Just how much money is ETC paying you and Brad...?

Please don't tell me your doing their work for no money.

How much the DRE companies must love you....

Yes, Brad, you are so helping out the DRE vendors... They must really fear this bill passing, since it does absolutely nothing.

Audits will mean more money for vendors. Maybe even barcode scanners will be sold with toilet paper roll printers. The 2010 mandate (ok.. 2008 but after Senate and Feinstein it will will 2010 or 2012) to replace electronic-only DREs will mean more voting machine sales and another few hundred million thrown at vendors.

So again, what is so great in HR811 that vending machine companies don't want it passed?

"durable" ballot does not mean single piece of regular size paper. It just means more cash register paper nonsense. "reviewing code" even if it stuck with original wording (which HAS BEEN CHANGED) still means they get to decide if you are a qualified entity and you have to sign non-disclosure.

So again, tell me WHY voting vendors would not love this bill? ANyone pimping it stands to get $$$ from being a "audit expert" or states having to re-buy newer machines or printer add-ons.

Kat -

Yes, that's right. We're working for the ETC (Election Technology Council, the voting machine companies lobbying/propaganda consortium). You've caught us! And geez, up until now, Diebold, Sequoia, ES&S, Hart et al have been such big fans of The BRAD BLOG because we've been so very nice and supportive of them.

First day on Planet Earth, Kat? If so, welcome!

Brad why do you put up with these trolls?

Anyway, thanks for all that you do. Anytime I need facts, evidence, logic, evidence, reality, logic concerning any of the voting issues, this is where I go.

Anytime I wish to live in la-la land...I turn on CNN.

BTW, I hope that you do not mind my quoting you as the foremost expert on these issues throughout these threads:
http://forum.prisonplane...m/index.php?topic=4647.0
http://forum.prisonplane...om/index.php?topic=395.0
http://forum.prisonplane...om/index.php?board=255.0

Just let me know and I will stop stealing your stuff (I personally love when people steal my stuff, but that is just my personal view and I respect yours).

In addition, it looks like the Texas Straw Poll was even more corrupt than Iowa, I was wondering if you could look into it:
http://forum.prisonplane...m/index.php?topic=4553.0

Look at this disturbing video by Texas Governor Rick Perry relating dems to KKK. It was released right before the Texas Straw Poll:

Also, are you open to guest blogging? If you got an hour at some point could ya lend us some of your exceptional skills?

Best to you man. If we had 100 like you, voting would be resolved and we could move on to other things.

Oops, here is the modified YouTube Video of Rick Prry:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z33bbuTQHVQ

Here is some background info:
2007 Texas Republican Straw Poll Propaganda

As explained at the beginning of this video, this is a portion of the presentations at the Republican Straw Poll in Texas on September 1, 2007. Parts of the film 1984 and footage of WTC 7, were added to show the massive amount of propaganda throughout the day. All other footage, including that of the ten commandments, is as was presented at the poll. This video was on screen while votes were being counted. Rick Perry’s full address to the congregation of Republican delegates and event goers can be viewed here. While partially historically correct, politicians on both “sides” continue to push the left and right argument. Please take notice of the underlying message throughout the video. While seemingly benign to those not tuned into understanding propaganda, there are many messages throughout that must be addressed.

The left and right hate mongering is as alive as ever. Why is it that they needed to bring up absolutely dated information to smear the Democratic party? Why did Rick Perry, along with Hillary Clinton, completely ignore the fact that Ron Paul exists? “No candidates on the ballot from Texas”…? The last I checked the coast of Texas was still in Texas. Please recognize that the “left” and “right” paradigm is a farce used to divide and conquer. There is no “right” and “left” there is only tyranny and freedom.

John, tracking a bill is sorta like tracking hurricanes. There is a projected path, but everyone knows that course changes can show up.

You mentioned "bi-partisan" which usually means dems, repubs, and indys have made a deal on something.

EI websites are not bi-partisan or unbiased on this particular bill. It has eveyone showing their colors. A true unbiased site would explain the bills so that their bloggers could decide for themselves. Alas, however cult energies have raised their ugly heads and celebrities in the movement want a following.

The upcoming vote in congress will, if the bill is tracking on course, first be about HR 811 RH, which is an amendment, which I explain more and link to below. If the amendment fails on the floor, then all that is left is HR 811 IH, the original version. If RH passes, however, IH will fade away.

And in the Senate there is a bill related to both IH and RH Holt versions. It is S. 559 IS, and if that Senate bill stays on track there will be a 4th version injected into the equation, which will be S. 559 RS.

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Take a look at the Thomas page on S 559:

S.559

Title: A bill to amend the Help America Vote Act of 2002 to require a voter-verified permanent paper ballot under title III of such Act, and for other purposes.

Sponsor: Sen Nelson, Bill [FL] (introduced 2/13/2007)

Cosponsors (None)

Related Bills: H.R. 811

Latest Major Action: 2/13/2007 Referred to Senate committee.

Status: Read twice and referred to the Committee on Rules and Administration.

(Thomas, emphasis mine). And in like manner, look at the lead Thomas page on HR 811:

There are 2 versions of Bill Number H.R.811 for the 110th Congress

1 . Voter Confidence and Increased Accessibility Act of 2007 (Introduced in House)[H.R.811.IH]

2 . Voter Confidence and Increased Accessibility Act of 2007 (Reported in House)[H.R.811.RH]

(Thomas, emphasis mine). There are TWO VERSIONS of HR 811, not one. Thomas also says:

H.R.811

Title: To amend the Help America Vote Act of 2002 to require a voter-verified permanent paper ballot under title III of such Act, and for other purposes.

Sponsor: Rep Holt, Rush D. [NJ-12] (introduced 2/5/2007)

Cosponsors (216)

Related Bills: S.559

Latest Major Action: 5/16/2007 Placed on the Union Calendar, Calendar No. 91.

House Reports: 110-154

(Thomas, emphasis mine). Why is it so scary to include S 559 and both HR 811 RH, and HR 811 IH n what poses as comprehensive discussions?

Isn't it deceptive to tell only 1/3 of a three-part story as if it was the whole story? To talk about only one chapter of a book as if it was the whole book, when there are actually three chapters?

Especially when HR 811 RH is "an amendment in the nature of a replacement" to the original HR 811 IH, and if HR 811 RH is not passed, the better text in HR 811 IH will prevail?

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The Election Integrity movement should try to reach all members by telling them about the 4 versions, how those 4 come into existence, and what are the procedural ramifications of the passage or rejection of each version.

If EI honchos want the original Holt (IH) to be the final version, then they should urge their followers to contact their representatives and have them vote no on the amended version (RH).

But if they want the amended version (RH) to be the final version, then they should urge a vote of no on the original version (IH). If they want both to not be passed, and RH does pass, then they should tell their representatives to vote no on IH too when it comes up later.

It is a bit early for S 559 IS, the original Senate version of the original Holt (IH). Senators are waiting to see what happens on the House bill.

Happy tracking.

Kat,

Cum'mon you have to do better than that. "Ban DRE's" is all over our website at VotersUnite. The ETC is led by Sequoia's spokesliar, Michelle Shafer, who I have certainly been chummy with in her lack of integrity over posting evidence against Dan Rather's report that is only evidence of Sequoia's incompetence.

Dredd,

You are totally wrong on this the Introduced to House version is one thing, the Reported version is another, and the one they will be voting on in the rules committee is NOT IN THOMAS. There are secret changed versions which people have gotten from Holt since then. In the last thread where you were CORRECTED the link was given.

Who knows what the bill will look like when it is voted on Thursday. Also, for every idiot saying, yeah it doesn't have XYZ that we wanted, but it will eliminate electronic-only voting for 2008... This is total horseshit! The Senate version and that group has made it clear, those changes are too soon for 2008 and will likely be 2012. If Holt passed the House, it will be rewritten to be even more toothless.

I doubt even the audit requirements will stay for 2008. We will have a bill which does only one thing for 2008, it will give EAC permanent authority, it will fund EAC with tons more money and power. Audits will be made optional and post election certification and take place in 2012, DRE with no paper trails will be postponed until 2012, and "durable paper ballots" will mean more cash register toilet paper rolls. Software will only be reviewable by "qualified" entities chosen by a corrupt EAC. Bravo greedy Holt supporters! I hope you get all the consultant and lawyer work you can handle.

I just got a slimy email from Bob Edgar at Common Cause. Those miscreants must be in bed with the fascists! It's time to fill the streets, surround the Capitol so their only egress is in helicopters, from the roof. It's time things went full circle!

Sane -

I don't mind you quoting me, but would prefer if you'd run a few grafs of the article, and then link to the original for more. Useful when updates are added, and it won't lose all the formatting as you've got currently (so it's impossible to tell what I've written and what is actually a quote from elsewhere.)

Dredd -

Still love ya, but you're completely out of touch when it comes to the parliamentary procedure of legislation in the House and Senate. Happy to grapple with you on the legal issues, and even defer to your greater experience there. But your description of how events will roll forward with HR 811 and S 559 is completely without basis or apparent knowledge of how the process actually works in the House and Senate.

None #10

There are secret changed versions which people have gotten from Holt since then.

(emphasis mine). Sorry None, I do not subscribe to the "secret" gospel. I stick to the congressional record being all official and all that.

Brad #12

Pontification noted, but John is having second thoughts or getting in touch too, one or the other.

It is a Katrina moment, tracking bills is like tracking hurricanes, even on the official site.

It really gets religious trying to track it on the enlightened places that have supplanted the official!

Thanks Brad, you got it.