Welcome to America's future if they vote that madwoman in.

Condolences to her husband and children.

How much responsibility do you think Fox, The Tea Party, Sarah Palin, and the GOP are gonna take for helping to create an atmosphere that leads to this kinda shit? I'm gonna guess none.

We need to be proactively countering this madness. Come up with strategies, frames, memes, words and getting them out into the public domain in various forms again and again and again.

My prayers go out to the Giffords family and the families of all 11 others shot by this coward...

Here is Sarah Palin's 'hit list...Congresswoman Giffords is 4th on Palin's hitlist.

Sadness all around. One nut get's a gun and America loses.

And just to stoke the fire, Brad posts a story implying her opponent shot her based on a 7 month old tweet.

And then (of course) the nutcases come in with the blame Fox and Sarah Palin crap.

This is just horrible!!! I don't know much about her but she just seems so innocent! What a way to start a new year!

Funny - seems like only Democrats get shot. Why is that?

The 24/7 Fox "News" propaganda has consequences, wingnutsteve, and this is one of them--the assassination of Dr. Tiller was another.

See, e.g., Scott Roeder, Murderer of Bill O'Reilly's 'Tiller the Killer' Found Guilty; O'Reilly Still Off Hook

Remember JFK? I'm guess that Obama's Secret Service security detail is comprised mostly of right wing and Tea Party gun nuts.

The shooter's name is Loughner, not Laughner. The only laughing is being done by the wingnuts.

One of the major problems with this fascist country is that peaceful, nonviolent Muslims, environmental and animal rights activists, and leakers, are considered "terrorists," while members of right wing groups that target and kill people are just considered "fringe characters."

Now that they've taken over Congress, the right is consolidating their power. And they own the central tabulators that "count" the votes, so don't blame the American people.

On second thought, maybe people who cast votes they know don't have to even be counted, in faith-based, unverifiable elections, are partly to blame. There has to be sufficient turnout to make the rigged results look plausible.

Riiight, Wingnutsteve, it's probably just a robbery gone wrong or something. Nothing to see here, move along...

It's probably just a coincidence that Rep. Giffords had to cancel an event just last week due to threats of rightwing violence. It's just a coincidence that Palin's website put a gun target over Gifford's district. It's just a coincidence that the Republican elite have been tossing out violent and inflammatory rhetoric for the last two years like candy, and that every perp of these attacks has been a rightwing nutjob who credits his rightwing political beliefs (and some Fox News hosts) for his inspiration. Nothing to see here, move along. "Don't Retreat, Instead - RELOAD!" was just a charming and insouciant campaign slogan.

Oh, lookee here: Gabrielle Giffords talking about threats of violence over the last several months, including Sarah Palin putting her in the crosshairs, back in March. Or watch Giffods' colleague Rep. Trent Franks (R-AZ) calling President Obama an "enemy of humanity" last year: http://bit.ly/fUEJvn.

This isn't just "one nut with a gun". This is not an isolated incident. This is only the most recent example of several that have occurred since Obama took office. When it happens more than once, it's called a trend.

This form of calculated, political rhetoric, the creation of a propagandized and increasingly violent, right-wing mass movement are by no means unprecedented.

While I'm certainly open to an argument that would provide a significant distinction, I, for one, am having a great deal of difficulty distinguishing the 'Tea Party' from the Brownshirts whose political violence hastened the end of the Weimar Republic.

Yep Ernie, Fox News must be at fault... how convenient to always have Fox and Palin to blame for all the ills of the country huh??

This guy was a nutcase, plain and simple. No matter how much hateful people try to spin it.

Always happens to democrats right czaragorn? Explain Reagan.

Des, this is just the most recent example of many since Obama took office huh? How many other Congress persons or other government officials have been shot?

This is a tragedy for all Americans. Sadly it's certain to raise the political rhetoric from hateful people who love tragedy if only they can use it to their advantage.

And, I'm embarrassed to say that when I read the headline, as I opened the page I was hoping she's a Republican. Because you all here are a snapshot of too many who will do anything to use this to spew garbage. As soon as I saw (D), I knew that checking in to the bradblog I'd see references to fox and Palin. Who cares if it's true or not

Glad to see wingnutsteve is focused on reality as usual.

Kudos to brad for posting better info than I have seen on msm all day.

Gotta say, though...I liked a lot of the books on his list. This was not a 'dumb' guy - very misguided though.

wingnutsteve

Do you think Palin's highly irresponsible rhetoric of violent imagery didn't trigger a weak mind to act on it ?

Politics is the art of communication, campaigns and political parties spend countless hours agonizing over the verbiage almost word by word in their speeches and public statements. They're neurotically obsessed with the mental image they're projecting with their words...
Palin's blunt violent imagery was no happenstance.
Neither is hurt shooting moose on her reality television show. It plants an image and activates meme.

Last sentence previous remark...

hurt=her...

BlueHawk in #15,

The Democratic Leadership Council has several states "targeted" on their 2004 election map. What are they telling the Democrats to do in those state?

http://www.dlc.org/uploa...s/BP_0405_heartland1.gif

http://www.dlc.org/ndol_...p;kaid=127&subid=171

No BlueHawk I don't. I don't think it was violent imagery either. And Mark da Shark makes an excellent point

Hey Brad,

Besides the horrible news about Giffords today and the federal judge that was killed, I heard today about the (completely unrelated) recent suicide of Bill Zeller. He worked at Princeton, and was one of the authors of this, which I'm sure you will remember: http://from.bz/public/do...iebold_source_review.pdf

OOPS, the title of that was: "Source Code Review of the Diebold Voting System". There. that should ring your bell.

WingnutSteve @ 11:

Yep Ernie, Fox News must be at fault... how convenient to always have Fox and Palin to blame for all the ills of the country huh??

Not blaming them or all the ills. Though where they have continuously helped to incite violence, they should, indeed be blamed.

This guy was a nutcase, plain and simple. No matter how much hateful people try to spin it.

Right. A nutcase, like so many recent ones before him, who may have been influenced by the violent rhetoric he hears across the mainstream media (Fox, rightwing talk radio, etc.), just as the Sheriff of Pima County said tonight in his press conference.

Always happens to democrats right czaragorn? Explain Reagan.

Des, this is just the most recent example of many since Obama took office huh? How many other Congress persons or other government officials have been shot?

Well, lessee, at least 10 Democratic Congressmembers were targeted with violence and death threats after the health care vote last year. Giffords received both death threats and bullets shot at her office (as did several other Democratic Congressmembers, though no Republican members to my knowledge).

Then there was Byron Williams who targeted the ACLU and the Tides Foundation and cited Glenn Beck as a mentor. There was the guy who shot up the "liberal" church in TN, lamenting that he couldn't kill all the "liberals" in Bernie Goldberg's book. There was the guy in Pittsburgh who killed three cops who came to his door because he thought Obama was going to take away his guns. There was the assassin of Dr. Tiller who acted after months of Fox "News" and Bill O'Reilly describing him as "Tiller the Killer".

Shall I go on?

WingnutSteve -

BTW, didn't mean to leave out all of those Republican members of Congress and rightwing organizations who were targeted with death threats and violence after inflammatory rhetoric by Democrats and progressives --- it's just that I'm not aware of any.

Funny how those "nutcases...plain and simple" always seem to target Democrats, liberals or progressives lately though. You'd think that simple random odds would have those "nutcases" firing at folks on the Right every now and again, no?

It's almost worth offering this guy bail just to see what kind of currency he'd pay it with.

Brad in #22,

"Funny how those "nutcases...plain and simple" always seem to target Democrats, liberals or progressives lately though. You'd think that simple random odds would have those "nutcases" firing at folks on the Right every now and again, no?"

The senseless attack today targeted Rep. Giffords, a Conservative Democrat who ranked #8 in voting against her party's leaders in 2010.

Also killed was Judge John Roll, a Conservative Federal Judge appointed by Bush 41.

BlueHawk in #14,

A member in the Huffington Post pointed out that there was an entry on the DailyKos with the title of "My CongressWOMAN voted against Nancy Pelosi! And is now DEAD to me!"

The author by the name of "BlueBoy" is very unhappy that Rep. Giffords voted against Nancy Pelosi becoming the minority leader in the house.

Apparently, the DailyKos has now removed the entry, but it had already been saved by Google and can be found by searching that title, and then check the cached page.

Did this entry cause a "weak mind" to act?

Mark da Shark @ 23:

The senseless attack today targeted Rep. Giffords, a Conservative Democrat who ranked #8 in voting against her party's leaders in 2010.

Perhaps you missed it. Giffords was "targeted" by Sarah Palin on her "crosshairs" list of 20 Democrats with "bullseyes" on their districts. After Giffords vote for HCR, she received death threats, and windows were shot out of her office. Last year, during the campaign, an angry person at one of her townhall events had a pistol fall out of pants. I'm guessing none of those attacks were carried out by Democrats.

Also killed was Judge John Roll, a Conservative Federal Judge appointed by Bush 41.

After his recent decisions in regard to limiting AZ immigration laws, Rolls was also targetted with death threats. Also not by Democrats.

Mark da Shark @ 24:

Apparently, the DailyKos has now removed the entry, but it had already been saved by Google and can be found by searching that title, and then check the cached page.

According to Markos on Twitter earlier tonight:

He also said:

AS well as:

And:

And finally:

Hope that helps. Feel free to pass them on to your friends.

Did this entry cause a "weak mind" to act?

Don't know. Seems unlikely that anybody read it, or saw it as a threat to anybody even if they did. On the other hand, Palin's "crosshairs" post (which she has reportedly deleted for some reason from her site), was seen by millions of her supporters --- many of the same folks leaving death threats for Democrats, calling for "2nd amendment remedies", promising change "by ballot or bullet", etc.

But keep those rationalizations comin', my friend! Much easier than taking personal responsibility for stuff, I realize.

Apparantly, the shooter called out the names of his first several targets, Giffords and Roll. Was the older guy the driver? Interesting data about his times at Pima College and his dismissal for being mentally unstable has media coverage. Still no statement from the shooter's parents, with whom he still resided. (Maybe his dad drove him and is the older white man being sought?) And it's not just Hate Media; it's also killer presidents who also kidnap and torture without any restraint. US culture did a very good job in producing the shooter's anomie, much like the Columbine Duo's.

Jared Loughner had severe mental issues of which many, many people were aware.

Sheriff Clarence Dupnik says his agency, which had run-ins with Jared on multiple occasions, knew it.

The administrators at Jared's college, who expelled him pending an all clear notice from a qualified psychiatrist, knew it.

Jared's parents, who negotiated with those same college administrators, knew it.

The U.S. military, which rejected Jared, almost certainly knew it.

Everybody knew.

Yet Jared was allowed to purchase a device specifically designed to efficiently kill multiple human beings within a few seconds.

And nobody batted an eye.

Until he used it.

To the journalists in this thread.

The current Tea Party who used big money, must be distinguished from the original founders and founding of the tea party. One is absolutely not the same as the other. When people say, "Another Tea Party Gun Nut" they spread propaganda with complete mis-understanding.

I saw brad's tea party video, the problem is that was the tea party express, the big money, not the original tea party ala FedUpUsa.

So STOP it.

Brad in #25,

"Perhaps you missed it. Giffords was "targeted" by Sarah Palin on her "crosshairs" list of 20 Democrats with "bullseyes" on their districts."

No, I knew that BlueHawk was taking about in #14. As I pointed out, Democrats have used the same type of maps in the 2004 Election.

"I'm guessing none of those attacks were carried out by Democrats."

Guessing is easy, do you know for a fact?

"Oh, I see that some random obscure diarist on Daily Kos (one of tens of thousands) IS JUST LIKE SARAH PALIN. Who knew she was so obscure"

My response to Markos would be the "bulleye map" on the Democratic Leadership Council would be the equivalent. (Links in #16).

"But keep those rationalizations comin', my friend! Much easier than taking personal responsibility for stuff, I realize."

You can't ever seem to stop using your crutch can you. I have no "person responsibility" in this matter, but don't let that stop you. You are very good at the baseless character attacks.

Maybe one day, you will realize that violence such as this is not reserved to just the right.

Let's be careful about talking about this 'target' that Sarah Palin put on his district. The Daily Kos also put a target on Rep Giffords district in June 2008. You can't draw any sort of conclusions based on this kind of stuff. The shooter was a lunatic criminal, not conservative or liberal.

To the apologists for right-wing violent rhetoric

You folks picking through piles of online sites to find some shred of liberal or progressive violent rhetoric is plainly sad. The national discussion over the last two years has been the vitriolic and violently hateful rhetoric coming from the right wing and tea party period.

I would like to simply remind my right wing fellow citizens that W Bush was 'selected' President of the United States partly because of implied violence by right wingers (google the Brooks Brothers riot).

I don't know if Loughner was politically motivated...what I do know is that Gabrielle Giffords was the target of violent right wing intimidation. It was no secret that she was threatened numerous times, her district had a cross hairs site on it published by Sarah Palin's organization for crying out loud!

Now it's always been common practice for political organizations to 'target' districts for election...it's not common practice for American political organizations to put cross hairs over districts while saying 'don't retreat, reload'.
I'm reminded of Mark David Chapman who shot Reagan, no one accused Chapman of being a liberal. But it widely reported that Chapman was motivated by the movie Taxi Driver.

Loughner may have just been looking for plain acceptance or notoriety and seeing in Sarah Palin and the violent rhetoric of the right wing towards people like Rep. Giffords a chance to gain acceptance and notoriety.

The right wing and Palin need to reconsider how their message is constructed. Any sociologist knows that in tough economic times as this, violent political imagery and speech is highly irresponsible and outright dangerous for a democratic republic.

Apologists like wingnutsteve and Mark da Shark are part of the problem and need to look n the mirror.

Sheriff Dupnik's remarks were spot on as was an op ed from Los Angeles Times, which quoted President Clinton's remarks on the 15th anniversary of the Oklahoma City bombing:

We're now in the middle of a cultural breakdown like I've never seen in my life; including the 60's. It seems we're having a right wing emotional meltdown. I don't want to assign blame, but we must not be blind to insanity either. This isn't about what policy is best for the country anymore, it's about who can get their way by any means necessary. Personally I believe it's a corporately sponsored melee to raise the noise and distract from the greatest theft of the people's wealth that's ever happened in the history of the world. If the proverbial they (the corporatocracy) can make the public turn on each other, right wing vs liberal progressive. Then no one will notice where the money and resources are actually going.

Let's wake up!

BlueHawk

Chapman shot John Lennon and was supposedly motivated by Catcher in the Rye. Had not heard about Taxi Driver.

Hinckley shot Reagan, in an attempt to impress Jodie Foster.

Neither were motivated by violent liberal rhetoric.

Soul Rebel...

I stand corrected. thanks.

But I wasn't saying Chapman or Hinckley were motivated by liberal rhetoric, I was actually saying the opposite that they were motivated by cultural influences. Loughner may have been motivated by political cultural violent references, and not pure politics or policy. I was saying a person like Loughner may have been simply seeking notoriety and acceptance...not a political agenda.

Again thanks for correcting my error about Hinckley and Chapman.

BlueHawk -

My comment on the liberal rhetoric motivation wasn't for you - I know that wasn't what you were saying

That was for Wingnut and Sharky.

California's Gold @ 28 said:

With all due respect, CG (and I'm a huge California's Gold/Huell Howser fan, btw!), it is not up to us to separate "the big money" modern-day Tea Party from the original modern-day Tea Partiers, it is up to them to do so. The Tea Party supporters in the video you reference, make no attempt at distinction and, for the most part, none of the TP supporters have done so. That would include, btw, the folks who I consider to be the real Tea Partiers, the original supporters of Ron Paul who have been speaking up against government abuses since at least 2007, even when Bush was in charge, not those in the Tea Sore Loser Party who didn't find an interest in abuse of power, deficits and out of control government until, coincidentally, the Republican Party lost the last Presidential election.

I have both distinguished between the corporate-funded/Fox "News"-fueled Tea Baggers and the true Ron Paul Tea Partiers in the past (see here). Similarly, I have called on Ron Paul Tea Partiers to separate themselves from the Tea Baggers and condemn them (listen to "Hour 2" here), if to little avail.

We know the difference here, CG. Unfortunately, folks like you, presumably, haven't done your duty to ensure the country knows the difference. I hope you will. And I hope you'll not be a stranger here. Welcome to The BRAD BLOG!

Mark da Apologist @ 29 said:

No, I knew that BlueHawk was taking about in #14. As I pointed out, Democrats have used the same type of maps in the 2004 Election.

Seriously? You consider a map published at the end of a long essay which nobody read, written by the Blue Dog DLC, pointing to states (not people, as with Palin's gunsight map) to be the same thing? Really? Even with Palin's insightment to "take aim", "reload", fire another "salvo" on the "bullseyes" along with that map in the bargain? Really?

False equivalency much there, Marky Mark?

"I'm guessing none of those attacks were carried out by Democrats."

Guessing is easy, do you know for a fact?

Of course, I was being ironic. Yes, I am aware of absolutely zero evidence, none, nada, that those attacks were carried out by Dems. On the other hand, we have tons of evidence proving most were carried out by Republicans and/or Republican sympathizers. If you have evidence to the contrary, of course, feel free to share it.

"Oh, I see that some random obscure diarist on Daily Kos (one of tens of thousands) IS JUST LIKE SARAH PALIN. Who knew she was so obscure"

My response to Markos would be the "bulleye map" on the Democratic Leadership Council would be the equivalent. (Links in #16).

Your response would be laughable. See above.

"But keep those rationalizations comin', my friend! Much easier than taking personal responsibility for stuff, I realize."

You can't ever seem to stop using your crutch can you. I have no "person responsibility" in this matter, but don't let that stop you. You are very good at the baseless character attacks.

What's "baseless" about calling you out for being an apologist for violent extremist? If, to quote Michael Moore on Twitter last night, a Muslim had published a map with gunsight bullseyes on 20 people and one of those people ended up assisinated, would you be hear arguing that the Muslim extremist had no culpability? Or would you be in favor of the FBI hauling them in?

Maybe one day, you will realize that violence such as this is not reserved to just the right.

Of course it's not. Just the vast majority of it. If you're not aware of that, might I strongly recommend you peruse this exhaustive list of similar incidents, incitements and calls for insurrectionism (almost every single one from the Right and/or Rightwing media) from just the past two years alone: http://www.csgv.org/issu...om/insurrection-timeline

Get back to me with your rationalizations and apologisms for all of that soon!

A Conservative Teacher said @ 30:

Let's be careful about talking about this 'target' that Sarah Palin put on his district. The Daily Kos also put a target on Rep Giffords district in June 2008.

So, like Mark da Apologist, you feel there is an equivalence between a blogger's essay calling for the "targeting" of districts with with primary challengers (and absolutely no gun references, no "RELOAD", "take aim", references, etc.) is the same as a GOP Vice Presidential candidate's two different gunsight maps, encouraging folks to "take aim", "RELOAD", "You know what to do", etc? Really?

I would suggest that you, as well, give a very close read to the link I just posted for Mark: http://www.csgv.org/issu...om/insurrection-timeline

And, as noted, that is just for the last two years only. Doesn't include things like Rightwing radio host G. Gordon Liddy telling folks to "aim at the head" of ATF agents, etc. in the years prior. (Over our public airwaves!)

Oh, and here's just a few links to recent murder/assassination fantasies espoused by Fox "News" hosts lately, in case the link above is not enough: http://www.fair.org/blog...ame-in-murder-fantasies/

You can't draw any sort of conclusions based on this kind of stuff. The shooter was a lunatic criminal, not conservative or liberal.

I'll quote George W. Bush "Axis of Evil" speechwriter David Frum today, who wrote (rather conservatively):

And John Kerry's 2004 advisor Peter Daou who wrote today (also quite conservatively):

"The Tea Party supporters in the video you reference, make no attempt at distinction "

Why would they, they simply jumped on the "co-opting train express", for them it was a day out, a picnic with signs, a time to vent. Actually quite healthy if you think about it. Yet for the train's engineer, it would exactly like a satanist putting his hand on a bible to swear about something, completely pointless as the satanist doesn't respect, believe nor care about the bible, or simply isn't going to tell the truth. The passengers knew no better.

for the most part, none of the TP supporters have done so
Tricky wording add three words "for the most part", yet not much to back it up. If you have big money ala tea party express, what do you do? You kill off the grass roots with propaganda. Fast forward, without actually LOOKING: "To The Tea Party: Go Screw Yourself" for such defensive statements and documenting and publishing them yourself, a bad conclusion is realized, spread, rinse, repeat.

Unfortunately, folks like you, presumably, haven't done your duty to ensure the country knows the difference.

Folks like me? What?! I am not with the tea party, I am simply pointing out the hypocrisy at a time when it's not very popular to point such things out. What responsibility is it of mine to try to save the grass roots of the tea party? None. What money am I financed with to take on such a vast task?

The Tea Party is especially useful [for fund raising]. It is great for the Republicans because it gives the appearance that the GOP has some connection to real people at the grass roots.

But for the Dems the Tea Party is even more bountiful since it is pictured as a mass movement, racist to the core and about to plunge the country into a fascist abyss.
—John Walsh

California's Gold @ 40:

If I inappropriately lumped you into a group in which you don't belong, my apologies. I am still unable to determine where you fall in (or not in) the Tea Party/Tea Bagger structure, even after your latest note. But, either way, my point was not to call *you* out, but rather respond to the point you were originally making.

Beyond that, I'll stand by my "for the most part", since even the video/article you point to is of one of the early post-Obama election Tea Partiers. He objected to the Obama Administration's "bailing out" of private companies, but, it seems, not the Bush Administration who did so even more than Obama. (Remember, TARP was a Bush program, as was the original auto company "bailout").

Again, I have much respect for the Ron Paul Tea Partiers in that they were speaking up for their beliefs, and against the Bush Administration, long before Obama came around (as well as after). To that end, I believe their ideology is sincerely felt. Whether I agree with it is far beside the point. But as to the Tea Baggers who showed up and found their disgust with government only after Republicans lost control of the WH and Congress, I have absolutely no respect for those pretenders, whether they realize their manipulation by the corporate-funded phonies or not.

So I suspect you and I are actually in agreement on most of these points, and I've never had a problem expressing support for sincere protest (whether I agree with the points being protested or not).

I gotta just laugh at the entire (lack of) rational thought from dear Brad here.

Sarah Palin puts out a map of districts to target = she's behind this entire mess. The DNC puts out a similar map several years ago = not to be taken seriously.

Mark pointing out that there's no reason to throw around baseless accusations and indict a political party (and the tea party movement) consisting of many million of people based on the actions of one nut case = apologist for violent extremists.

You even call the gunman "alleged" in the headline, which I guess makes some sort of sense even though it's obvious he's the guy, while in the sentence before that you basically accuse Palin/Tea Party of the crime.

Last week you scolded someone for "personal attacks" but your posts here are loaded with them. Apparently the rules are made up as you go along.

Enjoy your tragedy Brad. Have fun ratcheting up your hate and anger. Hopefully most Americans are a little more rational with their thoughts than you, and maybe we can actually have some good in our political discourse come from this.

Query: Should the billionaire-funded, controlled and manipulated Tea Party, with its "take aim," "reload" violent (and often racist) rhetoric, not to mention their open calls for the assassination of Julian Assange, be classified as a "terrorist organization"?

Nooo !!!...Right wingers don't use violent imagery and rhetoric. No not them.

WingnutSteve @ 42 said:

Sarah Palin puts out a map of districts to target = she's behind this entire mess. The DNC puts out a similar map several years ago = not to be taken seriously.

Easier to ignore the points I made in response to that --- the ostensible leader of the GOP actually targeting, with gun sights, actual people, rather than archery bullseyes identifying vulnerable states (rather than people) as buried in an essay read by nobody, accompanied with calls to "take aim", "RELOAD", etc --- than to take responsibility, I guess.

And I guess you didn't bother to read the exhaustive list of violent RW insurrection and calls therefor by RWers from just the past two years that I linked to twice in this comment thread? Here it is again. Get back to me on that "one nut case" marginalization after you actually bother to read it this time.

"Basically accuse Palin/Tea Party of the crime"? Really? Which part of my reporting was not true? That Giffords was targeted by Palin on her "gun sight" map? That Giffords had received death threats after her vote in favor of HCR? That her office windows were shot out at the same time? Or that her Republican opponent last year advertised: "Get on Target for Victory in November Help remove Gabrielle Giffords from office Shoot a fully automatic M16 with Jesse Kelly"?

Feel free to let me know which sentence you feel was inappropriate in "basically accus[ing] Palin/Tea Party of the crime".

No. They're quite clear and have been posted unchanged for years, linked from every comment form you fill out. You might want to bother to read those too. The one you seem to be questioning [emphasis added]:

As has long been the case here, where public figures are attacked, they are allowed to return the favor in comments if they wish. Seems fair, no? That said, I'm not sure which personal attacks you're referring to. Feel free to let me know, and where appropriate, I'm happy to apologize if I was out of line by being personal, rather than substantive.

Lovely. Save your condemnations for what you perceive as my "hate and anger" and give those forwarding --- and carrying out --- actual vitriol and violence (for years) a pass. Very impressive, Steve. I am, however, sorry to see your chosen name seems to fit so well. I had hopes you might have been one who could have made a difference in this world, rather than simply served as an apologist for it.

A press release from the National Organization for Women contains an effective response to the refusal of Tea Party followers, like Wingnutsteve, who fail to acknowledge that such an incident is the product of incitement through hate speech.

I don't give the gunman a pass in any way, please show me where I do that.

My "chosen name" was selected because: 1) I was told to change my name by one of your regulars because there was already a "steve" posting here; and 2) After being called a wingnut by many of the extremists at this site I kinda thought it was a good name. But, you know nothing of my politics. What you "know" is that anyone who disagrees with your warped views is obviously a wingnut. Which makes 80% (or more) of the country wingnuts. So I'll wear the name with pride.

The personal attacks I refer to is the baseless attacks and name calling against both me and Mark for the heinous crime of not agreeing with you.

The squeakiestwheel.com should stick to elections and such. Biased "reporting" of the type you present is no different than the garbage that comes from Fox, Limbaugh, and the rest of the folks you loathe so much... it's just the polar opposite of the political spectrum.

wingnutstve

The personal attacks I refer to is the baseless attacks and name calling against both me and Mark for the heinous crime of not agreeing with you.

I looked far and wide...read twice more carefully than the first time. I see no one calling you or Mark any derogatory names, or any 'personal' attacks on you or Mark. ...none...zip, zero, nada. You just made that up out.
Smear much ?

This, "Get on Target for Victory in November Help remove Gabrielle Giffords from office Shoot a fully automatic M16 with Jesse Kelly," statement sans punctuation is being used by writers--but--they are adding punctuation and other means of parsing it which make it seem far more innocent. When one looks at the event list on which this is listed, the announcement above it is properly punctuated; so, one must conclude there is a reason why the invitation to kill a congressperson to help recapture the district was composed in that manner.

#49
Back then it was just words, but now it's word games.

Target this target that. Of course we must reload from time to time, of course I love to shoot too at every opportunity.

#41
I don't know about that tarp stuff and all that Brad said, perhaps He can show where fedupusa had approved tarp? I think there's a mistake but Folks like Me, is not very bright with all the fluoride in the waters.

WingnutSteve @ 47 said:

I don't give the gunman a pass in any way, please show me where I do that.

I didn't say you gave "the gunman a pass". Not even close.

What you "know" is that anyone who disagrees with your warped views is obviously a wingnut.

Got evidence for that charge? Either that my views are "warped" or, more importantly, that "anyone who disagrees with" me is "obviously a wingnut" in my opinion?

Which makes 80% (or more) of the country wingnuts. So I'll wear the name with pride.

Well, pick an issue. Betting that the majority of the country agrees with me on any given one, but we'll see. Where they don't, of course, too bad. They will eventually. Beyond that, you're just pullin' stuff outta your butt now, it seems.

The personal attacks I refer to is the baseless attacks and name calling against both me and Mark for the heinous crime of not agreeing with you.

Where and when? Evidence? Or just butt pullin' stuff?

The squeakiestwheel.com should stick to elections and such. Biased "reporting" of the type you present is no different than the garbage that comes from Fox, Limbaugh, and the rest of the folks you loathe so much... it's just the polar opposite of the political spectrum.

Ah. The old, lazy "both sides do it" argument, eh? I wrote about that today here, where I challenge you to offer actual substance to challenge the case I make.

As to my "reporting" being "no different than the garbage that comes from Fox, Limbaugh and the rest", please feel free to show me where I've lied, made something up, or was just plain wrong on the facts as that bunch is virtually every single day of the week. If/when you do, I'll a) issue a correction if warranted and b) offer you 3 instances from Fox, Limbaugh and the rest, for each one you share with me. Deal?

Get busy.

As far as I can tell, there was no shown connection between Jared Lee Loughner's actions and the mainstream media's widely broadcasting of jingoistic extremist TV show hosts' hate-mongering. I am not saying there isn't a connection, but I haven't seen it thus far. From what I can see Jared Lee Loughner functioned according to an ideological patchwork of his own creation, possibly arising out of paranoid schizophrenia.

That's what I see too Adam. He's a registered Independent, didn't vote in 2010, and by most accounts is a flat out nutcase.

But that would rain on Brad's parade.

WingnutSteve @ 53:

He's a registered Independent, didn't vote in 2010, and by most accounts is a flat out nutcase.

But that would rain on Brad's parade.

Not at all. You're shadow boxing. Did you bother to read anything I wrote on this matter? It sure doesn't seem like it based on the comments you've been leaving here.

You've tried and convicted a news network, former VP candidate, and millions of people of complicity in the senseless brutality this past Saturday. Not based on any truth or knowledge, not knowing what network this guy watches or radio shows he listens to, but based on your own political beliefs and what you WANT the truth to be.

Yes, I've read a bit of the stuff you've wrote on this matter. I've learned a bit about election fraud since I found you, the rest is mere left wing gibberish just like this. Still, it's sometimes fun to read

WingnutSteve @ 55:

You've tried and convicted a news network, former VP candidate, and millions of people of complicity in the senseless brutality this past Saturday. Not based on any truth or knowledge

That's a pretty serious charge, Steve. Would it be too much to ask for you to quote the text showing where i've done that, so I can take your criticism seriously and consider its merit?

Pushing an agenda forward over the victims of a deranged killer is disgusting and repulsive. You are an opportunist Brad, and so is everyone who has no sense of decency that you can use the murder of a 9-year old girl among others to push a political agenda, or to get something on people you don't like. The guy didn't watch TV or listen to the radio. And, if he did, it still wouldn't matter. Killings like this happen. Keeping our voices muzzled as if nothing is wrong with the direction of this country and its leaders isn't going to stop lunatics from following the voices in their heads. Face it Brad, you relish this excuse, these murders, to tell those individuals you don't agree with to shut up, or some satan worshipping schizophrenic might interpret what we say the wrong way. That's a tough sell Brad, and makes you look like a fool.

Thanks for your opinions, Mark. Apparently they seem to be misinformed.

Since you copy and pasted the same exact comment onto another thread as well, I responded to it over there. That response is right here.