John you noticed that some politicians are seeking "to avoid voting scandals like those experienced in Florida and Ohio in the past two presidential elections".

That needs to spill over into Pennsylvania where Guliani's guy is a card or two short of a full deck ethically. That is, of course, unless Guliani is "just appealing to his base":

Mr. Asher, a Republican national committeeman who has worked on several major statewide campaigns, was convicted in 1986 of bribery-related charges as part of a scheme to award a no-bid contract to a company in exchange for promises of $300,000 in payoffs and political contributions. The case became nationally known when his co-defendant, R. Budd Dwyer, the Pennsylvania state treasurer, called a news conference and shot himself to death in front of television cameras and dozens of spectators.

(ibid, emphasis added). Not to be outdone, California is drawing the interest of the ethics cameras too.

Yep, we are heading for a really, really "clean" election cycle in '08.

Any nominations for a theme song for '08?

Hi Dredd: How about "We Won't Get Fooled Again" (wishful thinking, eh?) Perhaps a better theme song will be the Rolling Stones classic: "Satisfaction (can't get no)". It appears that the apathy level and/or ignorance level regarding EVM's is appallingly high these days. Is it the old brainwashed "american idealism or bravado" that closes one's mind to the probability of voting machine hacking? Is it the "this can't possibly be going on here" attitude of american superiority at play?

Whatever it is, it's clear that the typical american has his/her head in the sand regarding the stealing of our elections - which probably occurred both in 2000 and 2004. Computer scientists, both independent and at major universities, have already proven that.

And yet, this Congress and the people are dragging their feet on dealing with this problem. We benchmark the progress in Iraq by their ability to hold legitimate elections (albeit under martial law with curfews on the streets) and yet we do little to correct the obvious problems with our own elections.

Is it possible that americans, in this unprecedented level of corruption, are willing to accept the fact that their vote is contaminated? I fear so.

The concept or seeming panacea proposed by those intending to further cloud the issue seems to be the mandate for "paper ballots" as though it is the ultimate fix for the problem. The "quick fix" perhaps --- but only to the undiscerning eye. Isn't it true that if the paper ballot is fed into an "opti scan machine" for the tallying, that this optiscanner can, itself, be compromised quite easily and skew the vote count just as handily?? If this is the case, then the new mantra will be "last one into the opti scanner with their own software will be the winner"??

Where are our voting rights activists right now? As the election of '08 looms overhead and all of the pomp and circumstance is paraded before us (not to mention the megabucks of the upcoming "conventions" which is amoral at this point with our overwhelming national debt), it's becoming clear that the elections of '08 will probably be hacked as well.

Do we really need more proof? The evidence is overwhelming at this point and yet there is no outrage. Perhaps after you stand on line for hours to vote in 08 and then realize that the hackers voted for you, you will stand up and take action?

Then again, perhaps you will simply isolate and insulate yourself even further by rejecting the overwhelming evidence from the scientific community and further sink into "american troglodytism"?

The purpetrators of this heinous violation of our voting rights are counting on it!

Incidentally, the flurry of DOJ focus & firings surrounding the "voter fraud" issue was a smokescreen to provide the appearance that they were on top of the corruption of votes. Of course, it was NOT the problem (people voting with fake ID's)(the trees) but the larger issue of entire voting districts being hacked (the forest!) that was problematic. More importantly, this information was being outed well in advance of the 2004 presidential election! Yes, Harri Hursti (well known swedish programmer) along with blackboxvoting.org provided a controlled experiment illustrating just how easily an EVM (electronic voting machine) could be hacked or compromised to alter the results of the election. This experiment was the basis for the award-winning HBO documentary entitled: "Hacking Democracy" - a must-see for every american. However, since the DOJ, instead, chose to further cloud the issue by shifting the focus to the more insignificant problem of individual voter fraud (as though they were attemepting to correct a contaminated voting system), the people's minds were artificially assuaged (for the moment). Then came the mid-term elections! Of course, they could have been hacked and perhaps even were to a modest degree. Of course, the RNC decided that the tone and tenor of ameircans awakening and becoming concerned that their votes were being hacked en masse necessitated a "hands off" policy which resulted in the Dems taking congress (trees, again) coupled with the concomittant (albeit artificial) sense that there is still integrity left in our voting system so it doesn't need further investigation, while keeping the central focus of stealing the presidential election of 08 (forest, once again)...."what webs we weave when our intention is to deceive"!

Anyone with even a modicum of intelligence and logic can piece this obvious scenario together, if one truly seeks Truth. Of course, the evildoers are counting on a high level of apathy coupled with that predictable sense of american righteousness to veil one's eye from acknowledging the TRUTH.

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Well said.

I liked the documentary "Hacking Democracy". I still am torn between believing we live in Matrix I and believing what we see is reality in american government issues.

Hey, Stalin used paper ballots and remarked "It is not who votes that counts, but who counts the votes".

It takes an honest village to raise an honest election system. Our government these daze "don't need no stinkin honesty".

Nevertheless, we must keep up the good fight.

Dredd: And that we shall! Relinquishing the goal of bringing these issues out of the darkness and into the light is definitely not an option for anyone impassioned toward Truth. Onward & Upward as our quest for Truth continues....

Three steps forward five steps back,..

Look what this Fascist Republican was trying to sell the Senate Judiciary Committee during testimony on June 7, 2007 - don't these Nazis ever stop ?

The Head of the US Civil Rights Commission - claim is that VOTER FRAUD is running rampant coast to coast throughout the USA and law must be written to protect the integrity of our elections from voter fraud.

Where does this jackass get his evidence ? Does he pull turds from the toilet of KKKarl Rove and then call that bonafide evidence of VOTER FRAUD ? That is not VOTER FRAUD - that is more poop from KKKarl Rove.

See video of this unbelievable testimony to the US Senate - Bob Ney may have bought this hook line and sinker. But Schumer likely won't.

Nice propaganda campaign,.. could you show us some truth please. Why doesn't this Fascist do something about mAnn Coulter - and her fraudulent voter registration ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoBvs0oqzvA&e

Try this for the TALKING POINTS source for the video above of the Senate testimony of US Commission on Civil Rights - Commissioner Mr Peter Kirsanow the fascist. Seems both talking points came of the same desk,.. (ACVR)

Click link to open document.