of American democracy that parades as its crown jewel." Alas!
Fighting nihilism is the healthiest and most useful personal and political thing we can do, IMO. (It is one of the reasons I am always talking about moral principles - which is what West is really talking about when he speaks of "principles".)
COMMENT #19 [Permalink]
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Winter Patriot
said on 8/14/2005 @ 9:10 pm PT...
Arry #16
You're quite right about most of the things you said there, in fact everything except stopping the thread in its tracks ... it doesn't look like there's any danger of that ...
Funny you should bring up that most excellent quote from "a trained economist". I took some economics courses when I was a student, but I soon realized that the entire "discipline" is a "crock", precisely because of its glaring contradictions, which apparently are --- as in so many other cases --- visible only to "outsiders" ...
For virtually any enterprise, from a small business to a vast conglomerate, "accounting" means adding up the value of everything the company created, which ignoring the value of everything that was destroyed in the process. Most "trained economists" do not see this as a contradiction, or as a flaw in what they're doing. To me, it's not only a contradiction and a flaw, it invalidates everything they say or do. Which may help to explain the old joke
"if you took all the world's economists, and laid them end to end, they still wouldn't reach a conclusion"
All this may not have much to do with the article Chris wrote, but it does explain why I am not an economist. [wink] ... I can almost never add to anything Chris writes, but then that's one of the reasons why I read him so faithfully.
Thanks again to Chris Floyd; you can read more from Chris at Empire Burlesque.
Thanks also to Joan for the free advertising in #17 [your check is in the mail, sweetie!]
and Please Somebody Say Something! I don't want to stop the thread in its tracks either!!!