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   Dredd said on 2/12/2008 @ 12:35pm PT: [Permalink]

   I won’t miss the elite warmonger.

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   Soul Rebel said on 2/12/2008 @ 12:53pm PT: [Permalink]

   Dodd’s senate Telecom immunity bill fails…

   Obama votes to preserve privacy, Clinton misses the vote…

   18 Democrats vote to invade our privacy unconstitutionally, the usual suspects.

   Roll Call

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   Dredd said on 2/12/2008 @ 1:05pm PT: [Permalink]

   Dodd is still speaking even as we blog, and he is explaining that the federal courts, under the American constitution, decide what is constitutional and what is not.

   There are 40 court cases against the telecoms going now, some brought by several of the United States.

   Those cases should decide the issue, not senators who are in the pockets of big money or who are dazed and confused.

   The vote on FISA will be later today.

   Romney would and will take the neoCon position.

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   Soul Rebel said on 2/12/2008 @ 2:16pm PT: [Permalink]

   How did I read that the roll call vote had already been taken the? It was recorded for today at 11:03

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   Dredd said on 2/12/2008 @ 2:28pm PT: [Permalink]

   Soul Rebel #4

   There were many roll call votes on amendments, and there are still other processes to follow. (I point them out in this link). Amendments always go first, because otherwise no one knows what the final bill as amended really is.

   The actual bill will be voted on later today, after several more senators speak against the bill.

   Leahy (Judiciary Chairman) just got thru speaking and he told it like it is. This is a bill to immunize the bushie criminals, not the telecoms. I mean the real behind the scenes purpose.

   This administration is the most lawless in history, and they have done something to the senators who are afraid to oppose the regime.

   I think they have been threatened or blackmailed by the very spying mechanism Leahy urged them to reject.

   What does the preznit blush regime have on them or otherwise threaten them with?

   Say goodbye to Mitt for sure, but also possibly the 4th Amendment of our Bill of Rights.

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   Dredd said on 2/12/2008 @ 2:44pm PT: [Permalink]

   Daily Kos has some good threads on the FISA ideological wars going on. I recommend we read them too.

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   Dredd said on 2/12/2008 @ 3:33pm PT: [Permalink]

   Supreme bushie (Mitt too) says courts can’t stop torture:

   Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia rejected the notion that US courts have any control over the actions of American troops at Guantanamo Bay, argued that torture of terror detainees is not banned under the US Constitution and insisted that the high court has no obligation to act as a moral beacon for other nations.

   “We don’t pretend to be some Western Mullahs who decide what is right and wrong for the whole world,” Scalia told a BBC interviewer Tuesday, defending narrow interpretation of the reach the US Constitution gives the nine justices on the country’s high court.

   Scalia said it was “extraordinary” to suggest that the 8th Amendment, which prohibits the government from engaging in “cruel and unusual punishment,” could be applied to the actions of US interrogators questioning foreign subjects detained overseas. In his view, Scalia said that while the 8th Amendment would prohibit locking up someone indefinitely as punishment for a crime, for example, the CIA or military would be perfectly justified keeping a suspected insurgent or member of al Qaeda imprisoned forever if the detainee refused to answer questions.

   (Scalia wags tongue). What fascism? What election machine problems?

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   Soul Rebel said on 2/12/2008 @ 3:38pm PT: [Permalink]

   Thanks Dredd. Always appreciate the insight.

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   molly said on 2/12/2008 @ 5:24pm PT: [Permalink]

   Pelosi holding private meetings with Boner to see how they can pull off an immunity bill for the House. I don’t think the House will do it. Too many democrats..not enough sell outs like the Senate. I know I know I misspelled Boner. Couldn’t help it.

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    Big Dan said on 2/12/2008 @ 8:44pm PT: [Permalink]

    Telecom immunity vote:

    YEA – to NOT give immunity (ZERO REPUBLICANS!):

    YEAs —31
    Akaka (D-HI)
    Baucus (D-MT)
    Biden (D-DE)
    Bingaman (D-NM)
    Boxer (D-CA)
    Brown (D-OH)
    Byrd (D-WV)
    Cantwell (D-WA)
    Cardin (D-MD)
    Casey (D-PA)
    Dodd (D-CT)
    Dorgan (D-ND)
    Durbin (D-IL)
    Feingold (D-WI)
    Harkin (D-IA)
    Kennedy (D-MA)
    Kerry (D-MA)
    Klobuchar (D-MN)
    Lautenberg (D-NJ)
    Leahy (D-VT)
    Levin (D-MI)
    Menendez (D-NJ)
    Murray (D-WA)
    Obama (D-IL)
    Reed (D-RI)
    Reid (D-NV)
    Sanders (I-VT)
    Schumer (D-NY)
    Tester (D-MT)
    Whitehouse (D-RI)
    Wyden (D-OR)

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    Big Dan said on 2/12/2008 @ 8:45pm PT: [Permalink]

    NAYs —67
    Alexander (R-TN)
    Allard (R-CO)
    Barrasso (R-WY)
    Bayh (D-IN)
    Bennett (R-UT)
    Bond (R-MO)
    Brownback (R-KS)
    Bunning (R-KY)
    Burr (R-NC)
    Carper (D-DE)
    Chambliss (R-GA)
    Coburn (R-OK)
    Cochran (R-MS)
    Coleman (R-MN)
    Collins (R-ME)
    Conrad (D-ND)
    Corker (R-TN)
    Cornyn (R-TX)
    Craig (R-ID)
    Crapo (R-ID)
    DeMint (R-SC)
    Dole (R-NC)
    Domenici (R-NM)
    Ensign (R-NV)
    Enzi (R-WY)
    Feinstein (D-CA)
    Grassley (R-IA)
    Gregg (R-NH)
    Hagel (R-NE)
    Hatch (R-UT)
    Hutchison (R-TX)
    Inhofe (R-OK)
    Inouye (D-HI)
    Isakson (R-GA)
    Johnson (D-SD)
    Kohl (D-WI)
    Kyl (R-AZ)
    Landrieu (D-LA)
    Lieberman (ID-CT)
    Lincoln (D-AR)
    Lugar (R-IN)
    Martinez (R-FL)
    McCain (R-AZ)
    McCaskill (D-MO)
    McConnell (R-KY)
    Mikulski (D-MD)
    Murkowski (R-AK)
    Nelson (D-FL)
    Nelson (D-NE)
    Pryor (D-AR)
    Roberts (R-KS)
    Rockefeller (D-WV)
    Salazar (D-CO)
    Sessions (R-AL)
    Shelby (R-AL)
    Smith (R-OR)
    Snowe (R-ME)
    Specter (R-PA)
    Stabenow (D-MI)
    Stevens (R-AK)
    Sununu (R-NH)
    Thune (R-SD)
    Vitter (R-LA)
    Voinovich (R-OH)
    Warner (R-VA)
    Webb (D-VA)
    Wicker (R-MS)

    Not Voting – 2
    Clinton (D-NY)—>>>>>>>> HELLO!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Graham (R-SC)

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    Big Dan said on 2/12/2008 @ 8:47pm PT: [Permalink]

    http://www.senate.gov/legislati...038;vote=00015

    btw? They slice/dice it every way you want…EXCEPT BY PARTY! Do they think we’re stupid? So we can’t see that 100% of Republicans voted for telecom immunity!

    Vote Summary, By Senator Name, By Vote Position, By Home State…WHAT ABOUT BY PARTY???

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    Big Dan said on 2/12/2008 @ 8:57pm PT: [Permalink]

    So, that’s Obama voting NOT to give telecom immunity, McCain voted YES to give telecom immunity. And Clinton didn’t vote.

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    sadunkal said on 2/12/2008 @ 9:01pm PT: [Permalink]

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=...eature=related

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    Dredd said on 2/13/2008 @ 6:02am PT: [Permalink]

    Yes Big Dan, and to do away with the Fourth Amendment to the American Constitution.