Good one, Brad. You're all over it.

At The Whispering Campaign, we've spent the evening preparing a set of broadsheets that YOU can take to the streets. The following pieces are online now:

Who Is The Real Threat To National Security? by Bob Harris

What One Mom Has to Say to George Bush by Mike Ferner

Rally in DC on August 10 by David Swanson

Impeachment Tour: The Beginning Of The End? by Jim Downing

Meeting With Bush Was 'Bizarre And Disgusting' by Greg Szymanski

May God Forgive Us For Our Apathy by Cindy Sheehan

and we will have more coming soon.

What Cindy needs most of all is support on the ground in Crawford, and we urge any readers who can go there to do so, immediately! But we understand that not everybody can go to Crawford.

Those who cannot go can still make a difference, and one way to do that is to visit our site, print these pages, make tons of copies and distribute them everywhere! The more people who know about what's happening there, the better it will be for Cindy, and for the rest of us too.

So, if you cannot go to Texas, please spend some time and energy very quietly educating the people around you. Being The Media has never been easier.

The Whispering Campaign
Visit. Print. Copy. Distribute. Repeat.
Knowledge Is Power! Pass It On!!

gO, bRAD, GO! My contempt for these filthy liars grows with every passing day. They should all be in prison, the lot of 'em!

MAINSTREAM MEDIA PEOPLE: STAND UP AND BE BRAVE AND SAY THE WORDS "ELECTION FRAUD!" BECAUSE SOON WE WILL BE INVADING IRAN BASED ON TRUMPED UP REASONS AND THE U.S. AND MUCH OF THE WORLD WILL BE THROWN INTO CHAOS AND WAR FOR DECADES TO COME. DON'T WAIT FOR THE DEMOCRATS TO DO IT! YOU ALONE HAVE THE ABILITY TO SAVE AMERICA AND THE WORLD... BUT YOU MUST ACT QUICKLY BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE! Please!!!!

This has been a public service announcement from Sanity and Reason, LLP.

I copied this from a conyersblog posting!

Tuesday, August 9th, 2005
A Message From Cindy Sheehan, Crawford, TX

Where do I begin?

Today was a highly eventful day. This entry won’t be artful, but utilitarian.

I conservatively got 3 to 5 phone calls a minute. I did about 25 phone interviews and several TV interviews. I did several right-wing radio interviews. I was supposed to do: The Today Show, MSNBC live interview, Connected Coast to Coast (MSNBC) and Hardball (MSNBC). The Today Show just never showed up and the other 3 MSNBC shows cancelled for no reason.

Another big story that was going on today was about my first meeting with Bush in June of 2004. For you all I would like to clarify a few things. First of all, I did meet with George, and that is not a secret. I have written about it and been interviewed about it. I will stand by my recounting of the meeting. His behavior was rude and inappropriate. My behavior in June of 2004 is irrelevant to what is going on in 2005. I was in deep shock and deep grief. The grief is still there, but the shock has worn off and the deep anger has set in. And to remind everybody, a few things have happened since June of 2004: The 9/11 commission report; the Senate Intelligence report; the Duelfer WMD report; and most damaging and criminal: the Downing Street Memos. The VERY LAST THING I HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THIS IS: Why do the right wing media so assiduously scrutinize the words of a grief filled mother and ignore the words of a lying president?

In the early afternoon, we got word that if we were still there by Thursday, we were going to be deemed a "security threat" to the president. Condi and Rummy are coming in on Thursday for a "policy" meeting. I just don’t understand why we will be a security threat on Thursday when we aren’t now? If we don’t leave on Thursday, we could be arrested. Well, I am not leaving. There are only three things that would make me leave: if George comes out and talks to me; if August comes to an end, or if I am arrested.

People are heading here from all over the country. I have some more Gold Star Families for Peace members coming tomorrow. We are amazed by the outpouring of love and support we are getting. 62% of the American public are against this war and want our troops home. We need to show the media that we are in the majority. We need to show George Bush and his cabal of neocons that when we say "bring the troops home, now" we mean "bring the troops home, now!!!"

In the late afternoon, many of us left to go back to the peace house in Crawford because there was going to be a major lightening storm. While most of us were gone, the Sheriff came and told us that what we were told was county property really was private property and we would have to remove our stuff to a tiny place, or get it confiscated. I find it interesting that the county sheriff did not know that roads in his county that lead up to the presidential vacation home are private roads. I find it very hard to believe. They think that they are pushing us off, but we will not leave there voluntarily or without handcuffs on. My only hope is, there will be tons of media there when they carry me to the squad car.

Today was so bizarre for me. I got phone calls from famous people pledging their support, and phone calls from mothers with sons in Iraq who are overcome with emotion when they talk to me. And it is so brave for them to call me, because I am their worst fear. We had a young man who is in the US Army at Ft. Hood come this morning and spend hours with us. He has been there and his unit is scheduled to go back in October. How much courage did that take for him to come within earshot of his commander in chief’s home and spend time with some old hippy protestors???

We have lawyer working on getting us closer to the ranch and working on magically turning the private property back into county property again. I have some awesome young ladies from CodePink answering my phone and taking phone calls. We have Veterans for Peace out there putting up banners (our tiny campsite looks real nice). We have concerned citizens from all over America starting to come in. IT IS FREAKIN AMAZING, FOLKS!!!

Come and join us and let your voices be joined with ours. AMEN!!!

A message from Cindy

I clicked on the meet with cindy.org and was sent to a blank page with welcome to chun in the upper left hand corner. Has it been hacked?

Talk to her george, you'll learn something about yourself you refuse to confront. Talk to her you criminal piece of shit fucking pussy.

All roads lead to Dubya's Ranch at Crawford Texas.

If the parents of Vietnam vets had questioned their president , would they have still sent their sons to slaughter?

Torqued's exhortation: "Talk to her you criminal piece of shit fucking pussy." is a beautiful thing!

Yes, I know vulgarities and name-calling is not really at the intellectual level that many of us who seek serious discussion and genuine accountability of this fraudulent administration, HOWEVER....there comes a time when the sheer outrage and utter horror over what the Neo-cons have done - IN OUR NAME, MIND YOU - compells us to condemn these vicious, traitorous, self-serving bastards in the strongest possible language!!

Keep your voices raised and don't let anybody shut you up!!!

You're all over this one, Brad. Good job! This mother of a fallen American solider, may just do another ultimate sacrifice by going to jail. This country doesn't stink, the Republicans stink!!! Ultimately, if she goes to jail, it's because our government is controlled by one party, the Republicans. Which Republicans are going to stand up for this woman???

Brad, you should start a topic on "Was President Bush Indicted?" Federal prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald is our latest hero. And Bush/cronies are doing everything they can to remove him. I hope he doesn't turn up "missing" one day...
Sorry for posting off-topic...

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/8852202

http://citizenspook.blogspot.com/

http://citizenspook.blog...controlling-law-big.html

http://citizenspook.blog...trolling-law-part-2.html

http://citizenspook.blog...e-house-indicted-us.html

http://www.americanfreep.../president_indicted.html

http://www.rense.com/general67/over77.htm

http://www.arcticbeacon....rticle/1518131/30722.htm

http://www.arcticbeacon....rticle/1518131/31184.htm

The more I think about it, it isn't "off-topic", it's part of the "big picture"!

Hey Brad,

Do you know if someone(s) have come forward to pay Cindy's bail?

I think if someone like George Clooney did that PLUS make it a MAJOR MEDIA SPECTACLE of her being dragged off to jail, then the whole country would see what evil lives in Crawford.

When Cindy said on the media yesterday that the Secret Service gave her a thinly veiled, mafia style threat that "car accidents will happen to you if you stay on the side of the road," was the last straw.

This country is now Nazi Germany II.

What evils lay ahead? I have no clue. But we are in desperate need of Regime Change. Are you hearing me, European governments???

I like the fact that Fitzgerald seems to be going after corruption wherever he finds it. Maybe that is the only way to change the rules of the game in this country.

cindy is a hero, she is strength and ability... put to work for all of our sons. thank you .......forever

Hey you 6 or 7 go sign Cindy's petition to *.

http://elandslide.org/el...ition.cfm?campaign=cindy

I was # 1073, let's make it 1079 or 1080

One hour. One god damn hour out of his month long vacation could have prevented this. Just explain to her how her son died for a 'noble cause'. How completing the 'mission' will honor the dead, the wounded. Should be easy for someone with speechwriters to come up with a lie or two.

Heartless.

From one of the most iinformative articles I've seen regarding Cindy at Crawford.

-Vietnam veteran Jim Waters, not affliated with any activist group, said that he drove overnight from Lubbock alone in support of Sheehan and the Gold Star Families for Peace because he is “very concerned” about the war in Iraq and wants to ask President Bush, “Why aren’t his daughters there?”
“One of the principles of leadership is you don’t ask people to do what you yourself don’t have the courage to do, and [President Bush] is asking people to fight to their deaths when he himself and most of the architects of this war never served,” said Waters, a retired Navy commander and former hospital administrator. “[President Bush] served, but he jumped over 10,000 people to get into the National Guard Champagne Unit, so he could avoid duty in Vietnam. I had to go to Vietnam, and now he’s sending them to their deaths — over 1,800 so far.
“I’m sick and tired of what’s happening to our country,” he continued. “To me it’s almost like the White House operation is a mob operation. These guys are scary, and they’re dangerous, in my opinion.”-

Well Said Commander Waters!

http://www.iconoclast-te.../2005/31-40/32news01.htm

127 more signers to petition in last 1/2 hour.

> One hour. One god damn hour out of his month long vacation could have prevented this. Just explain to her how her son died for a 'noble cause'. How completing the 'mission' will honor the dead, the wounded. Should be easy for someone with speechwriters to come up with a lie or two

Once you meet with one, you have to meet with all of them. That is impossible! Should each mom of a dead soldier demand something? " I want a house," "I want a million dollars, " "I want you to tell me why my son died after he volunteered for the military," etc.

> How completing the 'mission' will honor the dead

These are things she should already know.

Another heartless bastard. >U

You don't understand, Paul, she represents every mother and father whose son or daughter has been killed or maimed in this illegal war!

Yes they volunteered, but not to do the bidding of a liar!

This is not an illegal war!

We are in a War on Terrorism and we will go where it is.

Bush did not lie.

Clinton, Gore, Kerry, the UN, and 17 resolutions later all said Saddam had WMD.

"It's only a lie if you believe it is a lie" - George Castanza

Paul thumped all the good stuff right outta his Bible, I think.

And smearing the mother of a dead soldier is inexcusable. But no surprise from these wussy types

I think so too Kira.

Hey Paul, when the Rapture comes, can I have your car?

Brad refers to the Bushistas' "... loathesome, selfish, personal quest to avoid taking any responsibility for their own horrific failures and utter inability to govern with even the slightest shred of competence, effectiveness or compassion?" I agree about their lack of compassion but not about their competence and effectiveness. They have been HUGELY effective: they stole the 2000 election in Florida, they foisted tax cuts for the super-rich on a credulous Congress and public, they won the 2002 midterms with saber rattling, they stole the 2004 election in Ohio (and probably Fl and NM), they have the bankruptcy, energy, and transportation giveaways nicely made into law, they have created a virtually bottomless well of support for Halliburton, Bechtel, and other profiteers, and they have muzzled the media. Looks pretty effective to me. They will very likely steal the coming midterms. Don't look for a post-Watergate-type swing this time around.

Dan, on #11: don't nominate Patrick Fitzgerald for sainthood yet. Let's see what indictments come down, if any.

> Paul thumped all the good stuff right outta his Bible, I think

What does that mean? Are you on acid?

This lady once sang the praises of Bush. What happened? Did she go to the dark side?

No one volunteered to fight a war based on lies.

"Clinton, Gore, Kerry, the UN, and 17 resolutions later all said Saddam had WMD." Based on false and misleading information.

"It's only a lie if you believe it is a lie" So a lie is the truth if you believe it's the truth.

I pity you.

Paul, is it still the War on Terrorism? I thought the name got changed a few days back... better check your talking points again.

Who wants to invade Iran more than anybody else?

Israel

Learn more of the truth, about how our own country has been infiltrated by serious traitors from other nations.

The Hidden WAR

Doug E.

> better check your talking points again

I don't get talking points.

I don't care what it is called. I'd like to see it called "Global Draining Of The Swamp."

V #29,

Actualy it had been renamed, but Bush insisted it still be called a war.

He expressed this at some convention, although I can't find the link today.

Global Strugle Against Violent Extremism . Catchy, huh?

Careful, all sorts of stuff live in swamps. Liars, war profiteers, vote thieves, cheerleaders. Ya just never can tell...

Not only is it important to talk about Bush administration lies about its reasons for making war on Iraq; we also need to press the administration to disclose what its real reasons for making war when there obviously was no threat to our country. It is plain to see that there is self-serving criminality involved here, and this point must be hammered home every day to stress just how profoundly corrupt and treasonous Bush and his oil industry and financial cronies really are.

George W. Bush said they were gonna 'flush out' bin Laden and catch him.

Well, that hound dog don't hunt. He ain't never caught a rabbit and he ain't no friend of mine.

Dear Paul,

The Administration’s Hidden Teenage Graveyard

[snip] Sec. Rumsfeld, once maintaining that he'd be surprised if the conflict went on for 6 months, now seems surprised when people are shocked when he says that it may take 12 years (a little off on the "metrics").

The many rationales for going and staying in Iraq have basically boiled down to, "We'll stay until the Iraqis are ready to fight for themselves." This is generally followed by, "Training is going to take a while..." which, in turn, is punctuated by, "Our troops are fighting for a noble cause- to bring freedom to the Iraqi's".

That means that our troops must continue to fight and die until the Iraqi's are trained well enough to fight for their own precious freedom which would translate into the "threshold condition" for withdrawal as described above.

The language, "We have the best trained troops in the world..." is specifically intended to shut down any line of inquiry by implying that a questioning of the policy is a questioning of our troops' abilities and their commitment to freedom.

It's enough to make most turn their heads from the carnage and hope for the best. But for those willing to take a look at some basic facts, the "talking points" should mean nothing. The following clearly shows that something is awfully and terribly wrong with the current policy in Iraq:

Currently, 1833 American soldiers (all age groups) are reported as being killed in Iraq.

19 of them were only 18 years old; and
110 of them were 19 years old.

129 teenagers. Not to diminish any other deaths in this “Bush Family Iraqi Adventure” but one should really wrap their minds around that number. 129 teenagers- dead.

129 teenage names unknown to all but family and friends.

The ages of our dead young soldiers speak volumes as to the validity of the official rationales/arguments given and show just how disingenuous our leadership can be. [snip]
***MORE***

Dear Paul,

From the same link, 2 more paragraphs:

Perhaps there is some good explanation why a presumed irresponsible American boy or girl can be trained to be a part of "the best fighting force in the world" when adult Iraqi men can't even approach "readiness" ability in over 2 years. The "presumed irresponsible" wording is not an editorial comment. It is a reflection of the fact that our society has deemed 18 and 19 year olds as irresponsible by denying them the right to drink alcohol until they reach the age of 21.

It certainly seems that either someone is lying about the training our young soldiers are receiving and, due to troop strength shortages, they're being thrust onto the battlefield unprepared, or someone is lying about the training the Iraqi's are receiving. Furthermore, how can anyone expect American 18 year olds to be better fighters for freedom in a land that most of them couldn't even find on the map (according to a National Geographic study) prior to their deployment than the people whose roots there date back thousands of years?

Paul,

I don't care if the Pope, Mary, Joseph and a few billion others say they had WMD's. They WERE NOT THERE! Not one speck or hint they were ever there!

So where were they?

Why were the inpectors, who also didn't find any WMD's, rushed out right before we attack??????? HMMMM?

Also, we are draining the swamp. It's black, it's slick, and sells for $64/bbl.

Read Frank Herbert's, "Dune". "He who controls the spice, controls the universe". Paul, you must be Harkonnen.

"Oil is much too important a commodity to be left in the hands of the Arabs." --Henry Kissinger

I agree that Cindy Sheehan is becoming a real American hero. Standing up for what she believes in......even at the risk of being hauled off to jail. Boy.....did the Bush Klan lie to us about this war!!!
I hope this blows up in Bushes face!!!

re #39 John: Boy.....did the Bush Klan lie to us about this war!!!

Not only did they lie ... they waged a massive publicity campaign to sell the lie ... and some of us bit ... Kudos to those who bit on the lie, but then realized that it was a lie and managed to wriggle free ... apparently some people, like our friends Paul and Ricky, bit so hard that now they can't get the hook out of their mouths ... one fish, two fish...

If there's anyone else who still thinks that the WMD story was not a lie, just a mistake, you ought to get reading. Here's a good place to start:

Not Bad Intelligence --- An Orchestrated Effort

... in which a retired USAF Colonel describes how your government spent hundreds of millions of dollars --- not on gathering intelligence but on a marketing campaign --- to convince you to support a war they had already decided to fight!

The link above leads to the short "Whispering" version. For the whole thing, click here. Thanks to Sam Gardiner and Information Clearinghouse.

Also: thanks to everyone who has been Whispering. Let's keep making noise --- very quietly!!

Cindy's posting for Day 4
------------------------------------------------

The Peaceful Occupation of Iraq
by CindySheehan
Tue Aug 9th, 2005 at 22:33:42 PDT
Day 4
Today started at 4am when I had to get up and get ready to be on Good Morning America. It was pouring down rain at Camp Casey. The wind was blowing and there was thunder and lightening. It was pretty exciting. The interview went very well. I haven't seen it or read a transcript. Since it was taped, I am just wondering if they showed it when I said Bush doesn't want to see me because he likes to surround himself with "sycophants." I also interviewed with Randi Rhodes, Ed Schultz, Greta Van Susteran, and many others, and closed out the day with my pal, Mike Malloy.

CindySheehan's diary :: ::
The "first meeting" controversy died down a little today when my town's newspaper printed an op-ed that contradicted Matt Drudge's cherry-picked account of my first meeting with George.

But since they don't have that controversy, they apparently have been lying about other things. Bill O'Reilly said that I am doing this because I have been bought out by, "The Arab Anti-Discrimination League." He was telling his viewers that I am a tool for the liberals and that I am a tool for the anti-war movement. Right now, what we are doing right here in Crawford is the anti-war movement. We have such a strong coalition of groups. GSFP, Code Pink, Veterans for Peace, Military Families Speak Out and the Crawford Peace House.

I talked with John Conyers today and he wrote a letter to George signed by about 18 other Congress members to request that he meet with me. I also talked to Maxine Waters tonight and she is probably going to be here tomorrow. I am so overwhelmed by the support.

I did non-stop interviews today. 100 people came through today to visit with us. About 25 people are staying the night. More food, water, flowers, and money came through today. One father brought his 2 and 4 year old sons out to meet me and thank me for trying to save his boys from the same fate Casey suffered.

Celeste and Dante Zappala from Philadelphia and Bill Mitchell from Atascadero, Ca., all members of GSFP, came out today to support me and help me do interviews and greet all of the people who are arriving.

There is a huge action tomorrow in Aurora, Il. George Bush is leaving the ranch tomorrow to go to Aurora, Il to sign a part of the energy bill at the Caterpillar factory. True Majority has raised money to dog George Bush when he leaves the ranch. Every time he leaves, there will be a GSFP member, MFSO members, VFP members, and Code Pink members who will protest him and say "Meet with Cindy." We will not let him have a 5 week nice vacation when there are millions of people in harm's way in Iraq due to his careless policies. The people of Iraq and our soldiers are suffering. Why should George have a nice vacation?

Thank you for all your support and interest.

We are making a difference.

Keep up the good work.

> Also, we are draining the swamp. It's black, it's slick, and sells for $64/bbl.

We buy vitually 0% of oil from Iraq. My father-in-law has been in the business and lived in Saudi for years. This is not a war about oil he said. If is all about oil, we could just takeover Saudi with their weak 30,000 men army - make Saudi Arabia a US state. Our #1 supplier of oil is Saudi Arabia, followed by Mexico and then Venezuela.

> Perhaps there is some good explanation why a presumed irresponsible American boy or girl can be trained to be a part of "the best fighting force in the world" when adult Iraqi men can't even approach "readiness" ability in over 2 years

Iraqi's are the ones who are not bright, not our 18 to 19 year olds. I had a non-English speaking Russian live with my wife and I for 20 months and it was like having a 5 year old in the house. He had no idea how to use the stove, dishwasher, washing machine and dryer, etc. It is not really about getting them ready, but getting enough of them ready. You can only do so much. I could make you a sr. telecon tech like me but it would take years.

If being a senior telecon techie makes you so smart, Paul, how is it you haven't figured out the flaw in your own argument?

If most Iraqis aren't bright enough to learn how to fight their own battles, then how in hell could we ever have made Iraq into a model democracy for the Middle East? That's what the neo-cons have been dreaming of, but by your own words it's impossible.

We've been there 2-1/2 years, getting our soldiers blown to bits and permanently maimed, spending tens of billions of dollars, all for the sake of training a few Iraqis who can staned on their own two feet? Can you possibly comprehend how dumb that is?

> how in hell could we ever have made Iraq into a model democracy for the Middle East? That's what the neo-cons have been dreaming of, but by your own words it's impossible.

How taught you to read? Government schools? I never said impossible - I said it takes time.

Yes, it is difficult to setup a country like ours since ours was founded on Christian principles by Christian and Deist men. Ours is not a democracy, but a Representative Republic, which drives the left crazy. Some have said we are a Democratic Republic which is also not true. The only Democracy we have is the elections. The rest is a Representative Republic. It will take some time, like teaching a child.

Paul, if you're the same one who quoted passages from the Bible on another thread, you must know what you're saying here is bigoted and NOT what Jesus would say. He hears you. He does NOT approve.

Jesus questions us:
"Why do you call me 'Lord, Lord!' but do not do what I say?" As in: love God, love neighbors, love enemies, do justice, tell the truth...

Why aren't you seeking the TRUTH instead of blindly marching to the neoCON lies about WAR?

Remember this? WHATEVER YOU DID UNTO ONE OF THE LEAST OF THESE, YOU DID UNTO ME

Paul said: I had a non-English speaking Russian live with my wife and I for 20 months and it was like having a 5 year old in the house. He had no idea how to use the stove, dishwasher, washing machine and dryer, etc. GEE, PAUL. How very bright of YOU.

When people don't have these luxuries, how do you expect them to know how to operate these machines? Does it make you feel more powerful to denigrate other peoples' intelligence when it's simply a lack of experience (many times cultural) rather than a deficiency of intelligence? “For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted.” [Luke 18:9-14]

I hope you find yourself in a situation where your intelligence comes into question because you don't know how to do something the crowd knows so well! Only then will you be able to understand the compassion of "walk a mile in my shoes."

On the last day, Jesus will say to those on His right hand, "Come, enter the Kingdom. For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was sick and you visited me." Then Jesus will turn to those on His left hand and say, "Depart from me because I was hungry and you did not feed me, I was thirsty and you did not give me to drink, I was sick and you did not visit me." These will ask Him, "When did we see You hungry, or thirsty or sick and did not come to Your help?" And Jesus will answer them, "Whatever you neglected to do unto one of these least of these, you neglected to do unto Me!"

I hope you will read these words and take them to heart, Paul:

It is all too convenient for the religious right to claim that God is with them when they win, and that Satan is behind it when they lose. Throughout history, people have decried anyone they disagreed with as the anti-Christ or un-Christian. We are all fallible human beings and we might all be upset when we lose something we fought for, but threatening retaliation is not the action of someone who is following Christ. It is the action of someone seeking the kingdoms here on earth that Jesus rejected.

Kira # 45- Brilliant post Kira, Bravo!! Geez, you are very intelligent, insightful and literate, I sure enjoy reading your posts! As are most of the posters at Bradblog, you guys are the best, and very knowledgable too! Thanks so much for the hope you give.

Sarah,
In copying my response #45 from my Word doc. to the comment box, I missed the line & link which would have given credit for that last paragraph to the writer (not me!), Barb - from Public Christian

What an oops!

Anyway, I do try. Thanks for the kind words!

#22

Bush most certainly did lie. He knew before he gave the state of the union address that the niger documents were forgeries. The line about Niger had been taken out of speeches previously to the state of the union and yet he still uttered those words making it a lie.

A lot of the quotes you dug up were prior to the 98 bombing of Iraq by Clinton. It was in 98 that we knew we had destroyed Sadam's weapons which we helped them acquire. Tell me how many boogymen of Reagan's are we going to have to clean up?

Maybe you should watch this BBC special on Tony Blair concerning the leadup to war.

http://www.informationcl...use.info/article8579.htm

As stated in the Downing Street Minutes the UN resolution had to be changed just to have the justification for the war.

Perhaps you've forgotten about the time when Colin Powell and Condoleeza Rice told us Saddam was no threat to his neighbors or to the US and he did not have WMDs.

http://www.thememoryhole.../war/powell-rice-wmd.wmv

Now which time were they lying before or after?

#22

Bush most certainly did lie. He knew before he gave the state of the union address that the niger documents were forgeries. The line about Niger had been taken out of speeches previously to the state of the union and yet he still uttered those words making it a lie.

A lot of the quotes you dug up were prior to the 98 bombing of Iraq by Clinton. It was in 98 that we knew we had destroyed Sadam's weapons which we helped them acquire. Tell me how many boogymen of Reagan's are we going to have to clean up?

Maybe you should watch this BBC special on Tony Blair concerning the leadup to war.

http://www.informationcl...use.info/article8579.htm

As stated in the Downing Street Minutes the UN resolution had to be changed just to have the justification for the war.

Perhaps you've forgotten about the time when Colin Powell and Condoleeza Rice told us Saddam was no threat to his neighbors or to the US and he did not have WMDs.

http://www.thememoryhole.../war/powell-rice-wmd.wmv

Now which time were they lying before or after?

#22

Bush most certainly did lie. He knew before he gave the state of the union address that the niger documents were forgeries. The line about Niger had been taken out of speeches previously to the state of the union and yet he still uttered those words making it a lie.

A lot of the quotes you dug up were prior to the 98 bombing of Iraq by Clinton. It was in 98 that we knew we had destroyed Sadam's weapons which we helped them acquire. Tell me how many boogymen of Reagan's are we going to have to clean up?

Maybe you should watch this BBC special on Tony Blair concerning the leadup to war.

http://www.informationcl...use.info/article8579.htm

As stated in the Downing Street Minutes the UN resolution had to be changed just to have the justification for the war.

Perhaps you've forgotten about the time when Colin Powell and Condoleeza Rice told us Saddam was no threat to his neighbors or to the US and he did not have WMDs.

http://www.thememoryhole.../war/powell-rice-wmd.wmv

Now which time were they lying before or after?

Paul, you are an arrogant ignorant bible-thumping fool.

There is nothing truthful about your statements, the USA Owns Halliburton & EXXON Mobil the two largest and only real drillers in Iraq.

They receive over 40% of the proceeds, which is why the Oil industry is now 284% RICHER. They funnel the money back into corporate kickbacks, and private trust funds for those who wrote this book of wars like Tom DeLay.

IT IS ALL ABOUT OIL, YOU IGNORANT LITTLE SCHMUCK!

Otherwise, we wouldn't be siphoning out all their resources and feeding them over. We basically split the proceeds between three major countries, Israel/Pakist, Saudi Arabia, America. Everyone else gets, well nothing. We don't really trade with anyone else and haven't for a while.

Your amount of ignorance astounds me though....We used to have deal with venezuela, and that went sour. NOW, sometimes one Oil company will produce more than another. But that wasn't the case here. We don't get 0% of the oil moron, we get 100% of it and divide it up with our allies.

Doug E.

#51

Sorry about the multiple posts the site was being screwy. Not only does the oil industry not represent america it also rips us off. The government in the recent Energy Bill thought it would be better for us if we gave even more taxpayer dollars to subsidize the oil industry. So the government is giving them money and then we are giving them more money. Which they use out of the country and hide even more of their money. Either way you look at it they're still screwing us and Bush is helping them.

It's not about oil Doug! My comment was that oil is at $64 a barrel because of supply and demand of oil, supply and demand for gas, and what people are willing to pay. The $64 a barrel is a future price, not the current price of oil. That number will always go up and down. My father-in-law who has been in the business his entre life would say you are misguided.

Kira wrote
> Paul, if you're the same one who quoted passages from the Bible on another thread, you must know what you're saying here is bigoted and NOT what Jesus would say. He hears you. He does NOT approve.

Jesus threw out the money changers in the temple. God struck people dead.

God destroyed many a nation using Israel against Israel's enemies. God destroyed Sodom, Gomorrah, and three other cities around the Dead Sea. Jesus is love and his purpose in his first coming was to seek and to save. Jesus second coming will be as a judge. God is love, but He is also wrathful. God hates evil and he will destroy it one way or another, using one nation against another and/or on Judgement Day for individuals.

God gives us the right to defend ourselves.

Kira, a god of love only (Unity Church/New Agers) is a false god, and a god of wrath only (Islam), is a false god. Where do you get your beliefs?

Well, it's nearing the end of Thursday. Cindy was on Countdown tonight. No mention of being arrested. Don't get me wrong - I sympathize and believe she, and America, deserves a straight-forward answer as to why this war was started --- preferably in explicit terms rather than vague concepts of "freedom" and "democracy". But what's the deal with the "being arrested as a threat to national security" thing? Did the local police actually tell her that she was going to be arrested today? Did she get arrested today?

Paul your ignorance is exactly what's wrong with America!!!! IT IS ABOUT OIL!!!! ISRAEL's OIL!!!

Paul, you are a pathetic ignorant idiot.

Go take your stack of bibles and rue the day you swept in.

'Communists?' This is why you and your far righty crackpots don't deserve to be in government.

You are totally ignorant, totally oblivious to all that is happening around you.

Since when did the fact that Israel-Pakistan has corrupted our congress and senate, paid off officials from both parties, and forced us into wars for oil NOT become news?

And your joke and laughing tirade of bullshit is this is all clinton's fault. Go scuffle down some more of that lemonade butch, this is not all Clinton's fault. This is the fault of the Bush Admin, the Clinton Admin and countless others who have been bribed and CORRUPTED-WHO HAD FULL KNOWING, AND WARNING OF 9/11.

Don't make me laugh...Next time you want to know what's up, Visit this site and read about the Israeli spy networks who were let go, start soaking up the knowledge rather than turning to a false phony belief, that has nothing to do with reality.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/...50811/cm_huffpost/005427
Doug E.