Wow! And I mean WOW. This sister is superb. Not one false note. A historical document.

Her letter sums up everything I've wanted to say to the Admin for the past couple of years.

Good for her.

Brad, any chance she could be interviewed on your show tomorrow (or next week?)

At the same time, I am reverent and condolescent over the loss of her husband at WTC.

A note to Kristen Breitweiser,

Thank you for writing. I have carefully reviewed both your letter and Mr. Rove's speech.

I have taken the time to reflect on what you wrote and wanted to share it with you and others. I trust that you will find my words appropriate, more so in light of the stark contrast between what one in the Administration might say they value vs what they actually do. [ More . . . ]

I would hope that you find my words of comfort and encouragement: It is evident that what some like Karl Rove like to talk about as a principle is not consistent with their policy as implemented.

However, the larger issue isn't simply ideology, values, or actions; but how that conduct compares the the laws of the land.

Clearly, conservatism has been corrupted to justify an unlawful war of aggression. The Downing Street Memo shows what they are capable of doing; and why there are many questions that deserve a formal inquiry, not simply more white wash investigations and promotions.

You ask many reasonable questions. You, your family, and the nation deserve answers. And the Constitution is best preserved when we have answers, not pronouncements on values which are at best undermining the Republican cause and the Constitution.

Thank you again for taking the time to write and I wish you all the best, and with confidence that the fight for the Constitution has only just begun.

Very respectfully,

Constant

MrBlueSky - As mentioned in my blog item, I've been trying to get in touch with her all week. Prior to her letter yesterday, in fact. But haven't been able to track her down yet. Still trying to, and will try to fit her into tomorrow night's radio show if we can get her in time. Any leads on how to find her is appreciated!

Brad, i think she's one of an organized group of women from New Jersey who lost their husbands at the World Trade Center. I promise you Mayor Bloomberg knows where she is, likewise Governor Pataki and the news staff of any New York paper.

I sent my email to ask why Bradblog has been removed from the blog list at HP and that they post the link again, today. Maybe it was a mistake?

Great letter by Ms. Breitweiser, even John Kerry mentioned her in his latest email to me.

Brad - To find Kristen Breitweiser, I presume you have tried "Families of September 11" - 212-575-1878 and info@familiesofseptember11.org.

It's written with controlled anger, and her thoughts are very well organized. It will be interesting to see how Rove spins his answer, if he even has the guts to try.

He can't defame her as a "liberal." He can't say she looks to apologize for terrorists. He can't challenge her on her facts, because she's right. In fact he can't go after her at all.

The response couldn't have come from a more perfect source. If it gets widely circulated, look for Bush to drop to under 40% in the next poll.

I checked the relevant comments @ HuffingtonPost (quite a few so far) and was appalled that only 4 (four) of the comments dealt with the truth behind 9/11. This number is disappointing to put it mindly because all the info is out there and there is no doubt that 9/11 was an "inside job", a high tech military attack masterfully planned, conducted, and embedded in 4 wargames. Although several details cannot be proven directly, one major fact has already been proven: the controlled demolition of WTC 1, 2, and 7.
How OBL or other potential perpetrators could have done this job? OBL has been a long-time CIA asset and he has nothing to do with the attack itself. No proof so far that any of the 19 terrorists were involved in the attack. The whole story is a cover-up with lies, lies, lies and lies again.....................

{ed note: Deleted. Attny Jimmo posting under different names. When he posts as Atty Jimmo again his posts will be allowed to stay.}

At least James is willing to fes up as to who the REAL president is. . . .

Ohh lookie! Jimmo's back.

Hey Jimmo --- you really need to join the 6 freepers who launched the tiny GoPee counter-protest at the Honorable John Conyers' Hearing on the Downing Street Minutes.

The nerve of them --- carrying a sign pointing to the Honorable John Conyers that said "Lynch Mob." How ill.

"We've been attempting to track down Kristen Breitwesier, whose husband was killed on 9/11 for this weekend's BRAD SHOW."

Wow. Killed for the BRAD SHOW. The lengths some will go to, eh?

Seriously though, thanks Brad - good luck getting her for the show. Her letter was right on the mark.

WOW. I have never seen it put so eloquently, bluntly, and truthfully. We have two very powerful woman speakers today, Kristen Breitweiser, and Cindy Sheehan. These two are making more sense with fewer words than all the pundits combined.

you're missing an important comma, brad. it should go after "9/11" and before "for this week's show."

This morning, I sent an e-mail to the White House (via their webmail service) demanding that President Bush fire Karl Rove.

He's gone way too far this time!

"... whose husband was killed on 9/11 for this weekend's BRAD SHOW."

Wow, that's got to be some show.

James, Why do conservative posters like you always have to include a few cheap insults in their posts? You think this lady is a nut? She doesn't need to use words like "moonbat" or "looney" to get her point across. You think the vast majority supports the President? Have you been following the polls? Even Fox News polls show minority support for your leader. You think she is "wrong" in her criticism of Karl Rove using 9-11 as a political talking point? Fact is, the VAST majority of Americans are sick of this kind of ''political capital " game. Stop, OK? You are hurting America.

DocForTruth: You say that the controlled demolition of WTC 1, 2 and 7 is a proven fact. I am more than willing to consider the horrific possibility that 9/11 was the product of a far-right-wing/corporate conspiracy. But I do not find your assertion credible. First off, because I have seen a reasonable engineering analysis of the collapse. But more importantly, because a controlled demolition MAKES NO SENSE.

There would be no need to totally destroy the buildings. The crash of the airliners themselves, without the subsequent collapse of the buildings, would have provided more than sufficient war hysteria to serve the conspirator’s purpose. There would have still been 24/7 coverage, plenty of TV footage, a full cast of heroes (both real and imagined) and most sadly, lots of innocent victims.

So there would be no advantage gained by a conspiracy to “gild the lily” in demolishing the buildings. There would however be PLENTY of disadvantages. In particular, it would significantly increase the plan’s complexity, risk, and chance of detection.

Further, why would they blow up building 7? What possible advantage could have been gained by complicating the plan to include a much smaller building, one that no airliner was going to hit?

Finally, I have seen no evidence that ANYONE in the present administration is sufficiently competent to carry out such a complicated plan. I believe them to be capable of deliberately ignoring warnings of an attack, perhaps even helping the terrorists overcome security obstacles. But, the clandestine placement of hundreds of explosive devices in 3 public buildings? Get real!

# 18

Getplaning,

Thank you for your words. Indeed, your rage is well placed.

Recall, their goal is to get you to react to their agenda. The trick is to create a larger agenda that others will unite behind to defeat this tyrant.

We are stronger when we mobilize behind a grander objective.

The wise one will see their bait for what it is; and look beyond to see the higher issues: That we are neither Republicans nor Democrats; that we are one people under a Constitution who shall defeat this tyrant. [ More . . . ]

We shall prevail. The Constituion will be stronger. And this tyrant will be brought to justice.

Use their revelations as a guide to their vulnerabilites. Then seek to rally others, both Republicans and Democrats, to unite against a common foe. [ More . . . ]

Thank you for your passion. I hope you accept these words in the spirit that they are intended.

Very respectfully,

Constant

Tim Goldsmith #19

I see you really need to study up on the facts surrounding 9/11.

1st of all, follow the money. Silverstein purchased the World Trade Centers just 7 weeks prior to 9/11. These buildings had a known history of being "money losers" and they were in serious need of asbestos removal (the law) which would have cost more than they were worth. After their destruction, Silverstein made a huge profit from the insurance companies.

Which buildings were destroyed? ONLY Silverstein holdings.

Please look at the PBS special where Silverstein himself admits (on video) that he "pulled" building 7. (That's professional lingo for "demolition.")

Start here: Really News 9/11 Investigations

Did the letter get sent anywhere, or to anyone, other than Huffington??? Will Rove, the neo-cons, or actual Repubs. read it????? I hope she stays with this until the evil doers are impeached and imprisoned.

Also, I asked Huffington to re-instate Bradblog on the blog list.

#19

You are assuming that everything that "came down" was exactly as planned. I think the possibility has to be considered that things went wrong-- perhaps terribly wrong. Like, maybe the initial attack was only a "suicide mission" to hit the tops of the buildings, and things went out of control after that. For all we know, the buildings had charges in place for the sake of an "insurance policy"-- that is, so that if they ever came down, for whatever reason, it would be with minimal destruction to neighboring buildings. Just a speculation, of course. So, while I agree with most of what you say, I don't necessarily come to the same conclusion.

Kira #20- THANK-YOU for addressing post #19, the facts are out there for anyone interested enough to read, there is MORE than enough information to know at the very least the Bushit Admin told MANY lies regarding that horrible day. Is it not interesting to note that NEVER in history has a building collapsed because of fire, yet on 9/11 THREE buildings collapsed on the same day, and in EXACTLY the same way!! What are the chances of that?? COME ON PEOPLE, READ and INFORM yourselves, stop listening to Govt. propoganda!!

Gee, I wonder why the bomb-sniffing dogs were called off a WEEK before 9/11, not to mention the weekend before 9/11 certain elevators were shut down, power out so no security cameras were working, "engineers" going in and out of the buildings with boxes all weekend, many civilians and emergency personnel reporting bombs going off, and all the other evidence that pokes holes in the "official story". America needs to WAKE UP Now, start informing yourselves, there is enormous amounts of information out there for anyone willing to look and take the time to READ!!!

Sarah, have you run into any research on the intense heat that melted the steel, that lasted for weeks --- compared to any other building that ever burned or was demolished?

I call your attention to this earlier post of mine:

9/11 explosion victim, Lauren Manning's Description of what happened to her

The morning of the terrorist attacks, Manning, a vice president and partner at Cantor Fitzgerald bond trading firm, arrived in a cab in front of Tower One of the World Trade Center just moments after the first plane hit.

"I remember getting out of the cab and hearing an incredibly loud whistle," Manning recalled in an interview with Oprah Winfrey. "I plunged through the doors wondering what the noise was ... a fireball exploded through the bottom of the elevator shafts, and it caught me from behind and spun me towards the doors. I grabbed the handles, and they must have become super-heated, which is what caused my hand burns. I just plunged out, knowing I was on fire," she said.
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Why was there an explosion sending a fireball up through the bottom of the elevator shafts just moments after the first plane hit?

Tim #19,
As Kira #21 points out, the answer is $$$.

In addition to insurance claims and incentives to avoid losses due to asbestos removal etc., there were also suspicious stock-market trades done shortly before the event.

Don't discount something just because you can't immediately figure out the logic behind it.

Here's an interesting read --

The looniest of all 9/11 conspiracy theories

Tim,

I'm also very skeptical about things, for example it certainly seems feasible that the two towers collapsed from the fire and structural damage done to them.

However, building 7 is a completely different story. Its a block away and was not hit by an airplane or the towers when they collapsed. In fact, there are buildings much closer that had worse damage than 7 and didn't collapse.

Even the official report on building 7 recommends that more study needs to be done on building 7.

Then consider that Silverstein bought all 3 buildings a few months before and took out a big insurance policy on them. Presumably insurance is normal. However, Marvin Bush (George's little known brother), was not only on the board of directors for the Kuwait-American company providing Security at the WTC complex, but that company ALSO ran security at Dulles, where the Pentagon-plane orginated. Marvin was ALSO on the board of directors for the company that held the insurance policy.

(Search Wikipedia for Marvin Bush).

If that coincidence isn't enough to convince you that something behind the scenes was going on, then at least consider that the CIA and FBI both had offices in building 7, presumably with lots of sensitive information which they would not have wanted to let pesky people like firefighters rifle-through.

In other words, examination of building 7 holds the key to understanding the truth behind 9/11.

One must never forget that Silverstein himself admitted to "pulling" the building...I don't think that is a contested fact, but what is amazing is that it isn't a well known fact, as it should be if he admitted to it on tape.

In the documentary “America Rebuilds”, aired September 2002, Silverstein makes the following statement;

“I remember getting a call from the, er, fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, ‘We’ve had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it.’ And they made that decision to pull and we watched the building collapse.”

Watch it:

Watch Silverstein here in this clip from the PBS special

The secrecy surrounding Building 7 is peculiar. If the building was detonated, as seems clear, why wouldn't the Bush administration simply say, "The terrorists blew up one building, even as the suicide bombers flew planes into two others."????

That would sound credible, especially given the World Trade Center history. Instead, they say nothing, giving rise to conspiracy theories which gain credence from the fact that the twin towers should not have collapsed simply from the impact of the planes, and from the evidence showing that the Pentagon could not have been struck by the plane alleged to have done so.

Kira, Thanks for the read - it was an interesting way to look at the "official" cause.

As for James #10, His rants seem to come straight off the website I ran across yesterday. I wish now that I had bookmarked it. Found it through a link in another story or discussion board. It was some Republican extreemist orginaztion. Claims to be the most Repuplican of the Republicans. Nothing but a bunch of hate mongering twisted views of the Nation and the World.

Oops, I may have just fed him, sorry folks!

Two opposing views of Gitmo

Dick Cheney: LINK

Today's Official US admission: LINK

Kira - First off - I am ON YOUR SIDE! We both want to expose this administration for the corrupt corporate mobsters we know them to be.

But you cannot expect me to unconditionally accept the two sources you cite. Your first link does not work. Your second (looniest conspiracy) link, I have read before. It is thought provoking and troubling. But it assumes the reader already has the facts it cites in hand. In fact, I have none. I DON'T know whether the undamaged passports were actually found among the rubble. I DON'T know that the security cameras saw no Arab passengers get on board. I don't even know if there WERE security cameras. No sources are cited in the article. So how can I check?

Similarly, your response to my statement that demolishing the building makes no sense is to follow the money trail. But you have not been much help there. Silverstein's purchase of the buildings is asserted. But again no sources are cited. Nor are there sources for the asbestos problem. Nor are there sources for the mysterious stock purchases (although I remembering hearing that on the news before it mysteriously became a non-story.)

Finally, Silverstein’s videotaped quote about “pulling” the building is given without ANY context. You supply the context, telling me that pulling the building means to demolish it. How do I know that context is correct? Is it not possible that Silverstein was referring to “pulling” the firefighters out of the building? (Thus the avoiding the loss of many more lives.) Further, if these crooks are so inept as to admit to demolishing the building on TV, then how could they possibly have pulled this caper off?

Given the sad state of the media, we cannot expect them to do anything but abet a cover up. So we’re on our own here. Let’s make it as easy as we can on each other by sticking together and citing our sources.

In this case, like it or not, the burden of proof is not on Bush and his cronies, but on you. If you want the American people to believe that their president deliberately slaughtered them, you'd better have some cold hard proof. It will take something more than "I saw it on the internet."

I hope this is taken as the constructive criticism I intend it to be. Thank you.

Kira,
Maybe Flight 93 was supposed to hit building 7

This one's for Jimmo:

Rich Procter: 'Bush won't send his kids — why should you?'

Jimmo,

Why did Karl Rove lie? The liberals did not oppose the war in Afghanistan against the Taliban. MoveOn did not post any ads about 9/11 in 2001 or 2002 or 2003. This man is evil.

Hi, Tim #35 - You must be a newby. We've been thru all this on previous threads. Kira is a busy lady, but no doubt can produce her sources. I'm sure she'll get back to you if and when she has the time. Your comments ARE taken constructively. Thank you.

Tim #35 --- I think there is an assumption (right or wrong) on the part of people who have done a ton of research on 9/11 that there are basic undisputed facts that we all agree on.

Kind of like when you know something inside and out, you just assume everyone else knows these things. Even if they don't. Ya know? I know I've been guilty of this in other scenarios.

One place to start is www.911truth.org, which should lead you to many other sources of information. Most of this has been vetted and revetted by the best of the 9/11 researchers. You might also visit www.911citizenswatch.org for some good articles. They seem to keep on top of things.

I mean no disrespect whatsoever. Just trying to help with the psychology of it all.

It's amazing (and extremely encouraging) to me that this topic is being addressed all over the Internet nowadays, when just a year ago, it was still "fringe", when I was first looking at it. Now, it doesn't matter what comment section or discussion forum, somebody inevitably brings it up! Wow.

Well done, Tim. Make Kira work for it!

As to this:

"We've been attempting to track down Kristen Breitwesier, whose husband was killed on 9/11 for this weekend's BRAD SHOW."

I think someone needs a nap.

Missing comma now added. Nap to come sometime in the not-too-distant future. Maybe. Thanks

Tim #35

Sorry about that link --- here it is:
Really News 9/11 Investigations

Sheesh --- Tim, are you really on my side?

I've been researching this thing since sometime last year. I would hope you might take time to do some of the work yourself --- if you really are on my side.

You need to view the clip of Silverstein – maybe you need to watch the entire video (America Rebuilds - The Video --- buy it here, only $29.95.)

If you really are on my side, you will be able to find answers to most of your questions easily by searching the ‘net. Go to the links provided and then seek out more.

I’m giving info regarding the most difficult, the asbestos question.
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Why would they want to demolish the WTC? It had been losing money for years. Its the most valuable piece of real estate in the world, but the buildings themselves were a disaster. Under tenanted and beset by asbestos problems, the owner, the NY Port Authority had received warnings that it was sitting on a legal and financial time bomb. And of course, they couldn't be demolished because of all the asbestos dust that would go into the air of NY. The NYPA had been trying to sell the buildings for years, and understandably, nobody was interested. In early 2001, the NYPA went to court in a test case, and tried to get its insurance company to pay for asbestos renovations. The case was thrown out. This should have made the buildings even more unsaleable. However, immediately after this, Manhattan property developer Larry Silverstein, who sits on the board of Westfield America, stepped in with a consortium worth $US3.2 billion for a 99 year lease on the site. Westfield Australia directly contributed $A840 million for control of the shopping plaza. Silverstein insured himself for $US3.5 billion per terrorist attack, and Westfield insured itself against terrorism and loss of rental income.

Not long after, when the WTC conveniently disappeared in a terrorist attack - along with building 7 of the complex - it solved the asbestos problem, leaving Silverstein with a clean building site on the best real estate in the world, and Westfield with a rental income which probably would have been unsustainable in a real trading environment, and no law suits over all the asbestos dust released into the air of Manhattan. Silverstein's insurer has agreed to the $3.5 billion pay out, but Silverstein is claiming that it was two terrorist attacks and wants $ 7 billion, which is currently the subject of a court case.
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Port Authority of NY & NJ Bid for Asbestos Removal
PA Construction Advertisements Archive
Date Advertised: Tuesday, September 12, 2000
THE PORT AUTHORITY OF NEW YORK AND NEW JERSEY ADVERTISEMENT Sealed proposals for the following Contract will be received by the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey at the Bid Desk located in Room 72W, One World Trade Center, New York, NY 10048, until 2:30 p.m. on Tuesday, October 17, 2000, at which time it will be publicly opened and read in Room 72E. Contract documents may be obtained upon receipt of a non-refundable payment of $100 per set. Only company checks or money orders payable to "The Port Authority of New York and New Jersey" will be accepted. If checks or money orders for documents are mailed, they should be addressed to the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, One World Trade Center, Contract Desk, Room 72E, New York, NY 10048. For availability of contract documents, call 212-435-7420. Questions by prospective bidders concerning this Contract should be directed to Ms. Carol Ann Kraeuter at 212-435-3718. Contract WTC-115.310 - The World Trade Center Removal and Disposal of Vinyl Asbestos Floor Tiles and Other Incidental Asbestos-Containing Building Materials Via Work Order Estimate Range: $1,000,000 annually Bids due Tuesday, October 17, 2000

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http://www.erisk.com/new..._weekly2001-05-11_01.asp
(This story has been removed from erisk.com’s files.)
May 5 – 11, 2001
“Chalk up one victory for insurers in the escalating asbestos-claims mOlOe: the Port Authority of New York & New Jersey has lost a 10-year-old court battle to get its insurers to pay more than $600 million for removing asbestos from its properties, including the World Trade Center and New York’s airports. The judge ruled that asbestos abatement costs by themselves do not constitute ‘physical loss or damage’ under the Port Authority’s all-risk policies. The agency is considering an appeal.”
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The American Spectator, October 1989
For example, the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey is expecting to pay about $1 billion for the abatement of just the World Trade Center and LaGuardia Airport. (New York City law requires abatement if renovation work is being done, as it is at these buildings.) A report by the Assembly Office of Research in California said that the total cost of removing asbestos from all asbestos-containing buildings in that moderate weather state could be $20 billion.
Thus California and two complexes in New York City are slated to take up almost half of the EPA estimated total cost. According to Stephen L. Schweich, an environmental industry analyst, direct abatement costs could be around $100 billion, and other reputable estimates put the figure as high as $200 billion.
Writing in the June issue of the trade magazine Asbestos Issues, Peter MacDowall, a widely respected industry consultant and analyst, and Ehud Mouchy, a real estate consultant, estimate total abatement costs at (Gulp!) more than $2 trillion over the next three decades, a figure which includes not only the direct cost of abatement, as the EPA's does, but lost wages due to displacement and other incidental costs.
Under the EPA's 1974 national emission standard for hazardous air pollutants, anyone who wants to tear down or renovate a building must remove the friable asbestos-containing materials first. As a consequence of this, and of the possibility of lawsuits from persons claiming asbestos exposure, prices of asbestos-containing buildings have fallen precipitously – as much as ten percent in Manhattan, with greater losses in other cities.
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British Asbestos Newsletter
Issue 23 : Spring 1996
"In December T&N, formerly the largest asbestos company in Britain, reached a favorable settlement with the Port Authority (PA) of New York and New Jersey, the body responsible for JFK, La Guardia and Newark airports and the World Trade Center. The PA had brought a $600m lawsuit against 37 defendants, including T&N, for asbestos contamination of municipal buildings."
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Asbestos in the World Trade Center (News)
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Now --- did you say you didn't know if Silverstein bought the World Trade Center properties or not?

You said: "Silverstein's purchase of the buildings is asserted. But again no sources are cited." Ummm --- oh dear. Silverstein Properties

Oh, btw, the Looniest Conspiracy Theory was, as I said, "an interesting read", no more --- no less.

Tim #35 - About the arab passengers. The passport of Satam MA Al Suqami was found among the wreckage at the WTC site. As reported by ABC News on September 18, 2001: "Workers finally cracked their way Monday to the lowest underground level below the towers — the PATH subway station that runs to New Jersey.

In the station, searchers found some large air pockets, but no one alive.

The FBI has been conducting a block-by-block "grid search" through lower Manhattan, looking for the voice and flight data recorders of the two aircraft flown into the twin towers.

Investigators discovered the passport of Satam al Suqami, one of the terrorists aboard American Airlines Flight 11." The story has since been pulled from the ABCnews.com site. You can find a reproduction here: http://www.whatreallyhap.../abc_search09182001.html

There is also the problem that some of the suspected hijackers identified by the FBI are still alive and well.

Waleed Al Shehri was identified by the FBI as one of the hijackers but he has shown up alive and well you can find the link to this here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/.../middle_east/1559151.stm

Wail Alshehri, a name used by one of the suspected hijackers on American Airlines Flight 11.

A man by the same name is a pilot whose father is a Saudi diplomat in Bombay. "I personally talked to both father and son today," [said Gaafar Allagany, head of the Saudi Embassy's information center]

This was part of a LA Times story which has since been pulled from the LA Times site.

Abdulaziz Alomari is an example of FBI improvisation. The original pilot for Flight 11 was named as Abdul Rahman Al-Omari, he had lived next door to the nearly framed Adnan Bukhari and they were friends. The problem for the FBI was Al-Omari turned out to be as alive as his friend Bukhari. Undeterred, the FBI found a new Al-Omari to replace the alive "hijacker". There's just one problem with his replacement - he too is alive...
Original named hijacker

Abdul Rahman Al-Omari, a pilot for Saudi Arabian Airlines:

Abdul Rahman Alomari fell victim to a remarkable set of circumstances. Apart from the similarity in names, the interest of investigators was clearly aroused by the fact that he had studied at a Florida flight school, as had several of the suspected hijackers.
Some 60 F.B.I agents and local law enforcement officers ... searched [Alomari's] house for hours, as well as a neighboring house that had been rented by Adnan Bukhari, another pilot trainee from Saudi Arabia and a friend of Mr. Alomari's.

New York Times September 16, 2001
http://www.wanttoknow.info/010915nytimes

Abdulaziz Al-Omari has the same name and birth date as the named FBI "terrorist", but he has no idea how to fly:

"I couldn't believe it when the FBI put me on their list. They gave my name and my date of birth, but I am not a suicide bomber. I am here. I am alive. I have no idea how to fly a plane. I had nothing to do with this."

Mr Al-Omari said his passport was stolen when his apartment in Denver, Colorado, was burgled in 1995. He had been studying engineering at Denver University since 1993. He was given a new passport in Riyadh on December 31, 1995 and returned to America to resume his studies in January 1996

http://www.portal.telegr...s/2001/09/23/widen23.xml

The FBI Director Robert Mueller so far twice has stated that the FBI does not truly know the identities of the Hijackers the media continues to be silent on this. On September 20th, 2001 he stated: I know I said at the outset that I had a high level of confidence on the identities of the hijackers. We have several hijackers whose identities were those of the names on the manifests. We have several others that are still in question. So it's ... the investigation is ongoing, and I am not certain as to several of the others
http://archives.cnn.com/...1/US/09/21/inv.id.theft/

So now we still have no idea as to who the real hijackers were. What we do know is that most of the hijackers were most likely set up.

Asbestos in the twin towers: The High Cost of Asbestos Abatement
Asbestos is a mineral, airborne fibers of which can cause severe and untreatable respiratory disease, with typical latencies of several decades. The recognition of the toxicity of asbestos has led to legislation for its survey and removal from structures. The removal is expensive because the removal operation must be quarantined and subject to rigorous decontamination procedures. Removal of asbestos used as structural fireproofing in steel framed high-rises is complicated by the fact that the fireproofing covers an intricate lattice of steel in the most difficult-to-access places.

Some sense of the cost of removing the asbestos from the Twin Towers can be obtained by the example of 55 Broad Street. The removal of asbestos in that building cost $70 million when it was empty. That was five times the cost of the building's construction 15 years before.

Another example is the 60-story Montparnasse Tower in Paris. Experts estimate that the removal of asbestos from this building would take three years with full evacuation, and ten years if the building were to remain occupied during the operation.

According to Eric Darton's 1999 book on the Twin Towers, the Port Authority had planned to pump $800,000 into the Twin Towers for a variety of improvements, the most costly of which was asbestos abatement (not removal).

A report by the Arnold & Porter law firm provides some details on the asbestos application and removal.

The WTC towers were built from 1968 to 1972. A slurry mixture of asbestos and cement was sprayed on as fireproofing material. But this practice was banned by the New York City Council in 1971. This halted the spraying, but not before hundreds of tons of the material had been applied. Some but not all of it was later removed in an abatement program.

As for the pulling it: It seems odd for him to say they had to pull it when referring to firefighters it just doesn't make sense. Building 7 was never struck by anything but fell like the other buildings with the "pancake effect" How can 3 buildings fall the same way in the same day?

The media will continue to cover up 9/11 and act like the official story is real. They ill conveniently forget statements by people like Rumsfeld who said the following: "It is a truth that a terrorist can attack any time, any place, using any technique and it's physically impossible to defend at every time and every place against every conceivable technique. Here we're talking about plastic knives and using an American Airlines flight filled with our citizens, and the missile to damage this building and similar (inaudible) that damaged the World Trade Center. The only way to deal with this problem is by taking the battle to the terrorists, wherever they are, and dealing with them" October 11th, 2001 Interview with Lyric Wallwork Winik.

Khalid Almihdhar

Great post, Neo! Thanks.

Oops I forgot to remove the reference to Khalid Almihdhar from the bottom of my post. Is there a way you can fix that brad? And maybe fix my links?

One other problem I have found is that Flight 11 left from 2 different gates: Gate 32 and gate 26. Every year the families and flight attendants meet at the gates the only problem is that the flight attendants hold a memorial at one gate while the families hold it at the other being none the wiser. Another problem with Flight 11 is that the flight attendants who made the phone calls dont seem to even be in contact with each other.

Betty Ong and Amy Sweeney relate a hijacking in their phone calls (7). The problem is that the contents of the calls differ considerably, thereby diminishing their conclusiveness. Mrs. Sweeney, for instance, doesn't mention with one word the mace Mrs. Ong is talking about. Instead, she describes a bomb with yellow wires, and this essential detail does not appear in Ong's call. The two women are seemingly not in contact as they don't exchange information. This is not the right place to discuss the inconsistencies of these two calls, but there are many to detect through careful examination. Therefore the identity of the callers and the authenticity of the calls are highly doubtful, particularly since they are not recorded, apart from the first four minutes of the alleged Ong call.

For some reason the flight data for flight 11 is missing

What a splendid thread! Thanks, everybody.

Let me put this question out there: it's easy to just say "the government did it", but how do the Port Authority and Silverstein fit in? What the hell kind of cabal are we talking about here? A quasi-gov't corporation (the PA), a wealthy developer (Silverstein), the President's brother (Marvin), a Secretary of Defense (Rumsfeld, who controlled the ongoing war games), 19 or 20 suicide bombers (or were the planes remote-controlled?), the CIA (which had to have furnished the "hijackers" names), etc. And who oversaw the cover-up? Who got the steel shipped overseas, and locked up the Pentagon video tapes?

It doesn't really sound like "the government did it." It sounds like two or more rogue parties, unofficially and semi-officially, realized they could work together to achieve their separate goals with a single plan.

Who wants to offer a plot scenario?

My heart goes out to Kristin and all the widows and families. She spoke elequantly and what is so sad, she spoke the truth. I am convinced bush, rove and company do not have a conscience. Truth, honor and decency are not a part of their vocabulary. OBL was behind 9-11 and he was not connected to Iraq. They always spin 9-11 to Iraq. Take a geography lesson - Iraq is not near Afganistan. I am convinced this is a corporate oil war. This all goes back to a rigged election. I hate to keep harping on the election, but Iraq is more reason to rig the election. If any one else was elected, there would have been a timeline for departure and heaven only knows about Halliburton!

I am back,been out sick,I just sent an email to huffinton's post asking why brad's blog was removed and informing her that I would not frequent her site again until it is put back on.

Kira #26

Lauren Manning's experience at one of the Towers was awful, unfortunate but explainable.

The Tower was 1353 feet tall. A jet had crashed it just about the time she had arrived. Tons of jet fuel was pouring from the ruptured fuel tanks and in flames. The fuel would have quickly flowed to and poured into the elevator shafts.

Falling at increasing speed of graivity-32 feet per second per second it would take only 8 seconds to hit the speed of 247 ft per second and have fallen 1134 feet (as an expample), and a billowing cloud of very hot burning fuel would rise up and fill the elevator shaft just at that unfortunate time of her getting to that area.

The 911 commission was 'half-assed' and incomplete, an exercise in high level white wash. There is too much information hidden away by this administration which a real "investigation" should have demanded to see. Conspiracy-damn right, what else could be in play here? Unfortunately, Lauren's elevator shaft is just a part of this tragedy.

Mugzi #47 - I never really bought the OBL did 9/11 bit. It just seems a little convenient a cover. Somehow on 9/11 Osama Bin Laden made his way to the top of the list of people who did it within a couple of hours after 9/11 happened. If the government claims they had no idea 9/11 was going to happen and they had no foreknowledge how would they have been able to figure out it was OBL within a few hours? It just seems weird that he went to the top and no one asked any questions.

Kira and all: Thanks for the links. I guess I've got my work cut out for me now.

Hi Tim,
Thank you for being a willing researcher! We all benefit from those who will join in and help out. Sorry if I was short with you in my reply.

As per your comment about my expecting you to "unconditionally accept" what I post --- I certainly never ask that of anyone. We all must research what is posted on the net and try to weed out the truth from the fiction. That's why it's so important for us all to work together.

There is an overwhelming amount of information gathered on the subject of 9/11, some is good and some is not. When the big money power players are involved, it is always more difficult to find the truth because they have the ability to cover up their actions --- at least for awhile.

Neo - here's a tool for making links:

Bradblog Community HTML Assistant

Thanks Kira I will remember this in the future

Cole --- I've heard that the elevators in the WTC went to a certain point and then passengers had to get off to get on another elevator to continue on to the top.

Do you know about this? Do you know if there is a picture of the WTC plans online? I just wonder if the elevator shaft was actually continuous from the point of impact or not.

The other question is whether the fuel actually did flow out or did it combust before it had a chance to flow?

Also - would the jet fuel, which is like Kerosene be hot enough to cause the intense heat that Ms. Manning encountered?

Studies have been done on the intense hot spots that lasted for weeks, that melted the steel into molten puddles. The question is how that could happen with the lower burning temperatures of the jet fuel combined with all the other combustibles contained in the Towers that should not have generated that level of heat.

Questions, questions, questions....

But then, we're dealing with a group that believes the book of Revelations is coming true as we speak (as long as they help God out a little by creating the war in the Middle East.) They aren't the least bit concerned by totally mysterious and miraculous events not based on facts or science.

I almost hate to do this, but, David Horsey has captured the essence of one of the asses of evil - from The Seattle Post-Intelligencer

#57

News flash: Rove is in hiding.

Can you find him? [ Image available . . . ]

A question that just occurred to me: If I recall the video of the collapse correctly, the floors that initially failed were right at the point of impact where the flames were most intense. So, to initiate a controlled demolition from that height, they would have had to plant the explosives in office space high in the towers. Then they would have had to make sure that the pilots hit pretty near the correct floors. I'm not a demolition expert or a pilot. But both things sound rather tricky to pull off.

(Conversely, if the video shows that the collapse initiated below the point of impact or well above it, that would be strong evidence of an inside job, I think.)

If it wasn't terrorists aboard the planes, where did they get the expertly trained pilots willing to run this suicide mission? Again, I am working only by gut feel rather than concrete knowledge. But I doubt that you can fly a plane of that size into a building at precisely the right spot working by remote control alone. (On the other hand, I've always found it hard to accept that terrorists whose only flight training was a short course on prop planes would have a clue about how to fly an airliner at all, let alone with such deadly accuracy.)

Another point that disturbs me about conjectures that this was totally an inside job: If your objective is to start a war with Iraq, why not make your fake hijackers Iraqis? Why make them all Saudis when your such good buddies with the royal family?

Tim,

Saudis --- Red Herring?

Have you looked at this passenger list puzzle by Gary North? (I'm no fan of Gary North, but his article is extremely provocative. I haven't looked into all the links to check it out --- just found it yesterday.)

The Official Death Lists For All Four 911 Airliners
Are Missing 36 Or 37 People Including All "19 Terrorists"
These Four Airliners Were Also Somehow Averaging 70% Empty

by Mark R. Elsis, http://Lovearth.net, September 9, 2003

With
FBI Releases Updated List Of Alleged Hijackers
AP, Friday, September 28, 2001

The Perplexing Puzzle Of The Published Passenger Lists
by Gary North

"One has to speak out and stand up for one's convictions.
Inaction at a time of conflagration is inexcusable."
Mohandas Gandhi .com

As for the demolition ideas I'm just going to touch on this idea I have --- why is it so difficult for people to believe that the explosives were put in place in advance? They must have been --- how else could the WT7 have been done already? No one can convince me that these were not professional demolitions. There's absolutely no way all 3 of those buildings would have come down in that obvious expert demolition manner, especially #7 which should not have received enough damage to fall the way it did.

Nope --- they all came straight down. That's just too neat.

Btw --- I'm listening to the BradShow right now, so I'll have to get back later on this when I'm not distracted

Tim: the theory of explosives being placed WAY beforehand (for various reasons, some explicated in this thread) and insulated from fires (to avoid inadvertant demolition) has been put forth previously (i'll find links later, dammit.. it's 4:23am in Italy). Could be that the impacts cut off detonation mechanism, leaving upper 'trunks' intact to fall over the rest. Keep in mind thermodynamics while watching the videos of the towers coming down. A "pancake effect" would have to cause braking of the fall, whilst the 'trunks' fall as if they had only air under them. This implies that the floors below impact were disintigrating before the floors above fell on them, hence controlled demolition. Read up on fire damage to skyscrapers as well. Screw Kira working for your knowledge, YOU work for it.

As to the objective, Iraq was not the end-all of it. Iraq was an oil rich bonus in this plan (if it exists, I am merely citing the overwhelming circumstantial evidence that suggests such a plan) The objective is a 'war on terrorism' which is like saying a 'war on unpleasantness', i.e. subjective in definition and eternal in execution... when will we have defeated 'terrorism'? Read 1984 by Orwell to understand what the advantages of an eternal war, real or fictitious, may be.

Find out how long the concept of a bogus terrorist attack to justify American aggression goes back. (Project Northwoods for your googling pleasure)

Visit the Project for a New American Century website.

The Global Hawk tech allows for RC jets.. maybe or maybe not more plausible than COINTELPRO brainwashed fanatics.

Browse these threads, friend... and google-up, or follow links to get a lot of info (and maybe some disinfo.. lots of simil-COINTELPRO vultures out there). Mentally sort and contemplate. The "6 or 7" dedicated patriots here are already overtaxed in their efforts. I, ashamed, admit to being one of the "x>7" that just searches, thinks, assimilates and doesn't contribute to the group mind.

But on what i've seen, without drawing conclusions per se, I cannot accept the "official version" of 9-11. Nor lame variants thereof.

To come back to topic, Kristen Breitweiser deserves a real answer rom the admin spinmeister. I seriously doubt she'll get it.

Zejith Themis
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Rereading my post, I see i left out the "f" in "from the admin spinmeister" and the "screw Kira working for your knowledge" might be read wrong.. I meant "screw Kira HAVING to work for your knowledge"

I apologize for any other unnoticed errors, I don't write much in English these days.

Get knowledge, folks, or the brainwashers win. Speculating with "benefit of doubt" in mind is the same as giving up.

Zejith Themis
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Greetings Zejith Themis! Thanks for your input.

We need more input from our neighbors around the globe, since we are under an iron curtain these days as far as propaganda goes.

Thanks for pointing out PNAC and prolonged war benefits to certain elites & corporation. Also thanks for the info you provided (even if we have to look up our own links - we can handle that!)

The war on "terrorism" --- it's bad. With the Patriot Act, it's of much concern to those of us who dissent for love of our country.

I'll have to come back to your post tomorrow after some sleep, myself. Thanks again & hope you will come back with links if you have time!

Oh - and no problem - I understood your first screw Kira post! :haha:

Kira #55 - No Kira you cannot find the WTC plans anywhere. The government will not release the floor plans to the public and is keeping them safe.

Tim #59 - Well Tim most of the pilots had very little training in flying a plane and the maneuvers they pulled off seemed a little too professional or precise to make the hits. It kind of reminds me of one of the episodes from the short run Lone Gunmen series where a remote controlled plane is flown into the towers (or actually came close before it was stopped). As for the Pentagon plane. Its original course was on a direct path to the White House for some reason it turned halfway to Washington and circled around to hit the pentagon. Why didnt the plane hit the direct center as would be logical? The pilot would have had to center with the horizon and would logically use the center of the building as a guide to make a direct hit.

The original furvor was that they were Middle Easterners no one seemed to care they were "saudis." We have always been in good with the Saudis even though congress knows they were Saudis does it even seem to matter? Nothing has been done about the Saudis.

Kristen Breitweiser's open letter was a spectacular piece of writing, the very quietness contained in its tone made it a far, far louder fulmination.

Somehow criticism of the administration sounds purer and stronger when it comes from a patriotic Republican like Kristen Breitweiser.

Not much Rove can do about this one. She's not a liberal, she isn't weak, and she doesn't hate America. But she's got Bush figured out to a "T."

Kira #55
Answers Answers Answers
Wish I had 'em.

guess's I got --like these:
Elevators in sections, probably. But the shaft in the center containing 47 (?) steel support beams was continuous. Liquid jet fuel would have poured everywhere and via that shaft right straight down!
Burning fuel at the basement would have vented into whatever shaft it could, including elevator shafts.

Molten metal puddles found. Lots of metal in the Tower like copper, tin. Those have lower melting points so more likely than steel.

But that is an interesting point. The steel beams all failed and were chugged away, too quickly, to be sent over seas, in 30 foot sections! To me, that indicates that the beams 'all' failed at the oriiginal welds. Perhaps it was well know to our Conspirators who knew that the welds were 'all' weak points that would melt out. Or quickly crack under stress. Explosives not needed, just high heat from burning jet fuel and the welds fail and the buildings drop like a rock.

Is that why a Tower was chosen as the site for a basement car bomb explosion before? Give it a good shake and watch it plummet?

Was building 7 of similar construction? It may be that a few small explosive devices well placed will do. Are our 'high rise' buildings made to fail?

Is there anything that this bush-transparent-govt does not hide?

Q's Q's Q's

STAY OUT OF TALL BUILDINGS

Rove's comments and the firestorm that resulted should expose the myh that he is a "certified genius." In fact, Rove is nothing more than a political hack who knows how to use appeals to fear to divide the country, a petty criminal (and maybe not-so-petty) who uses illegal means to steal elections all his career. If you haven't, read the book, BUSH'S BRAIN.

Cole #68

Watch this movie:

Reopen9/11.org movie

Go here for more:
Reopen9/11.org

And here:
Confronting the Evidence

Cyteria, you are so right. Everybody should watch "Bush's Brain."

I found a few interesting links. The info may be part of what Kira and others have posted, but still worth reading in their own right. Here's my own detective work using google, things *I* didn't know til now:

This site has pictures and commentary on various videos and sounds of the WTC collapse, especially commenting on videos the US media didn't show:

Demolition of the World Trade Center

At the end of the article there is a link to:

Exactly How and When Could the WTC Be Wired With Explosives? Answer...

I read through the comments on this, and found an article that has more information:

Pre-9/11 World Trade Center Power-Down

Here are a few snippets from that article:

Did the World Trade Center towers undergo a deliberate “power-down” on the weekend prior to the 9-11 terrorist attacks? According to Scott Forbes, a senior database administrator for Fiduciary Trust, Inc. – a high-net investment bank which was later acquired by Franklin Templeton – this is precisely what took place. Forbes, who was hired by Fiduciary in 1999 and is now stationed at a U.K. branch office, was working on the weekend of September 8-9, 2001, and said that his company was given three weeks advance notice that New York’s Port Authority would take out power in the South Tower from the 48th floor up. The reason: the Port Authority was performing a cabling upgrade to increase the WTC’s computer bandwidth.

In addition, Forbes says there were other peculiarities revolving around this unreported event, including:

4) Last but not least, Ann Tatlock, CEO of Fiduciary Trust and now a board member of Franklin Templeton, had just arrived at a conference hosted by Warren Buffet at the Offutt Air Force Base (home of the U.S. Strategic Command Headquarters in Omaha, Nebraska) when the 9-11 attacks took place. Coincidentally, later that day President George W. Bush flew into this very same base on Air Force One for “security reasons.” Even more chilling are the Offutt AFB ties to the CIA’s MK ULTRA experiments, Project Monarch, the Franklin Cover-Up, and the diabolical practices of Michael Aquino. (Type any of these words into a search engine for more information.)

In the end, Forbes says that even though these disclosures could jeopardize his current employment, he has stepped forward because, “I have mailed this information to many people, including the 9/11 Commission, but no one seems to be registering these facts.”

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Ronald Breitweiser, 39, husband of Kristen Breitweiser, was a senior vice president with Fiduciary Trust International. It would be interesting to know if she has made any comments about the "power down" of the WTC towers on the weekend before 9-11.

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About the Warren Buffett event, I found the following. It's somewhat repetitive, but it does have interesting information about Warren Buffet:

Bush and Buffett Convergence on 911?

One part of the text has some interesting info and a quote from Kristin Breitweiser. Note that Fiduciary was a leaseholder of the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey.

Snippets:

Kristen Breitweiser, whose husband died in the trade center Sept. 11 while working for Fiduciary Trust and who is a leader of September 11th Advocates, said about Kean, "Assuming he has no conflicts, I hope he can do the job that needs to be done."

Breitweiser noted that Fiduciary was a leaseholder of the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, which would be part of the investigation. -USA Today (12/16/02)

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Oh, and BTW, Warren Buffett is on the Board of Directors of the Washington Post Company:

WaPo Company Directors

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Wow! Thanks VG --- I found some new stuff in your post for me, too!

Kira et al.,

I had to share this personal note. I just got off the phone after a 2+ hour conversation with my 88 year old mother. I asked if she had heard about the Downing Street Minutes and the Conyers petition, and she hadn't. But, I told her that I had signed the petition on the internet in her name. She said, oh, yes that's fine. And then, she had some comments about Bushco.

"Bush, he might be nice looking in some ways, but he always has this smug smile that says I’m right. He has the whole place in a mess. He has the whole area (Iraq etc.) in a mess. He wants to spread Democracy all over the world. Why doesn’t he just let them (those countries) worry about that? This Rove that guides him, he’s not going to admit to anything, he’s very determined in what he says, you know. Maybe he (Bush) should send his two girls to Iraq."

Hmm... she reads the LA Times every day, but doesn't listen to radio or watch TV. She does talk to anyone and everyone in the local donut shop and at the supermarket. Granted, she lives in California and drives a 1967 VW bug, but other than that... is she a "wingnut"?

VG

Thanks for sharing, VG. Your mom is a smart lady and a free-thinker. Is that what the 'pubs mean by "wingnut"? :laughs:

My folks are 80 and they aren't fooled for 1 second by bu$hco propaganda. Rock on Elders!

More links regarding the heat and explosions:

Thermite experiment 2001

Then at What Really Happened:
Thermite and the WTC Collapses

[snip] What caused the steel to melt? How did it stay molten for weeks after the collapses? How did fires in the WTC wreckage manage to burn for more than 3 months?

Thermite provides a plausible answer.

A thermite reaction generates extraordinarily high temperatures (>2500° C) and it provides a credible explanation for the fires, hot spots and molten steel (a by-product of the thermite reaction) found in the collapsed buildings - they were a result of thermite detonations in the buildings' basements on 9/11. [snip]

(Make sure to watch the video (reported on FOX) of the blast of white smoke coming from the bottom of WTC One, seconds before its collapse.)

Ground Zero's Fires Still Burning

* 11:20 03 December 2001
* Jonathan Beard, New York

Almost 12 weeks after the terrorist atrocity at New York's World Trade Center, there is at least one fire still burning in the rubble - it is the longest-burning structural fire in history.

Kristen's full letter is awesome.

Karl has no answers.

Just wanted to tell everyone that I translated Ms. Breitweiser's letter in toto and included it in an HTML newsletter I send out to friends here in Italy.

Italian news (the 3 major private networks are owned by PM Berlusconi's company and, of course, state TV is also in his hands) is no better than US MSM.. just less jingoism and more vapid talk shows and T&A to replace real info. (can't get T&A on american network TV... here it's in bottled water ads *BFG*)

I have in the past also placed paraphrase of the DSM story, alternative 911 theories, the Callipari shooting (got little play here, even tho it's an italian story! think I got that stuff somewhere else tho..), and the C. Curtis and Ray Lemme info in this NL (called "la gazzetta del-lo tardivo", the gazzette of "da" tardy).

Most don't have a clue about much of anything going on in the sole superpower... and only about half react positively to getting informed. *sigh* bleah.

bring da truth, an friggin hope it DOES set us free!

y'allz rock.

Zejith Themis
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Kira
Don't know if you are still following this thread, but I just came across this http://www.arcticbeacon....rticle/1518131/28031.htm
regrding explosions in the basement at WTC.

I don't know if this is old news to you or not, but it is one more interesting eyewitness account.

Hi Bluebear2!

Yes - I actually had been reading this - just last night! Thanks for providing the link for others.

Here are some other links of note regarding same subject:

Bellaciao article on William Rodriguez

Also, listen to him here:

Radio Dialect Excerpts
World Trade Center Janitor talks about his experiences

Posted by martian on Monday June 13 2005 1:25 am

Stream

Or --

Download

Very interesting?

Also, Peg C. posted this on another thread:

Former British MI5 Agent says 9/11 was an inside job

Maybe it's the human cheater strategists.

amsterdam.nettime.org/Lists-Archives/nettime-l-0303/msg00088.html

Since the impossible has already happened, 9/11, the Patriot Act, the Aggressive War against Iraq, the American people doing nothing in the face of murder in their name and with their tax dollar (along with their inactivity in response to the theft of the presidency in both 2000 and 2004); maybe it's time to consider the impossible, the extreme, the objectionable. The above site is all that. My first reaction was this is totally insane . . . my second, what if it's true (even in half).

This all encompassing theory joins David Icke's as the most extreme I have come across. Though Icke's alien reptiles may actually represent this theories mutant psychopaths.

Not to keep us off topic (maybe there should be a thread for this stuff?), but my tinfoil hat's been sitting in the closet too long

4545SNEL:

Of course, all such theories about psychopaths banding together (with or without alien reptillian cause/help) are considered by most as the stuff that fills tinfoil-hats to the brim... but I can't help feeling that it does explain the total lack of empathy, the living in wishful thinking and the stone wall of bizzarro logic that these folks demonstrate while still managing to stay on top.

Here's another site that runs along those lines--
Signs Of The Times- Quantum future group
folks into the channelling stuff come up with so much of this. I wonder if it's a consensus fanasy (albeit quite plausible) or if they really have some pipeline to clear vision.

My personal jury's still out on this stuff. I just know the folks in office are most certainly crazier that the folks writing the stuff on the above link.

hope I understood correctly that links can be done with simple HTML code *fingers crossed*

Zejith Themis
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Ok, that was dumb.. didn't link to the home page, or the site map as intended, but to their freaky-headline gathering page. Fun stuff, tho...

Sorry, the real links as follows..

Quantum future group sitemap what I wanted to post originally, but even better:
Psychopathy:The Mask of Sanity Free *.PDF book- right click and "save as" if you don't want it to open in the browser

Ahrrrg... whar be me links, ye scurvy server?

QFG sitemap

Mask Of Sanity PDF

Ahrrr... shiver me hypertext!

.:ZT-TS:.
407-460

Nice puppy - roll over boy.

...4545snel #81:
:heheh: I like that link! What a fun read - and I agree with much of it. The War-mongers are, imho, definitely 'paths.

Really interesting, especially when you consider all the flora/fauna of nature that survive by cheating. How about the carnivorous plant that exudes the scent of rotting meat in order to trap flies for its dinner!

...Zejith Themis #82-#84:

We have a great online tool created by Torqued, a blogger here, that makes the html links for you:

The BRAD BLOG Community Assistant

Have you read that (nearly) 500 page pdf doc. Mask of Sanity? I haven't had time, yet. I'll have to browse the chapter index.

Haha! I like your Pirate-Speak!

Cleckley's Mask of Sanity is a great book.

Here's another one The Sociopath Next Door, Stout
http://www.amazon.com/ex...amp;s=books&n=507846

Without Conscience, Hare
http://www.amazon.com/ex...amp;s=books&n=507846

Kristen Breitwesier, I can only imagine the pain caused by rove, cheney and W and their off the wall comments. It only shows they have no understanding of personal loss, but only political gain. Please don't think all Americans believe one minute the crap they spew out. The terrible trio and their spin, is nothing but lies, deceit, not to mention personal financial gain. Impeachment is the only answer.

I'm more interested in HOW EXACTLY ARE YOU? Is there anything I can do to help?