My man Bernie
I'm on my way to see him at a meeting of our organization here in Nashville right now.
We're working on stopping any more counties in TN from buying no-paper-ballot vote machines...

Let's all do like Bernie and work both sides of the fence.
1. positive - no more machines unless they have Voter Verified Paper Ballots!
2. negative - rain hell on those who stole the presidency from the American voter!

From a Southern Man - "AAAA-YEEEE!"

:)Thanks again Brad for this post. It is a sin to all of us for the so called MSM to completely ignore many of the shams this administration has displayed on the American people. It is not by accident and we know it. I still feel that the truth will prevail.

WooHoo! Excellent piece Brad!

And many thanks to Bernie for a beautious smackdown of the corporate controlled media figureheads! Maybe we should send follow up letters to Tim and Tom so they know Bernie's representing a good 6 or 7 of us!

The MSM is little more than a conveyor belt for junk ideas, food, beverages, and propaganda.

News is a pain in the butt for the MSM. They tolerate as little of it as possible.

And if they are forced into journalism of some type, they try like hell to make sure it is trivial.

Great letter! One can only hope it will be read by the addressees.

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No Name & Hank -

Listen up you two: being a hero means taking action when then time is right, period.

I'm well aware of Felt's later history - and there are similar black bag events prior to Watergate.

At some point he put the country and the Constitution ahead of his job; in so doing he fulfilled his oath to the max and brought down a president who had stolen an election through his dirty tricks - and would have continued to do so if he wasn't stopped.

Unlike you two backbiters, Felt had to courage to act when it counted most.

Maybe you'll see Nixon in the future; don't forget to kiss his ass once again, you cowards.

YOU TELL 'EM BERNIE!

'Bout time we Tennesseans had someone to be proud of, to balance out our shame for Bill Frist.

Oh, before I forget, to make it simple for those who are too lazy to do their homework:

Link

And a southern woman's REBEL YELL to go with Shannon's shout out!

Um..my reference in #10 was to the troll in deleted posts - I won't feed him, but bless his heart, I do take pity on his ignorance enough to try to educate him now and then - kinda like when you try to train a poor dumb dog not to lay down in the middle of the road.

Sorry, my bad *s*

BTW, I thought we were attracting a better class of trolls these days - what did y'all do to drive away the PROFESSIONAL freepers?

Jen#3
I'm on my way right now to echo Bernie's letter to Brokaw and Russert. I think you have a great idea, bombard them!

*ahh*

one can only hope that the current crew in the news media gets thrown out with the trash in the white house.

I always thought that person that knowingly covers up a crime is complicit in that crime. So deliberately ignoring factual evidence of high treason by government officials should be a very big offense, shouldn't it?

Felt has my vote for a real hero. I'm hearing so many put him down for speaking out because his doing so (in their opinion) betrayed the FBI and subsequently the President and the country. I say they all needed and were asking for exposure as they were the ones betraying the American people.
Anytime someone has the courage to speak out and expose corruption they should do it!
I wonder if all this flack about Felt not being a hero is to try to keep present day "Deep Throats" in fear of reprisal or detract from the whistleblowers that have their tale to tell.

Just noticed that Conyers is going to submit a resolution to applaud the actions of Felt when Congress reconvenes.

You can find it here: http://www.rawstory.com/...sives/conyers_060105.htm
(I'm not too slick on structure.)

In keeping with Mr. Ellis statement about, Conyers also takes a swipe at the MSM: "...back when we had an aggressive media..." Now it's people like Brad and the blogosphere who have picked up the slack. It's still a time for heroes.

No Name Needed, Hank and Zeppelin all good old Neocon Repub's and maybe the same person. It or they live in a constant state of denial and hang around the Democratic web sites bent on disruption. They should start dealing with Bush and Cheney's pending impeachment for Iraq War lies, plans and crimes committed eight months prior to Congressional approval.

Felt was a true patriot. His family should be very proud of him for placing his career and life on the line for American Democracy. What a guy!!!

Now ... if only those Neocon Repub's would own up to their lies and deceit?????????

One clue as to where trolls come from! (apart from under bridges, that is!)

Bushw@cker, I do not have verification of this, but I believe blog trolls are the spawn of dingleburry. In person these ppl smell like a cross between ham & bacon.

Questionable elections in 2000 and 2004!!!
Deep Throats of America unite!
Whistleblowers of the world unite!
Shout it out until the neocons can stand it no longer!
"May the truth be told though the heavens may fall!"

Mr. Ellis, no one could have said it better!

SOJO #18
I could only find a dictionary reference to "dingleberry"
1. A piece of dried feces caught in the hair around the anus.
2. An incompetent, foolish, or stupid person.
3. All of the above

So to the trolls, it's a case of, if the sh*t fits, wear it!

For God's (and the Earth's) sake, a revolution is called for. Life, not simply lives, is at stake.

I'm ready.

Re: #17 Link
PR whistles a different tune
From The Age By Rob O'Neill
May 31, 2005

US consultancy Issues Dynamics last month launched a blogger relations practice while international PR firm Edelman released a blog strategy white paper titled Trust media: How real people are finally being heard, which was distributed to its Australian practices.

Edelman has no plans for a separate practice to target bloggers but will integrate this with its other activities. A spokesman says it is "defining an offering" for clients, which will include a database of influential bloggers and content tracking.

Issues Dynamics will similarly offer blog monitoring, including the "ability to track and respond to blog postings before they grow and 'jump' to traditional media sources".

Howorth Communications' co-founder Mike Howorth says he has watched the development of blogs closely. He appointed the firm's head of digital lifestyle, David Packman, to lead the Sydney-based firm's response.

"I don't see it as a separate form of PR," Mr Howorth says, though he acknowledges the medium does have different rules of engagement.

Mr Howorth says strategies are developed case by case depending on how blogs affect clients. He says some clients use blogs for internal communications while others have to deal with blogs that focus on specific products or services or what he calls "social interest" blogs, about particular areas of social concern. But there is also a lot of rubbish out there. "You can waste a lot of time and effort, and a lot of your client's time and effort."

Mr Packman says PR practitioners ignore blogs at their peril. And he expects corporate Australia will soon want to initiate their own blogs, growing in importance alongside blogger relations and communications. The anti-establishment nature of many blogs, he says, demands a different approach from that taken to the mainstream media.

"It's not about pitching press releases," Mr Packman says. "It is more about adding to the conversation. It's about respecting who they are and what they do."

Grahame Cox, managing director of PR firm Upstream Australia, equates blogs with the letters pages of newspapers as a means to talk to an audience and be heard. But because there are no rules of conduct or codes of behaviour they are still struggling for legitimacy, he says.

Mr Cox predicts that over the next five years such codes will emerge. He predicts a shift in monitoring from clipping services towards search, which will include non-traditional media.

"In PR we are concerned about what consumers are thinking and talking about, so naturally we are interested in blogs," he says.

Bushw@cker #23 -

Oh God....

Re: The wolf whistles

Data mining one word at a time, at nanospeed.

In the early 70s the MSM started absorbing the counter-culture, first as something somewhat 'exotic' then later as a marketing ploy. This strikes me as a similar process. Everything is marketing and is eventually turned into the mundane, stripped of numinosity.

Hurray for Bernie Ellis. Greg Palast has a similar piece out.

Should we e-mail Russert and Brokaw individually and ask them to respond publicly? Just a thought.

Info please:

How/ to what address did Ellis send his letter? Do you/ any of you have "valid" email addresses for Russert and Brokaw (valid = sent to them, not just lost in the black box)? Wouldn't mind sending them a few of my own comments.

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Re: Deep Throat

"A government employee swears his or her allegiance to the Constitution of the United States, not to the White House or any government bureaucrat," Kohn said. (Stephen Kohn of the National Whistleblower Center)

This is from an article reporting discussion among former and current FBI agents as to whether Deep Throat "did the right thing".

source:

http://www.sfgate.com/cg...05/06/02/MNGUOD22VH1.DTL

For Valley Girl: To reach Tim Russert go to the Meet the Press website, where an e-mail address is provided (for MTP, not Russert himself).

I just sent them a message, seconding Bernie Ellis' call for Russert to interview Clint Curtis and Sherole Eaton. I got back a form response thanking me for my input and directing me to Frequently Asked Questions, which included "What time does Meet the Press broadcast?" and believe it or not, "How do I order a Meet the Press coffee mug?"

This is what we're up against here...rampant corporatism. Coffee mugs that promote a TV show are more important than the content of that show.

But Russert and Tom Brokaw have painted themselves into a corner here. They've asked for other "Deep Throats" to come forward, and they're going to learn the meaning of the adage, "Be careful what you ask for. You may get it."

P.S. Today's New York Times had FOUR SEPARATE STORIES on the Deep Throat expose. It's only a short step from there to asking, "Who will become the Deep Throat that exposes election fraud and the tyranny of the Bush administration?"

Atta go Bernie, Dr. Levinson, Dredd, et al!

Valerie Plame's identity is revealed by a petty vindictive White House, and what should have been a slam dunk investigation goes nowhere. Sibel Edmonds blows the whistle and is not even allowed to attend her own hearing. Felt is castigated for his patriotism. Daily war crimes are dutifully swept under the rug.

The message from the Bush is all too clear: patriotism is bad; exposing government corruption is bad; obsequiousness, arrogance, and corruption are good.

Except Bush calls obsequiousnes, arrogance, and corruption "freedom." And he calls defenders of a homeland against invading superpowers "terrorists" and "insurgent." And innocent detainees who are
deported after prolonged incarceration because of a lack of evidence against the are "disassemblers."

"Disassemble...that means to lie." It's all in the language, Mark. Problem is, we have a blockhead running the country who speaks in a foreign and forked tongue. The words we use to communicate with one another have no meaning to Bush or the sycophants who surround him.

It is a serious problem.

Bushwh@cker, #'s 17 and 23 - Thank you for that.

Trust media? Sure, I trust independent media created by patriotic people interested in disseminating the truth. Trust corporate media? Not on your life.

Here's a message for Issues Dynamics, Howorth "Communications", and other propaganda factories: Send us your trolls, please! What you will find is that your cynically sophisticated PR techniques are powerless against people who can actually think. The good people of BradBlog will expose and humiliate your trolls, and out you and your shadowy world in the process.

So go ahead, bring it on!

If Tim Russert and Tom Brokaw were truly interested in hearing from the "Deep Throats" of this generation, election fraud and other crimes of the Bush administration would long since have been discussed on "Meet the Press."

They have not been. Case closed.

Thank you Brad! Mr. Ellis letter has great 'tude and style in cutting to the chase on the issue of all these ET reporters in the mass media posing as real AMERICAN newscasters in this country. This is a calling to see if there are any PATRIOTS in the media at all even last second bandwagoners in this large group of bad BUSHIT protecting actors.

Mark Lloyd Baker #32

The troll appearances here do seem to coincide with how delicate a subject matter is we are addressing. I think RLM even worked up a formula.

I have an idea that one way to tell if the neocon propaganda machine has been cranked up is to note who is attacking.

Note that Nixon the Troll God was famous for ad hominem attacks on a person's patriotism when intimidated by truth:

"Nearly 15 months before his 1974 resignation, President Richard Nixon described W. Mark Felt as a traitor who should be required to take a lie detector test, according to previously undisclosed tapes of White House conversations stored at the National Archives. Felt was identified this week as the Washington Post's Watergate source known as Deep Throat." (link here).

Our deep throat Clint Curtis has already taken his lie detector test. And Tom Feeney has not and not only that Feeney won't even say things on the record. He has his mouthpieces do that.

If the Troll God Nixon, dubya Bu$h, or Tortuous Tom Feeney took a lie detector test someone would have to pay for the machine cause it would be destroyed by their vibes. Those things can only tolerate so much ...

Too bad the MSM has low tolerance for the news and too bad they live in a fantasy world wherein they actually fantasize about some day doing a story a la Watergate.

The right thing to do is bury the MSM cause it is dead and the only thing it is doing is stinking.

You're welcome Mark!

For Winter [JFK STUFF]

Thanks, Brad, for publishing my letter and to your loyal readers for commenting (and acting) on it. I am in a great mood today. It's amazing how spewing at the stuffed shirts and empty heads (and hearts) of the corporate media (and getting a full day's rain on my parched Tennessee farm) can improve one's mood.

The email addresses I used to send my messages were today@nbc.com and MTPQuestions@nbc.com . I am also going to send the letter (or try to) to Dan Rather, Walter Cronkite and Bill Moyers. Plus one of the other BradBlogsters sent me a link to a GOP site that allows me to send my letter out to all newspapers in the country from there. I want to thank that blogster and the GOP (Gollum's Odious Party) for that opportunity.

Let's all keep being the media (both the reporters and the commentators ) --- someone has to. Peace out.

Peace to you too, Bernie. There's just one item in your posting that makes me curious.

You said a G.O.P. site could be used as a conduit for your letter to be sent to all newspapers in the country. Not to sound cynical, but could that possibly happen? If some lonely honest person at a Republican site actually helped distribute your letter, I dare say he'd be found dead in a motel in Valdosta, Georgia...in the Lemme "suicide" room.

#23 and so on

It's a cancer, I tell you. Every bit of inattention lets it progress a little further.

And don't think PR and marketing techniques don't have anything to do with the state of our nation. As an example, the greedy technologically sophisticated (and morally bankrupt) gathering of personal information ("Who cares? I don't have anything to hide.") by marketers that developed the last couple of decades has quite easily become a tool of government intrusion and and likely oppression. It kind of just slid over and merged - the way smoothed by the fact of deliberate confusion of public life and private gain. So, we have to take PR and marketing techniques and actions very seriously. Most of all, we have to distinguish and honor and *defend* public life and not be confused as to what it is and what it is not.

Somewhat on the subject of Deep Throat and related - The biggest mistake - and something that really should have told us the peril we are in - was the Iran-Contra crime, the reaction to it and its consequences. It was a darker and more substantial crime than Watergate and demonstrated clearly that there is a group of people in America - some involved in the Nixon administration, too - for whom our legal system and traditions are only impediments to their ambitions. That lying and criminality (and dare I say un-Americanism, as in despising the Constitution) is a way of life for them. There should have been a revolution. But, instead, many of them and their spawn are advancing now what we should have cut off at the bud.

President Bush claimed to be surprised to learn the identity of "Deep Throat". I don't believe that. To assure that history could not repeat itself, Mr. Bush threatened to veto the creation of the Homeland Security Department unless all its employees would be political appointees. Mr. Felt was a career person, dangerous to crooked politicians. Does anyone really believe that those in the present White House didn't take that into consideration?

RLM - Yup, see http://capwiz.com/townhall/dbq/media/ for a tool that I believe you (in particular!) will find quite useful!

Great for sending notes to all of your local (and not so local) media!

Jen #3
Yes I hope 6 or 7 of us email russert & brokaw right away calling their bluff. Why not cc to others as well...Crossfire, 60 Minutes, Nightline, whatever.

They need to be asked why they are standing idly by and allowing their country to be raped & pillaged. Some of them MUST have consciences that keep them awake at night.

WOW great link, Brad, thank you!

I find it humorous to ensure the anonymity of sources that provide fale information. Brad, are you seriously attempting to compare yourself to Woodward and Bernstein? LMAO Oh my God, how funny. You're way out of your league, young man.

Re: #45 - What's your point? That anonymity of sources is not important? That if you're not in the club you are nobody? What's "fale information"? Please explain.

--Arry

The point is, Russert didn't mean what he said. It was an attempt to sound like a truth-seeking journalist (which sounds noble) while avoiding the stigma of catering to "conspiracy theorists" (which diminishes a journalist with other journalists).

But Russert can't help himself. "Meet the Press" originally meant, "Public officials must face the scrutiny of the press, on TV, for the sake of the public." It has come to mean, "Meet the celebrity journalists who make up the press." He's a celebrity journalist, but one who imagines himself as a newsman in the tradition of Edward R. Murrow, who exposed "Tailgunner Joe" McCarthy.

Tim Russert and Tom Brokaw, on their best days on Earth, could not have done what Murrow did, for two reasons. Neither of them is brave enough, and NBC wouldn't allow it to happen if they tried to do it.

The praetorian troll continues to spew its hatred of Americans and true American heroes like Felt and Friedman. What a sad little troll.

Hey praetorian: here's a question for you:

Do you still get paid even if your comments get deleted?

Posted on Conyersblog as well…

Deep-Throat is out. This may signal the ultimate beginning of the end for the current administration. Being the long-winded pontificator that we all know I am, I will explain to you my figuring.

The ‘Felt’ family sites 3 basic reasons for his willingness to come out now.

1. He is getting older and it is time for his legacy to be revealed.
2. His belief that by doing this now he could financially help the family (i.e., book deals and stories).
3. His relief that some people actually consider him as a hero rather than a traitor, which concerned him his whole life and was the reason he kept his identity hidden for the past 30 years.

I'm am sure that all three of these are relevant and true to some extent. But I also think there is a big picture here that may be escaping most of us. If you would consider the above rationale only a piece of a puzzle, like in the old game show called “Concentration”, you'd would need to solve the puzzle.

It is my firm opinion that Mr. Felt’s timing sends a clear message to those holding government offices, those in positions of investigating government wrong-doing, and equally as important, those in the media. The message is: “This administration is corrupt; the people who should be the watchdog for this administration are corrupt; and the press is missing the point…badly! He had to come out now, before his health and cognition worsens, to tell the media to dig deeper…to stand tall and not back down…to hint to those in the administration that if you are unable to do your job, and know you are involved in something illegal or illegitimate, do what you must to save your country. Mr. Felt broke every rule and oath of the FBI by secreting information to the press. He did this for 1 main reason (the one that will be mostly ignored by the likes of the current administration), he knew that by going to his boss, he would, in effect, unwittingly be aiding and abetting Nixon. His conscience wouldn’t let him do this to America. It was a miserable decision to make, and one that makes me proud!

As for the thread of this post...Bern baby Burn!!! I am immensly fond of ascerbic, sarcastic, ball-cutting insults, particularly for the media. I have to admit, you rival even my best posts!!

Alan

:hehe:

Praetorian #45

You said "I find it humorous to ensure the anonymity of sources that provide fale [SIC fake] information."

Well whoopy do, what do you find it when it is not fake information like in Watergate? You know the subject matter where a president resigned because the protected source was giving real information, and was a high up in the FBI? (hint, hint)

Like in Iraqgate where the president lied to the american people, the Secretary of Defense lied to the american people, and have been covering up ever since?

Lets face it, you are being disingenuous, and you have a tendency to be that way, going by the style and "quality" of your posts on this blog.

But thanks for being around, it helps contrast reality with unreality, falsehood with honesty, and it gives the readers an inkling of the character behind the keyboard. This is good for all to know, because as long as you are posting the readership will not give you the benefit of the doubt.

It would be a lot nicer, however, if there were some grown up types there under the bridge who could come out and visit. We can handle them.

Even tho the older trolls get the more sullied and forlorn their "logic" becomes.

No fale information here, Ignatz.

...and you're not laughing. Everyone here knows it.

Simply by the volume of your posts, and the time you spend on here, You're making a very limp attempt to appear to belittle, and make light of, issues that are starting to carry a lot more weight than you want them to. The only thing "fale" here is YOU!

#10 >'Bout time we Tennesseans had someone to be proud of

like Algore

#14 >wwhistleblowers that have their tale to tell

Like Linda Tripp

#35 >Ellis letter has great 'tude and style in cutting to the chase on the issue

Bernie's email was vulgar!

Watergate was about a prostitute ring working with the DNC said G. Gordon Libby. W&B just reported what was already known. Felt did not provide that much info. No heros there. Heros are the folks that put themselves in harms way.

Dr. Alan H. Levinson #26 Well said.

This admin has been castigating the FBI and CIA to rid them of deep throats.

I hope that there are some sharpies in there that are as savvy as Felt was.

If not, buckle up, we are in for a ride so rough that it will make us cry.

Keep up the great work guys.
The PRAT is back I see.

"G. Gordon Libby", eh?

What a putz you are, #52. You're a fine one to be defining what a hero should be.

Linda Tripp, brave American. Tattling on a fellow employee for giving head to the boss. That kind of integrity should have landed her a spot on Bush's staff. I guess Gannon/Guckert was more apropos.

Of course Ellis' letter was vulgar. The whole subject matter is vulgar. He's fighting to get the dirt out from under the rug, where you want it to stay. Now, THAT'S VULGAR!

The lame-brained paul troll claims to have been with Felt when the information was supplied - how else would the pathetic troll know "Felt did not provide that much info"?

The vacuous paul troll cannot help but discredit itself with its loathing of the American people.

What false information? I'm still waiting on anyone to provide concrete evidence of 100K+ civilian dead in Iraq at the hands of Americans. There's plenty of mass graves to prove Hussein killed more than that, but no one has proven the left-wing conspiracy / fantasy body count that we supposedly inflicted (and never will).

Real heroes? No one running this pathetic excuse for a web site, nor anyone loyal to it is any measure of a hero. All it demonstrates is your ignorance of facts. Of all the claims made by this web site, I've yet to find one shred of evidence to back any of them up beyond a shadow of a doubt (you all remember that requirement?).

Do I still get paid even if my posts get deleted? Absolutely. Brad pays me $10.00 per post. Just like the Washington Post paying for any activity from anyone just to keep the news alive and keep people watching and reading and wondering what will happen next.

Whew....now I understand what the term "troll" means. The problem with the whole scenario is that even if you are a total novice, just reading and learning, if you DARE ask a question you'd better do it in the manner this group wants it asked or you too can be designated a troll. I know...I dared ask a couple of innocent questions. I don't think I ever asked a questionagain.... after having my "motives" attacked, being maligned and accused of nefarious motives. Actually, after a day or two I started to smile about it...never in my life did I have the stature afforded me as I did when I asked an innocent question about Mr. Conyers and Mr. Feeney. Next thing I knew I was part of the Karl Rove inner circle. LOL
Nonetheless, I find this sight sort of addictive and I read it almost every day. To be fair (despite being accused of being a "troll") I have learned things that scare the heck out of me.

Emma

More ignorance and denial from the thoroughly discredited praetorian troll. Ho-hum.

The praetorian troll's hatred of the American people is as tiresome as it is sad.

Every moment spent feeding trolls, or wondering what their motives are, or analyzing them, or even acknowledging their existence is a moment less that can be devoted to our work. And we have a lot of work ahead of us.

Please, please don't respond to the trolls!

It's our natural reaction to send letters and emails of protest to those in the MSM who have gotten it wrong. However, I feel that it is just as important to send letters and emails of support to the few in the MSM who actually get it right. Bob Herbert should get our support for his recent op-ed piece in the NYT:

Truth and Deceit NYT Op-Ed by BOB HERBERT Published: June 2, 2005

Here's part of what he said:

"Now, with George W. Bush in charge, the nation is mired in yet another tragic period marked by incompetence, duplicity, bad faith and outright lies coming once again from the very top of the government. Just last month we had the disclosure of a previously secret British government memorandum that offered further confirmation that the American public and the world were spoon-fed bogus information by the Bush administration in the run-up to the invasion of Iraq."

"link"

http://www.nytimes.com/2...2/opinion/02herbert.html

Here's a post from Susan at the Conyers Blog. Having read the full article, I can only assume that Brad would say "Greg Palast nails it, as usual". Sorry Brad, if that wasn't what you would say. Just guessing.

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Deep Throat Cover Blown
Washington Post Still Sucks

Wednesday, June 1, 2005

By Greg Palast

I've been gagging all morning on the Washington Post's self-congratulatory preening about its glory days of the Watergate investigation.

Think about it. It's been 33 years since cub reporters Woodward and Bernstein pulled down the pants of the Nixon operation and exposed its tie-in to the Watergate burglary. That marks a third of a century since the Washington Post has broken a major investigative story.

balance of article at:

www.GregPalast.com
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The best part of being a troll is knowing that regardless of any amount of determination and energy applied to it, you can't ignore me. The saddest part is knowing you're too ignorant to accept the fact that I'm right.

Bush is an obvious dunce. A troll is an obvious dunce. Bush lies and misleads. Trolls lie and mislead. Bush is a murderer. Trolls who support a murderer like Bush are parties to the murdering. You cannot change Bush's lying, murdering, ignorant mind. You cannot change a troll's lying, murdering, ignorant mind. You cannot have a conversation with Bush's insane, idiot mind. You cannot have a conversation with a troll's insane, idiot mind. Ignore Bush and ignore trolls. Concentrate on working to remove Bush from the W.H. and get him into jail. Trolls are welcome to join Bush in jail!

The reason we think Liberals are fucking idiots is because a Liberal will have his home broken into by a burglar and will blame himself for not paying enough taxes to hire more teachers to help the burglar in his youth or to pay out more welfare in the hopes they won't steal. A Liberal will watch a coordinated attack on his country by brainwashed radical zealots and will blame his President for knocking them on their asses. Idiots because you have no consistency of conviction.

The American hating praetorian troll couldn't think its way out of an empty box let alone fathom reality.

Bush is lying and people are dying.

Fact: Planes hijacked by terrorists hit the twin towers and the Pentagon, and a fourth plane went down before it could hit a building. The terrorists knew they were committing suicide, obviously.

Fact: The White House was warned about this attack a month before it occurred, and did nothing.

Fact: The man who orchestrated the attack, Osama bin Laden, is still at large.

Fact: Osama bin Laden has long-standing ties to the Bush family.

Fact: The United States of America attacked a sovereign nation that had nothing to do with 9/11.

Fact: The White House lied in order to establish a connection that didn't exist between 9/11 and Iraq.

Fact: Tens of thousands of Americans and Iraqis have died and been permanently maimed as a result of this attack.

Fact: All of these people have died and been maimed since George W. Bush proclaimed that our mission in Iraq had been accomplished.

Conclusion: It's the fault of liberals who tolerate violent crime and don't appreciate the fact that Bush kicked the asses of people who had already committed suicide.

Come on people,listen to Mills #59,lets don't answer or acknowledge the trolls,if they can't get us to waste our time answering them,we can spend more time discussing our stratagies,misspelled as usual,lol.

prat...I too would like to know where the 100,000 civvy deaths information is coming from...it's been at that number for a long long time...

But, that doesn't mean that you are any less misguided. Saddam was a terrible person, like so many leaders in the world. Unfortunately, Bush isn't much better for misleading us into a war using the same tactics that these bad leaders around the world do.

Of course, you are prolly the same type of person that scoffed at Clinton when he managed to do something to help with horrific stuff happening in the world by bombing them out of commission...there you would probably claim 'wag the dog' status. So, why, if America is supposed to be such a strong leader in the world would destroying Iraq be more important than the other abuses going on around the world? And why would we need to be lied into doing something about it if it was so the right thing to do? I mean, I think if it wasn't about national security we would have had a lot of pushback, and not just from peaceniks, but from people who would see it as the grave distraction it is...and that's why smart people think the Iraq war was a ridiculous diversion.

Anybody else here watch the Daily Show?

Jon Stewart is having a BLAST with the Deep Throat story (thanks in no small part to continuing self-righteous posturing by the likes of Robert Novak, Pat Buchanan, and that bastion of ethical behavior, G. Gordon Liddy)

Daily Show Videos

BTW, I highly recommend the video with Gerald Posner as guest.

BTW, just a thought...in reference to trolls, political issues, and life in general -

True insignificance doesn't trigger reaction, either positive or negative - it triggers indifference.

Think about it.

We must be really getting to them.

LAG has it exactly right. If Bush really went into Iraq to "kick the asses of terrorists," then he would have said to the American people in March 2003,
"This invasion is to redeem 9/11."

But he never said that. He said, "Iraq has WMD." False. Then he said, "Osama bin Laden is in cahoots with Saddam Hussein." False. Then he said, "Iraq tried to buy uranium from Niger." False. Then he said, "The world is safer now." False. And he knew all those things were false when he said them.

Good God! How is it possible to be able to even operate a keyboard, and write anything so stupid as the previous post (#64)?

These aren't liberal/conservative issues. These are about fascist-minded Corporatists highjacking the rights of people just like these trolls here, and they're bending over and spreading their cheeks for them, and come in here bragging about it. Downright weird.

(#62) "...The saddest part is knowing you're too ignorant to accept the fact that I'm right...."

No the saddest part is that he's "right", but far from correct, and will never fathom the difference.

He spends an awful large amount of time on this blog for someone who wants to claim he thinks it so unimportant. I think he's indeed, a speader of "fale information"...

#70 LAG == The 100,000 figure comes from a study led by researchers from the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health. The results were published in the Lancet medical journal.

Here's a Guardian article about it.

Praetorian, just so you don't feel completely discredited....

Not only was the 100,000 figure backed up by statistical fact, but so was the evidence on the secret group which has almost single handedly taken over government.

Perhaps you've heard of them....And if you haven't, now you know them first hand.
http://www.dailykos.com/...ory/2005/2/22/155525/061

When the evidence becomes unbearable the denial starts to sit in and turn.....

Matt

Suppose the actual number were 75,000 instead of 100,000. Would that make the war less immoral?

People who harp on (possibly) exaggerated casualty estimates, where precise numbers can't possibly be obtained, are the worst sort of pedants. It's not unlike denying the Holocaust by yelling over and over, "Show me where all those millions of Jews died!"

You show them Dachau, and Treblinka...and they still yell that the numbers are exaggerated, as if that makes the crime less heinous.

I don't know if anyone's catching on to this, but cable news is parading Liddy and Colson for comments about Deep Throat. They are all over cable news, being given a forum to smear him as though they are ethics experts. None of these cable news shows inform the viewers that Liddy and Colson are in fact THE CRININALS who were incarcerated for the Watergate break-in!!! These shows do not inform the viewers off the ethics of Liddy and Colson!!! They are giving the criminals a forum to say, "Deep Throat was unethical, and no hero, for informing the FBI that we were committing crimes." What kind of journalism is this??? Deep Throat was a bureaucrat who told the truth, and we need more of them now more than ever. If this happened in today's MSM, the Bush administration would have Deep Throat thrown in Guatanamo Bay, and tortured!!!

Liddy and Colson (and Ollie North) got their radio and TV jobs because they were intimately involved in wrongdoing. They were all wrong doers. Had Watergate never happened, and had Iran-Contra never happened, we wouldn't know their names.

The Son of Sam Law prohibits criminals from cashing in on their illegal conduct. For some reason, Liddy, Colson, and North were exempted from the law, and went on to become richer and more successful than if they had remained clean.

They remain crooks. Let no one forget that. A whole generation has grown up listening to them that isn't even aware that they are all crooks. It's up to us to repeat over and over...LIDDY, COLSON, AND OLLIE NORTH ARE CROOKS.

When was North convicted?