I wish they'd investigate their sins with such passion! Assholes!

I think the passion is about running from the realization of their sins.

Wake up America or start refering to our country as Oceania. I wonder if when Bush refers to the Bible he really means 1984.

Actually maybe now that journalists and senators are being threatened there will be a 10 million man march and finally get these guys outta here. This is really ridiculous!

IMPEACH BUSH AND CHENEY AND ANYONE ELSE THAT SIDES WITH THEM!

Scumbags!

Listening to Christopher Hitchens on Hardball trying to spin the White House version of the port security issue. Really humorous.

The Bush cabal is imploding and the Republicans are going to lead the charge to oust the gang. Why should the Democrats do anything but watch the show and just try to edge to the right of Bush on this issue? Why fire up the Republican base when Bush is wallowing at 34 percent?

As long as we have the Internet, screw the MSM, because we're not going get a fair shake from the corporate elite.

I suggest we just sit back and let the GOP cut its own throat.

The difference between the Plame case and This NSA leak case is your persoinal political beliefs.

You libs set the Plame example, expect it to be followed.

Let's see, you want information leaks on National Security issues, but you don't want information leaks on CIA employees. You don't think that millions of Americans are at risk from National Security leaks, but somehow you think that a CIA employee sitting at a desk is at risk from a reporter's leak.

Can you explain that to me please, in a polite way?

The Plame case may easily be distinguished from a case of someone 'leaking' the existence of a program of suspect legality. Outing a CIA agent illegally to retaliate against lawful opposition, if that is what occurred, is eminently different from outing a program or other government action that is, or may be, against the law. "Following the Plame example" would restrict 'following' to appropriate circumstances.

Lou Marino, #5, the problem with just sitting back and letting the pigs implode is that PEOPLE DIE while you're lolling around waiting for the dictatorship to snuff itself out. Don't think there won't be a next wave, either, if all we do is sit on our hands.

Agent 99...I'll wait to hear what suggestions you have to offer to correct the situation. March? Honk your horn? Write Congress? Noble, but not effective, at least not yet.

I think Bush should let Saddam out of jail and tell him to take over the reins of Iraq again. We are now tilting toward the Sunnis to offset the democracy-produced Shia government.

But will Bush listen? I don't think so..

What have people throughout history done when oppressed this badly? How can dying for your country be worse than dying FROM it?

#s 6 & 7

Repeat 100 times:

Expose law breaking by the Government = Patriot

Expose undercover agents for political reasons = Traitor

Now do you get it?

Agent 99...Remember the Buddists in Vietnam in the mid '60s? They used to pour gasoline and self immolate themselves.

Is that what you are suggesting? In front of the White House? GW and Laura will probably come out and toast marshmellows as you/we burn.

Come on...get serious. Or, do you mean, take up arms and grab control. I don't get it?

OT (Kind of)

23RD QUALM

"Bush is my shepherd; I dwell in want.
He maketh logs to be cut down in national forests.
He leadeth trucks into the still wilderness.
He restoreth my fears.
He leadeth me in the paths of international disgrace for his ego's
sake.
Yea, though I walk through the valley of pollution and war,
I will find no exit, for thou art in office.
Thy tax cuts for the rich and thy media control, they discomfort me.
Thou preparest an agenda of deception in the presence of thy religion.
Thou anointest my head with foreign oil.
My health insurance runneth out.
Surely megalomania and false patriotism shall follow me all the days
of thy term,
And my jobless child shall dwell in my basement forever."

Received in an email from a friend.

#6 and #7:

Let's first look at what each so-called "leak" case suggests:

1. Plame case: Covert CIA operative outed by someone highly placed in the WH (Cheney) exclusively for the political purpose of punishing the operative's spouse (because spouse told the truth) and with reckless disregard for the consequences on the other covert CIA operatives; destroying an elaborate 20-year covert operation through a CIA front company called Brewster, Jennings & Co, being carried on in Saudi Arabia, China, Iran, Iraq, Libya, North Korea, Pakistan, Russia and Syria; that cost multi-$millions to construct - dealing with WMD; which may have resulted in the deaths of over 70 CIA operatives (but we'll never know) and hundreds of people who supplied information to the operatives. By the way, this violates the Intelligence Identities Protection Act of 1982, and it is TREASON if CIA operatives did die.

2. NSA Spying: Someone (probably more than one) inside the NSA became alarmed at the extent of warrantless spying ON AMERICANS without following FISA requirements. Apparently, over 325,000 names are on National Counterterrorism Center's central repository (probably 320,000 of which are just simple human beings.) FISA is about spying on FOREIGN agents; not Americans because the 6th Amendment to the U.S. CONSTITUTION ABSOLUTELY BARS THE WH from spying on Americans without showing probable cause. The WH refuses to show anyone who they are spying on, which makes them terribly suspect. Query; why? Hint: The WH is spying on political enemies and subversive folks like PETA, vegetarians, and people against the Iraq war (and that list is growing.)

So, comparing the two cases:

A. Destroying a CIA operation and placing a HUGE number of CIA operatives at risk of DEATH.

vs.

B. Whistleblowing on a corrupt administration that is spying on Americans

Gee, tough call!

BTW - ALL foreign countries know that they are being spied upon by ALL other countries. No big surprise here. Do you think Osama BenLaden would use a regular cell phone to communicate? Oh, and no operations were damaged and no lives were put at risk and no major financial outlays and elaborate plans got dusted when someone blew the whistle on the illegal wiretapping.

But what is really disgusting is that Congress is going to let the WH continue to violate the CONSTITUTION and spy on Americans. It makes me ill. Shame on all of them!

Here is the text of the 6th Amendment:
" . . . . .The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

The difference is that the CIA leaks are exposing corruption. NSA spying is not. Nice try, rightwingers!

This is like your rightwing hypocrisy, that Bush bashing is not OK, but Clinton bashing is OK and Ann Coulter's hatemongering comments are OK. Boy! Are you people stupid!

I will put into words what the rightwingers are saying, because they cannot. Rightwingers are saying they are FOR prosecuting whisleblowers who expose government corruption, and are FOR exposing covert CIA agents and putting their lives, their families lives, their American operation, and the lives of their contacts at risk.

BUT...not if the president is a Democrat!

Prantha --- Just to correct the record - that's the 4th Amendment. I work with them all the time and still get the numbers mixed up now and then, too.

Arry:

You are absolutely correct! I was looking at the original Draft of the Bill of Rights (at http://www.constitution.org/billofr_.htm) and grabbed
No. 6 (which it originally was. Silly me.)

Of course it is 4th!

Thanks,

Pran

Some verry good points made here but don't expect these nits to back down. They ARE Hitler's stormtroopers reincarnated. The self hatred they have is turned outward to anyone that makes sense because they can't.

BTW, God is NOT a republican. Christ said "Ye shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free". The last thing the republicans want is the truth to be known.

Lou, the monks' profound statement was lost on most of the world, but my statement was not even a little difficult to discern. Have a cup of coffee or something....

There is something that can be done now. Do not pay income taxes if you are a democrat. The democrats have been shut out of the legislative process. They actually represent more people. This house and senate continues to do illegal stuff shutting out the democrats, as well as bushco. Taxes support war and torture. Don't buy cable or go to walmart. The thugs only understand money. Each year under bushco the DOD "loses" a trillion dollars. Nobody is really looking for it either. 8 billion lost in Iraq plus the oil revenues. I saw on public tv Sunday that 8 trillion has been lost in the stock market since 2000. No taxation without representation. April 15th have a symbolic throw teabags iin the Boston Harbor. Invite Willie and Bruce Springsteen. I'm gettin' carried away. Forgive. But love a party

Reps. Markey (MA) and Maloney (NY) introduced new whistleblower legislation today. See http://www.nswbc.org/Pre...0Release%20March%209.htm

Get ready for the attempt at a full dictatorship. The thing that Bush is po'ed about is the fact he has been caught with his hand in the cookie jar. The fact that he clearly has no regard for the Constitution or the best interests of this country. He is a wolf in lambs clothing planning the corporate takeover of America and it's people.

Molly, that would be great! Go ahead and not pay your income taxes. It may take a year or so, but you'll end up in jail! Less Demos to vote the better!

But seriously, folks.....

I asked for a polite explaination and I got it from BB. Others like Bluebear and Prantha explained it good enough but were sarcastic and their facts are only from their side's point-of-view. Big Dan just seems to enjoy being a jerk, simple enough.

Roger, Roger, Roger.... Take your hate and bury it deep. I think you need to listen to actual WWII veterans who served in Germany and possibly some Jews who survived the Nazi camps. If you were really educated on that issue, then you and other liberals like that CO high school teacher would not really make that comparision. I read here that you were in Germany while in the Army. Did you visit the old Nazi death camps? If not, you should have. If you did, maybe YOU didn't get it.

Folks, the country is run by the people who were elected by the majority of the people who went to vote. If you didn't vote, don't complain. If you did vote, great! But your side lost by 3.5 Million votes. If you can't take that, go live somewhere else. My neighboor from Costa Rica says that a lot of ex-Americans live there. It's a socialist country with no military. You liberals would fit in just fine!

Jasmes James James.

If you want to live in a dictatorship perhaps you should go live in Russia. Or 1930's Germany. You would have fit right in. If you can't see that our democracy is being stolen, not elected, away, I feel sorry for you. And if you do see it and are willing to go along with, then you are just a traitor.

Bush stole the election by preying on the fears of the american public in 04. Everytime he needs help the boogyman comes out. As far as the majority vote in 00 he did not have the popular vote, he had his brother Jebs help in Florida and Gore actually had the majority of the votes but still lost. As far as me being a liberal I am far from it. You actually believe in the false left right and the choice they give you but the choice is the same. Nothing changes, this is a Republic hi-jacked by the Democracy in place today. Tell me what happens when the 8.5 trillion in debt is called back from all the ones owed? The buy ports and other US assets.

PS
In 2000, Bush LOST the popular election. You're not even worth trying to convince. People like you don't ever want to see the truth. You just want to be on the "winning" (I use that term loosely) side. Wining isn't everything, it's the only thing, is your motto and you don't care how you do it. Here in the last election where I live the republican majority got CRUSHED, a majority they had held for quite a while, but people here got fed up with the corruption scandals and that would happen all over the country if we had voting machines that could be trusted. Your side is so afraid of getting machines like that you have to use strongarm tactics like they are using against Ion Sancho in Florida. That's polite enough. Now go suck an egg.

James, read and research your history before you spew propoganda. Take a good hard look and see who helped finance Hitler...hmmm seems to me Prescott Bush was involved in it. Look it up and see it posted all over the net. Look up the fact that right now Haliburton is building prison camps across the US now. Look up about the RFID chips they are planning on using, guess that's way better than a tatoo huh, should look good on you. Then tell US and the teacher in CO we are wrong, btw he said some people compare Bush to Hitler, not that he thought that way, although I am sure he does now.

Lou Marino #5

You said "... Christopher Hitchens on Hardball trying to spin the White House version ..."

I agree that it was humorous. But I really detected some psychotic patterns in Hitchens' diatribe. I don't know if it was his own psychosis or the white house psychosis showing thru ... or perhaps both.

You said "I suggest we just sit back and let the GOP cut its own throat".

Yep, after all republicans have chairmanship of each and every committee in the Senate and in the House. Republicans have the majority of votes on each and every committee in the Senate and in the House. The republican congress is clearly a rubber stamp of the dictators who run the white house.

Republicans are the heads of the Pentagon, Department of War (renamed DoD), Department of State, Department of Treasury, Department of Environmental Protection, Department of HEW, HUD, FHA, and everything else.

If the minority party democrats try to pretend to run the joint, they can't, and will be blamed for the way things are. That is because the MSM is republican, and they like to blame the democrat victims for republican crimes, rather than the republican criminals who did it.

The republicans are hopeless addicts to the toxins in power, and will only get worse. I agree that since democrats in congress can not do anything about it, they should not try to help the republicans from self-destructing.

The American voting public are the ones that must administer the cure, the punishment, the rejection, and justice to the criminal republicans who are the dictatorial party in power.

Greetings Bradblog.com! My name is Thomas Holbrook II, and I have an Internet radio show on the Revere Radio Network called Beyond the Paradigm.

I was wondering if you could make the streaming video available in WMV format so that it can be posted on Revere Radio Network's website as well? We too are opposed to the Bush Administration and their attacks on the Bill of Rights. Thank you very much and have a wonderful day.

Hello Roger, how are you? You were doing fine until the last sentence of #30. While all answers are responses, not all responses are answers. You did not answer my question! Did you or did you not visit the death camps when you were in Germany?

The media does not play those pictures of what the Nazi's did nor do they play the videos of the World Trade Center collapse. The only time you'll see them is on the History Channel. Why is that? We should all be reminded of how terrible those events were. The media is in your back pocket and you know it. Who cares who owns the huge corporations that own the TV news and newspapers? The reporters themselves are about 85% liberal, maybe more. Those who try to blow the whistle on the group-think liberalism in the press room are quickly hammered. So don't give me the line I've seen elsewhere about news corporations being controled by Republicans, I've heard that crud before and it's BS. The mainstream media is Republican? Ha! It would be nice of the MSM was balanced and kept their bias in check, but they don't.

Roger, I don't see what you see in your conspiracy-filled world, so don't feel sorry for me. I'm sorry that good, intelligent people all across the country are seeing their own boogeyman. You've been watching GoreTV and Michael Moore movies too much. Gotta stop that, man, it's bad for you.

If you don't like my suggestion of Costa Rica, then go with someone else's suggestion here of New Zealand. Or go back to Germany... well, they did just elect a somewhat conservative government, so maybe you would not be happy there.

Roger, you don't have to convince me that President G.W.Bush lost the popular election in 2000. I understand that. However, what you and your far-left liberals wacko friends don't seem to understand and/or accept is the Electoral College. It was put in place by our Founding Father for a good reason, so that big population states would not always have the upper hand over small population states.

I don't like it when you say I don't want the truth. That's not right, man. If the truth is that Republicans did something wrong, I can admit that like ex-Rep. Cunningham in CA. Can you admit when your guys are wrong? Like Senator Harry Reid in attacking certain Republicans for taking money from Jack Abramof and it turns out that Reid took money from Abramof's employees too. Then there is Rep. John Conyers(D-MI) getting his staff to do personal errands for him. Hello?
http://www.washingtonpost.com, March 8th.

Duane K, you have an interesting post. I have not looked up what you said yet, but..... Are you saying that a man is guilty of his grandfather's crime? Sins of the father? To use that thinking, if my father kills your father, then you would want to kill me. Do you really want to go there?

As for RFID, you are referring to people having them implanted in their body, something that I'll never submit to. I read an article about that recently, that a company was doing that. Sorry, I can't remember where I saw that.

Haliburton? You still stuck on that? Scheez, give it a rest! I've heard that Haliburton and it's subsidiaries are the ONLY companies that do what they do. One guy at the local Pep-Boys store told me that he used to work for a Haliburton sub and he was in Iraq for a while doing support work for our troops. I thanked him for that, something that you liberals don't do. Think about that!

James #34,

You said:
>> I've heard that Haliburton and it's subsidiaries are the ONLY companies that do what they do.

You "heard" wrong. There are lots of companies that do what Halliburton does. But they are not as connected to the WH as Halliburton. This is propaganda, fed to "the people" through the MSM. A little research on Google will show you.

>> One guy at the local Pep-Boys store told me that he used to work for a Haliburton sub and he was in Iraq for a while doing support work for our troops.

He was likely paid $100,000 to do it, whereas the military guys who were working right next to him were receiving $27,000 (average.)

>> I thanked him for that, something that you liberals don't do. Think about that!

I have never met one to thank him.

Pran

James
One, I don't like a whole lot of democrats either but republicans have proven themselves to be phoneys. As I've posted before, I am independent and I would like to see an independent movement in this country. Money has soured the political landscape of our country.
Two, No I did not visit the death camps but that doesn't mean I don't know about them. I've seen a lot of footage from that horrible era and I thank God it's over. The thing is, we don't want it repeated anywhere in the world again, especially here. Unfortuately things like that HAVEN'T stopped. Darfur, for one. Tell me, did you have a problem with Clinton sending in troops to stop the genocide in Kosovo? That to me was a proper usage of our military.
Third, corporations buy both republicans and democrats but it seems to me that republicans are more willing to give them what they want.
Fourth, I've seen video of the twin towers falling many times and it's burned into my memory. Here on Long Island I could see the smoke and going towards the city you could smell it. I haven't fogotten a thing. But there's a side of me that says vilolence begets violence. And for a president to send our military into an uncertain conflict to look for wepons that they were told didn't exist and then immaturely mocks the search for those weapons, in the oval office no less, makes my blood boil.
Last, stop putting liberals down. Both sides have their respective demons but if it wasn't for 'liberal' thought, America would never have been founded.

P.S.
Are you a scientoligist, James? The "Hello. How are you" (the way you use it) smacks of a technique they use called 'bullbaiting." The last thing you seem to care about is how I am.

Where are you James?

1984

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