-Yahoo News- Norwegians confuse Bush salute with satanic sign. Coincidence? I think not. I've figured it out. Since Karl Rove is Satan, G.W. uses the Longhorn salute so people won't think he's in Satan's (Karl Rove's) control. But the people of Norway saw the real picture. I send my thanks and gratitude to the Norwegians. You have opened our eyes to the truth.

So the political harlots in the coalition of the killing can't evade the complaints of the people anymore ...

Management by crisis ... at best.

Here's an interesting perspective that might explain something I was wondering about:

"Bush's petty plans like some quantum physics magic wish, tweaking a balance of reality and unreality with raw power is doomed or dooming. Why has he not been really opposed? The people who profit from the madness are intoxicated by the temptations and consoled by the prospect of its failure and the removal of America as the giant of liberty and justice from the robber baron's stage."

Russian MPs launch hunger strike
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4196983.stm

Now imagine if Democratic politicans had even close to the same level of guts as these Russians when faced by really, really awfull stuff.

"Democrats aren't standing up on this for the same reason jellyfish aren't standing up. They're invertebrates." - Greg Palast.

Conyers and Boxer excluded. Probably.

"Coalition of the Willing," at its best, was never a coalition of the majority of the PEOPLE in most of the "willing" countries. It was a diplomatic courtesy extended to Bush by GOVERNMENT BUREAUCRATS backed up by a token allotment of troops.

Australia was officially "willing," but Australians were not. Likewise Spain, the Philippines, Italy, etc. When the PEOPLE spoke up in the coalition nations, loud and clear, GOVERNMENT BUREAUCRATS listened and backed down. PEOPLE can win out over anyone who is not a dictator in control of the military. That's DEMOCRACY, Mr. Bush.

I saw this posted at Rawstory last night and it just really ticked me off that, once again, the media, either by ignorance or by design, failed to do their FFing jobs and swept this under the rug. They have to be running out of rug space soon.

As to the invertebrates, what little is being done now, should have begun 4 years ago, when anyone with half a brain could see the evil behind this Admins. intentions. Nevertheless, we must continue to support those who are standing up and fighting for us, like Senator Boxer, Rep. John Conyers, the Congressional Black Caucus, and the Progressive Caucus.

If we can't motivate them by appealing to their ideals, then maybe their vanity overblown self worship will get them moving. How pathetic. There's a reason that Boxer, Conyers, etc. are getting the attention that they are.

On second thought, maybe we should all buy cattle prods and march on Washington and have a big ass frying party.

Are there any Coast to Coast AM late night talk show listeners out there? Have any of you noticed that the host George Noori is studiously--almost painfully--avoiding ANYTHING political? Even though prior to the election he had Bev Harris on a few times? Now he deftly cuts off any negative opinions about the Administration. Curiously, this show--now the most popular late night radio show in America, and second only to Limbaugh overall--which features all sorts of conspiracy theorists (UFOs, Kennedy assassinations, Bohemian Grove satanists, Illuminati, etc.) hasn't yet MENTIONED, let alone had a show about, the recent Election Conspiracy. And Bev Harris hasn't been back since the election took place. Now, I don't consider the show MSM, but I am morally certain someone has had a sit-down with old George Noori. And if they got to him, the nightmare has gone beyond just the MSM. Comments?

And as to Barbara Boxer, who's grown a set of balls that puts most guys to shame, don't be too surprised to read she's died in a plane crash.

Stan #10, You just reminded me how much I miss Senator Wellstone

HORKUS, I laughed at your comment about Rove/Bush. It set me to thinking about Karl, and the money-people behind the Bush that Rove has driven to the top. In my search (still ongoing) I ran across an article I think will be interesting reading for us here, if you haven't acquainted yourself yet with the "Frankenbush-Monster's" creator:

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Excerpts from the article:

"Karl Rove"..."George W. Bush's brain. He doesn't blink. He doesn't hesitate before the kill. If not for Rove, and if not for his ruthlessness, the hapless preppie George W. Bush would not be in the White House today"..."met Lee Atwater in 1972. Shortly afterward Rove was investigated by the Republican National Committee for teaching political campaign 'dirty tricks' to college students"..."Bush worked with Atwater and Rove to create the Willie Horton scandal that scuttled Dukakis in 1988"..."For Campaign 2000, Marxist-turned-Reaganite David Horowitz handed the Republicans a little book called 'The Art of Political War', which claimed that the Left had a monopoly on strategy, aggression and tactics. The Republican Party would not reclaim the White House until they crushed their opponent with the mercilessness of total war. Rove adopted the book as his own political Bible"..."'Compassionate Conservatism' was born, a new-brand-indentity for the intolerance, fear and hate of the right-wing. Karl Rove became the salesman and Bush was the fun and fuzzy mascot"..."When the media stumbled upon a story regarding George W. Bush's 1972 cocaine possession arrest, Rove had to find a way to kill the story. He did so by destroying the messenger"...."J.H. Hatfield was on hand, traveling in and out of Texas at the time, interviewing Rove and other Bush aides to research the premier Bush biography 'Lone Star Rising'."..."Hatfield was convicted of a felony in the late 80's"..."a perfect way to discredit all stories of Bush's drug past"..."The media focus shifted from reporting on Hatfield's Bush story to loud, loose talk about Hatfield's felony"...(from the book) "Bush dodged the draft, was a C student at Yale, lost a lot of other people's money in boom times in the Texas Oil market, was investigated by the S.E.C. for insider trading. What a garish life of special favors, what a clear colorful pattern of cut corners, what blurry values"...

The article goes on to mention strategy used against John McCain and Al Gore. Copy and paste this to your address line if you'd like to read the whole thing (I don't know how to make a link): http://sanderhicks.com/bushbrain.html

Most of us know Rove provided the legwork to have created "Frankenbush". Anybody savvy to the money people behind it (I would think Rupert Murdoch would have to be, at least, part of it). The C.I.A. ?(Bush, Sr. was the the head of the organization once, wasn't he)?

It would help to explain how articles like the "Coalition Of The Willing" above, and the election-fraud scandal, go unreported. Whose money is propping up the "Frankenbush" phenomena? Names?

By the way, I don't care too much about Bush's past, so no one needs to defend it to me. He's been such a disaster as president, I wouldn't care if he was an A-student, war hero, non-substance-abuser, model citizen. It's what he's doing now, and how to stop it, that really matters to me.

Stan #9

Perhaps a call to him to inquire would help.

Some folks want to ignore some of these issues ... but that is perilous.

By the way, J.H. Hatfield, the writer of the book mentioned in my post #12, commited suicide (so many suicides) in 2002. In 2000, before Bush was elected, he did a filmed interview. It's almost an hour long. If you haven't seen this already, I think you should. Copy and paste this onto your "address" line:
http://www.democracynow.....pl?sid=03/08/11/1447218

Happy Saturday everyone!

Here's a media comment that's relevant (and timely).

"President Bush: Keep your freedom and democracy to yourself!"

http://english.pravda.ru.../101/399/14851_bush.html

Bob #12
Winter Patriot just gave us lessons yesterday. Weren't you paying attention in class?

"GOP registered BushCheated.com in '03" Raw Story front page. Interesting .

Kind of smacks of "1984", newspeak, adding and/or removing news articles to suit your intentions...Fact is stranger than fiction, and more dangerous. At least the world knows what BushCo's speech was all about, and it was received poorly, thankfully.

Glad to see atty jimmo, paul and other trolls gone...afterall, they have been known to infiltrate in order to gain info...keep up the good work..n/t.

A CNN commentary noted that in one of the sign languages, the UT longhorn sign is used to denote "BullShi*". How appropriate!

I second that
Peter

That's been reworked, it's bushit. Even bulls don't spread manure that thick.

Sorry, I missed Winter Pat's lesson. I'll hunt it down when I have a moment.

Hi, Bob - Here it is.

QUOTE

COMMENT #101 [link]
...Winter Patriot said on 1/21/2005 @ 7:43pm PT...

re #97: for Supersoling and any others who are interested...

To post a link, you type something that looks kind of like this:

[a href="URL"]TEXT[/a]

The text in lower-case must be typed exactly as it appears here.

The text in UPPER-CASE must be replaced by the URL you are linking to, and the TEXT you want to display, respectively.

The square brackets ("[" and "]") must be replaced by angle brackets ("").

The remaining punctuation (the equal sign, the quotes, and the slash) must be typed exactly as you see them here.

Here's an example: my blog is at http://winterpatriot.blogspot.com ... and therefore when I want to provide a link to that URL I type something like this:

[a href="http://winterpatriot.blogspot.com"]my blog[/a]

I have used square brackets here so you can see what's happening. If I change them to angle brackets, it comes out like this:

my blog

I hope this helps. Ask more questions if you like and I will try to answer them.

AND

...Winter Patriot said on 1/21/2005 @ 8:21pm PT...

You're right, Supersoling. It really isn't all that complicated. Try it a few times --- you'll likely get it wrong; we all do. That's what the "Preview" button is for. When you finally get a preview of something that looks good, hit the "Post it" button.

After you do it a few times, it becomes second nature. And then you'll wonder why it ever seemed complicated in the first place.

UNQUOTE

As far as the Coalition of the Willing goes, the delayed announcement may also have something to do with Michael Moore's Farenheit 9/11, which made a complete joke of Bush's Coalition of the Willing (BRIBED). In addition to that, and also about the same time, the Costa Rican Supreme Court found that Costa Rica's name on the White House Coalition of the Willing web site was illegal and lodged an official protest to have their name removed. Other countries followed suit, except for countries like Japan, which under the guise of sending troops to Iraq to "help the Iraqi people", were also awarded the development contract for a major Iraqi oil and gas field.

Which brings me to the standard White House modus operandi...bribery. The White House paid millions of dollars in bribes to Afghan War Lords. They offer bribes to people throughout Iraq to turn against their own people, or as carrot and sticks for getting people like Muqtada al Sadr and Iraqi villages to cooperate with the illegal oil and gas occupation. They've offered alleged Coalition of the Willing members billions in foreign aid, debt reduction, or choice contracts. All part of the WAR FRAUD and ENERGY FRAUD being perpetrated against all of us and the people of the world.

I've always said if you can pay a bribe you can take a bribe! And one only needs to look at Bush's family history, donor lists, and corporate ties to know that George Bush has reached the great seat of corporate royalty by knowing the importance of both paying and taking a bribe.

I've already contributed my diatribe against the mainstream media in last nights thread. I will only add here that there is a global media consolidation effort going on which violates the spirit of the Founding Father's opposition to monopolies. As the media consolidates into fewer and fewer hands, both nationally and internationally, then we edge ever closer to total information management. This is why there should be strict laws or constitutional provisions that limit the size and scope of media ownership.

As an example, I don't believe Clear Channel Communications should own over 1,200 radio stations nationwide and then use that type of power and influence to sanction political opposition, the attacks against the DIXIE CHICKS anti-war and anti-Bush comments. Or to sponsor and coordinate pro-war rallies, which are disguised as "WE SUPPORT THE TROOPS" nationalist propaganda! Adolf Hitler had plenty of such rallies to stir up patriotic venom and help identify the "treasonous" opposition who failed to go along! Sound familiar?

So I believe mainstream media is doing what it will to satisfy their corrupt coporate puppet-masters as well as provide information management, either through false or delayed reporting to cover their corporate political royalty and/or further conceal fraudulent corporate agendas.

I guess when I keep yelling "Viva la Revolucion", I must also include the revolution we need to target against mainstream media. Just one more part of the revolution against corporate America and their bought and paid for political royalty!

DETHRONE THEM! GRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!

Freebird

PS: Bet you didn't know birds can growl! GRRRR!

Frida says hi to everyone...say hi to Frida! (Resident computer spider) LOL

Freebird

Hi, Freebird - I tried to share my house with a mid-sized spider once, but turned out SHE laid eggs, many, many, many, many, many, eggs, and out hatched a LOT of spiders from those eggs - unfortunately, they ALL had to...go...Maybe Frida is a Fred?

Freebird, I guess we need to stop watching their TV, listening to their radio shows and reading their newspapers. We don't need them - we can start our own. People will slowly turn away from them, laughing. They will be stopped when we stop buying and they cannot sell us the crap anymore.

Peggy...LOL

Maybe! Frida is just a small lemon spider and since I live in the desert, I also have friendly snakes, tarantulas, and scorpions everywhere. SAY HI!

I get all my real news from the Internet and carrier pigeons! Maybe we should develop a progressive BOYCOTT INFORMATION NETWORK, to boycott advertisers who support fraud and fail to tell us the truth and the whole story!

Freebird

Off topic, again...perhaps that should be my new moniker for this site.

My humble apologies if I am the only here who has not read "Don't Think of an Elephant" by George Lakoff, foreword by Howard Dean. I was introduced to it this past week, unaware that a basic primer for progressive activists existed, which articulated so clearly why we are not heard, or worse, why, when we attempt to portray the truth, we are looked upon as "nay-sayers" or sometimes akin to "evil-doers". I realized various pieces of the conservative success puzzle on my own, but had not, in any way, fully intellectualized it as this book has done. If any of you reside under the same rock as I, and somehow missed this informative and instructive read, I encourage you to go to Don't Think of an Elephant and download the 36 page pdf overview NOW.

If unfamiliar, you may truly be enlightened to the manipulation and how we may collectively counter it, without succumbing to it.

Okay, back on topic. What was it now - spiders, I think. LOL Love you all. Thanks Peggy and Winter Patriot. I now know how to add a site link.

Off-topic-Lori

See Riverbend's opinion on the run-up to the "open and free" elections.

http://riverbendblog.blogspot.com/

I live with some rather nice little spiders, but it's the fruit flies that are the friendliest . They love the computer keyboard, bet they go absolutely wild when I play the piano. I have to be careful not to crush them as they cavort on the keys.

I miss hearing from attorney Jimbo

Attention K-Mart shoppers. There is a lost child. His name is Attorney Jimmo and his father Harvey is looking for him.

I apologize, Harvey. But I just couldn't resist.

Hey, Brad - How about a VR bumper sticker? Maybe too much work and expense?

Attention K-Mart shoppers. There is a child here with bad little teeth, who is crying and thinks he is a dictator, or King of the World, or some such thing. He has soiled his pants and says he has a tummy ache, and we are concerned. Please come and claim him as soon as possible.

If you sold $100 million bumper stickers, would that go towards proving Kerry won? (Maybe you'd just be RICH?)

Calling Supersoling, calling supersoling...

This is off topic - but I just read your VR Discussion Topic re Robert Kennedy, which also referred to Karl W.B. Schwarz and 911 - it seems so complicated - is it possible for you to tell us the "story" in short form?

Many thanks.

"I miss hearing from attorney Jimbo"

Just listen to Dumya, same difference. Malaprops.
or try Norm Crosby. He invented that style of comedy, but he really meant to do that.

poor Jimmo...LOST IN CYBER SPACE!

WARNING! WARNING! DANGER! DANGER!

I know...THIS DOES NOT COMPUTE!

:-)

Speaking of coalitions, this is mighty interesting. Maybe someone can try to verify it:

http://www.indiemediamag...?story=20050118055547492

Here's the start. And Winter Patriot, as a scholar of military history, you might be able to help us on facts.

The Weapon That Could Defeat The US In The Gulf
By Mark Gaffney
11-2-4

A word to the reader: The following paper is so shocking that, after preparing the initial draft, I didn't want to believe it myself, and resolved to disprove it with more research. However, I only succeeded in turning up more evidence in support of my thesis. And I repeated this cycle of discovery and denial several more times before finally deciding to go with the article.

I believe that a serious writer must follow the trail of evidence, no matter where it leads, and report back. So here is my story. Don't be surprised if it causes you to squirm. Its purpose is not to make predictions history makes fools of those who claim to know the future but simply to describe the peril that awaits us in the Persian Gulf. By awakening to the extent of that danger, perhaps we can still find a way to save our nation and the world from disaster. If we are very lucky, we might even create an alternative future that holds some promise of resolving the monumental conflicts of our time. --MG

re: #41

Hi Teresa. Thanks for the heads-up. I have found the article you mentioned, here. But I haven't read it yet. I will probably have more to say about it later.

Cheryl #30 re: Riverbend, yes I read it, she breaks my heart, makes me cry. LORI #29 Thanks so much for the information "don't think of an elephant!" been looking for that (know thine enemy) copied it and looking forward to the read. Also copied "Myth Breakers, facts about electronic elections" (62 pages, I'm running all my son's ink out) so I can deliver it to West Palm Beach BOE super Mon. see Black Box Voting . org for instructions and Voters Unite.Org

re #41 and #42:

Wow! Thanks again, Teresa. That's a powerful piece. Cleaner copies of it are available here and here.

In a nutshell, the article says: Iran has missiles which can kill ships, and the USA has no realistic way to defend against them, so if we get involved in a war with Iran, we will be very very sorry.

I have read it once [so far] and I saw a couple of sentences that struck me as "not quite right". Unfortunately, they are not technical or military mistakes; they are more "cultural" or "literary". For example, the author says:

The Gulf will run red with American blood.

This in an overstatement. We don't have that much blood. He also says:

Patriots will demand victory at any cost.

And this is wrong too. There's a word for people who "demand victory at any cost", but the word is not "Patriot".

I will read it again and do some more research, but at this point the analysis looks realistic, and thrust of the article seems fairly solid: a US attack against Iran would be a dismal failure.

Unfortunately, our current military leaders are not accustomed to making decisions based on realistic analysis. They are accustomed to shooting the messengers and going ahead anyway. "Damn the torpedoes" and all that. It may have been a brave sentiment in the days when most torpedoes missed their marks. But in an age of computer-guided anti-ship weapons, it's very foolish indeed.

Peggy, VR Bumper stickers are on the way!

Stay tuned!

Happy Sunday. Been reading the news. Didja hear about the survey that says that as a whole, churchgoers are less tolerant of others? Big surprise there.

Is the US heading for more violent and uglier times?

http://www.redress.btint...net.co.uk/uavnery113.htm

Still winning the "hearts and minds".

http://www.washingtonpos...05Jan22?language=printer

Re: W.P. #44
It all depends on what your definition of 'Dismal Failure' is.
It appears that the Dismal Failure Makers are still in power and even extended their numbers on Nov. 2nd, the rewards of the failures are still lavish and go straight to the pals of the mob who send most of it 'offshore' and some circles right back to the D.F.M.
The scope of the D.F.M. want for future Failures is expanding as they roll out new products at home and abroad and the joy of mouth watering profits to come are well hidden behind galla victory parties and false words and best of all media spin.
The reward of failure is proven!
The price for failure is ours to pay.

If we don't like it, we have to do something about it.
If not now , when?

Re:#44&48...

Since the war maker weapons dealers are in control of this, how do they determine who will win?

Why don't we have these missles?

I can see the intent to fail in Iraq. Is their global domination scheme just a ruse?

If anyone can answer these questions, and more, I would appreciate it greatly.

And if they put Bush back in, when Kerry could also have served their purposes... why?

And of course, Winter Patriot and Cole, what can we realistically do?

#41&46, Cheryl and Teresa-- thank you so much for these articles. I learn so much from all of you.

My pleasure, Bluebird.
I am more excited than I've been in a while, with all this sharing of knowledge and information.

Teresa and Winter Patriot - Thank you for bringing this article to our attention. I was not aware of it. On the other hand, I have entirely expected the "rest of the world" to start arming themselves against America. If DUMYA is permitted to continue in his merry way, an American/world tragedy will assuredly happen.

Much of the rest of the world is busy building good governments and moving into the future, so I am counting on them to be smart enough to prevent this from happeneing.

I am hoping with all my might that this global domination game will end soon, with our weakened position in the world clear, so we can turn to our domestic problems, which are gargantuan.

Forgive my typos.

Hey all!

Wow! Just read the Iranian missile article. Sort of an eerie coincidence on what I was saying about Iran in the "Dubya's 2nd Inaugural" thread at #68 & #94, in case you want to revisit and compare. A domestic or international crisis may be just the thing Bush & Company are looking for and again, take your pick, corporate profit-making exploitation, right-wing Christian insanity, or just one more excuse to limit our rights and remake America into the Corrupt Corporate Right-wing Military Police State (CRAMPS)?

The more fear they generate the more most Americans will be willing to trade their rights for their security...and in reality...lose both!

Thanks for the heads up the Iran article!

Freebird

PS: You should also be thinking of what a major international crisis will do to election reform efforts! In other words...don't be a traitorous unpatriotic sap against your government during a time of war and global conflict! I can hear it now! A nation consumed by war, a military draft, and too preoccupied to see how their elections and their rights disappear right from under their feet.

With the corporate mainstream media goose-stepping in tune with the government line...or should I say lie!

There was never a coalition of the willing - it was a coalition of the lied to, the fearful, and the cynical.

The Iran/Russia/Chinese missile story - of course, the other half of the story is missing - while America is pre-disposed in the Middle East, what can be done to stop these missiles from being shot at the Homeland from foreign ships? DUMYA said to "bring it on" - there are too many who would like him to get his wish, on American soil. BTW, Putin realized what a total fool DUMYA was when DUMYA he said he could see into Putin's soul, or some such idiocy. America's enemies had a good laugh at that one!

You are forgiven TERESA!

Peggy...Yes George is a dummy, but a dangerous one! Again, I listened to media pundits describing Bush's speech as "his" heartfelt sincere expressions and great ideas for the world. I really wish they would qualify that GEORGE BUSH does not write his speeches and does not come up with ideas! He reads speeches and repeats ideas drafted by speech writers, political advisers, and media consultants:

KARL ROVE:
"Here you are Mr. President...how does this sound?"

PRESIDENT:
"Duh!" "Well shur doo sound good ta me!" "What a ya think Dick?"

VICE-PRESIDENT:
"Stay on message Mr. President...stay on message...now just get out there and read the damn thing!"

PRESIDENT:
"Uh? Yes sirree Dick...an think I'll read this wun! Uh? What do it say?"

DUMYA: OK, I'll read it, but then can I go home to Crawford and chop wood an' ride my bike an' watch myself on TV? All this reading gives me a headache. I really like wachin' myself on TV. Tomorrow can I threaten Iran again? Please let me, Karl. Please? An' can we drop a few more bombs on those Iraqis? I love being President!

DUMYA: An' Karly, wasn't this Christmas so much better than that time I had to go to that carrier? Loved the uniform, but I knew we shouldn't have used that rubber turkey. Who told them about the rubber turkey, Karl? I'd like to put that traitor in Abu Ghagha prison. Where's Rummy? Feel like going over our battlefield tactics. Did you know that as Commander-in-Chief I can run this war single-handed? Those soldiers have to do whatever I want. Boy, I love being President!

Teresa
#49-a. Weapons makers do not have time to care who wins, they are too busy counting the loot.
b. Kerry probably could serve their purposes, but why take a chance, 'W' was no gamble. Or maybe 'they' misundercalculated and lost control. It was so easy to prop him up and edit out his bobbles in the early years ('00, '01), make him look like he really does converse with god and gosh darn it now he has the bit in his mouth and won't let loose.
#50 What can we realistically do? Keep vocal, Keep writing. It took just one little guy on a horse yelling that the Brits were coming and all hell broke loose!
Our representatives, most of them have failed (or maybe they were paid to fail?) for a lot of years-more than just 3 elections, but we are 55+ million strong and we CAN change the world. We are NOT a 'focus group'.
And we have one hellava Senator in Barbara Boxer!

55+ Million letters to all our reps in all 50 states praising Senator Boxer and asking, 'Where the Hell were you?"

in comment #49 [about the Iranian anti-ship missiles]: Teresa asked:

"Since the war maker weapons dealers are in control of this, how do they determine who will win?"

That's easy. They always win, and everybody else always loses!

Teresa also asked:

"Why don't we have these missles?"

We probably have something similar but not quite as powerful; on the other hand these are short-range missiles and therefore they are primarily defensive weapons. We have been concentrating on developing weapons that can be used for attack.

The important thing is: even if we did have similar missiles, that would not make our ships safer. It would only make enemy ships less safe.

In comment #59, Peggy asked:

"What can be done to stop these missiles from being shot at the Homeland from foreign ships?"

Remember we are talking about short-range weapons. To protect our cities from them, we would only need to keep Iranian ships [and planes] away from our shores. They couldn't reach us from the middle of the Atlantic, for example. Still less could they reach us from the Persian Gulf. So we are only vulnerable to these weapons if we go attacking. But in that event we would be extremely vulnerable, if I am reading this properly.

Back to comment #49 now, and another question from Teresa:

"I can see the intent to fail in Iraq. Is their global domination scheme just a ruse?"

Good question. Long before the invasion of Iraq, I read an article from a usually reliable source, which said that the neocon objective was not to win in Iraq but to get bogged down there; to get embroiled in such an awful mess that we would "have" to stay there for a very long time. If this is true, then it would answer a lot of otherwise very difficult questions. Such as: How can they be so brilliant in stealing elections but so incompetent when it comes to fighting a war?

I'll leave some of the other questions to your imagination.

Hi Teresa #52,
I agree. All this knowledge sharing is very exciting. It's easy when you read an article to think that everyone else is already aware of it, but they're not always are they? There's so much info out there that it's great to have so many eyes digging it up.

Thank you so much, kind gentlemen. There is so much to know.

The thought occurred to me that the return of Bush to office might have been a setup. I feel that there are factions in the oligarchy that would like to see the neocons come down. I know it's a complicated situation with Israel involved, but someone should have it figured out. There's got to be infighting within the group, so I wonder. That's why I thought Kerry would have been the choice... he goes further back, he couldn't be better connected, and his popularity would have been a good cover.

The failed war in Iraq goes along with the PNAC perpetual war plan, If they win, they leave. Not the intention. I think, though, that the forces against them are draining them in unexpected ways and blocking the reconstruction income. I know they are anxious to get going on their occupation of the other countries, but it seems that they don't have all the resources. A catastrophe would certainly be in order to implement the draft, but that also could fail. The truth is starting to gain force, and could be a big problem for them. I believe they might come to realize that guns are becoming archaic as a means of control. I know they are building high tech weapons , but I still think war will be waged soon in an entirely different way.
But it explains why they would go into Iran knowing about the missles, since the same plan of failure would apply.

How exactly do Russia and China fit into the game?

Absolutely, Cheryl, yes. It's like we've all been called up on a fact-finding mission, and time is of the essence. The army of the righteous is on active duty and the Internet is central control. We've never has this kind of tool for quick and widespread dissemination. It's up to us to use our vast intelligence to gather the facts and make wise decisions in this incredible democratic way. We must outsmart them, since nonviolence is our credo. We will really have won if we can stick to that.

re #66:

Teresa asked: "How exactly do Russia and China fit into the game?"

It sure does get complicated, doesn't it? Lately I've been catching little whiffs of a story hinting that China, Russia, and Brazil are among the leaders of a new initiative to form a world-wide defensive alliance against the United States.

If my sources have their facts straight, there is already something similar happening in Europe, with Germany, France, Belgium and Holland among the leaders. The European alliance is said to be sort of like NATO but without the USA.

I don't know whether any of this is true or false or just way out-there. Truth is getting very slippery these days. But this is what I've been hearing. Possibly Freebird can tell us more. He flies over everything, I think! And he always seems to know more than I do!

Winter, I also read that about Russia , China, and Brazil. I also thought that a united Europe could be our next greatest threat. A common currency says a lot.
I think we need to get this bad dream over with and come to our senses.
However it plays out, I think we will have to relinquish our numero uno position on the world stage. It will do us good.
I'm a friendly person and I resent this. I want to play with the other kids. I'm sick of being stuck in this prison with George Bush.
Speaking of coalitions.

LOL...yes Freebird has been flying around...you can read about our new ROBOT KILLING SOLDIERS being sent to Iraq in the next thread.

Also, RUMMY went to South America recently to try and get a mutual defense agreement signed with countries down there. He got a chilly reception since it was the United States that overthrew democracies and supported murderous military juntas there. Not to mention how we raped their economies and threw many countries into unending national debt service.

So South America, led by Brazil, is looking at forming its own defense alliance which doesn't sit well with Washington. Especially with a rogue state like Venezuela involved. It is creating the same kind of tensions as with the European's, who are seeking their own defense arrangements without the United States.

China is also becoming more alarmed mainly because they need oil and need to import, but they've already got us by the inaugural balls as a major creditor to America, not to mention being one of our largest exporters. A few historians may remember that one of the reasons Japan attacked Pearl Harbor was because the US cut off oil and gas to Japan. North Korea is in a similar position today. This all relates back to my discussions about ENERGY FRAUD and how it interconnects with all the other frauds being perpetrated against us by Washington...the most topical here is related to WAR FRAUD.

At this point, nations are simply competing in the global energy market place, but that will change soon as oil reserves continue to dwindle world wide, or at least that is what they believe., and nations resort to more desperate measures to protect their economies, including war.

This is the real catcher...the oil and gas cons have literally tied the global economy to petrodollars and our energy addiction will soon turn cancerous with increased conflict, environmental devastation, and economic downturns...even the possibility of a global economic collapse. Yet they insist on making sure the energy empire continues to maximize profits and pump your dollars into a war machine that will not protect you...my fellow Americans...but the corporate interests that will increasingly find it necessary to control American politics in order to maintain their energy profits and power.

So while we can begin conserving throughout America beginning as early as tomorrow, as well as transition to water fueled cars, solar arrays, and other forms of free or at least inexpensive clean energy alternatives, our oil and gas President and Vice-President won't do whats good for our people, our country, or our environment. They'll do what's necessary to protect their corporate benefactors and protect their profits, whether those profits are for Saudi Shieks and Princes or multinational energy consortiums. And that my friends should be grounds for impeachment of both of them for treason!

So yes, the truth is out there, but very complicated. I'm tired...so I'll talk again!

Freebird

Thanks, Freebird. Go catch some zzzzzz's.

I'll try and get the bastards while you nap.

Who'd like to see Rumsfeld indicted?

Okay the catch is, it would have to be in a german court, but every little helps. I just swiped this link from Michael Moore's site, but I'm sure that he won't mind...

Yes, I want the barstard to stand trial!

Tell your friends! The more names we get, the better our chances.

Vive le revolution de velours, mes amis!

Hey Brad,
I heard on Le Show last night Harry Shearer reiterating that the information on the Coalition of the Willing was just released. I sent him an e-mail along with a link to your site to tell him different. Hope he corrects himself about it next week. Thanks for doing a great job and great blog.

There is a lot of rhetoric out there concerning Iran and the coalition.

The gist of it is that even the most "willing" are no longer willing.

What remains to be seen is if Condi can convince them to become "willing" to do the Iran thing.

Dicky and Donny are ready to go. Loosing a few hundred thousand men is no biggie to these "real warrior he-men".

Will W be overcome with the vanity of his "leadership" and be dragged into it by his strings ... seems to be the question now.

It all depends of what the lord says ... developing ... stay tuned ...

Hi, Dredd - The Lord God Karl will tell DUMYA to do as he's told. Lord God Karl made him what he is today, and Lord God Karl can un-make him tomorrow.

I would like to know who's pulling Lord God Karl's strings.

"The lord god Karl"
(...By the way, I'm just testing Winter Patriot's formula for posting a link, on these items I mentioned above, particularly this filmed interview with J.H. Hatfield, the suicide victim who set out to write a book about the pre-president GWB, and opened up a hornet's nest that ultimately stung him to death.

Damn, the links are highlighted, but not working, at least on my computer...

Karl Rove

Hatfield

There. Think I've got it now. Apologies from a first-timer...

Teresa, that's exactly what I've been wondering! As I mentioned at the end of my #12 post, we can see "The lord god Karl" is the hit-man behind all the maneuverings that created "Frankenbush", but who are some of the people supplying the cash to get it done? I'd guess that it's a combination of The C.I.A. (Daddy Bush used to be the chief, remember?) and corporate money. Anybody have any research on this?

My research says that Bush is a member of the Rothschild(spelling?) banking conglomerate, but I can't remember the specific people. It's easy to find. They created the state of Israel. The Bushes are relatively new members. Maybe someone could post the current bigwigs. But they pull the strings, and I think there is some competition for control going on with the other banking families.

I also think everyone is nervous now, as double-crossing could happen at any moment. I don't think our administration is feeling too secure. Good time for us to gather momentum.

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