READER COMMENTS ON
"AP Time Travels! Publishes Bush Speech Article Before Bush Speech!"
(24 Responses so far...)
COMMENT #1 [Permalink]
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BLUEBEAR2
said on 6/28/2005 @ 2:56 pm PT...
COMMENT #2 [Permalink]
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jen
said on 6/28/2005 @ 3:18 pm PT...
Bwaahahaha!! Someone should send this to Jon Stewart! Too funny!
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Citizen663
said on 6/28/2005 @ 4:07 pm PT...
I wonder if the whole thing is prerecorded. Certainly leaves time for editing.
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funny
said on 6/28/2005 @ 4:09 pm PT...
I guess the easiest way to get a scoop is to report things before they happen.
The hard part is figuring out the grammar rules for future-past tense. Or would it be past-future tense? :crazy:
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Grizzly Bear Dancer
said on 6/28/2005 @ 4:57 pm PT...
2 week ago AP writer Becky Boher reported a Bushit story where a Mr. Chris Servheen from the US Fish and Wildlife Service (government is paying his check) announced the Yellowstone Grizzly Bear is doing so well we can now delist it from the endangered specie list. Without repeating my old post, this is a complete and total lie. Wyoming moved to delist the bear last monday 6-20-2005. The real truth is that the Yellowstone Grizzly is suffering from being inbred because the Yellowstone population of brown bears is isolated from the remaining 8 barely holding on populations in the lower 48 states. Bear experts in Montana have notice some peculiar behaviors and narrowing of the distance between their eyes. The active adult males want to get the hell out of Yellowstone and are being killed. That is the actual underlying plan behind delisting. There are less than 1000 bears in 4 states not including Alaska and 51 were killed last year. Human land aquisition and developement bebe. The truth is the Grizzly is worse off now than when it was originally placed on the endanged species list in 1973 and all real (legitimate) experts agree that delisting is the incorrect move. If Yellowstone loses just 3 breeder females, the whole things gonna come crashing down even faster. NRDC Wild Bear Project Director Louisa Willcox has a plan that could reconnect the Yellowstone population with the Glacier Park bears however we must act now. For information: www.dc.org or call 406 222-9561 Why does the Grizzly Bear matter?
One of the last vestiges of the wild west. Solitary and fiecely independent, embodying nature beyond the control of man. An animal more sensitive than any other Northern Rockies Species and thus a barometer of the whole ecosystem. Vulnerable to extinction due to the size and isolation of remaining populations, low reproductive rates and development of wildland habitat. Helps keep the food chain healthy and intact. The focus of enormous public interest which helps boost the economies increasingly tied to opportunities to view wildlife and experience wild country.
Last of all, my name is Grizzly Dancer. You must understand that American Indians know the Grizzly Bear as the most powerful animal in the spiritual kingdom. Hibernation is still a mystery. Please help.
COMMENT #6 [Permalink]
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Partridge
said on 6/28/2005 @ 5:03 pm PT...
Meh, its always done like that. Leastways over here, you'll get stories in the morning papers saying "Blair will today say X Y Z. He is expceted to emphasise thsi particular aspect" and so on.
However they are not usually done with descriptions of the event! (Such as "In an evening address at an Army base that has 9,300 troops in Iraq, Bush was acknowledging the toll of the 27-month-old war").
Anyway, can we consider this an OT for the speech... but somehow I get teh feeling I'm the only one here... AND ALREADY HE'S MENTION 911! In the first fucking paragraph!
COMMENT #7 [Permalink]
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Robert Lockwood Mills
said on 6/28/2005 @ 5:04 pm PT...
In case Bush's wiring system fails, someone should be prepared to come forward and read it for him, to catapult the propaganda.
Otherwise, the media won't be able to dissemble it later...that means to take it apart.
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Grizzly Bear Dancer
said on 6/28/2005 @ 5:06 pm PT...
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Constant
said on 6/28/2005 @ 5:10 pm PT...
Either way, it will be interesting to see how the speech is evaluated. In case you missed it elsewhere, here's the criteria I'm using, and I share it with you so you may be equally amused: [ More . . . ]
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BLUEBEAR2
said on 6/28/2005 @ 5:11 pm PT...
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Partridge
said on 6/28/2005 @ 5:24 pm PT...
Man, he seriously looks like he's about to bust out laughing.
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Partridge
said on 6/28/2005 @ 5:31 pm PT...
So, how many times did he mention 9-11/Bin Laden... 6.. 7.. more?
Oh well, he's convinced me. I'm off to enlist. See ya later ya librawl freaks!
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Jerry
said on 6/28/2005 @ 6:19 pm PT...
AOL poll: 52% rate Bush speech as "poor" (and I'm sure he practiced all night). 75% are "very" cocerned about Iraq. And AOL is not just liberals.
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Constant
said on 6/28/2005 @ 6:49 pm PT...
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Doug Eldritch
said on 6/28/2005 @ 7:37 pm PT...
My take on it is Bush knows that he did this illegally but think its still for the right reasons and he will stop the bad guys. But Bush doesn't understand the massive suffering going on in that country. Zaraqui and those men aren't the enemy anymore.
American soldiers are, all because they've stripped the Iraqi government of its sovereignty. And we have a coalition of forces who protect OIL, rather than lives. That is what is dispicable about this war. And no amount of painting it a different way will help, Dick Cheney has done his damage.
Doug E.
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Peggy
said on 6/28/2005 @ 9:50 pm PT...
Hi, Doug #15 - My take on it is Bush knows that he did this illegally, but he doesn't give a damn and believes he will get away with it, like he has everything his entire life...being the son of a rich man has its benefits. Unfortunately, it has cost him his integrity and decency, and the lives of thousands of innocents...I call that murder!
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sojo
said on 6/29/2005 @ 10:16 am PT...
Ahhhh..
Gotta love those "benefit-of-the-doubt" democrats, always conceding and postulating. Worked really good at putting the breaks on that phony Iraq war they wanted to do. Worked even better at keeping those naziesque extremists out of the White House in '00 & '04. . Ooh...right.. that didn't work out did it.
Only problem is there is no "right reason" for either going to war in Iraq or staying in Iraq, unless you count turning the entire region into an unstable terrorist recruiting camp in the name of oil rights a good reason. Bush knows that it was illegal and for all the WRONG reasons. It was cute when everyone called him "curious george" and all that, but the gigs up, and we know Bush is the closest thing to a domestic terrorist we have. He kept saying "remember 9/11", and ooh, I do. I remember that if he knowingly lied to start a war in which thousands died, then its not crazy to insinuate that he saw political gain in the thousands of deaths that occured on 9/11. But lets just all forget the rabid terrorist that runs the country. After all, his ears kinda remind me a chimp. And we all know chimps don't plot the deaths of thousand for personal & political profit.
COMMENT #18 [Permalink]
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sojo
said on 6/29/2005 @ 10:17 am PT...
Ahhhh..
Gotta love those "benefit-of-the-doubt" democrats, always conceding and postulating. Worked really good at putting the breaks on that phony Iraq war they wanted to do. Worked even better at keeping those naziesque extremists out of the White House in '00 & '04. . Ooh...right.. that didn't work out did it.
Only problem is there is no "right reason" for either going to war in Iraq or staying in Iraq, unless you count turning the entire region into an unstable terrorist recruiting camp in the name of oil rights a good reason. Bush knows that it was illegal and for all the WRONG reasons. It was cute when everyone called him "curious george" and all that, but the gigs up, and we know Bush is the closest thing to a domestic terrorist we have. He kept saying "remember 9/11", and ooh, I do. I remember that if he knowingly lied to start a war in which thousands died, then its not crazy to insinuate that he saw political gain in the thousands of deaths that occured on 9/11. But lets just all forget the rabid terrorist that runs the country. After all, his ears kinda remind me a chimp. And we all know chimps don't plot the deaths of thousand for personal & political profit.
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Robert Lockwood Mills
said on 6/29/2005 @ 10:27 am PT...
It's called EMPIRE. As in Roman, Ottoman, Spanish, Hapsburg, Napoleonic, and British. Add American.
In empires, the empiricists make the rules. There is no higher power, like a World Court or a United Nations. Louis XIV, I believe it was, spoke for all power-mad despots by saying, "L'etat c'est moi."
What's often overlooked is the inherent racism of empires. British colonials knew they had to "save the dark-skinned savages from themselves," in India, Burma, Sudan, Arabia. Likewise the French in Algeria, the Dutch in Indonesia, and the Spanish in Mexico and Florida all thought of themselves as liberators.
When Bush connects 9/11 with Iraq, he's really saying, "All those dirty Muslims are alike." No matter how many times he's reminded, "There was never a connection between Iraq and Osama bin Laden," he persists in making one. Of course, his ignorant supporters in the red states, with an average I.Q. of maybe 90, can't find Iraq on a map, have never met a Muslim, know nothing about the history of Iraq/Mesopotamia or the Ottoman Empire, never heard of the Crusades, and are told by their fundamentalist preachers that Israel was promised a Zion in Palestine by the one true God, so they accept Bush's lies without cavil.
"THEY attacked us." An Arabian terrorist and a Sunni Muslim insurgent are both part of THEY, even though they have nothing in common but dark skin and the Koran. "We're fighting THEM there so THEY can't attack us here."
George W. Bush, semi-literate master of the racist pronoun and leader of the new American Empire.
COMMENT #20 [Permalink]
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Charles R Dubord JR
said on 6/29/2005 @ 11:28 am PT...
Hey Guys just had a notion here. I am going to start working on it but bloggers please help with your recollection of events.
Perhaps we should focus on the "facts being fixed around the policy" in more than just Iraq.
For example global warming. The reports or facts were being fixed around the policy of the Bush Administration.
For Example, the no-child left behind act.
For example, social security, the facts being fixed around his policy.
For example, the ban on gay marriage, no facts available, but moral guidance that is one sided is a fixed justification.
This administration does not seek debate, it has a pre-determined position on everything and then finds a way to justify it.
Let apply the "facts being fixed around the policy" test to every aspect both domestically and foreign policy wise and see if perhaps there is more evidence that supports the "notion" that the administration works like that no matter what the subject is.
Charlie- you can email me @
charles.dubord@ritz.edu
COMMENT #21 [Permalink]
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Arry
said on 6/29/2005 @ 5:42 pm PT...
Re: #20 Charles --- Another blatant example
of "facts being fixed around policy" is the alteration of the report on cattle grazing on public lands in order to ease the rules.
It's all about "making reality" which, of course, is almost in the realm of psychosis. More fossil fuel burning will create greater global warming. That reality can't be altered. Over-grazing will harm the land and water quality, and they can delete paragraphs of environmental reports if they want and it won't alter the fact. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 and it never will no matter how many times they say it.
"Making reality" without reference to facts is nothing more than lying and acting stupidly. There is really no philosophical position involved. The result and "reality" is low-grade gangsterism.
COMMENT #22 [Permalink]
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Kira
said on 6/29/2005 @ 8:24 pm PT...
RLM #19
You ALWAYS hit the nail on the head. Kudos for another excellent post!
COMMENT #23 [Permalink]
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Arry
said on 6/29/2005 @ 11:08 pm PT...
Agree with #22 re: #19. On the mark, as usual.
As well as a racist "they", there is also a need for a culture of vagueness. Isn't it very strange that over 1700 Americans have been killed and 100,000+ Iraqis in an unconstitutional invasion, yet so much of the "justification" is not analyzed? All someone would have to do is say, "You keep identifying the Iraq invasion with 9/11. What *precisely* is the connection that would justify the slaughter?" Yet the quagmire continues, the killing continues, and we never get an answer to a very simple question that is supposed to be the reason we are there. (There is no answer, of course.) It is very strange.
Unstated racism is what holds it together. Racism and fear. (As Gore Vidal said, Americans are the most easily scared people in the world.) Racism and fear (as a unified entity) bars understanding and specifics with which it cannot exist. (Understanding the real people of Iraq, for example.) In fact, specifics could well reveal a monstrously immoral, murderous face of our corporate/government (and its enablers) - another reason to avoid specifics and another facet of the pervasive fear.
It's late, I'm tired, and I'm not saying this well, but I think one of the reasons there is such a out-of-proportion reaction to dissent is that there is a panic that the culture of vagueness (which many people are holding on for life) will be destroyed or crippled by revelatory specifics. It's not us they hate. It's specifics!
COMMENT #24 [Permalink]
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czaragorn
said on 6/30/2005 @ 9:12 am PT...
Hi All You Great Americans! Superb thread - I'll link it along to some acquaintances, be assured. Currently professionally and personally overwhelmed here in Prague, I've only been able to peek in here occasionally, but I'm so pleased to see the great intelligence, persistence, and diligence (thank you, especially, Brad!) with which we pitbull/Bradvillers refuse to just let it all go. We've got more than enough goods on these miscreants. I think it's time to seriously consider laying a full siege on the Capitol until those megalocriminals are led off in irons for a tropical vacation, replete with ice cream, candy, and honey-glazed chicken - imagine duhbya being deprived of his beloved Bible because some Ayrab peed on it... Keep up the fine work! Keep the faith! The Red Sox finally won it all, and so can We The People of Bradville Nation!!! Love and Peace, and "God bless us every one!"
PS I'd love to show off my magnificent adopted metropolis to any Bradviller who happens to be just passing through!