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   Doug Eldritch said on 1/7/2006 @ 7:08pm PT: [Permalink]

   John- It’s not just Diebold which has a problem delivering what they sold, its the entire political-PR agenda machine.

   This little tidbit is going to set fires off again….

   http://pasco.tbo.com/pasco/MGB0N3REYAE.html

   Public Research Institute the same place that wrote that slander-piece against verified voting, is a fully laced propaganda-machine being introduced through-out the states attempting to derail paper trails…..

   These guys don’t want verified paper and they are making alot of noise, even asking secretaries to not sign any election bills and are claiming everyone against e-voting are "conspiracy theorists"…..

   This is a well funded group that links right back to K-Street, your friends the lobbyists and now I even see they are acquainted with the American Enterprise Institute….

   This group with an agenda is, and I say this without any conspiracy-theory attached, working for the neocons. Something is brewing in all the states and I can tell that guy who just got into the FEC, Van, is connected to it…..Campaign out there against voting integrity has begun.

   Doug E.

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   Catherine a said on 1/7/2006 @ 9:32pm PT: [Permalink]

   Doug,

   I think you mean the Pacific Research Institute.

   See the BBV thread here for fascinating info about its Board, funders, etc. (Hint–one of the Board members belongs to the White House Writers Group. Exxon is one of their funders.)

   http://www.bbvforums.org/forums.../73/15728.html

   Also has a link contributed by Robert Munyer to a very revealing article "Meet the Press: How James Glassman reinvented journalism–as lobbying."
   Relevant sections of the article are at the end of the BBV thread mentioned above; the full article is here:
   http://www.washingtonmonthly.co...onfessore.html

   Enjoy.

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   GreyHawk said on 1/8/2006 @ 3:02am PT: [Permalink]

   This is big – you will want to verify and check it:
   Gore won Florida by 30,000 votes!

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   GreyHawk said on 1/8/2006 @ 3:50am PT: [Permalink]

   Apparently, my link doesn’t work – here’s the replacement:

   Gore won Florida by 30,000 Votes

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   Catherine a said on 1/8/2006 @ 8:38am PT: [Permalink]

   Greyhawk–the article has been updated; the author had made a significant error. There were most likely an additional several thousand votes for Gore than previously recognized (but not 30,000).

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   big dan said on 1/8/2006 @ 8:39am PT: [Permalink]

   Does anybody see the Red-Blue state strategy of the Republicans? As long as we have the electoral college, the Republicans will keep themselves in power as Governor/Sec of States in Ohio & Florida, and keep stealing those states, and keep winning presidential elections. We won’t have a non-Republican president, until they kick the Republicans out of power in Ohio & Florida.

   Blue states are starting to throw out electronic voting machines, because they won’t come out and say it (and I don’t know why), but they realize electronic voting machines are how the GOP is stealing elections. Red states are controlled by Republicans, so they call their citizens who are calling for the ouster of electronic voting machines, "Anarchists" and "Conspiracy Theorists" (Arizona). Imagine!!! Politicians calling their citizens these names!!! What kind of a state is Arizona to allow this???

   There’s 2 Americas: GOP-controlled red-states where they will not give up electronic voting machines are therefore keep themselves in power and therefore get a Republican president via the electoral college, and the rest of America. And the citizens of the Red states don’t even want the Republicans in power, but there’s nothing they can do about it.

   Side-bar strategies by the GOP, are to start chipping away at Blue states, like California, with electronic voting machines. Blue states with Republican governors who just assigned their Republican Sec. of States to make hay while the sun is shining, with infiltrating these machines in California while they have a chance.

   So, the Republican strategy to keep a permanent Republican majority is to keep the red states "red" via electronic voting machines and fraud, and chip away at the blue states whenever the chance arises.

   What’s everyone going to do about it???

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   Catherine a said on 1/8/2006 @ 9:13am PT: [Permalink]

   Big Dan,

   You miss an important part of the picture by seeing this with partisan-colored glasses.

   They are all at it. Democrats, too. GOP may be better at it, but don’t kid yourself. Dems do not have clean hands either and they are taking advantage of the situation whenever/wherever they are able to do so.

   We need to help voters of all political persuasions understand that we all deserve fair, accurate elections, regardless of our preferences. When you frame this as a partisan issue (GOP=dishonest, Dem=honest), you risk being a less effective communicator with GOP sympathizers. GOP voters in various locations are also being defrauded of their rightful votes by electronic voting machines.

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   big dan said on 1/8/2006 @ 11:10am PT: [Permalink]

   Agreed. They are all at it, the Republicans more so. Both parties are bought/sold by Corporate America. The Republicans are just more the hypocrites. Our democracy has come down to both parties keeping states red and blue, and winning a presidential election if they can win ONE swing state. We saw it in the last 2 elections. American democracy is all about winning Ohio. Some democracy!

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   big dan said on 1/8/2006 @ 11:16am PT: [Permalink]

   I seem to be big pro-Democrat, but I’m not. People think that when you bash the Republicans, you’re a liberal or a Democrat. Not so. I’d be bashing the Democrats, if they were in power and breaking the laws of the constitution. We need 3rd parties allowed in the presidential debates. There’s some good articles on the internet, which explain how Corporate America runs the presidential debates, and that’s why only Rep/Dem’s are in it. Both parties are beholden to Corporate America. Ralph Nader, Cobb, and Bednarik would hand both the Rep/Dem candidates their ass on a platter, if they were allowed in the presidential debates. Both parties agree on what to debate about…what Corporate America wants them to debate about, not what American citizens think is important. Like we saw, gay marriage etc…instead of health care. I’m by no means big "pro-Democrat". I’m pissed that the Democrats are saying nothing about the electronic voting machine fraud, and that Kerry-Edwards didn’t even put up a fight after the election. They disappeared, and left us alone to fight.

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    big dan said on 1/8/2006 @ 11:36am PT: [Permalink]

    The Corporate-America-Controlled 2-Party Presidential Debates

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    GreyHawk said on 1/8/2006 @ 12:19pm PT: [Permalink]

    Catherine – I found that, and was coming back to update.

    30K would be truly a shame, but still – several thousand is still a decisive victory.

    Had the Supreme Court not intervened, we might have…another "shoulda / woulda / coulda" kind of moment.

    I seem to recall that overvotes were not going to be recounted if a recount went through, just the under-votes and hanging chads or something. And, if I’m recalling correctly, that was the Republican push – I suspect, if my memory hasn’t failed, it’s because they knew exactly how the vote would turn out.

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    Doug Eldritch said on 1/8/2006 @ 2:15pm PT: [Permalink]

    Catherine

    Not only that, it isn’t red states or "blue" states either.

    Surprisingly, most of the red-states were the first to adopt strict laws on e-Voting and now requiring either paper backups or hand counts.

    Mississippi, Alabama, Virginia, there are some big ones out there.

    So it is NOT a red-state blue-state issue…..We all KNOW the corruption runs the gamut of all the parties.

    Local elections are getting fixed or hacked by democrats, presidential elections are getting gamed by republicans, and national elections are getting fixed by both parties.

    But no matter the cheating, everyone loses because who owns the voting machines is a bunch of elite insane neocons. And they’re all over the place. There’s almost more in the democratic party than the republican party, but the republican side is much more out of whack now.

    States like Georgia have been trying to eliminate a paper-record for years because of Cathy Cox. It IS an endemic, an epidemic of corruption.

    And we are all going to have to join hands to permanently get rid of it. This leads right into the slime trail of Jack Abramoff and beyond!

    Dirty Secrets by Mark Crispin Miller

    Doug E.

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    Doug Eldritch said on 1/8/2006 @ 3:36pm PT: [Permalink]

    Update

    Looks like Jan Brewer has at least listened to complaints:

    Update from Secretary of Arizona’s Website

    That means that a verified paper trail will be used although, there is still alot to work out regarding recount laws and the Diebold situation.

    Doug E.