Two questions:

1. If the facts are wrong, why weren't they refuted during the British election campaign?

2. Will our media investigate to find out whether the minutes are accurate, or will it check "two sources" (Bush and Blair) and declare they aren't?

"No, the facts were not being fixed in any shape or form at all."

How convenient that Bush let Blair speak for him.

If they actually were to impeach Bush over this, would Cheney also get impeached? Get rid of Bush and guess who's in charge?

Hiya losers! You had your 90 seconds of fame today. Now it is a dead story.

Nobody CARES!

If Mr. Conyers had spent less time on this none issue and more time working with GM perhaps GM would not be CLOSING factories in his state!

Everybody that loses their GM job in Michigan should go and knock on Mr. Conyer's door and ask him for a job because it is HIS FAULT!

Interesting Blair didn't say anything about the "Intelligence." And, dear lord , what in the world did the resident say? :shakes head: I think he's getting worse. The dementia must be settling in and blossoming.

Wait, I'm confused. I thought because no WMD's were ever found in Iraq that Saddam actually had complied with the U.N resolution. He let inspectors in. He had no weapons. Am I mistaken? Knowing what we do now I don't see how anyone could claim the reason we were forced to go in was because Saddam didn't comply. I never cease to be amazed at what these assholes will say wtih a straight face. In this instance Blair was particularly disturbing. He lies so comfortably.

Like Olbermann said tonight "Is this a dead story from here on out"?

Yup, you betcha Keitho!

By the way, Oreilly's viewers are still about 2.3 million; about 700,000 more than some liberals whiny liar tried to imply and 10 times Olbermans!

Did anyone expect either of them to tell the truth? How would that go?

Well ... er ... we didn't intend for this information to be public knowledge, but now that Steve has asked ...

Yes! The so-called Downing Street memo from July 2002 which says intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy of removing Saddam through military action IS an accurate reflection of what happened. Any other questions?

David Lasagna, I think I hear your mother calling you to come home for supper.

ya, the facts were not being fixed but hell yes, the intelligence was. Blair is an amazing liar!

MSNBC.com

BAGHDAD, Iraq - Former dictator Saddam Hussein will stand trial for a range of charges — from gassing thousands of Kurds to executing political and religious leaders, according to a list of the cases against him obtained from the special tribunal Monday.

Saddam could face up to 500 charges at the tribunal, but he will be tried on only 12 well documented counts because prosecuting him on all would be a “waste of time,” the prime minister’s spokesman said Sunday.

Laith Kuba also said Saddam was likely to be tried within the next two months on a range of charges, including alleged crimes committed in Iraqi Kurdistan.

“There should be no objection that a trial should take place within that time,” Kuba said during a press conference. “It is the government’s view that the trial of Saddam should take place as soon as possible.”

Focus high-profile cases
A list obtained by The Associated Press early Monday from the special tribunal, which will hear the case against Saddam and 11 of his henchmen, showed that prosecutors seem to be concentrating on 14 cases concerning his alleged crimes. Many received international attention during Saddam’s three decades in power.

The list contained few details, but among the crimes the tribunal says Saddam committed were:

Executing at least 50 Iraqis in 1982 in the Shiite town of Dujail, 50 miles north of Baghdad, in retaliation for a failed assassination attempt against Saddam.

Killing and deporting 8,000 members of the powerful Kurdish Barzani tribe, of which the current Kurdistan Democratic Party leader, Massoud Barzani, belongs.

The 1988 chemical weapons attack on the Kurdish town of Halabja that killed an estimated 5,000 people.

Executing prominent religious and political figures.
Ordering the seven-month occupation of Kuwait that was ended by the 1991 U.S.-led Gulf War.

The 1991 suppression of a Shiite uprising in southern Iraq

HEY LASAGNA: YOU WOULD HAVE LEFT HITLER IN CHARGE ALSO! SHAME ON YOU!

The United States was committed to war in the summer of 2002. That's the time when the Bush administration was telling the UN Security Council that a tough UN resolution on weapons inspections might just avoid war in Iraq (The memo proves the exact opposite, but evidently we're to believe that the Bush administration was trying to avoid war, not bend the facts in order to start one).

JCB:

You people just don't get it do you?

It does not matter.

The story is officially DEAD now. You liberals nuts shot your wad tonight and it is now officially off the radar scope of everybody that ever felt they owed you a favor!

You got your "whole story" owed you tonight and that is the END of it!

Goodnight!

Question to Brad

Why in the world do you let a piece of garbage like Jimmo post anything? The Right wing blogs will not allow any dissention on their web sites, yet you allow this moron to spew his crap. He states that those on this blog are losers, yet he is always here himself. Since he seems to love voicing his remarks in an attempt to get a rise from everyone, perhaps the best thing you could do is let him keep coming back to this blog, but don't print anything he has to say. That would probably kill him, having a mouth full of shit but no where to deposit it.

Jimmo, first of all I'm ashamed that we may or may not have the same name, second, check google, the story is just beginning. This thing has legs and it will carry on a lot longer then you will be able to stomach. So goodnight to YOU!

Robert, because Brad is better than the "Right wing blogs". He doesn't censor. He believes in the US Constitution and the right to the freedom of speech.

The whack job trolls that embarrass themselves here have not turned day into night or white into black. They are completely ineffective.

Brad and the 6 or 7 continue to fight the good fight while the moron trolls continue to ignore the facts. It's their loss, not Brad's.

Yes, Very Worried, Brad does believe in freedom of speech, and ... he also enjoys a little bit of comic relief!

"No, the facts were not being fixed in any shape or form at all."... doesn't answer the question that was asked..

also the question itself is a bad one... "Were the facts being fixed" - The facts are facts, when broken they become fiction.

We were given some facts and some fiction to manipulate or "fix" the REASONING to go to war... it had nothing to do with changing the state/shape or form of a fact. It had to do with bullshitting us with false reasons to go to war.

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Oh and Jimmo.. Surely there are millions who should go and knock on Bush's door then?

or do your bush-fanboy-tinted glasses stop you from seeing that larger issue?

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In fact (no pun intended)... was it not the "intelligence" that was fixed around the policy? (I'm sure I heard it referred to as that on one document!?)

Either way.. I'm just trying to highlight how Blair ducked the question using a 'slight of tongue' in the english language.

NPR had it's (first?) broadcast at about 8:00 pm CDT about the Bush/Blair press thing. They mentioned the DSM. I was busy, didn't listen, thought I'd catch it later.

Next news hour the DSM was not mentioned. I haven't heard it since.

Let's see --- if the "facts were not being fixed in any shape or form at all" then were the facts being bent and molded to suit the fancies of geedubya & tony b.liar??? Why not?

Okay,
My earlier comment was my first ever on one of these comment formats and now I see why people don't use their full names. So I'm thinking of assuming an email alter ego. I don't know, say maybe Jim or Jimmo or James or even JimmyBoy. Then I can really get into a multiple personality disorder kind of jag and just spew random incoherent shit about people sleeping with pictures that they themselves drew with crayolas of Hitler speaking in tongues to baby chicks that are dressed up to look like Fox News Celebrities. And I swear that I saw that guy who's been bugging me do just that. He lives right down the street.

I think Blair is here because of the DSM. It is very slowly
gaining momentum. Bushco is worried. Rove had this planned for weeks.

One of the few things the President said clearly was;

"The hardest things I do as the President is to try to comfort families who’ve lost a loved one in combat."

Yeah, it must be hard when you don't attend the funerals of the men and women you send into harms way. Send a letter George, that will make up for their loss.

* the sarcasm note was added for those Bush supporters who might not understand nuance in the English language.

It is true.... I approach the Brad, Conyers and Raw Story Blogs primarily to follow the awesome story that is truly unfolding all around us at lightning speed. You bet this story has legs and they are running, spreading in every direction faster than I can keep up with it.

Witness the latest story in MSM Washington Post and especially in the
live discussion with Jefferson Morley of the Post. Really gave some sense that we just might be headed in the right direction. Just need to keep on Making Some Noise. It's not a dead story at all!

Then too, I do get a kick out of seeing what the "Hanks" and "Jim from Ohio" or whatever he is that troll and dish out the crap have to throw out. I hope they're not being paid to do it since they do it so badly. It really does let us know that this is actually starting to shake up some fools out there that can't actually engage in the discussion but just keep throwing out the garbage.

Not sure we've gotten to that point yet, but you can almost picture the "war room" that GW has going on to try to blow this off the track. Just awesome Bradster!
Keep keeping everyone making some huge noise. It's being heard!!!
Onward!
Gh

Mr Lasagna,
Welcome and too funny!

My son 's National Guard unit is going to Irag in Sept-Jan. Why aren't Americans outraged that Bushco cut vet's benefits? And he has never attended a funeral.
It really pisses me off!!!

I always used to wonder why people always talked so much about watergate & "deep throat" (shame, public school never discussed it). I chalked it up to some generational thing - a story that related to the people of that era that stayed with them. I knew about the details of a break in & some tapes & nixon being impeached; but I didn't understand exactly what it meant.

Now with this downing street minutes being exposed, I'm starting to understand how society starts to come to grips with "crooks" running the white house. Only in this case I also consider them murderous war criminals. I can't wait till my kids one day ask me where I was the day they sentenced & jailed Bush, Cheney, & co.

One of the few things the President said clearly was; I might be the supreme leader of the free world but its better if this guy (blair) answers first so I can get some pointers as my earpiece is not working at the moment.

Can somebody explain why the level of bombing missions in Iraq's "no fly zones" increased before the "approval" was obtained from congress to wage war?
Drop a hundred and fifty tons of bombs per MONTH on anywhere and tell me its not WAR

To Gummbo jimmo :if GM produced the product the customer wanted they wouldn't be in trouble , like WE say the Japanese can make it better,smaller and cheaper ,Conyers isn't at fault in fact Bush is the engineer of your current problems and the people outside of America know that you willingly accept his lies because it would be "Un-American" to question the actions of your "Supreme Leader"

Dang it MMIIXX! If only YOU could have been the journalist asking that $thousand dollar$ question!

Wow, a flat-out denial from Blair and President Cheney's stooge. Well, that is certainly credible by me. Yep, everything they say certainly has the stench of truth to it. Yep, these guys are just victims of the lefties here... JEEEEEEZ!

Maybe, just maybe, Kerry will really launch this when he speaks out on it as promised. It could either be typical chickensh** Kerry looking out for his own (dim) political future by not being too combative--or he could call a big press conference and really catapult this and while he's at it say something about wanting a nationwide paper ballot revote...

He's gotta be pissed. He knows they cheated and stole the election from him; his wife spoke out on such. Payback's a bitch, and he now has some ammo. Let's hope he puts some gunpowder in the frickin' gun and lets loose with both barrels.

Just a reminder as to what Jimmo follows blindly:
A Jimmo Message from President Bush

Really I am starting to feel sorry for him.

Matthew 5:9
Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.

"I will provide a cause for the war. Whether true or not is irrelevant for propoganda purposes."
Adolf Hitler, as shown on a plaque at Auschwitz.

Reference: Linked Here

Please don't feed the trolls. As long as they get direct responses from intelligent people, it makes them feel intelligent. Don't lower yourselves, please!

Repeat questions: "If nothing was being fixed, why did it become an issue in the British election? If Britons couldn't be fooled, why does Blair think Americans can be?"

News item, hot off the presses: For the first time, a clear majority of Americans now believes the war in Iraq has not made us safer. An even clearer majority believes the war wasn't worth fighting.

@Kira.. sorry.. I didn't realize you'd already covered the "intelligence" not the "facts" being fixed issue. Was tired when I posted!!

For Jim Cirile: Kerry was supposed to have spoken out on the Downing Street minutes on Monday. Then it was changed to Tuesday. Then Kennedy spoke instead.

Kerry's brother assured us "We aren't ignoring it (Ohio election fraud)..." This, after Kerry had conceded, but before he took off for Iraq and let Barbara Boxer and Stephanie Tubbs Jones fight the battle for him, and before he sent his wife out to say the election looked rigged while he stayed mute.

Now Kennedy speaks for him on Iraq. Folks, it's about time we admitted something. The John Kerry who fought heroically in Vietnam, then came home and spoke heroically to Congress, is no more. The current John Kerry is an establishment politician, working carefully within the establishment in order to preserve his hopes for 2008.

In other words, HE ISN'T THE MAN WE NEED NOW.

Hi, RLM #35 - I too am really disappointed with Kerry. Leadership is required, and Kerry seems to be kept "silent" by his cohorts, who must assure him they "know better". He is obviously being kept on a short leash, or maybe he's not well, or maybe he serves better in a back office capacity. I don't know. But something in the background, hidden from our sight, is rotting and ripe in the Democratic party. It would be a mistake to vote for the Democratic elites' "chosen one" in 2008. Americans need to identify their own President and V.P: Conyers and Boxer, or many others who have stood up, spoken out, and taken action in order to remove the current political plague sitting in the W.H. and pentagon.

Both Dems and Repubs have establishment or empire blinders on.

They are strengthening the so-called Patriot Act in the very worst areas (link here).

This means looking at anyone's health and financial records without a court's approval, without probable cause ... in essence without any reason other than their own desire to look at our records.

This will be used against blog operators. This is something that should unite bloggers.

bliar and bu$hit doctrine is to silence us. We should do something.

The "fixing of the intellegence" is very consistent with what Bush insiders-at-the-time Ron Suskind and Paul O'Neil say in their books, why is this not brought up anywhere? Wish Colin Powell would write a tell all book

Peggy, in the last hour I received another electronic message from Kerry, talking about kids without health insurance and asking for money (not money for the kids, money for Kerry).

This, after I've send at least five replies to these messages in the past, with the same sentiment...
DON'T TALK TO ME ABOUT ISSUES AND DON'T ASK ME FOR MONEY UNTIL YOU TALK ABOUT THE STOLEN 2004 ELECTION. IF YOUR WIFE KNOWS IT WAS STOLEN, YOU SHOULD KNOW IT, TOO.

No response, ever. No feedback. Just yada, yada, yada about his issue du jour. He wants us to listen to him, but he won't listen to us.

It's true that many Bushniks follow Bush slavishly. But Kerry should know that progressives think for themselves...they don't take orders from computerized political operations. They don't throw good money after bad. And they don't follow a leader who won't lead, like John Forbes Kerry.

Anyone have any suggestions as to how to get the MSM to start listening to us?

All my efforts so far are rather futile.

I agree with robert lockward mills,

1st monday was the day Kerry was going to blast Bush with Downing Street...then Tuesday...now its Wednesday...

Kerry is a plant. Don't expect him to do anything that would challenge his frat brother's position.

Just look at this story from Daily Kos - about Kerry JUST NOW releasing his military records:

"Jesus, they had additional substantive evidence that the Swift Boat Liars were full of shit and refused to release it. The incompetent way that matter was handled knows no bounds. Kerry's excuse?"
http://www.dailykos.com/...nly/2005/6/7/102334/4354

Just fits into a pattern. I constantly mention Skul&Bones because I think this is deeper than just a conspiracy over political power. There's alot of people who have allegencies to something other than what this country stands for (and I'm not talking about just 1 political party). Think about how (almost) air-tight the stolen '04 election was. Yet the gaps are so obvious and so clear. ALOT of people had to be both completely incompetent or negligent for that happen - and I don't think it was by coincidence.

The evidence is clear and apparent, so why the big hold up getting on with impeaching these people?

Any progress on the Downing Street Memo will happen in spite of people like Kerry, not because of him.

The bu$hit doctrine encompases propaganda on all fronts.

It has just been disclosed that documents having to do with the environment/climate were doctored by the WH (link here).

They cheat, lie, kill, maim and torture with impunity, thanks to the MSM.

Mrbluesky, I have an idea about how to get the MSM busy. Since they have no interest in reporting on Bush's lies & crimes, hold them accountable for covering up Bush's lies & crimes. The word COMPLICTY comes to mind. This is already starting to happen, with the MSM losing credibility. But if they are deliberately ignoring evidence, and the result of that is this administration can go forward with further crimes and actions resulting in people's deaths, then that IS complicity.

So a movement against the current political establishment of the Reps (and some elements in the Dem party too) should coincide with a "cleaning house" of all those that deliberately failed the country. This would also include the intelligence community (and NOT because of "poor" intelligence), corporations for their various instrumental roles (too many to name), and maybe even the Supreme Court for their appointing mr. Bush president even with the massive conflicts of interests.

Maybe if we show THAT kind of resolve, the MSM would start reporting it, if not to warn their fellow criminals when to flee the country. As had been done before.

Sojo-

I have contemplated the Skull and Bones conspiracy theory for a while now. Both John Kerry and George Bush were members of the Skull and Bones frat, which at any current time only, I beleive, a few hundred members.

I wonder who else may be a part of that organization and what they have been up to the last 5 years or so.

Anyone know how to find out?

Charlie

Sorry i meant that anytime they have a few hundred living members.

RE: #42 - and "Myron Ebell, who has long campaigned against limits on greenhouse gases as director of climate policy at the Competitive Enterprise Institute, a libertarian group, said such editing was necessary for "consistency" in meshing programs with policy."

Sound familiar?

for Charlie re #44 : try this link

Re: 42 - That's here

Here's yet another example of the media complicitly distorting facts and events to cover for the Bush criminal machine:

The AP transcript says the reporter asked a question which included the phrase, "intelligence and facts remain fixed" around the policy of removing Saddam Hussein, whereas the official White House transcript and account by the Washington Post asserted the reporter said "intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy of removing Saddam through military action."

link

Are we to believe that Blair coincidentally visits Bush, coincidentally gives a press, and coincidentally gets asked one simple question about the memo, and coincidentally Bush turns to Blair for the answer, and coincidentally Blair has a well-crafted answer?

Have I missed something or are the facts are being fixed again? And in essence, all Bush said was, I'm sorry but...

I think they are trying to frame it as a British/Blair thing, and Bush just happens to be mentioned in it. The facts aren't being fixed, they still stand. They are just trying to DISTORT the facts & confuse people into seeing it as not "our problem", of course that makes no sense and that is why the appearance was entirely pointless.

But perhaps it was a smokescreen for Kerry's OOPS Kennedy's mention of the Downing Street Minutes.

Just the same old m.o. of the bu$h WH.

They've been using their own fake scientists to fudge or refute real reports and they "fix the facts" in any arena when the "facts" won't jive with their agenda.

Documenting Exxon-Mobil's funding of climate change skeptics:
Exxon Secrets - CEI

Exxon Secrets - Heritage Foundation

Exxon Secrets - World Climate Report

(On left sidebar, click on "List Organizations" for more.)

Another good page with lots of links:
Source Watch - CEI

The Competitive Enterprise Institute (CEI) calls itself "a non-profit, non-partisan research and advocacy institute dedicated to the principles of free enterprise and limited government." The Boston Globe has called it "one of Washington's feistiest think tanks." CEI's commentaries frequently appear in media venues such as ABC's 20/20, American Spectator, Christian Science Monitor, Consumers' Research, Crossfire, Forbes, Good Morning America, Larry King Live, MacNeil/Lehrer News Hour, Moneyline, New York Times, Policy Review, PBS, Reader's Digest, USA Today, Wall Street Journal, Washington Post and Washington Times. It postures as an advocate of "sound science" in the development of public policy. In fact, it is an ideologically-driven, well-funded front for corporations opposed to safety and environmental regulations that affect the way they do business. **MORE**

Hey Miss Persistent! I've been thinking about you. Glad to see you!

re #52 That's a great post, Kira, and you are a tremendous resource. Thanks again.

For those who doubt that Bush is a liar, please suck on this
All the proof you need

And laugh with the rest of America.

Maybe the Downing Street Memo is through... but usually hyperventilating denials like that argue the story is over so stop thinking about it are really ankle-biting rants from folks who feel so totally chicken about losing their impotence that they just want to deny it (or better yet, force you to submit to them)... In the same way that "small" men want big cars and big muscles... and lose their cool if you offend their fragile egos.

That's why John Bolton forced his first wife, against her will, to have sex with strangers. Such a wuss that he had to take it out on someone who he thought he could bully. That's why all his former employees hated working for him. Pretty typical bully/rapist mentality.

And it really appeals to men who lack emotional maturity and are gripped by feelings of powerlessness (in work, in bed, inside their heads, in their homes), to be obsessed with a powerful bully who will protect them. It's a very primal thing actually, appeals to our basest animal instincts. But really bad if you are trying to develop a moral compass, sense of altruism, and the ability to discern between Good and Evil. You just listen to the alpha-male... whether he is hitler, hussein, the captain of the football team, the anti-christ, or Superman. Sacrifice your will for the will of the leader. No thinking. No worries. Just follow the leader and do what he says. Wolves behave this way. Humans do, if they are weak-minded.

Even if the "small" men with big muscles win this one... Losing to someone who will break every rule to win is what it means to be a hero and a patriot.

I would still stand up for what is right for America even if it kills me. This doesn't apply to the bullies and toadies that think they run this country.

Mr Blue Sky #40,

How to get the MSM to pay more attention to the DSM? No problem!

Each weekday this month, the DailyKos diarist Smintheus is promoting a media campaign to target specific media outlets that day. Each weekday is a new list with 3 targets. The campaign is called "Awaken the MSM". Smintheus says that this campaign is being adopted by many others, so it is not just DKos folks.

http://www.dailykos.com/user/smintheus

The above link is Smintheus's diaries. I think this campaign will be about as effective as possible. By harnessing the power of the internets, we can swarm these MSM outlets 3 at a time. Also, if you get into this, make sure only 1 address is on each email. That way it looks like you are writing just to that one MSM. If there are 100 addresses CC'd on the email, they will be more likely to ignore it.

Hope this helps!

Thanks for the link BigTobacco #55! Love Jon Stewart!

Bejammin #56 - a great campaign.

Thanks everybody for all the really great links. Bradbloggers REALLY ROCK!!

I just got my email from Kerry asking for help funding a video addressing the millions of kids without medical insurance. A really important issue, but it's like attacking the branches of a parasitic tree when the way to really get rid of it is to attack the root.

I wrote back with my complaint that he has been silent on many issues (such as the DSM) which would stop the relentless attacks on our Democracy by the neo-CONS. I told him that by his silence he is standing with them. I also said he would probably never read my email so I wouldn't elaborate too much.

Should 6 or 7 of us email Kerry?

I want my 6 or 7 Squad Bradblog T-Shirt.

RLM no. 39 and Kira no. 57

Every time I've gotten a Kerry email I've written back with something like "what happened to all of the $$ surplus that you had in hand from your former supporters, including me?" or "what happened to your promise to make every vote count?" or "Forget about 2008, and I'll never vote for you again."

No reply, of course. I thought I'd been scrubbed from his email list, that is until I got the most recent mailing.

I don't think that "6 or 7" emailing Kerry will do any good, because his nuts are under deep cover. The only idea I've been able to come up with so far is to support a Dem. primary challenger for Kerry in his next Senate bid. Sorry, I don't know when that would be, or anything about a potential challenger. Of course, if you or anyone can suggest someone to receive email from 6 or 7 of us, who might convey the message to Kerry and get him to pay attention, well...

COMMENT #11 [link]
...JAMES said on 6/7/2005 @ 7:28pm PT... is wrong!
Why do you feel you have to try to justify the sins of this administration, excuses don’t make it right, this administration are a bunch of liars and frauds and have caused our safety to grow worse, and damage; both fiscal and to our reputation of our great country.
Bottom line…one country can not invade another because the boss is an asshole that robs the people, makes them unsafe, denies the rights of most, etc… and thank God for that or we’d be invaded already for our fraudulent president is guiltier, has robbed the American coffers for his corporate friends, and has murdered more people than saddam himself at this point!

You said: BAGHDAD, Iraq - Former dictator Saddam Hussein will stand trial for a range of charges — from gassing thousands of Kurds to executing political and religious leaders, according to a list of the cases against him obtained from the special tribunal Monday.

** Yes he will, it’s not so funny, the USA don't want his trail....maybe because if he talks the world will hear how the USA...daddy and W bush and others gave him the instructions and materials to grow more powerful and at times orders to do harm.

You said: Saddam could face up to 500 charges at the tribunal, but he will be tried on only 12 well documented counts because prosecuting him on all would be a “waste of time,” the prime minister’s spokesman said Sunday.

** Yes, but now we know based on the Chibali theory that most of the charges are BS brought up on purpose for money by paid liars of which the bush administration is a big part of!

You said: Laith Kuba also said Saddam was likely to be tried within the next two months on a range of charges, including alleged crimes committed in Iraqi Kurdistan.

**Like I said, the bushies don't want that, they want to hide him till he dies, if they haven't poisoned him already! Haven’t you heard them cry.

He said: “There should be no objection that a trial should take place within that time,” Kuba said during a press conference. “It is the government’s view that the trial of Saddam should take place as soon as possible.”

** Well they did object...because the bushies have much to hide!

He said: Focus high-profile cases
A list obtained by The Associated Press early Monday from the special tribunal, which will hear the case against Saddam and 11 of his henchmen, showed that prosecutors seem to be concentrating on 14 cases concerning his alleged crimes. Many received international attention during Saddam’s three decades in power.

The list contained few details, but among the crimes the tribunal says Saddam committed were:

Executing at least 50 Iraqis in 1982 in the Shiite town of Dujail, 50 miles north of Baghdad, in retaliation for a failed assassination attempt against Saddam.

** Bush has killed over 100,000 Iraqis...when can we bring him to trail. That gross behavior is between the Iraqi people, not a reason to invade or use it as a justification!

He said: Killing and deporting 8,000 members of the powerful Kurdish Barzani tribe, of which the current Kurdistan Democratic Party leader, Massoud Barzani, belongs.
The 1988 chemical weapons attack on the Kurdish town of Halabja that killed an estimated 5,000 people.

**Again, Rumsfield not only gave them the formula, but by not telling them no, he gave permission, that could have been prevented.

He said: Executing prominent religious and political figures.
Ordering the seven-month occupation of Kuwait that was ended by the 1991 U.S.-led Gulf War.

**How quick one forgets that saddam asked permission to invade Kuwait and the American consulate looked the other way, which implied go ahead. This with the fake satellite pictures of the saddams army marching towards the Saudi, along with the liar girl that testified before congress were all part of the plan to get a war going so they (the bushies in case I lost you) could build bases in the middle east.

He said: The 1991 suppression of a Shiite uprising in southern Iraq

** Now why was there so many killings of the Shiite, maybe because daddy bush promised them after his fraudulent war that if they stood up to Saddam he'd go in there and save them...well they did and he didn't, so alas saddam started killing with American provided killing machines, thanks reagan/bush/rumsfield!
This happened before in history, remember Kennedy and the Cubans…well ditto!

He said: HEY LASAGNA: YOU WOULD HAVE LEFT HITLER IN CHARGE ALSO! SHAME ON YOU!

So I say Lasagna is more correct than you...Mr. Justifier of lies to cover wrongs...it's obvious you love bush and his lies more than truth and justice!

Comment #31, sorry Kerry lost his balls again...I called his office and gave them hell. Sen Kennedy did turn the memo in, but we need one to start the impeachment, I begged Kennedy to do it. He has the least to lose, afterall we all know every bit of his dirt and they can't beat on him anymore..
Go Kennedy...impeach this fraud and his crew, they're all guilty to include Cheney, Rumsfield, Rice, Ashcroft and Gonzalas and his memo that allows torture endangering our troops!

No #50 we are not to believe his visit was a coincidence...by the way, sales on shredders jumped this past weekend in DC.

Are we to believe that Blair coincidentally visits Bush, coincidentally gives a press, and coincidentally gets asked one simple question about the memo, and coincidentally Bush turns to Blair for the answer, and coincidentally Blair has a well-crafted answer?

Have I missed something or are the facts are being fixed again? And in essence, all Bush said was, I'm sorry but...

I've been reading this blog for weeks now . . . most interesting and definitely covers a magnitude of the many ills facing this great nation! Finally decided to respond. I have signed a multitude of petitions, e-mailed news stations, newspapers etc. With the new stronger addition to the Patriot's Act , I'll probably have someone knocking on my door soon!
I'm particularly disappointed in Mr. Kerry . . . . no spine. I very much agree with comments #35 and #39. We must seek out another candidate who represents our fight and is willing to use his every power.

WHAT!? Kerry lost his balls?? really?

I think its takes alot of balls to try to to steal the show in leading the surge to expose & investigate the Downing Street Doc. from Conyers.

I thought taking the "least to lose" route was how we got into this mess. You know, the dems have the least to lose (politically) if they sit on their asses and let themselves be fondled by corporate lobbyists. We (here on this site) have the "least to lose" if we simply spend time jacking off to porn sites all day and eating twinkies to the point of morbid obesity. But then, what kind of people would we be?

We need people who will risk everything and more for what is right. We need to set goals that don't compromise. Taking the path of least resistance just ain't gonna cut it.

wow!

Not one but TWO news sources telling the same distortion, in unision. One of them even contradicts their own reporter to offer the same distorted version of the Downing Street question to the Pres.

Just thought its worth pointing out. But when two different sources start parroting the same lie, you gotta wonder whose been coaching 'em.

I guess this makes it openly apparent that, baring a stanned dress from Rove, this impeachment won't be led through the media. I say jail 'em for sedition.

As far as I can see, their responses constitute nothing more than extensions of the lies they've already told. As Brad has implied, let's give them all the rope they need...

WP or Brad

I think Sojo's #65 is too wide and is corrupting the layout ...

Sojo This is the way to do a link:

your link here.

Torqued has done a page to help. I am sure WP or Brad will explain it to you as they have scores of others along the way.

Bush is a pathological liar. He will never, ever, admit to any of his lies and crimes.

The MSM is complicit in the crimes committed by Bushco. A precedent was set at the Nuremberg trials.

WP, also post #49 with extra long web-addy --- and that should fix the format!

If you don't bookmark The Brad Blog & Brad Show Community Assistant you'll lose it. Using the Community Assistant you can make a clickable link that opens into a new window! That's just Primo!

But if you lose the link to the Community Assistant, maybe this is easy to remember:

www.tinyurl.com

The long web-addresses reformat the page width, so a "tiny url" is better than a l-o-o-o-o-o-n-g one!

And now I return you to your regularly scheduled program.

Have any Senators signed Conyers letter? Boxer? Kennedy? Kerry? Dare I ask Hilary or Biden or other presidential contenders?

(O/T).. Regarding links that malform page layout... Why doesn't Brad (or someone) write a script to truncate the text of links?? - If u want code to do this for here or VR... lemme know.

Hi Kira, long time no investigate! Sorry about my "drive by" posts...too busy!

I still think Kerry can't pursue these vote fraud issues without getting a front page whiner/sore loser/after all this time rap. He at least is trying to get something done in the meantime, he's not competing with Conyers - which would effectively lower Conyer's base. As a matter of fact, I think I get way too many petitions to sign on the same issues. That's not good, is it?

Downing Street Minutes lives.

The story is not yet going away (link here).

Lets keep up the good work bloggers.

For Miss Persistent: In fairness to Kerry, he painted himself into a corner on Nov. 3 when he conceded. If he were to call for an investigation now, THeN HE, KERRY, WOULD BECOME THE MEDIA'S FOCUS, NOT ANY INVESTIGATION. He'd hear the same question over and over, "What made you change your mind?" "Did you make a mistake?" as if the fact of a politician's changing his mind was more newsworthy than the merits of the issue itself. That's the way the press functions...they love to catch politicians in seemingly hypocritical positions, and Kerry understands this.

But Kerry has also been very disingenuous. His brother e-mailed me several weeks after the election, saying, "We aren't ignoring it (meaning the Ohio fraud and recount coverup)." But Kerry took off for Iraq rather than face the press as Barbara Boxer and Stephanie Tubbs Jones fought the battle for him. Disgusting, really.

Since then he's offered one comment that I know of, which focused exclusively on disenfranchised minority voters...an important issue, but only one part of the election fraud story.