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"Radio Free Anthrax, AP's Sorority Girls and Other Toxic Odds & Ends..."
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COMMENT #1 [Permalink]
said on 8/5/2008 @ 9:20 pm PT...
You make us proud; great reporting. Not from the gaybot clones and helmet head barbies of network news today; but, from the bowels of the internet.
COMMENT #2 [Permalink]
said on 8/5/2008 @ 9:23 pm PT...
COMMENT #3 [Permalink]
said on 8/5/2008 @ 9:41 pm PT...
Wilbur ~ "a creepy, porn-loving drunk" . . .
Why, that's over half the humans in America !
COMMENT #4 [Permalink]
said on 8/5/2008 @ 10:53 pm PT...
He must have expected to meet a dame. Gotta love a gal that will meet you in the mailroom.
COMMENT #5 [Permalink]
said on 8/6/2008 @ 12:56 am PT...
Although it is not impossible or entirely unreasonable to believe Ivins might be the perpetrator if he was the insane, roque bio-weapons expert the guvmint claims he was, it seems highly unlikely. The unique targets, wording, and timing of the lethal letters so conveniently played into the hands of the extremely corrupt heads of our guvmint that were champing at the bit for a pretext to attack Iraq, to portray Muslims as America's enemies, and rush Congress into passing the [Un]Patriot Act to put a tight rein on American citizens' liberties and push us toward a police state and the aggrandizement of power of these corrupt heads of state. This was all just a "coincidental" and fortuitous outcome of this government employee's alleged criminal acts.
It seems incredible in the extreme that a supposedly insane rogue at Fort Detrick could have developed such a focused geo-political strategy for his homicidal acts and no apparent motive for doing so except to express his inner turmoil and rage (and at whom or what?). Because Ivins was supposedly "insane" we are supposed to suspend our natural curiosity to ask why Ivins should have chosen such targets and such a means to unleash his rage. It doesn't have to make sense, according to the FBI. We are to believe them because they tell us to believe.
COMMENT #6 [Permalink]
said on 8/6/2008 @ 1:57 am PT...
After reading the Greenwald stuff it dawned on me that the FBI does this all the time.
It leaks the weaker evidence that they have hoping someone will question it, it helps them to plug holes in same weak evidence or eliminate it all together...a trial balloon...
That's why they leak first before providing what they have, someone might have the answer for them.
Reminds me of the kid who didn't study for the exam in school looking over at the other kids test for the answers.
COMMENT #7 [Permalink]
said on 8/6/2008 @ 5:06 am PT...
Typical "Just Us" behavior. Remember Demjanjuk? Decide who is guilty and create a case. Sometimes it's even believable. But this one meets my dad's pitchfork test. "You don't have to fork over the whole pile to find out what's in it!" Keep swinging that pitchfork! You're doing a lot better than the clowns who decided Ivins was the bad guy. IF he was any kind of a biologist, he coUld NEVER HAVE NADE THE EGREGIOUS ERRORS THAT THE ANTHRAK MAILER DID! Also, if he was the obvious sociopath his revilers make him out to be, he could NEVER have kept his employment at a sensitive Government lab. "There is something rotten - - -etc."
COMMENT #8 [Permalink]
said on 8/6/2008 @ 6:08 am PT...
[Ed Note: Comment deleted. Spam. - BF]
COMMENT #9 [Permalink]
said on 8/6/2008 @ 6:18 am PT...
It seems one fact to come out is that the anthrax spores came through Ivins' lab in Fort Detrick.
Now... how many people had lab access there during the fall of 2001 besides Ivins?
Were careful records kept? (And are now suppressed/lost.)
I believe that shipments of the two anthrax strains were carefully tracked and signed for.... so who signed for them?
This looks and smells like the old patsy routine... and an extremely bad job of scapegoating... isn't it?
Now who has such an MO?.... Why the current administration of course!
COMMENT #10 [Permalink]
said on 8/6/2008 @ 6:50 am PT...
Do they have proof that he was in NJ that day? If so, I'd bet they'd have produced it by now. They've had plenty of time to produce it.
COMMENT #11 [Permalink]
said on 8/6/2008 @ 7:27 am PT...
The “Foreign Terror Attack” that wasn’t.
The “Iraqi Anthrax” that wasn’t.
The Sorority House that doesn’t exist.
The Autopsy that didn’t happen.
The “Therapist” that wasn’t one.
The “Political Motive” that does not exist.
The “Suicide Note” that doesn’t exist.
THE DOG THAT DIDN’T BARK?
Al Qaeda does not exist.
Osama Bin Laden does not exist.
There were NO hijackers on 9/11.
There were NO cell phone calls from planes on 9/11.
No commercial “plane” hit the Pentagon.
Cheney + Rumsfeld = 9/11 + Anthrax.
All the same attack:
Here’s the FBI Agent charged with covering up BOTH attacks:
Here’s where the co-conspirators trained to implement their plan:
COMMENT #12 [Permalink]
said on 8/6/2008 @ 7:35 am PT...
A Bush method of cleaning house before he leaves office.
Who in their right minds would follow orders to purposely destroy someone innocent. I can't conceive anyone being that loyal, you have to live with yourself.
COMMENT #13 [Permalink]
said on 8/6/2008 @ 8:03 am PT...
Kmac, a good part of it is incompetence with a little greed mixed in.
Loyalty/ideology with a little fear of lead poisoning also.
Take your pick.
COMMENT #14 [Permalink]
said on 8/6/2008 @ 8:20 am PT...
Fearmongering = Profit
Jerome Hauer’s Role:
Why did Cheney, CEO of Halliburton, acquire Dresser Industries, whose liabilities included billions of dollars in Asbestos-related lawsuits?
In 1998, Dresser merged with its main rival, Halliburton, and is now known as Halliburton Company. Dick Cheney negotiated the $7.7-billion deal, reportedly having done so during a weekend of quail-hunting. In 2001, Halliburton was forced to settle the asbestos lawsuits that it acquired as a result of purchasing Dresser, causing the company's stock price to fall by eighty percent in just over a year.
How did Cheney ensure that the biggest Asbestos liabilities would go away?
COLLEGE STUDENTS DYING FROM INHALED ASBESTOS:
How did Bush play his part?
GW included the issue in his State of the Union speech in 2005:
"To make our economy stronger and more competitive, America must reward, not punish, the efforts and dreams of entrepreneurs. Small business is the path of advancement, especially for women and minorities, so we must free small businesses from needless regulation and protect honest job-creators from junk lawsuits. (Applause.) Justice is distorted, and our economy is held back by irresponsible class-actions and frivolous asbestos claims --- and I urge Congress to pass legal reforms this year."
While you're connecting the dots...connect ALL the dots.
COMMENT #15 [Permalink]
said on 8/6/2008 @ 9:24 am PT...
I'm understanding a different, more reasonable motive, that might suggest that Ivins WAS the attacker. He developed a vaccine for VaxGen, which lost out on government contracts to Bioport because of heavy lobbying with former Dick Cheney aides. Apparently, based on this Randi Rhodes report from the other day, Ivins would have made a lot of money had the government went with VaxGen. So maybe, just maybe, he was posing as a terrorist and liberal hater to make us think it wasn't him. Just a thought. I'm curious what others think of this angle.
COMMENT #16 [Permalink]
said on 8/6/2008 @ 9:51 am PT...
COMMENT #17 [Permalink]
said on 8/6/2008 @ 10:29 am PT...
I think the official version would have a bit more believable twist if he was suicided by means of a sure-fire concoction. According to Marylands Medical Examiner's website law requires an autopsy for all suspicious deaths. Assuming everything was done within the law, the family must have had religious beliefs that prohibited post mortem examination that the Medical Examiner was unable to have a court injunction overturned.
COMMENT #18 [Permalink]
said on 8/6/2008 @ 12:44 pm PT...
Glad you're on this story, Brad. Sadly it points out how far we still have to go with regards to our so-called media. Why would ANYONE accept this "suicide" uncritically? How stupid are these mopes? haven't they seen "Michael Clayton"? Mean, motive, opportunity. Who has MOTIVE to off Ivins? The real perpetrator, of course--to use him as a fall guy. It's so friggin' obvious, yet as usual the MSM falls into line uncritically accepting the official story form a government with a 100% lack of credibility. Christ.
Hey, mainstream media --- WAKE THE HELL UP!
COMMENT #19 [Permalink]
said on 8/6/2008 @ 1:44 pm PT...
Now they are claiming that he took a machine home from the lab that was capable of making small batches of dry, powdered anthrax in one day. If true, that would be pretty convincing evidence that he had the capability to do it. Presumably there are logs showing when the machine was checked in and checked out of the lab. He does appear to have been a vodka-swilling, pill-popping nut job from what some of his co-workers have said. Although there does seem to be many inconsistencies with much of the released "evidence," we shall see if they don't get ironed out as more evidence is released. I don't know what to think.
COMMENT #20 [Permalink]
said on 8/6/2008 @ 1:54 pm PT...
The whole pile is out now iffin you want to stare at it
COMMENT #21 [Permalink]
said on 8/6/2008 @ 2:18 pm PT...
Yesterday, Tuesday, Aug. 5th, my wife and I both heard on our NPR station that Ivins was in a play as a high school student, and he was cast in the role of a murderer. So there you have it.
I'm serious. It was offered up without laughter, as though it was actually meaningful.
When things like that get reported, that's when you know that the reporters on the ground don't like how they are being treated, and so they serve up stuff that will seem to serve their masters' ends, but really do more to point out that this just isn't even remotely news any more, but just pure BS propaganda.
For the love of truth,
COMMENT #22 [Permalink]
said on 8/6/2008 @ 2:20 pm PT...
Maybe it's coincidence but this story is so similar to the suicide - now ruled homicide - death of Dr David Kelly of the UK who had top secret clearance and was reported to have committed suicide just before his trial for revealing state secrets about falsified documents used to approve the invasion of Iraq. He was found in woods near his house in a staged death made to look like suicide. I guess the bushes are just tying up loose ends before he runs out the door.
COMMENT #23 [Permalink]
said on 8/6/2008 @ 2:23 pm PT...
The main point is the government doesn't care if the Ivins story is consistant - they want you to know that they can cause the death of a random citizen who may have something to do with a government sponsored event, and THIS is a tactic used by Mao and other totalitarian regimes to freighten people into submission.
COMMENT #24 [Permalink]
said on 8/6/2008 @ 2:35 pm PT...
Quoting a bit of TEDEGER COMMENT #7 "IF he was any kind of a biologist, he coUld NEVER HAVE NADE THE EGREGIOUS ERRORS THAT THE ANTHRAK MAILER DID!"
Um, what errors are you talking about? People died, people were very scared, so ...?
COMMENT #25 [Permalink]
said on 8/6/2008 @ 3:15 pm PT...
One egregious error was to make it so readily traceable to his own lab. Ivins would have known that was doable, whereas powerful but stupid others would not.
COMMENT #26 [Permalink]
said on 8/6/2008 @ 4:00 pm PT...
Does anybody remember that the lab that kept all the reference samples of anthrax, I think it may have been in Iowa, destroyed all the samples right away supposedly after asking the FBI if they should destroy them?
COMMENT #27 [Permalink]
said on 8/6/2008 @ 4:13 pm PT...
Dr. David Irwin, Psychiatrist, Gaithersberg, MD, attached to the Shady Grove Adventist Hospital, MD Medical License No D01714.
Has anybody bothered to follow up on the Jean Duley reference to this person?
COMMENT #28 [Permalink]
said on 8/6/2008 @ 5:52 pm PT...
ou're a biologist, presumably with knowledge that you're carrying death in flimsy envelopes. You drive several hundred miles to mail them? Also look at the notes that came along with the deadly packages. NO scientist would have written them that way. And the clumsy reference to Allah - Muslims respect their creator, and the Quran prohibits the use of His name in this fashion.
COMMENT #29 [Permalink]
said on 8/6/2008 @ 8:04 pm PT...
COMMENT #30 [Permalink]
said on 8/6/2008 @ 9:20 pm PT...
Brad I read that drivel in the Post today.. How's this for a slam dunk?:
"As for motive, investigators seemed to offer two possible reasons for the attacks: that the brilliant scientist wanted to bolster support for a vaccine he helped create and that the anti-abortion Catholic targeted two pro-choice Catholic lawmakers.
According to an affidavit filed by Charles B. Wickersham, a postal inspector, the scientist told an unnamed co-worker "that he had `incredible paranoid, delusional thoughts at times' and 'feared that he might not be able to control his behavior.'"
A mental health worker who was involved in treating Ivins disclosed last week that she was so concerned about his behavior that she recently sought a court order to keep him away from her. "
~ LARA JAKES JORDAN and MATT APUZZO, Associated Press Writers
COMMENT #31 [Permalink]
said on 8/6/2008 @ 9:56 pm PT...
Question: WHY NOW? What is so important about right now that the FIBBIES pushed until, it seems, they broke him? I'm not saying I'm 100% right, but this stinks like the standard FIBBIE bullcrap. Who can trust these clowns, these tools? What mischief are the Feds up to, and what is their next step?
COMMENT #32 [Permalink]
said on 8/8/2008 @ 9:05 pm PT...
Did you guys see this by Andrew Tilghman (TPM) Great questions that will not likely be answered but better than a kick in the ass with a frozen boot I guess...
"Last night, Sen. Charles Grassley (R-IA) sent a three-page letter to Attorney General Michael Mukasey and FBI Director Robert Mueller III, asking them to respond to 18 questions about virtually every aspect of the probe."
COMMENT #33 [Permalink]
said on 8/8/2008 @ 9:20 pm PT...
#23 marzi You know I think you may have hit the nail on the head. I really believe the FBI, CIA, the bush criminal gang know who actually did it, may have paid them to do it...
Oh... how do you ever get out from under this dictatorship? You need a surge badly, a reaming (no not in a dirty way but like this definition, "the dentist reamed out the debris in the course of the root canal treatment" of all the evil.
COMMENT #34 [Permalink]
said on 8/8/2008 @ 9:26 pm PT...
You know Bamboo I may have to change my name too after tonight
It's your cheap, but good, Yankee Jim beer... by Big Hole Brewing Co. so say no more.
COMMENT #35 [Permalink]
said on 8/13/2008 @ 12:42 pm PT...
Suicide by acetaminophen poisoning? That's a crappy way to die. Seriously. At best, death occurs within a week. Otherwise, it's up to a month of hospitalization with agonizing liver failure, and other problems.
COMMENT #36 [Permalink]
said on 8/13/2008 @ 2:45 pm PT...
At about the 20 minute mark of the last interview I think the "theripist" may have had access to Ivins past psyche records, as Brad suggests, but more likely than that, is that she probably had an FBI agent telling her that Ivins was the Anthrax killer and was feeding her the "forensic" psyche report that the FBI did in the aftermath of the anthrax attack. Here is the math:
Anthrax attacks occur + FBI psychologists accurately diagnose that whoever did it must be a total psycho + FBI agent tells Dulley that Ivins is the killer + original diagnosis of unknown psycho is attributed to Ivins by Dulley as a matter of fact = boozehound testifies in court that Ivins is a "revenge killer"
COMMENT #37 [Permalink]
said on 8/13/2008 @ 5:59 pm PT...
The illusion here is that anyone might truth-movement their way out of this mess, or, vote their way out of this mess, or, perhaps just be-smarter-than-these-guys-are their way out of this mess?
Not a snowball's chance in hell do you have here though. These guys are professionals.
You'll all go to sleep tonight thinking someone is on the job and taking care of business. And they are.
The very same people who did 9-11 and the anthrax attacks are doing exactly that. They run the whole show. They fight on both sides in every war, and they investigate themselves endlessly.
Sleep tight! Happy dreams!
But wake up tomorrow with a whole new attitude about what the truth is.
COMMENT #38 [Permalink]
said on 8/14/2008 @ 12:13 am PT...
[Y]ou're a biologist, presumably with knowledge that you're carrying death in flimsy envelopes. You drive several hundred miles to mail them? ~TEDEGER
Hey, you're a highly specialized bioweapons scientist, but you choose to take your life with
codeine acetaminophen, which takes two full days to kill you.
Who writes this stuff?