READER COMMENTS ON
"Tedd Petruna: Real American Hero"
(25 Responses so far...)
COMMENT #1 [Permalink]
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Ernest A. Canning
said on 12/5/2009 @ 1:42 pm PT...
Memo to Ted Petruna:
Better lay off the Jack Daniels. The dream you had during the drunken stupor that caused you to miss your flight --- the one in which you imagined yourself heroically saving the lives of passengers from a group of Muslim men you never met, was just that, a dream!
Your dissembling pals over at Fox "News"? Now there's where you can find the "real" American nightmare.
COMMENT #2 [Permalink]
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Max-1
said on 12/5/2009 @ 1:53 pm PT...
COMMENT #3 [Permalink]
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Shortbus
said on 12/5/2009 @ 5:48 pm PT...
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Shortbus
said on 12/5/2009 @ 5:53 pm PT...
The comments on Debbie's post are better then anything on TV right now...
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Big Dan
said on 12/5/2009 @ 6:43 pm PT...
Remember we were having a debate in a thread that we were "name calling" saying "teabaggers" and we were just as bad as the right's name calling? I said that the teabaggers themselves unknowingly named themselves the "teabaggers" and we weren't making fun of them, we were just calling them what they call themselves.
Rachel Maddow does the research and proves this is true:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZFtGUNyHdo
I gave my own proof at the time.
COMMENT #6 [Permalink]
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Grizzly Bear Dancer
said on 12/6/2009 @ 2:27 am PT...
Could have said, "saved passengers from 9-11 hijackers" since some of the 19 accused of hijacking dem planes turned out to BE VERY MUCH ALIVE. Not to mention, NO arab hijackers were found on passenger lists in the 1st place." I remember this point came out in the 3rd 9-11 movie by Dillon Avery called Loose Change Final Cut.
Author Professor David Ray Griffin also brought this point up at a San Diego State U lecture I attended as well as evidence that questions the whole phone conversation that turned passengers into heroes at the Shanksville crash. This is also the ONLY EVIDENCE to support that box cutters were used in the takeover.
This phone conversation was supposedly NOT POSSIBLE because the plane exceeded an altitude where cell phone and air phone communication (although not equipped on this plane) was NOT POSSIBLE. A man claimed he spoke to his passenger wife on a cell phone who related the hijacking from a cell phone conversation.
In that instance, he related from her that passengers fought back and diverted the intended target eventually causing the plane to go down in Pennsylvania.
Unfortunately there wasn't much to investigate because only parts of a cockpit and a dark spot where the earth was scorched in a field was THE CRASH SITE.
Not a joke. Wings, engines, luggage, body parts, were NOT ACCOUNTED FOR AT SHANKSVILLE. Why Grizz?
This is very uncommon for a regular plane crash to the extent that it is out of the realm of possibility UNLESS the jet was shot down. In this scenario, the aircraft that was 30% full like the other 3 involved would have probably dropped parts and debrie for over 1 mile which would make complete sense for the fact that the FCKING PLANE was missing at ground zero.
Why was it shot down Grizz? Don't exactly know but I do know the people who 9-11 are still running out country and more disturbing have gotten away with killing 3000 Americans on 9-11 and over 1 million in wars they created using the excuse to going after the terrorists responsible.
WHITE ALQAIDA NEEDS TO BE PROSECUTED IN A WORLD COURT. Corporations are bleeding Americans of their last tax dollars and treasury because their secretive power still mystifies those hypnotized by THEIR corporate mass media propaganda machine. FcK FAUX!!!
Way to go cowboy! Congradulations on saving another Arab hijacked jetliner in your bushit dream? Was it the turban that tipped you off or was it the length of the boxcutter blades? Or was he armed with styling gel and toothpaste?
COMMENT #7 [Permalink]
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BlueHawk
said on 12/6/2009 @ 6:58 am PT...
To quote Debbie Schlussel from Brad's article-update...
"it's all true. WAKE. UP. AMERICA. We are under siege."
Yes we are under siege...from the corporate funded lie machine referred to as mainstream media. We're under siege from Wall Street, defense contractors and central banks....we're under siege from a right wing cabal of power mad rats who belong in a mental hospital...
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IntelVet
said on 12/6/2009 @ 7:39 am PT...
IANAL, but, can we turn debbie into the TSA for fomenting terror? Acting as a terrorist, herself?
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Soul Rebel
said on 12/6/2009 @ 9:51 am PT...
GBD, From what I remember from eyewitness testimony in Shanksville (and I don't have the source but I remember it well and I could hunt it down), there was a low flying plane that people were able to describe that fit the description of an A-10 Warthog (I think that was the plane - again, I remember the report well, eyewitness saying there was unusual military plane activity in the area.) I'll get searching for that report.
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Soul Rebel
said on 12/6/2009 @ 9:57 am PT...
GBD - disregard A-10 reference. I found the report I was looking for, it's been a couple of years since I've looked at it, and no doubt you are already familiar. But for everyone else: Shanksville.
COMMENT #11 [Permalink]
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zapkitty
said on 12/6/2009 @ 4:00 pm PT...
I know it's wrong. I know I'm a bad, bad kitty... but whenever I read about a "Gene Hackemack" in this tale about a wanna-be hijacking gone awry... a voice in my head keeps yelling "Miss Teschmacher! Miss Teschmacher!"
COMMENT #12 [Permalink]
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StewartIII
said on 12/7/2009 @ 1:39 am PT...
"The evil FNC has once again been embarrassed, exposed, and debunked! It's all about a kerfuffle on a TranAir flight that somehow got interpreted as a "dry run" for a terrorist attack. And of course Fox News jumped on the story. Or did they? We first spotted this at something called Chattabox:"
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'A fraudulent email making the rounds of the right-wing blogosphere this past week, from Glenn Beck’s 9/12 site to Fox News, relayed the amazing first-hand tale of an heroic patriotic Texan who practically single-handily thwarted a “terrorist dry run” on a flight from Atlanta to Houston.'
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"It's not clear just when this fraudulent email made its way to FNC, as Mr Chattabox doesn't reveal that information. The only other reference to Fox News is a mention in the email itself of a foxnews.com report--which of course was published before the email was sent. (This story on foxnews.com is a short Associated Press piece in the "local news" section. It says [nothing about a dry run] but simply describes a dispute over a phone call that delayed a flight.)"
http://www.foxnews.com/s...ry/0,2933,575558,00.html
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"Chattabox, with zero documentation, claimed Fox pushed a fraudulent email. Where did they get [this] idea from? We found this at Keith Olbermann's favorite blog, the Daily Kos, where HankNYNY's headline took aim at the real villain of the piece--Fox News!"
http://wwww.dailykos.com...-Islamist-Hijack-Attempt
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'DEBUNKED: FOX News - Debbie Schlussel -9/12 Project All Backed "Dry Run" Islamist Hijack Attempt'
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"Now here's a coincidence. Just like Chattabox, Kos's exposé of this blatant Fox News error makes no mention whatsoever of just how Fox "backed" the claim of a "dry run". Nothing! Perhaps mindful of this fact, the Kossack later added a comment to his own post:"
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'FOX News ran an interview w Robinson [Schlussel]. I wanted to clarify the headline, since no other primary source was from FOX News in my diary.'
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"Keith Robinson was another passenger on this plane, and as a source for his alleged Fox News "interview" Hank cites...Debbie Schlussel, whom Hank has just attacked as untrustworthy! We checked out [Schlussel's piece], and she doesn't say FNC did an interview with this guy. She reprints someone else's email mentioning a Robinson appearance on Fox News. So Hank's "proof" is an email from one of the people he's debunking. That's his source for smearing Fox News?!?"
http://www.debbieschluss...dd-petrunas-my-new-hero/---
"We looked long and hard for this "Fox News" interview with Keith Robinson, without success. Regardless, for HankNYNY this detail was too good to check, so he made it the lead in his headline! And he's not the only one who sought to implicate FNC. The esteemed Brad Blog sneered:"
https://bradblog.com/?p=7559
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'Rightwing Muslim-fearing Fox "News"-addled cowards live in an alternate-reality fantasy world entirely of their own making.'
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"The first comment to this post:"
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'Your dissembling pals over at Fox "News"? Now there's where you can find the "real" American nightmare.'
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J$P: FOX Haters Week in Review
http://homepage.mac.com/...s/blog/hfm281834930.html
COMMENT #13 [Permalink]
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TLV
said on 12/7/2009 @ 8:14 am PT...
The right is so far down the memory hole, it will be a miracle if they ever resurface. Can you imaginenwaht thei reaction would be if we found out that Joe Biden spent even one second of one of his days playing "war games?" But we are supoposed to act as if it is oh, so normal for the vice president standing in as president while the real one was in a classroom in Florida, to do so on the ONE DAY in our history that four planes are highjacked and flown into buildings and the ground in Shanksville? In addition, we are supposed to think it an amazing coincidence that FEMA was holding drills at the site of the Twin Towers at exactly the same time? Wow. Osama Bin Laden sure is great with logistics.
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Mitch Trachtenberg
said on 12/7/2009 @ 8:16 am PT...
Does anyone remember the FBI's wanted poster for the Unabomber --- the poster that showed him wearing a hoodie? I remember wondering for years if the FBI had classified evidence that the Unabomber couldn't remove that hoodie.
Now I wonder: do all Arab terrorists insist on wearing Arab headdress when they test the system? Is it something to do with giving the great Satan a sporting chance?
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Jeff Adams
said on 12/7/2009 @ 9:11 am PT...
I was reading your page and wondering why you guys hate America so. Oh, I agree that greed and entitlement have melted the fabric of what our founders built upon, however, I also understand that we should all be thankful that we live in this country. The very country that sends men and women into war in order to defend the right of "the people" to decry the misuse of power. Try posting this page in most other countries and see the response you get from the government.
But I doubt seriously that any of you will understand that some day, God forbide, oh thats right , you don't believe in God, but God forbide that another Muslim extremist plys his dirty trade and attacks us, killing hundreds or thousands. Yes, Christianity has its skeleton, but I have been a Christian since 1975, and to this day I don't know of any Christians who is for killing Muslims, or gays, yet Muslim continue to kill and injure even their own.
COMMENT #16 [Permalink]
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BlueHawk
said on 12/7/2009 @ 9:49 am PT...
Jeff Adams @15
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Maybe we love this country so much that we're willing to speak up when it's wrong and injuring itself and it's citizens. You know like a drug addicted family member that has an intervention when his/her behavior has become intolerable.
We care enough to speak the truth to that which we love...when the country we love has been hi-jacked by religious zealots seeking armeggedon and holy war, greedy bankers whose only allegiance is to profits and a media that caters to the lie and the profane.
You say...
Yes, Christianity has its skeleton, but I have been a Christian since 1975, and to this day I don't know of any Christians who is for killing Muslims, or gays, yet Muslim continue to kill and injure even their own.
Why don't you google Erik Prince of Xe (formerly Blackwater) or any number of "Christian militias" who are this very moment training for resistence to this government...and your last line...
You should do some research on our own revolutionary war, and apply those sentiments to Iraqies and Afghanies whose country has been occupied by foriegn invaders.
You profess to be a Christian...but you ignore Christ's central commandment...
Love your neighbor as you love yourself
It takes some pretzel like twisting to conflate loving one's neighbor into bombing him to hell and occupying his land.
But hey...whatever helps you sleep at night.
COMMENT #17 [Permalink]
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mr.ed
said on 12/7/2009 @ 10:07 am PT...
The manure piles are bigger in Texas, too.
COMMENT #18 [Permalink]
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BlueHawk
said on 12/7/2009 @ 11:14 am PT...
RE: Brad's update on the Petruna scam...
Reached at [NASA's] Johnson Space Center's Neutral Buoyancy Lab this morning [where he works], Petruna told TPMmuckraker that despite AirTran's assertion, he was on the flight. He wouldn't say much, though, because "I'm in the middle of a lawsuit about this right now." We're not sure whether a lawsuit has actually been filed or what it would be about, though Petruna told Schlussel, the right-wing columnist, that he was mulling a defamation suit.
I wonder if the public can mull over a lawsuit against Petruna and Schlussel for defaming our collective intellects.
COMMENT #19 [Permalink]
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Big Dan
said on 12/7/2009 @ 1:01 pm PT...
I have to laugh at comment #15 Jeff Adams, Jeff: we're killing a MILLION Muslims right now in these wars! We displaced FOUR million Iraqi citizens who wanted to get away from our bombing!
Are you cracking up? What are YOU looking at?
COMMENT #20 [Permalink]
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IntelVet
said on 12/7/2009 @ 2:32 pm PT...
Yes, Christianity has its skeleton, but I have been a Christian since 1975, and to this day I don't know of any Christians who is for killing Muslims, or gays, yet Muslim continue to kill and injure even their own.
Jeff, 115 people subsequently found innocent, executed by the US. Only difference is in the US they don't kill them in open air stadiums, they hide them away in little killing rooms.
COMMENT #21 [Permalink]
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Shortbus
said on 12/7/2009 @ 4:57 pm PT...
Quote of the day?
"they consider the matter an airline customer service issue."-T.S.A
COMMENT #22 [Permalink]
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Questionman
said on 12/7/2009 @ 8:52 pm PT...
Times when left-wing stories are exposed...
once every two-three months.
Times when right-wing stories are exposed...
EVERY SINGLE DAY!!!!
24-7!!!!
COMMENT #23 [Permalink]
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Peter Venkman
said on 12/13/2009 @ 2:35 am PT...
I love how everybody accepts what the Airlines tell them as absolute fact.
These corporate raiders will lie to your face to keep the bucks rolling in. The Government will assist them to keep the rest of you sheeple thinking we are somehow safer or more prepared now than on 9/10/01.
I don't know Petruna guy, and I don't know if he is a liar, but let's not delude ourselves into thinking TSA or the airlines are honest and honorable.
COMMENT #24 [Permalink]
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L hastings
said on 12/13/2009 @ 11:20 am PT...
If you read the account of what the airline is saying that he never made that flight. How did Mr. Petruna know what when on if he was not on that plane?
COMMENT #25 [Permalink]
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Mike
said on 12/18/2009 @ 6:37 am PT...
A very similar thing happened to me this week. You may have heard on the (liberal) media that there were some delays out of Houston because of heavy fog. Do NOT believe this!
Monday I was at Starbucks at C Terminal in Houston International, when I saw several men of Middle Eastern descent buying coffee in the line ahead of me heckling and arguing with the poor barista behind the counter. I turned down the Toby Keith song I was listening to and tuned in on these guys.
"We will not pay you! You filthy infidel dog woman! Hey! Maybe we will pay you in Paradise in about (he looked at his watch) 37 minutes! Hahahahaha!!!" exclaimed the oldest of the crew. He then started to high-five his colleagues.
The young lady, who was visibly shaken by this, cowered behind the counter. I looked to my left and to my right and made eye contact with a huge retired Marine who was wearing cowboy boots, and a God Bless America ball cap. I knew he was a fellow patriot. I reached in my pocket, rubbed my lucky George W. Bush pendant, said a silent prayer, and edged through the line to these defiant Muslims. My new retired Marine friend was beside me. "Semper Fi" he mouthed silently.
"Don't you get it, silly infidel dog woman? We have one of our own in the White House now. Nothing can stop us!" the leader said with a grin.
I could smell a faint hit of marijuana (the only way I know what that sot-weed smells like, was from when I was beating protesters at one of those anti-Iraq war rallies). Anyway, I remember reading that muslim men indulge in this dangerous narcotic before they perform jihad.
I had enough! "Hey!" I shouted to the barista, "Give one venti cup of American Justice!" I then grabbed the leader by his beard and threw him into one of his cohorts. Meanwhile, some liberal pussy, wearing a "Give Peace a Chance T shirt, ran and cried under a table. My new retiree buddy grabbed two of the other guys and whacked their heads together. "This is for 9/11!" he said.
"28 minutes left, infidels! Then boom-boom!" the leader mumbled. I looked and that saw he carried what looked like a detonator in his jacket pocket. With rabbit-like speed I grabbed the detonator out of his hand and threw it to my partner. He then took it and snapped it in half.
Thankfully, six TSA agents and three federal agents came and thanked us for our dedication. They cleared everyone including us out of C Terminal and searched for any type of explosive.
A couple hours later, while several of us were singning "I'm Proud to be an American" to pictures of G.W. Bush, Dick Cheney, and Donald Rumsfeld, we were informed that C Terminal was opened. When I got to my gate I couldn't believe my eyes...there were those damn terrorists sipping coffee with the TSA agents as if nothing had happened...
Turns out nothing did happen. I'm batshit crazy.