Brad,..

Heard of cloning ?

Mr. Brad Friedman X 10 - come November 2006 we will
be running circles around them FASCISTS !!!!!

Is Bobby Kennedy the greatest, or what? A Democrat acting like a Democrat! Wow, how refreshing.

Keep on the Busby/Bilbray thing, Brad. It's bigger than Busby, it's about stealing elections.

Is there going to be a hand recount in the Busby/Bilbray election? If not, why not...I ask thee?

Can you "recount" something that hasn't actually been counted yet? Just askin'

Much more to come...

With all of these organizations jumping on the band wagon and in particular CEPN, what influence do they have to affect any sort of action.

On a different subject - here's an example where Bushco is only in it for the profit. BUSH'S SECRET ASSAULT ON THE WORD'S POOREST AIDS PATIENTS

Where's his "Fighting it over there..." mantra now?

! ! ! ! ! Bravo ! ! ! Brad ! ! ! Bravo ! ! ! ! !

FBI,.. Bin Laden poster 10 Most Wanted
Has no mention of 9/11 attack
FBI says insufficient evidence - WTF
Bin Laden FBI Wanted Poster

Follow up info to above,.. Link

Awesome news guys..!! The pendulum is starting to swing your way.

# 6 Bluebear2

Un-f***-ing believable..!! Those responsible should be hung by the neck until ....... well, you know the rest..!! Come to think of it, that would be TOO quick a punishment.

#8 old turk: I wish the FBI would consider the abundant evidence that 9/11 was an inside job. That would be refreshing.

Agent BB2: I can't take so much awfulness! We have to make it stop.

Brad: You rock. xoxoxox

BLUEBEAR 2,..

All these groups combined and the signed
petitions,.. put more pressure on the authorities and give those who ultimately take action to officially
file for the hand count much more ammunition. If there is an army of pissed off people who demand action about these failed elections it is far more difficult
to ignore or not take these people seriously. Also too
you've got to hand it to Brad et al,.. the MSM controls
the content of the news with an iron fist,.. Brad is showing in real-time how the MSM can be readily bypassed and an issue can be forced front and center,.. no matter how much that exposure is to the chagrin of those who control the reins of power.

The blogs are becoming titans who need not back-down to the powerhouses of media. It is about time,.. none too soon,.. very timely just prior to Nov 2006 - THAT THE BLOGS FLEX THEIR MUSCLE,.. A SHOW OF FORCE IF YOU WILL,.. SHOW OF STRENGHTH,.. THE MSM HAD BETTER
STRAIGHTEN OUT AND FLY RIGHT OR THE BLOGS WILL LEAVE THEM IN THE DUST.

This Busby/Bilbray thang could be a gift from the GODS,.. all the right buttons have been pushed that one could hope for,.. it is a BF issue,.. it is in BF's
backyard,.. he has assembled a phalanx of warriors,..
who would not think twice to march side by side onto
the battlefield. BF et al might not just win this skirmish,.. they might also win the war.

Grab a bowl of hot popcorn,.. and enjoy the show.

If BF needs back up,.. or an extra hand,.. I hope he is wise enough to reach out via this blog,.. many folks
would be proud to avail themselves to render assistance
in a multitude of ways. It would not be much wisdom to
burn himself out,.. there is much to be done and accomplished between now and November 2006. Keep the physical and mental acumen in reserve.

Finally,.. may the battle commence.

Oh,.. excuse me,.. that last post,.. was to,..

AGENT BB II.

I forgot he had been given his gold badge and credentials.

I hate to piss on y'all's parade, but I don't see that things are swing our way!
WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO ABOUT NOV. ELECTIONS???
Can it be any more obvious that they'll "win" every time if we don't do something?
Do any of y'all have a working stratagy? What to do when the state's machines are not required to have a paper trail? What to do when the DREs don't work? What to do when the hackable vote-scanner machines give us a 51 - 49 Pub "win" ??? Recount? How do we arrange for safeguards of the paper ballots where they are?
What to do to recognize and publicize the trainwreck? If anyone has answers, please let us know...

shw

Shannon Williford,..

As a back up,..

Always carry a powerful handheld degausser,..

or the biggest,.. strongest,.. heaviest,..

magnet you can handle.

Please stand by.

Yes, old turk, we at CONTROL have deemed Bluebear2 to be an excellent agent. He's already helped 86 out of many scrapes. He even has his own shoe phone now. The forces of KAOS have gotten completely out of hand, witness link at #6 above. Appalling! So his code name is BB2, and the password is: Candied Apples.

Shannon: I thought we were celebrating here because there are a bunch of things unequivocally about to be done. Don't piss on us yet!

AGENT 69errrr 99,..

May the force be with us,.. carry on !

Is that rain from above ?

Or is someone taking a whiz,..

on those who project a positive attitude ?

Well, I'm hearing Gene Kelly singin' in the rain, just singin' in the rain. It's the true human inside the freaked out, frustrated, pissed off (and on) harridan, made maniacal by filthy swine who just NEVER give anyone but themselves a break these days. So if I can hear the real Agent 99, that's the sound of real strength returning.

:)

BRAD! I closed the italics after my song quote above, but they didn't close? If the rest of the thread is italicised... well... I did close them on that post.

:P

{Ed Note: No worries, 99, it wasn't your fault. It was some not young guy from Turkey who is to blame ...Now fixed.}

Brad:

I'm so glad that you continue to chase this issue. About 20 times a day I check in here just to see if there is any election news. When I'm reading about some candidate on Kos, etc., all I can think about is that it is a waste of time to support anyone UNLESS THE VOTES ARE COUNTED AND LEGITIMATE!!!!

(By the way, it seems that election fraud is no longer a taboo in some circles where it used to be forbidden.)

And on top of that, I feel that the gravity of a Bushevik earth has become a growing force --- that it has become much harder to lift my arms to type, or move my body to react. I've grown tired of the lies --the weight of the dead and broken bodies is suffocating.

So it is good to see that there are those who have the strength to continue the fight. Thank you, from the bottom of my very heavy heart.

BB2 - (C) # 6

More of the same over and over again,..

Propaganda,.. Conflicts of Interests,.. Insider Trading,.. Violations of the Public Trust. That is the
M.O. of this corrupt/fascist administration. Avaricious sons-a-bitches,.. money is their only God,..
they think Jesus a pinko,.. he didn't say/do good,..
Jesus was just a Betty. That's why they love the OLD Testaments,.. and hate the New. Philistines - money changers in the temple,.. is all they are.

Deception/Propaganda : Link # 1

Deception/Propaganda : Link # 2

Every time the Repubthugs steal another election there's a whole lot of hollerin' but little or no legal action. It's like throwing spitballs at their illegal machine. If the election violated state & federal law in CA-50 then why doesn't the Busby camp, the Democratic Party in CA, the DNC or some other democratic organization legally challenge the election? Town meetings, petitions and phone calls do absolutely nothing! Challenging the fuckers in court is the only way to stop them and California is one of the few states where a challenge can succeed. If the Busby election is not challenged in court, we might as well all take our marbles, go home and shut the fuck up because we don't have the balls to play hardball.

This new system on this blog is a piece of shit.
NOW IT IS STUCK ON ITALICS.

It is always breaking down or somehow malfunctioning.
It is reminiscent of Diebold election equipment.

I've had it ! Please redirect me to the nearest red-neck blog,.. at least there one can hope things are operational more often than NOT.

I'm kidding,.. I'm just kidding,.. I swear to God,..
I'm just kidding !

{ED NOTE: Uh, Turk...it ain't the arrows, it's the Indian. You keep forgetting to close your tags! Close 'em, or hit "Close Tags" before you hit submit! Turning off the BOLD you left on now...Like I ain't got enough to do? }

Hope this closes the italics...

So anyhow, I wanted to chime in to support your emphasis on the CA50 special election. It is a golden opportunity to draw attention to this issue in a race that was a microcosm of a general election, and therefore much easier to focus on without the distraction of all the 434 other house races (plus senate and governorships) that will be in contention in November.

If Busby won't take this issue seriously yet, somebody should talk to her directly about this and explain to her that she will have no better chance to win in November or ever if she doesn't take it up now.

For those who say it is better not to make a big deal because it will depress turnout, a higher turnout would only give more legitimacy to a tampered outcome. That's good?

Test,.. one,.. two

Test,.. 1,..2

BRAD,... BRAD,... BRAD !

I think we got a new problem down here.

All the blame can be attributed to AGENT 33

he just made admissions to the fact,..

just above.

Has KAOS gained control of CONTROL's front page? oldturk? You really gots ta close the tags you use. BB2 and 86 get suspicious.

Kathy (#23): It would be nice if a losing candidate would just walk into court the day after the election, but it isn't that simple. There are a variety of subtle legal issues that impact when this will happen.

There are also "media-related" issues. If this is just a civil lawsuit, it will get swallowed up in the right-wing-dominated courts of San Diego before it ever gets to the 9th Circuit or the SCOTUS. They need to build "media traction" that will force the issue to the top of judge's agendas and make sure they won't dare bury it or "time it out" until after November when it will be moot.

Many things must be done. What WE can do is spread the word. Buy the relevant books and ROLLING STONE and give them to friends, associates, family, co-workers, and neighbors. GET THE WORD OUT! Send people to this blog. Give money to this blog. Volunteer. Talk to people. MAKE CHANGE!!!

While we are building the "groundswell," there are plenty of people in DC and CA who are preparing the wave to start.

If we do this right, we will give Turdblossom the suprise of his ugly life.

THERE IS A TINY BIT OF HOPE.

Charlie L
Portland, OR

AG-99

I know,.. I know,... I know.

At times I am inherently absentia mindendo.

Please don't tell BR/FR

Wow - this is a nice blog you got here.

I can not believe the details you have delved into
about this election problems and fraud. If you don't mind,.. I will be coming back to visit this blog often,..and I will bring a big bunch of friends and relatives.

Good Day - KEEP ON KEEPING ON !

Don't mind at all Smirk! In fact, I'm counting on it! Bring everyone ya can! Welcome aboard the citizen's army of patriots!

SHSHSHSH.................

(agent 99) sh

I had to go double-undercover (until the heat is off)

Like super-duper covert.

(tell agent bb2 I said hi)

Yes, Smirk, it feels good to spend time with people who REALLY care about making our country the true kind of great. I highly recommend it to everyone. It gets darn oppressive out there, and in here, hearing about all these awful things every day, but it always ends up restoring your vitality to be with people who so clearly want good things for this world. And, Brad will blow your mind when you start seeing how much he does, and how well he does it. Happy you stopped by.

a-99

Oh,.. I forgot,..([{candied apples}])

(roger-over and out).

a-99

Oh,.. I forgot,..([{candied apples}])

(10-4 / roger-over and out).

Smirshshsh! Oh! Dastardly deed! You must NEVER forget the code word, and, and, and.... BB2 is plotting at an undisclosed location with Agent 86 right this very now! Beware! KAOS will be broken.

I'd like second Charlie L.'s motion about getting the word out. Crooked elections aren't uppermost in people's minds, amazing as that might sound. Consider:

1) Half the eligible voting population doesn't vote

2) The same half cares more about sports, celebrities' private lives, their car, and shopping at the mall than about honest elections

3) Another quarter does vote, but follows party allegiance and/or what their pastor tells them to do, and pastors rarely sermonize against crooked elections

4) Election fraud is widely considered a "liberal's" concern, and everyone knows liberals are kooks

5) Elected officials consider election challenges to be motivated by politics, and don't honor them (as witness Senators' failure to support Barbara Boxer)

6) Corporate media are still slow to recognize problem

7) Almost no one understands the complexities of computer software and how to hack a machine, thus people who might otherwise complain, do not

8) HAVA now stands for "Hack Any Voting Apparatus," so we have to overcome the so-called help of Congress

Charlie L. is right. We've all got work to do.

Try this little deal out, link, Weird huh

Playing games with polls
this article was from 2002 in Kenya
"The poll was conducted by Nairobi-based pollsters Strategic Public Relations and Research International, who were commissioned by the IRI."
Just a quick read and another piece of the puzzle, using phony polls to influence (or spin) last minute vote switches ? link

Just as one cannot recount the ballots by hand until they have been counted by hand the first time, there is no way to be OT in this OPEN THREAD!!!

This must be a liberal thread (candied apples).

... well ... not quite the old days ... I miss posting Annie "Get Your Gun" Gannon-Guckert photos ...

Experiment:

8) 0) &) %) ;0

There ... now I feel better ...

I watched The Century of the Self over at Information Clearing House and found out that Bernays was the father of "Public Relations",(aka,non-war propaganda),one of his quotes, "When I came back to the United States, I decided that if you could use propaganda for war, you could certainly use it for peace. And propaganda got to be a bad word because of the Germans.. using it. So what I did was to try to find some other words, so we found the words Council on Public Relations". link

Nowadays its Astroturfing

"Creating an artificial 'grassroots' movement is known as astroturfing. A typical example would be the writing of letters to multiple newspaper editors under different names to express an opinion on an issue, creating the impression of widespread public feeling but being controlled by one central entity." link

Good Morning Dredd

I'm especially fond of this quote from this article
"This is exactly what has happened to U.S. elections with the introduction of networked electronic voting machines. There is no longer a public count of the votes in the polling station. The authentication of the precinct tally by election judges has become meaningless because they are not allowed to count the votes." link

We need to anticipate all the possibilities. One that I worry about is that we DO manage to get a recount in Busby v. Bilbray, but the results don't appear to have been hacked, and the Republican wins. The news media will then try to use that to say that the machines have now been shown to be safe, because the results didn't change, so therefore there is nothing to worry about. So we need to repeatedly be saying that we will be happy either way because we will ... we will...

I was going to say we will finally KNOW who won then, even if it was the Republican, but it just occurred to me to think about all those closed doors over the paper-trail thing. What's to keep the hack from generating an extra paper-trail record now and then instead of just one? Best to do that after a republican vote--just output two votes for that one. If someone DOES open the door and watch, will anyone believe them when they say they saw two vote-records slide by, instead of just their own?
Do they let people bring digital cameras into the polling place? Because I'm going to want to make a video of my vote, showing everything. Everyone should.

Smiling here, I needed to hear this. Things are looking up. I hope the lawsuit gets filed before the primaries here in Tennessee (August) just so more people will get what the hell I'm talkin about when I bring up election reform and the security issues of the machines. (In my small county we still use paper ballots, thank goodness)

The thing is, with all of this evidence of the ABILITY to change the results of an election right out there in the open, it lends weight to any challenges that ANY candidate wants to bring after an election. To paraphrase Donald Rumsfeld, it's a "known known" Look for the courts to be PACKED with lawsuits after November.

It is frustrating though, to continuously put verifiable information out there and to STILL get the "sore loser" response. On my blog the other day, I finally posted something like, if certain hackers want Hillary Clinton for President, she will be selected - and in order to get the issue of election tampering into the public eye, that very well might happen. And anyone who isn't making noise now doesn't warrant a voice then.

Hey, whatever it takes to get their attention

For some reason all we have to do is say the "H" word and the little Bushites start to tremble with rage and soil themselves.

Hang in there Brad, safe travels.

It is possible that Bilbray won legitimately, simply because that district is so Republican to begin with. It's like New Canaan, Connecticut...if the incumbent Republican were caught dealing drugs at the junior high school in his underwear, they'd still re-elect him over a Democrat. I'm not kidding about that. It's the Marion Barry/Washington, D.C. syndrome in reverse.

That doesn't mean the challenge shouldn't go forward, because election improprities are their own evil. If election machinery can sit unguarded in someone's garage, the process itself is forfeit. What's needed is for someone to confront Bilbray and ask, "Does it make you feel comfortable to know you won an election under these circumstances, or should you not be speaking out yourself?" Debra Bower and/or Jeeni Criscenzo are in the ideal position to ask him that question.

COMMENT #44 [Permalink]
... John Dowd said on 6/20/2006 @ 4:42 am PT..

Just the way you said that above, shows we are slowly learning

When we're able to predict their next move regularly, then we'll be on the road to election reform

By exposing them, their effectiveness will diminish, kinda like how everyone pretty much knows now what Rove is going to say or do next, it gets repetitive after a while, a pattern develops

Very interesting blog, enjoyed reading the comments.

Good Morning Vietnam ... er I mean Floridiot ... flashback there ...

I found a website that claims to have a substantial database of foreign newspaper articles (link here).

I would give a link to the specific page for searching what they describe as:

This database contains more than 6,000 newspaper titles published outside the United States. Holdings from the various Area Study Microform Projects are included.

However, this damn software still does not allow question marks (command parameters) in URLs, at least not today, so I can't give the URL to the specific page.

I am going to see if I can find out what the world view is on our election machine technology.

Oh yeah, John and whos to say what is on the machine tape = what buttons on the screen were pushed
Didn't they rig the old lever machines by reaching in and giving the counters an extra few flicks ?
What about a paper clip in the punch card machines ?
How about screen alignment on the new ones ?
I'm more of a switch every 100th or so vote through the software conspiracy nut myself, easy to program, hard to detect

Privacy no long exists in the United States. And the police forces, led by federal agencies, are complicit and in some cases leading the charge:

"Numerous federal and local law enforcement agencies have bypassed subpoenas and warrants designed to protect civil liberties and gathered Americans' personal telephone records from private-sector data brokers.

These brokers, many of whom advertise aggressively on the Internet, have gotten into customer accounts online, tricked phone companies into revealing information and even acknowledged that their practices violate laws, according to documents gathered by congressional investigators and provided to The Associated Press"

(link here).

Experiment:
8-) 0-) &-) %-) ;-0 :p

I did not have much luck with the database of foreign newspapers mentioned in my post #49, however, I found a page that links to foreign news sources that publish in english (english language foreign newspapers).

We know their listening (reading) Dredd
All I can say in my old construction language is F*#k em,
let em listen, I don't really give a flying F*#k

Or as one old timer used to say was F*#k the F*#kin F*#kers

MidEast afficionados can read online newspapers in arabic or in english from links at this site (scroll down for english versions), which focus on local middle east news, but they also have news concerning global matters.

In perusing some of the material, and still reeling from the lack of outrage at preznit blush's allowing Dubai/UAE to take over 9 military factories in the US (link here), I wondered just what is it about Dubai/UAE that preznit blush likes so much about it?

I found the secret dubai blogspot, where it is said:

So hear it now. Sheikha Sanaa bint Mana bin Rashid Al Maktoum was an amazing woman, one of the greatest Grand Old Dames of Dubai. In keeping with custom here, she lived completely out of the public eye. But she was known to have a powerful influence in the Ruler's Court, and was greatly respected and admired.

Immediately I hurried to translate this from dubaispeak into english, and came up with:

So hear it now. [Barbara Bush] was an amazing woman, one of the greatest Grand Old Dames of Dubai. In keeping with custom here, she lived completely out of the public eye. But she was known to have a powerful influence in the [Supreme Court], and was greatly respected and admired.

Her full name is Sheikha bin Sehling Lothsa Weapuhns.

Heh Dredd, this is irrefutable evidence that the Pukes are stealing elections
" عبدالرضا مصري " روز سه شنبه با اشاره به ديدار نمايندگان اين كميسيون با مسوولان سازمان بهزيستي ، افزود: در ديدار امروز ، نمايندگان كميسيون با مشكلات بخش اجرايي اين سازمان بيشتر آشنا شده و مشكلات و مسايل مردم نيز به مسوولان بهزيستي منتقل شد .

به گفته وي، مشكلات مربوط به معلولان، خانواده‌ها و كودكان بي‌سرپرست و زنان خودسرپرست و نحوه توانمندسازي نيازمندان تحت پوشش بهزيستي و افراد پشت نوبت حمايت و خدمات اين سازمان در اين جلسه مورد بررسي قرار گرفت. Only my eyes are sooo screwed up today

Candied Apples

I went to bed early and I see it has been busy here last night. Agent86 has arrived and we have already found this disclosure: two investigators for the Pentagon's inspector general in Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld's office on April 1, 2005, asked the secretary to raise his hand and swear to tell the truth.
Rumsfeld agreed but complained. "I find it strange," he said to the investigators, on the grounds that as a government official "the laws apply to me" anyway.

Never fear Agent99 we will prevail!

Floridiot #55

Don't you have to read that from left to right?

wonk I od lleh eht tahw tub ,tfel ot thgir mrof sti kniht I

#42 Floridiot

Bernays was the nephew of Sigmund Freud. Christopher Bryson, in the FLUORIDE DECEPTION, writes about Bernays and how, in WWII and after, the defense industry and the US Government used Bernays to "sell" fluoride to the American public. Fluoride was a toxic waste from the enrichment of uranium and from manufacture of aluminum and other metals. Industry workers and citizens living near these facilities were suffering terrible health problems. Lawsuits were inevitable. Bernays did his job very well of convincing the public that fluoride was actually good for humans. Defense attorneys would actually slap down a tube of Ipana toothpaste in front of a Plaintiff's expert and ask: "Are you telling me Dr. ____, that the fluoride in this toothpaste is a toxin?"

The only case I have ever heard of where the plaintiff won was in Oregon in the 50s. Martin v. Reyonlds Aluminum.

Yes, our government has a long history of Psy Ops.

crap mrof = morf

Floridiot #55

سازمان بيشتر آشنا شده و مشكلات

The translation is, I have 5 jets factories to sell ...

Now that you sent the official language, Dredd, go look at your hits on your firewall...veeery interesting

Floridiot - you misspelled "morf" - now the trolls are going to come and call you a "moran"!

Hey whats with this little dot thingy attached to the top of my cursor? I think KAOS is watching me type!

Yeah, Sandy old Bernays was a nasty dude, but he just acted like "nothing wrong with that" in his interview on The Century of the self, he kind of bragged about it

نيازمندان تحت پوشش بهزيستي و افراد

Translation: George Bush #1 al-Qeada recruiting agent.

Don't forget to support and help Debra Bowen in a big way.

For Greens and independents - Debra supports IRV (instant runoff voting).

But, of course, nothing is more important than getting Debra into a key position to promote and ensure election integrity.

I respect the core issue nature of this blog.

Ihope it's cool with Brad that I post links to my blog here. I know you are doing important work and I dont seek to distract from it. I believe in the work Im doing and want to share it with your readers.

PRESIDENT BUSH SAYS FITZGERALD'S INVESTIGATION IS OVER

and

BUSH COMMENTS DONT BODE WELL FOR LIBBY PARDON

http://citizenspook.blogspot.com

Thought I would pass this along:

"...
How many times am I asked, “Why vote if they’re going to steal the election?” That’s the point: Make them STEAL it. Make them know they can’t win UNLESS they steal it.
..."

Arrived in an e-mail from Greg Palast, author of ARMED MADHOUSE and THE BEST DEMOCRACY MONEY CAN BUY, and the reporter who broke the story of the theft of the 2000 election in 2000 [In the UK Gardian], back when it could have made a difference)

Saw him speak a few weeks ago in Portland, See him on his tour if you can --- he's AWSOME!!!

Charlie L
Portland, OR
CLL2001@gmail.com

#10..Remember Coleen Rowley. She was quoted as saying that there was a lot of concern from field agents about the terroists activity..but higher ups were afraid for their jobs if they investigated. Now, if the FBI wasn't dirty at the top...they would have investigated. That tells me there are a lot of people who know what really happened. One thing that has bothered me is NORRAD. The vice president was conducting war games? That is so sci fi. VP's are supposed to go to state funerals. Anyway, thanks Brad for your bulldog approach to election fraud. Didn't Robert Kennedy say the american people were beind him and Rolling Stone has had 2and a half times more emails from his article than any other in their hisotry?

"By the way, it seems that election fraud is no longer a taboo in some circles where it used to be forbidden"

Probably because it's becoming talked about in the media, and more and more people are waking up to the TRUTH of what's going on, and we're not being labled "conspiracy theorists" by anyone but the crooks anymore

Floridiot #39: I tried the experiment and it is weird. How do people find these quirks?

Ram, I don't know, but that is one strange glitch
maybe its the universal link to access all the voting machines ? oooooo-weeeee-oooooo

Another one bites the dust
Another one's gone
Another one's gone
Another one bites the dust:

Safavian was convicted on four of five felony counts of lying and obstruction

I don't know if I posted this, but go to waynemadsenreport.com and he lists the skyrocketting cases of identity theft, and makes the case that the Bush administration is populating a database on all of our personal information with it. He lists the recent cases of ID theft of databases, laptops, etc... and it IS skyrocketting lately. When you put it in the context of Bush lying about the NSA spying, it's believable.

"June 20, 2006 --- The spate of physical theft of personal data on computer storage devices continues at an alarming rate. WMR has previously reported that most of these thefts are not coincidental but are part of a coordinated and unprecedented effort by U.S. intelligence agencies to obtain personal data to populate Total Information Awareness surveillance databases. The latest theft was that of a flash memory drive at the University of Kentucky containing personal information on 6500 current and former University of Kentucky students. The theft occurred on May 26 but was recently made public by university officials. The chart in the June 17 article has been updated to reflect this most recent theft report.

From hard drives and laptops to data tapes and flash memory drives, personal data is being stolen on a virtual daily basis."

They hack into democracy with e-vote machines, they lied about spying on us...you've GOT TO at least entertain the idea that all these thefts of ID databases, especially from corporate America (who voluntarily supplied the Bush admin. with our call data) are corporate America being complicit in our "government" populating a database with everyone's personal information.

Dredd, you might try just posting the URLs inline (for those with ? in them).. I had one that wouldn't href in a tag, but turned into a shortened link automagically once posted as plain text.. Worth a shot..

caapnpdlieesd

Now, that's DEEEEEEEP cover, and deserving of 69 for it's constant swirlling into it's self for obfuscation.. or something.. yeah, that's it!

Floridiot #39

I tried it at home on my 98se box and it displayed properly.
I now tried it on an XP box and got the strange result.
I then changed the extension to .doc and reopened it. It asked for a conversion with Unicode as the default.
The unicode result was: 畂桳栠摩琠敨映捡獴

Even stranger!

Don't Trust the "Sweet little old lady or little old man " at the polling place they have an ax to grind and are often republicans. I remember in years past those S.o .b .'s alway's wanted to check that my balot was placed correctly in the envelope. . . . .

Will the NSA stop opening my FUCKING MAIL . . .

(just "food for thought" from big dan)

"" June 19, 2006 --- No sooner had we written the article on a coordinated effort by a covert U.S. intelligence operation to steal large amounts of personal data to populate Total Information Surveillance databases, came word that yet another laptop with personal data was stolen from the home of an ING Bank employee in Washington, DC. The laptop contained personal data, including financial information and Social Security Numbers, on 13,000 current and retired DC employees who participate in the DCPlus retirement plan.

It was also reported that in Dec. 2005, two ING laptops were stolen that contained personal data on 8500 Florida hospital employees. The physical theft of personal data is now approaching a virtual epidemic and is unprecedented in the history of the computer security practice, which dates back to the early 1970s. We have updated out chart (below) to reflect these most recent data theft reports. ""

OK, when you see it listed, does this bother anyone??? This is well in to the millions. Even if it's not associated with the Bush admin, it's still a huge problem. What's going on????????

"""""
Target Date Number of persons affected Type of data Method
ING Bank June 2006 13,000 SSNs, financial data Physical theft
Denver Election Commission June 2006 150,000 Voter's records Physical theft
Oregon Dept. of Revenue June 2006 2,200 Tax records Trojan horse
Union Pacific Railroad June 2006 30,000 SSNs, DOBs Physical theft
KDDI Telco, Japan June 2006 4,000,000 Phone numbers, DOBs Leaked
Minnesota State Auditor June 2006 493 state employees SSNs, DOBs Physical theft
Humana Medicare Program June 2006 17,000 SSNs, DOBs,Medical info Poss. compromise
Hanford Nuclear Reservation June 2006 4,000 SSNs, DOBs Physical theft
Royal Ahold (Giant, Tops, Stop & Shop supermarkets)
June 2006 Unknown number SSNs, DOBs Physical theft
Buckeye Community Health Plan (Ohio) June 2006 72,000 SSNs, medical data Physical theft
Internal Revenue Service June 2006 291 IRS employees SSNs, fingerprints, DOBs Physical theft
YMCA Rhode Island May 2006 65,000 SSNs, DOBs Physical theft
University of Delaware May 2006 1,076 SSNs, DOBs Hacking
Sacred Heart University May 2006 unknown SSNs, DOBs Hacking
Mercantile Potomac Bank May 2006 48,000 SSNs, account data Physical theft
Florida International University May 2006 thousands SSNs, DOBs Hacking
University of Kentucky May 2006 6,500 SSNs, DOBs Physical theft
Miami University of Ohio May 2006 851 SSNs, DOBs Loss of hardware
American Institute of CPAs May 2006 330,000 SSNs, DOBs Loss of hardware
Texas Guaranteed Student Loan Corp. May 2006 1,300,000 SSNs, DOBs Loss of hardware
University of Ohio Hudson Health Center
May 2006 60,000 SSNs, medical data Hacking
Humana Medicare Program May 2006 250 Medicare applicants Paper applications Physical theft
Wells Fargo Bank May 2006 unknown SSNs, account data Physical theft
Dept. of Veterans Affairs May 2006 28,700,000 SSNs, medical information Physical theft
Columbus Bank & Trust May 2006 2,000 Credit card data Physical theft
University of Ohio Apr 2006 137,000 SSNs, DOBs Hacking
Purdue Engineering School Apr 2006 1,351 SSNs, DOBs Hacking
Department of Defense Apr 2006 14,000 SSNs, DOBs Hacking
Aetna Apr 2006 38,000 SSNs, other data Physical theft
Morgan Stanley, Clydesdale Bank (UK), Master Card
Apr 2006 2,000 Credit card data Hacking
University of Texas McCombs Business School
Apr 2006 197,000 SSNs, DOBs Hacking
Fraser Health Authority, Br. Columbia
Apr 2006 thousands SINs, DOBs Physical theft
University of Alaska Fairbanks Apr 2006 38,941 SSNs, DOBs Hacking
Ohio Secretary of State Apr 2006 7,700,000 voters SSNs "Leak" on CDs
Iron Mountain, Inc. Apr 2006 17,000 Long Island Railroad employees and retirees, Bronx VA Hospital SSNs, other data Physical theft
American Red Cross Mar 2006 8,000 SSNs, DOBs Physical theft
American International Group (AIG)
Mar 2006 930,000 SSNs, medical information Physical theft
U.S. Marine Corps Mar 2006 207,000 SSNs, DOBs Physical theft
Georgia Technology Authority Mar 2006 570,000 SSNs, DOBs Hacking
Vermont State Colleges Mar 2006 14,000 SSNs, credit data Physical theft
Verizon Mar 2006 significant number SSNs, other data Physical theft
Hewlett-Packard/Fidelity Investments
Mar 2006 196,000 SSNs, other data Physical theft
Ernst & Young Mar 2006 thousands of records on IBM employees SSNs, DOBs Physical theft
Medco Health Solutions Mar 2006 4600 SSNs, DOBs Physical theft
Hotels.com Feb 2006 243,000 Credit card information Physical theft
Choice Point Feb 2006 150,000 Subscriber data Leak
Georgetown University Feb 2006 41,000 elderly DC residents SSNs, DOBs Hacking
Metropolitan College (Denver) Feb 2006 93,000 SSNs, DOBs Physical theft
Olympic Funding Chicago Feb. 2006 unknown SSNs, financial data Physical theft
Ernst & Young Feb. 2006 unknown SSNs, financial data Physical theft
Deloitte & Touche Feb. 2006 9,000 McAfee employees SSNs, financial data Physical theft
PriceWaterhouseCoopers Feb. 2006 4,000 SSNs, health data Physical theft
Mount St. Mary's Hospital (NY) Feb. 2006 unknown SSNs, health data Physical theft
US Department of Agriculture Feb. 2006 350,000 SSNs, DOBs Leak
Providence Home Services Jan. 2006 365,000 SSNs, medical data Physical theft
Ameriprise Financial, Inc. Jan. 2006 226,000 SSNs, financial data Physical theft
People's Bank Jan. 2006 90,000 SSNs, financial data Physical theft
Atlantis Resorts (Bahamas) Jan. 2006 55,000 SSNs, credit data Physical theft
California National Guard Jan. 2006 hundreds of Guardsmen SSNs, other data Physical theft
University of Washington Medical Ctr.
Jan. 2006 1,600 SSNs, medical data Physical theft
Marriott Dec. 2005 206,000 SSNs, credit data Physical theft
Ford Motors
Dec. 2005 70,000 SSNs, DOBs Physical theft
LaSalle Bank/ABN Amro Mortgage
Dec.2005 2,000,000 SSNs, financial data Lost/recovered
First Trust Bank Dec.2005 thousands SSNs, financial data Physical theft
ING Bank Dec. 2005 8,500 SSNs, financial data Physical theft
TransUnion Nov. 2005 3,623 credit data Physical theft
Safeway Nov. 2005 1,400 SSNs, DOBs Physical theft
Keck School of Medicine (USC) Nov. 2005 50,000 SSNs, DOBs Physical theft
Univ. of Tennessee Medical Center Oct. 2005 3,800 SSNs, medical data Physical theft
Wilcox Memorial Hospital Oct. 2005 130,000 SSNs, DOBs Physical theft
National Nuclear Safety Administration Sep 2005 1,500 SSNs, DOBs Hacking
Children's Health Council (Palo Alto) Sep. 2005 6,000 SSNs, medical data Physical theft
North Fork Bank Sep. 2005 9,000 SSNs, financial data Physical theft
Kent State University Sep. 2005 100,000 SSNs, DOBs Physical theft
J. P Morgan Chase Aug.2005 unknown SSNs, financial data Physical theft
Arizona Biodyne (Blue Cross/Blue Shield) Jul 2005 57,000 SSNs, medical data Physical theft
City National Bank (LA) Jul 2005 unknown SSNs, financial data Physical theft
Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. Jun 2005 6,000 SSNs, DOBs Physical theft
Motorola Jun 2005 unknown financial, call data Physical theft
U.S. Department of Justice/Omega Travel Jun 2005 80,000 travel, credit data Physical theft
Cleveland State University Jun 2005 44,000 SSNs, DOBs Physical theft
California Dept. of Health Services May 2005 21,600 SSNs, medical data Physical theft
Colorado State Health Department May 2005 1,600 families SSNs, medical data Physical theft
Lexis-Nexis May 2005 310,000 Phone records Hacking
Bank of America, Wachovia, Commerce Bancorp, PNC Bank NA
May 2005 676,000 Bank account information Hacking
Valdosta State May 2005 40,000 SSNs, DOBs Hacking
MCI April 2005 16,500 SSNs, employment data Physical theft
Georgia Southern Univ. April 2005 thousands SSNs, credit card Hacking
San Jose Medical Group April 2005 185,000 SSNs, medical data Physical theft
Iron Mountain, Inc. Mar 2005 600,000 Time Warner employees SSNs, financial data Physical theft
University of California, Berkeley Mar 2005 100,000 SSNs, DOBs Physical theft
Ameritrade Feb. 2005 200,000 SSNs, financial data Physical theft
Bank of America Feb. 2005 1,200,000 Federal employees SSNs, credit data Physical theft

Amid all the above personal data thefts, WMR has learned from a U.S. intelligence source that these data thefts pale in comparison to the largest, and as yet, largely unreported, personal data theft in history. Some 30 million Americans were affected and they included customers of Citigroup, Bank of America, and SunTrust. The thefts were conducted between March and April of this year. """""

Testing Dredd's comment that ?'s could not be used in URL's.

This is the URL to this page:

https://bradblog.com/?p=2982

And this is also the same URL as a text link.

Which of them worked? We'll find out (and will fix the problem, if there is one, now that someone's reported it!)

Both worked for me.

Well, both links seem to have worked, Dredd. Email me with more specifics if you could! Thanks!

I hate when my letter's have been gone through then half assed sealed with "NO POSTAL MISSHAP STAMP" Don't be so Fucking sloppy nsa someone may think you screwed up on misssing 9/11.

This is one neat thread! Hi, all!!

Thank you, Brad, for holding on to this issue like a bulldog (pit bull?) and not letting go. Maybe we're getting somewhere.

! ! ! ! ! Danger Will Robinson ! ! ! Danger Will Robinson ! ! ! ! !

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Brad #85

I posted 4 URL's with ? in them. I first put them in the edit box, and doing so hosed everything badly.

So I emailed those 4 to you.

I am mentioning it to help the blog, not to criticize.

Brad, are you supposed to see the html link in the preview window when you post a link?

Should we back up Truthout?

As you know, Mr. Leopold of truthout published an article that Rove had been indicted. He says his sources were feds inside the admin.

Rove is said to not be indicted.

Truth out is sticking to the story and indicating that some Nixonian machinations may be at the bottom of it:

http://forum.truthout.or...ory/2006/6/19/185947/499

Read the article, and see if anyone has some ideas how we can help clear it up. I certainly know more than to say this republican dictatorship would not do something like that, and so if they need help shouldn't we lend support somehow?

Hi Peg C!!!

I've been following the TO Rove Indictment matter. I am totally behind them and fully belive Rove will be indicted but I have one question for any lawyers out there. Is it possible for Fitz to not be made aware of the contents of the sealed v. sealed indictment - other than perhaps that one was filed? Fitz's statements about not anticipating any charges unless something new comes up would fit if the process of the sealed v. sealed means not even he get's to know what's in it.

Dredd, I don't know that anyone -can- back him up.. That is, we don't have access to the people he did.. we don't know what he was told.. we only have his word to go on. In that, we can't justifiably say "what he's saying is true", we can only say "would it require a conspiracy to clear Rove if he was going to be indicted before? sure.. but this wouldn't be the first time this Admin was lying to the public, or manipulating things behind the scenes. Therefore, we have no reason (as of yet) to doubt TruthOut's statements"..

Basically, he's on his own in his defense of his "sources". And from what I gather, if/when those sources turn out to have been misleading, he will out them in a heartbeat.. until then, he'll stick to his guns (rightly so) and profess that "inside sources told him"...

Personally, I don't see how you don't indict Rove and Cheney, from all the implications that have been in the press. When that much info is out there, normally, someone swings. I find it telling that Hogan was the judge "talked with", then all of a sudden, "nothing to see here folks, move along".. I mean, isn't Hogan the guy involved in a lot of the White House cases, seemingly running interference for them? Perhaps he told Fitzy straight out (behind closed doors, and off the record, of course) "nope, not gonna bring Rove up on charges, not now, not ever. Deal with it.. Oh, and I'm gaging you on this matter.. talk and I'll put you in prison for 50 years on violating the National Secrets Act"..

It's a mess, to be sure. And one that we'll not get to the bottom of as long as the corrupt Republicans are in control of the comittees in D.C. (and perhaps not even when they are gone and "business as usual" Dems are in control).

Please, Brad, post this widely!

This coming Monday June 26th, Pierce County Auditor Pat McCarthy will be speaking to the 27th District Democrats regarding the recently purchased electronic voting machines. I would like everyone in our area who understands the issue to come to the meeting (7 PM at the Downtown Public Library in Tacoma)armed with the Bobby Kennedy article and any other information that will help her understand the issue. Democrats have to take a stand against the use of these for-profit, unverifiable election machines. If just ten people come with this information, we may be able to stop the implementation of these vote-killing corporate juggernauts on our elections process.

Democrats unite!

Where: Downtown Public Library meeting room
When: 7 PM

Go to http://tahomaactivist.blogspot.com for more information!

big dan #82

That's one heck of a list! Damn!

Miss P #94

You asked:

I have one question ... Is it possible for Fitz to not be made aware of the contents of the sealed v. sealed indictment - other than perhaps that one was filed?

It is possible, but not likely.

It would take a well informed grand jury to know their rights. One grand jury back in the day ended up indicting the prosecutor!!

But that was back in the day. The judges and legislators of our country have been watering down the power of the grand jury, and I would be surprised if any grand jury these days would become bold enough to take on a prosecutor and/or judge.

All that being said, it is certain that unnatural and non-normal machinations have taken place.

I said a good six months ago that Rove would not be indicted because Fitz had been compromised with an offer he could not refuse.

But perhaps the grand jury wanted an indictment period, no matter what Fitz indicated. That is a more likely scenario.

Under the federal rules these days, under normal proceedings, the prosecutor has to sign the indictment, and he may have refused to.

In that case we could have a sealed, unsigned indictment, which Fitz refused to sign because he had been compromised.

If that is the case then the grand jurors are now being intimidated and action is taking place to shut them down. We shall see if they hold the fort if that is the case.

Remember, the powers that be said there would be no indictment of Rove "at this time".

Things are getting curiouser and curiouser, and I think the story should be kept alive if at all possible.

It is possible that Truthout is correct, but also, like Savantster at post #95 says, many things could be happening.

Miss P #94

I saw this article the other day from our friend CitizenSpook refering to a "runaway grand jury"

From this definition it looks like it is possible for the jury to keep the prosecuter out of the loop.

As a follow up to my post #54, I found a piece that says Dubai now controls 22 US Ports (link here).

So what happened to all the anger and outrage?

They control 22 American ports and 9 military factories ... and the MSM is snoozing on this now?

Brad is, quite rightly I think, putting all his personal energy and the energy of this blog into the issue of ELECTION REFORM.

While I don't devalue the importance of other issues like 9/11, Rove, Fitzgerald, Cheney, Impeachment, Abramoff, Dubai, NSA, Darfur, Corruption, Lying, Theft, etc. I just think they should be dealt with at different blogs.

I love the fact that if there is an ELECTION issue, I know right where to go --- here! For other Republican scandals and crimes, there is RawStory, BuzzFlash, Truthout, INNworldreport, freepress (also great for Ohio election news), and so many others.

Let's keep discussion here at bradblog to what we can do to have honest elections.

IMHO.

Charlie L
Portland, OR

OK, so, then, Fitz could release himself temporarily (by not signing the indictment which then gets automatically sealed) so that other information within the indictment (which may implicate other higher ups) would not have to be publicized and possibly compromise getting the next guy under investigation? Cold, warm, hot?

Charlie L. While I agree that the main thrust of The Brad Blog should be election reform, when it is solid election reform, it gets too dry, technical, abstruse, monotonous for even the most avid proponents of settling this issue. There has to be other stuff to keep the troops from being so bogged down in it they can't move, and to help interest more troops. We have to be able to have a little fun, blow off steam about the range of things bothering us, find out about stuff not given air in the rest of the media. Something you might be forgetting is that a LOT of web users very quickly tire of batting all over hell and gone, narrow their visits to a few choice sites, and feel better about it because it mitigates the worry that they are exposing themselves to a lot of complete bunk that is being put forth as fact.

I think Brad recognizes this. See his apology for keeping the focus so narrow lately, and witness this open thread for us to communicate about other things. Most of us are deadly serious about election reform, but BURN OUT is a huge risk, more likely with this kind of subject matter, and will produce casualties in the clinch.

Miss P #102

Hopefully Red Hot!

Charlie L #101

I agree with Agent99 in that we all need a distraction from time to time. This is an open thread were everyone can throw out anything on their mind and even bring in humor.

I first came to Bradblog within weeks of the 2004 elections. At one point I totaly burned out on all the discussions and only checked in rarely. I stop posting comments and went on with life.

I don't recall what thread it was that brought me back to the fold, but now that I'm back I enjoy the camaraderie here which I haven't been able to find at other blogs. Many of the commentors have been here since I first came and we like to share other thoughts as well. We look forward to these open threads in order to stay on topic on the others. It's kind of like Brad is letting us out to recess.

Yes - election reform is the main topic and cause here,
but can you survive on a steady diet of one food?

Charlie L #101

The Charlie L blog can be whatever you bloody well want it to be, but fuck off in deciding what the brad blog "should" be, (mores based on a stilted vision?), and get out of our collective face.

I have never seen Brad "put all his personal energy" into any issue over time.

Speak to the issues like we bloggers do, and leave it at that.

The blogger in chief decides what this friggin blog should or should not do, and we bloggers will decide to stay here or not.

He is liberal me thinks, like all venerable rebels with a cause, hence, many aficionados there be who get it dude.

So conform my brotha ... and get out of "just Oregon" ... or what will become of you?

If you keep your discussion to "honest elections" you will have very little, if anything, to talk about. They are hard to find these daze my brotha ...

The list of Senators who do not want an investigation into government contracts relating to the IRAQ INVASION AND OCCUPATION goes this way:

Senators voting "yea" (we should find out why trillions of American taxpayer dollars are "unaccounted for"):

Akaka (D-HI), ,Baucus (D-MT), ,Bayh (D-IN), ,Biden (D-DE), ,Bingaman (D-NM), ,Boxer (D-CA), ,Byrd (D-WV), ,Cantwell (D-WA), ,Carper (D-DE), ,Chafee (R-RI), ,Clinton (D-NY), ,Conrad (D-ND), ,Dayton (D-MN), ,Dodd (D-CT), ,Dorgan (D-ND), ,Durbin (D-IL), ,Feingold (D-WI), ,Feinstein (D-CA), ,Harkin (D-IA), ,Inouye (D-HI), ,Johnson (D-SD), ,Kennedy (D-MA), ,Kerry (D-MA), ,Kohl (D-WI), ,Landrieu (D-LA), ,Lautenberg (D-NJ), ,Leahy (D-VT), ,Levin (D-MI), ,Lieberman (D-CT), ,Lincoln (D-AR), ,Menendez (D-NJ), ,Mikulski (D-MD), ,Murray (D-WA), ,Nelson (D-FL), ,Nelson (D-NE), ,Obama (D-IL), ,Pryor (D-AR), ,Reed (D-RI), ,Reid (D-NV), ,Salazar (D-CO), ,Sarbanes (D-MD), ,Schumer (D-NY), ,Stabenow (D-MI), ,Wyden (D-OR), , or in other words democrats.

Senators voting "nea" (trust us, we should NOT find out why trillions of American taxpayer dollars are "unaccounted for", because only felons would steal):

Alexander (R-TN), Allard (R-CO), Allen (R-VA), Bennett (R-UT), Bond (R-MO), Brownback (R-KS), Bunning (R-KY), Burns (R-MT), Burr (R-NC), Chambliss (R-GA), Coburn (R-OK), Cochran (R-MS), Coleman (R-MN), Collins (R-ME), Cornyn (R-TX), Craig (R-ID), Crapo (R-ID), DeMint (R-SC), DeWine (R-OH), Dole (R-NC), Ensign (R-NV), Enzi (R-WY), Frist (R-TN), Graham (R-SC), Grassley (R-IA), Gregg (R-NH), Hagel (R-NE), Hatch (R-UT), Hutchison (R-TX), Inhofe (R-OK), Isakson (R-GA), Kyl (R-AZ), Lott (R-MS), Lugar (R-IN), Martinez (R-FL), McCain (R-AZ), McConnell (R-KY), Murkowski (R-AK), Roberts (R-KS), Santorum (R-PA), Sessions (R-AL), Smith (R-OR), Snowe (R-ME), Specter (R-PA), Stevens (R-AK), Sununu (R-NH), Talent (R-MO), Thomas (R-WY), Thune (R-SD), Vitter (R-LA), Voinovich (R-OH), Warner (R-VA).

Seems logical to me that the republican dictatorship would not want any inquiry. Been that way a long time my American brothers.

So investigate until you drop!!!!

Dredd,

Lou Dobbs reported on the Dubai ports issue last night, and he was white-hot. "Did they think we wouldn't NOTICE?" he asked quietly and directly into the camera. He has his blind spots (e.g. reporting tonight on the questionable voting machine issue and then segeing directly into a piece on Bilbray's "win" because of his stance on immigration), but I usually watch him. He needs encouragement to cover issues no one else will touch - however inadequately for the most part.

Also --- WHERE IS THE PREVIEW WINDOW?? I haven't seen one in my postings since the first day of the new software. I LIKED IT!!

"segueing"...see why a preview window is badly needed here (hint, hint)?

Really OT...but sort of on-topic...didn't understand these lyrics, I was just a little kid when this song was out from the early 70's. Since this is an open thread, here you go...........

Generals gathered in their masses,
just like witches at black masses.
Evil minds that plot destruction,
sorcerers of death's construction.
In the fields the bodies burning,
as the war machine keeps turning.
Death and hatred to mankind,
poisoning their brainwashed minds.
Oh lord, yeah!

Politicians hide themselves away.
They only started the war.
Why should they go out to fight?
They leave that role to the poor, yeah.

Time will tell on their power minds,
making war just for fun.
Treating people just like pawns in chess,
wait till their judgement day comes, yeah.

Now in darkness world stops turning,
ashes where the bodies burning.
No more War Pigs have the power,
Hand of God has struck the hour.
Day of judgement, God is calling,
on their knees the war pigs crawling.
Begging mercies for their sins,
Satan, laughing, spreads his wings.
Oh lord, yeah!
--Black Sabbath, War Pigs

Peg C #108

Do you not see a preview box directly below the panel in which you write your comment and above the code number thingy? It is automatic - it appears as soon as you type something. No button to push or time to wait.

If you don't see it you may want to email Brad and give him your operating system and the browser you use. There may be a glitch (don't ya just love that word) in the new software specific to your system.

Big Dan #110

Are you saying you still don't understand, or that you have since had an epiphany?

I had an epiphany.

Go, Murtha! From Pa., just like me!

I can't wait until Casey crushes Santorum...unless DIEBOLD & ES&S say otherwise. Casey has led all polls consistenly by double-digits.

He's five foot-two, and he's six feet-four,
He fights with missiles and with spears.
He's all of thirty-one, and he's only seventeen,
Been a soldier for a thousand years.

He'a a Catholic, a Hindu, an Atheist, a Jain,
A Buddhist and a Baptist and a Jew.
And he knows he shouldn't kill,
And he knows he always will,
Kill you for me my friend and me for you.

And he's fighting for Canada,
He's fighting for France,
He's fighting for the USA,
And he's fighting for the Russians,
And he's fighting for Japan,
And he thinks we'll put an end to war this way.

And he's fighting for Democracy,
He's fighting for the Reds,
He says it's for the peace of all.
He's the one who must decide,
Who's to live and who's to die,
And he never sees the writing on the wall.

But without him,
How would Hitler have condemned him at Dachau?
Without him Caesar would have stood alone,
He's the one who gives his body
As a weapon of the war,
And without him all this killing can't go on.

He's the Universal Soldier and he really is to blame,
His orders come from far away no more,
They come from here and there and you and me,
And brothers can't you see,
This is not the way we put the end to war.

Universal Soldier - 1965 - Donovan

Dredd #107

All those (D-)s and (R-)s start to look like one of those pictures where something else appears after you stare out of focus at it for a while - still trying to figure out what it is though!

It's not that Gannon/Guckert/Coulter thing is it?

sinsanity: I read your piece and there is NO link to 9/11 to the objective reader. Getting the MSM to inject it in with the rest of their little hoots about the "nut cases" who keep insisting on the truth ONLY strengthens the hooting.

There is the remote possibility that there was something there that you abjectly failed to convey, but stop this whining about my huffiness. I do NOT want to be huffy with you, but you really do need to step back, dust yourself off, and either do a better job making your point or stop trying to inject it where it's just hijacking people's trains of thought, or nobody will take you seriously, and, as I have said, feel still less inclined to take the 9/11 Truth Movement seriously.

There is not more than one Agent 99 here.

Please. Consider my words.

Oh, what the hell...
As long as we're putting song lyrics out here, here's one of mine off Delicious Blues Stew's album, 2STEW, released in '01. The author's remarks from our website follow the lyrics. To hear some of it (or to order the rekkid!), see our site:

www.deliciousbluesstew.com

"STAR SPANGLED LADY"
BY SHANNON WILLIFORD & JOE HUNTER

Come on my dear; you know I can't bear to leave ya here
Do me one favor this time; and come on walk outside

He was our only child, like his dad he grew up wild
Military man moving from place to place; give him his space

'Cause our Billy he ain't gonna call
It's been twenty years this fall
you know war is hell; I hurt I ache to get you well

You were my Star-Spangled Lady
Black eyed beauty smiles proud to see
Gave your men to your country maybe
Strength for free - Bill and me

We used to talk and laugh (my memories of our other half)
Uniform ends our Viet Nam war with steel-eyed knock at the door

You sit and stare out the window; conversations you don't start
Curls of smoke round your head, years of tears in your heart

But our Billy, he ain't gonna call
It's been twenty-five years this fall
you know war is hell
I hurt I ache to get you well

'Cause you were my Star-Spangled Lady
Dark-eyed beauty shines bright to see
Gave your men to your country maybe
Strength for free; Bill and me

I'm back from the store; out of smokes gotcha some more
It's been a long lonely life; still I'm proud you're my wife

But our Billy, he ain't gonna call
It's been thirty years this fall
you know war is hell
I hurt I ache to get you well

Writer’s Notes: Star-Spangled Lady

This tune is based on a true story. My dad had a neighbor, a WWII vet, that talked about his wife when he and my dad would get together, but she never was around. He later explained that she was sitting by the phone waiting for a call from her boy who had disappeared many years earlier in Viet Nam.
I fictionalized a story from that. We did it as a Petty-like story in Eyewitness Blues, and I did a Nashville guitar and harp demo with Goose that led to the Stew deciding to record it. Interestingly, we rarely perform it live, as it doesn’t really fit our up-tempo party mode. We do most of the time at The Bluebird here in Nashville on songwriter nights. It seems to reach people in that environment...
We recorded the tune in early 2000. I later learned how to play it on guitar, to play what I’d always heard in my head but never been able to completely get from a guitarist, probably because it was too simple. I was bummed that we’d recorded it already, before I had grabbed the “correct” way to play it. But, not wanting to slow down the album project or make waves with the band, I decided to deal with the song as is at the final mix listening session. I was not gonna bitch or insist on re-cutting.
As I heard the final version, I was moved to tears. Producer Jerrod Kring had taken the song and made it heart-breakingly beautiful to my ears. The moody piano Goose plays, Picnic’s soaring, aching slide, Patio’s harmony; what a fine combination of performances Jarrod put together. And I have to thank him and Patio for insisting we re-cut the vocal.
I don’t know if anyone else will ever care for the song, but to me, it’s a beautiful piece of collaborative musical art.

SHW

Yeah, what is it good for?

And, it will not be televised. It will be live.

121.0 thats a REAL blast from the past . . . . . Classic. . .

116 - Correction - "Universal Soldier" written and recorded by Canadian singer-songwriter Buffy Sainte-Marie. The song was originally released on Sainte-Marie's debut album It's My Way! in 1964.

Agent99 #118

There are many very competent, very intellectual, and very honest people who think that the 9/11 Commission Report is wrong, and possibly even a cover up.

Their numbers are increasing daily, and when Zogby did a poll, it was shocking. It seems that the general public is not buying the government story.

These folks even call themselves scholars for 911 truth. So whether or not one agrees with their argument, the fair minded individual recognizes that this is a substantial movement that has some major players within it.

PS: Who is "sinsanity"?

Dredd #107

Very interesting! Glad you posted that! I'm always glad to see that there is a BIG difference between the parties, and that's one heck of an important vote.

One thing about that issue though. I happened to catch a press conference with Democratic congressmen Jim Moran and Jack Murtha where they took questions from the audience.

A young girl took the mike and brought up the fact that Rumsfeld had admitted to the military losing over TWO TRILLION (YES TRILLION) dollars. He brought it up the day after 9/11.

Murtha said he thought that was an exageration, but Moran was VERY uncomfortable, and said he thought it couldn't be true. The girl kept insisting she saw it on the CBS News. I looked it up, and she was right!

I'm excited that Kennedy said he wasn't going to divulge who they were going to litagate against yet. Let all of them lose sleep for a while!

Larry Bergan #125

I got the info from a Raw Story article. Evidently they had done the same thing a week ago.

For some reason the republican dictatorship does not want anyone to worry about where the money is going. After all, everything from voting to spying is becoming faith based (link here).

For Agent 99 and Dredd: The 9/11 business reminds me so much of J.F.K.'s assassination. The official story doesn't wash, but there are so many tangents extending in different directions that it's hard to know which one to pursue to find the truth.

Zapruder film shows J.F.K. being hit by a shot from a 2 o'clock position (grassy knoll area), Tower # 7 collapses without being struck by anything.

Mohammed Atta seen on Jack Abramoff's yacht just before 9/11, Jack Ruby seen inside Dallas P.D. during Oswald's questioning.

Suicide bombers trained in U.S., Oswald given security clearance even after deserting U.S. for Soviet Union.

Warnings about 9/11, and J.F.K. murder, were ignored.

J.F.K. autopsy conflicts with findings by doctors and nurses at Parkland Hospital, forensic evidence in New York and Washington conflicts with official 9/11 story.

It's easier to know you're not getting the truth than knowing exactly what the truth is.

RE post #124

I failed to provide a link to the Zogby poll. The pollster states:

... half (49.3%) of New York City residents and 41% of New York citizens overall say that some of our leaders "knew in advance that attacks were planned on or around September 11, 2001, and that they consciously failed to act"

(bold added) link: http://zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=855

To me that is an astounding percentage. Preznit blush has said these are wild conspiracy theories. Which shows how out of touch he is.

For Dredd et al.: The Leopold story in Truthout is now being debunked as a figment of Leopold's imagination. He does have a history of exaggeration and even inventing stories, as well as for honest journalism.

If there were a sealed indictment, and/or if the grand jury were planning to indict Rove over Fitzgerald's head (which they are allowed to do), I can't believe Fitz would have failed to contradict Rove's lawyer, who said he'd received a letter that Rove won't be indicted. Rove must be in the clear. But Truthout is sticking to its guns, which is very strange...they're forfeiting all their credibility, it seems to me.

Valerie Plame is planning to sue Rove separately. It's possible Fitz' silence is an effort to not prejudice that case. If he said, "Rove committted no crime," it could hurt Plame's civil action. By saying nothing publicly, Fitz is saying in effect, "We couldn't prove a criminal case in court, but there remains plenty of evidence that Rove did compromise Plame's status."

Atta on Abramoff's yaught???

I missed that one Mr. Mills. Please explain...

shw

And a thanks to all y'all who post on this open thread. It's cool to see y'all's various inputs into the bloggery. I feel that every person here is a patriot - a person who cares about our country and is willing to help find answers. Even the trolls may be misguided pats.
Anyway, cheers to Brad and to y'all!

shw

The most unbelievable story of the year!

But you will have to believe it!

http://www.dreamslaughte...entient/parasentient.htm

Today, there's a poll out in Pa. Santorum approval rating 36%; disapproval 55%. So, Santorum 51%-Casey 49%??? Schmidt vs. Hackett? Busby vs. Bilbray? Bush vs. Kerry? E-Vote machines vs US???

Also, there was a study done, and 98% of Congress gets re-elected. THAT is why it's so important to steal elections! Because once you're in, you're in unless you're indicted.

There was someone on Jon Stewart who just wrote a book about the 98% re-election of incumbents...and the biggest reason is redistricting (see DeLay). Actually, both parties do it, according to this author. Because the main objective of politicians is to get re-elected...not to serve us.

Well, Shannon, I've read it in at least three separate stories, and nobody has debunked it. Jack Abramoff owned a huge yacht which was used as an offshore casino; two or three days before 9/11 (by the testimony of several witnesses), one of Abramoff's guests onboard was Mohammed Atta.

He might have been there to gamble, sure. But he also might have been in Atlantic City or Las Vegas, where more people go. It's just one of those "loose threads"
that don't prove a thing alone, but fit a pattern of conspiracy.

"Valerie Plame is planning to sue Rove separately. It's possible Fitz' silence is an effort to not prejudice that case. If he said, "Rove committted no crime," it could hurt Plame's civil action. By saying nothing publicly, Fitz is saying in effect, "We couldn't prove a criminal case in court, but there remains plenty of evidence that Rove did compromise Plame's status"

The fact that they were aquitted didn't keep O.J. or Robert Blake from being sued in civil court.

It seems like a weak excuse at best.

Hey Brad

We've got a detached ad banner floating around here!

Senator Chuck Hagel connections to ES&S electronic voting machines,.. his lack of disclosure of involvement and financial holding of same.

Hagel link to ES&S

Electronic voting machines subverting democracy, Link.

Mr. Mills: I read about Atta being on Abramoff's boat a long time ago. I guess that's not big news. Neither is Prof. Steve Jones of BYU, just conducting an experiment and finding thermate in WTC steel samples. Thermate (like thermite) is used in controlled demolition of skyscrapers. No big deal, it's not big news...he only proved controlled demolition at the WTC.

Enjoy - http://www.armchairsubversive.com/

For Bluebear2: I'm just speculating about Fitzgerald's possible motives, not endorsing them. He's been pretty consistent when it comes to not commenting on cases, so I don't think he needs an excuse for remaining silent in the wake of Luskin's claim that Rove was not being indicted. If Luskin were lying, Fitz would have a duty to respond, so I think Rove must be in the clear (from a criminal standpoint only). You're absolutely right that he's not off the hook altogether.

Whether Fitz made the right call is another matter. Rove came back five times to "clarify" earlier testimony; I'd argue that Fitz bent over backward to help him avoid indictment. One Washington lawyer with experience in these matters said, "I'd have indicted Rove for perjury after his first testimony."

The New Robber Baron Era
Krugman points out the real basis for the hyper partisanship in American politics.

Class War Politics
By Paul Krugman

In case you haven't noticed, modern American politics is marked by vicious partisanship, with the great bulk of the viciousness coming from the right. It's clear that the Republican plan for the 2006 election is, once again, to question Democrats' patriotism.

But do Republican leaders truly believe that they are serious about fighting terrorism, while Democrats aren't? When the speaker of the House declares that "we in this Congress must show the same steely resolve as those men and women on United Flight 93," is that really the way he sees himself? (Dennis Hastert, Man of Steel!) Of course not.

So what's our bitter partisan divide really about? In two words: class warfare. That's the lesson of an important new book, "Polarized America: The Dance of Ideology and Unequal Riches," by Nolan McCarty of Princeton University, Keith Poole of the University of California, San Diego, and Howard Rosenthal of New York University.

"Polarized America" is a technical book written for political scientists. But it's essential reading for anyone who wants to understand what's happening to America.

What the book shows, using a sophisticated analysis of Congressional votes and other data, is that for the past century, political polarization and economic inequality have moved hand in hand. Politics during the Gilded Age, an era of huge income gaps, was a nasty business — as nasty as it is today. The era of bipartisanship, which lasted for roughly a generation after World War II, corresponded to the high tide of America's middle class. That high tide began receding in the late 1970's, as middle-class incomes grew slowly at best while incomes at the top soared; and as income gaps widened, a deep partisan divide re-emerged.

Both the decline of partisanship after World War II and its return in recent decades mainly reflected the changing position of the Republican Party on economic issues.

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Before the 1940's, the Republican Party relied financially on the support of a wealthy elite, and most Republican politicians firmly defended that elite's privileges. But the rich became a lot poorer during and after World War II, while the middle class prospered. And many Republicans accommodated themselves to the new situation, accepting the legitimacy and desirability of institutions that helped limit economic inequality, such as a strongly progressive tax system. (The top rate during the Eisenhower years was 91 percent.)

When the elite once again pulled away from the middle class, however, Republicans turned their back on the legacy of Dwight Eisenhower and returned to a focus on the interests of the wealthy. Tax cuts at the top — including repeal of the estate tax — became the party's highest priority.

But if the real source of today's bitter partisanship is a Republican move to the right on economic issues, why have the last three elections been dominated by talk of terrorism, with a bit of religion on the side? Because a party whose economic policies favor a narrow elite needs to focus the public's attention elsewhere. And there's no better way to do that than accusing the other party of being unpatriotic and godless.

Thus in 2004, President Bush basically ran as America's defender against gay married terrorists. He waited until after the election to reveal that what he really wanted to do was privatize Social Security.

Pre-New Deal G.O.P. operatives followed the same strategy. Republican politicians won elections by "waving the bloody shirt" — invoking the memory of the Civil War — long after the G.O.P. had ceased to be the party of Lincoln and become the party of robber barons instead. Al Smith, the 1928 Democratic presidential candidate, was defeated in part by a smear campaign — burning crosses and all — that exploited the heartland's prejudice against Catholics.

So what should we do about all this? I won't offer the Democrats advice right now, except to say that tough talk on national security and affirmations of personal faith won't help: the other side will smear you anyway.

But I would like to offer some advice to my fellow pundits: face reality. There are some commentators who long for the bipartisan days of yore, and flock eagerly to any politician who looks "centrist." But there isn't any center in modern American politics. And the center won't return until we have a new New Deal, and rebuild our middle class.

...and here's where Prof. Steve Jones found thermite in WTC steel samples...

http://portland.indymedi.../en/2006/06/341238.shtml

I haven't figured out yet how to post a link. Duh!

Actually, that worked...scratch that last comment.

No big news there...just that a physics professor proved that WTC 9/11 was an inside job. That's all, nothing big............

Now we know why Bush calmly read "My Pet Goat" as 3,000 perished in the WTC.

Check it out, Every time I try to link it doesn't work so I hope this goes thru.

http://www.youtube.com/w....com/watch?v=AJ7uFA8RwpQ Maybe now,(fingers crossed) and (feeling like a fool)

YES it worked! Patting myself on the back. Yea!

Shit never mind! Patted too soon.

http://youtube.com/watch...mp;search=Vendetta%20911 O.K. dork trying again.

Dredd #124... sinsanity is someone from the next thread that linked to a page about the Chinese character thing in notepad, insisting that it all related to 9/11, that the internet held the answer, something like that. He wanted us to link to something named "parasentiance". I took issue with following a link with such claims AND spelling. Then Bluebear2 said it kinda related to something we (you?) brought up here. So I followed the link, and got huffy about his goofy thesis and he said we could have fun and not get huffy, and I said we were supposed to be having that converstaion on the open thread and moved hear. Bluebear2 helped him figure out how to get here, but I guess he didn't want to. I don't like to be cranky, but 9/11 Truth is no place for people to be going gonzo on us.

Finally

Commentary/rant:

Think of all the rights that are being taken away from us by this administration in the "fight against terrorism." Um, so who really is winning and who really is losing?

BTW, anyone notice how all the former MSM (now BSM) news channels recently and spontaneously (gee) changed from calling the "War in Iraq" to "Al Queda in Iraq"

Mohamed Atta link to Abranoff Sun Cruise gambling boats,... Link Here.

Skroll down past red box to lead story in thread.

Unregulated Florida gambling boats a money laundering operation to bring untraceable funds into rethug/fascists political efforts. Like an endless source of invisible funding injected to activate a political agenda.

Money laundered into the political process

Money laundering into the political process - likely reason Abramoff so interested in Indian Gambling Casino operations. Abramoff/Delay interested in a start up gambling operation in the North Mariana Islands. GAMBLING OPERATIONS - an endless piggy-bank to finance the rethug/fascists political agendas.

RLM #128 --- Ain't that the truth! At least this time the laws of physics are much more in evidence, and point squarely in the direction of the administration... not that it's going to do any more good than the easier to cover up JFK, RFK, MLK assassinations, but, now that I'm an adult, I can at least holler at people who won't look at the unbreakable laws of physics, and those who turn the truth into a circus.

We can have fun. We really need to have fun, but we also have to work to keep our minds up out of this quicksand of cognitive dissonance, lies and un-American, murderous filth. Between the heedless twerps thumbing their noses at us, and the too frightened to look, and the too comfortable to risk it crowds, we really have to keep our eyes on the ball. We really have to work hard.

Dredd: Check #133, he fixed the spelling. He probably didn't fix the content.

Agent 99 (C) # 159

To combat their well greased propaganda machine,.. it will take time,.. energy,.. finances,.. and most crucial of all,.. that people work together in unison
to cut the head off this monster of fascism. Work smart,.. fast,.. and hard - time is racing toward us.

oldturk: Well, I have the time, and finally am getting the energy back. The finances part really sucks, but I have thrown myself to the whim of Brad and RFK, Jr., people who will actually PERFORM for no pay. As for the working together in unison part, I believe it will only come when we see these people "stop doing and perform", to quote an old Zen master. It is happening. Brad is performing. RFK is performing. And others who will perform on their duties as citizens of the United States we grew up in are beginning to join in.

I've said before, the real answer is for a few million of us to go fill up the streets of DC, clear back up into the neighboring states, yelling:

LEAVE!

I meant I wouldn't charge Brad or RFK. Bad sentence structure.

They're protesting * in Austia!

#116
Thanks, JoJ, for posting that Buffy Saint Marie song...it's been going through my mind lately.
#119
Shannon, thanks for sharing your song! I'll have to buy your album.
#133
SinSanity, WOW. That was one TRIPPY ride. Thanks for posting it.

For Agent 99: The laws of physics...that would be another common thread between the J.F.K. assassination and 9/11.

I hope Ronald Wieck isn't reading this, but Newton's laws of motion prohibit a projectile from changing course in mid-air unless and until an outside force(e.g., deflection off a surface, wind, gravity, friction) causes it to do so. The Zapruder film shows J.F.K.'s head being struck at the right front (2 p.m. viewed from the Book Depository) and his brain matter sprayed to the back left (8 p.m., ditto).

The Warren Commission, and everyone else who thinks Oswald acted alone (or wants US to think so), would have us believe Oswald fired that shot. Not possible, unless some force (see above) interfered with the projectile's movement, because Oswald was at 6 p.m. relative to the motorcade at that precise moment (not in dispute). Could gravity, wind, or friction have done this? Surely not. Could a deflection off a surface have done it? Possibly, but no one has alleged this, no doubt because there was no surface anywhere near the limousine.

I don't know the physics of 9/11 as well as you do, certainly not as well as the Brigham Young professor does. But it's downright scary that public figures like Gerald Ford, Arlen Specter, Richard Posner (author), Thomas Mallon (author), and others who say Oswald was a lone assassin can argue against the laws of physics and maintain credibility. If 9/11 heats up as an issue, we can expect it to happen again, because the truth is "too dangerous."

Tom Cruise..."I want the truth!"
Jack Nicholson..."You can't handle the truth!"

Good video, 99. Well...I use the word 'good' loosely. He did his usual bang-up job of misrepresenting his critics. This man needs to have LOSER LIAR LAUGHINGSTOCK tatooed across his forehead. Or maybe MORAN-IN-CHIEF.

MOST EXCELLENT NEWS!

RLM... I sure know the physics of the JFK shooting were against the official line, too, but it was easier to cover because we didn't get to see that film for so long, and because bullet trajectories are so subtle compared to huge buildings dropping into their own footprints at freefall speed before our very eyes.

Joan... At least "LOSER LIAR LAUGHINGSTOCK". I'd prefer, sorry, we just went with a bullseye tattooed there now.

I mean, hundreds of thousands of people are dying behind his policies, trillions of dollars are being stolen, untold numbers of people, even US citizens are being disappeared, held without charges or counsel, TORTURED, the Constitution is his toilet paper, people all over the world hate us because of him.... He has surpassed Saddam in numbers of people whose lives have been ruined or ended on his, and his administration's, account.

If we can't muster the numbers to force him/them physically out of our house, if we can't impeach and frogmarch them out, the truth still is that they MUST be made to leave. Period.

OldTurk: This stuff is scarey, but true. I believe in logic and science. I have no choice but to come to the conclusions I do. Not to come to the conclusion that 9/11 was an inside job, would be to defy logic.

There's no choices here, it's not "faith based", there's not "2 truths", like the MSM does to everything. Do you believe what politicians told us? Or what scientists/professors/engineers say? I thought we always thought politicians were full of shit, right? But, we believe what they told us about 9/11, even though it doesn't make sense? Why?

Big Dan, #171: Some people flat out don't want to think for themselves and will believe whatever the government and MSM tells them. Some people flat out can't and have to believe whatever they're told. Some people are frightened witless to go against the grain. Some people are so jaded they don't give one part of a rat's ass WHAT goes on in the world. Some people are so demoralized by it all that they spend all their time and diminishing mental capacity on procuring the drugs that will blank out the whole problem. THE NEOCONS UNDERSTAND THIS VERY WELL, AND USE IT TO DO WHAT THEY ARE DOING.

That's why.

Big Dan, another answer now at the top of the front page! And, another open thread too.

big dan #145

I had posted that photo at the pentagon video thread. When I found it, that diagonaly cut column stood out like a sore thumb with it's molten slag running down from the cut. Your link provides proof to my theory that it was not any form of structural failure which caused that!

Agent99 #164

Thanks for the Austia link - I found this there also. I about fell out of my chair when near the end he is so proud of the AIDS money he is sending to Africa. (Reference my post #6 this thread!)

It sure is great when the people can protest and voice their opinion freely as they are doing in Austria, with the police helping keep the way clear. Instead of the way it is here with the barricades and "Free speech zones" and rows of cops with shields, guns and tear gas.

I remember an incident at my college which displayed the foibles of an adversary attitude by the police.

There was a demonstration against Mel Laird (Secretary of Defense) and the Vietnam war on the steps of the Gym building. Earlier in the day the demonstration had been at the airport in Wausau when Laird flew in on Air Force 1. An effigy of Laird was to be burned in that protest, but security kept it away, so it was burned in the street in fron of the gym.

The fire department came to put it out and were good natured about it and everyone had fun extinguishing the pieces of paper that flew away when the fire hoses hit it. It was all peacefull and our point was made.

The permit from the university for the demonstration ran until 9:00. At that point the maintenance people shut off the power to the band. Everyone stayed and the band went acoustic. Dancing in the street and all that.

About an hour later this huge truck showed up bearing the "Police Dept" insignia and painted all black and white. No one had ever seen that before!

Out poured about 50 officers with helmits, shields, battons, teargas guns and every sort of aggressive accompaniment.

Almost instantly the mood changed. Hundreds of people came pouring out of the dorms picking up whatever they could throw along the way. It became a big standoff in no time at all.

The organizers of the demonstration went over and talked to the Sheriff and advised him he would soon have a riot on his hands. The 50 or so officers were re-deployed back into the truck and left. Within about another 45 minutes everyone had gone home.

It makes me wonder about the way things were handled in New York at the convention and Seattle at the Free Trade summit.

agent99,

All I am claiming is that I saved a notepad file using the random letters and letters of the alphabet, in the form zzzz zzz zzzz zzzzz, four letters, space, three letters, space, three letters, space, five letters. You close it and then reopen it. Nine zeros appear. I copied those zeros and pasted them into the translator. Here’s the translator I used:

http://perso.orange.fr/gaoling/hanzi/index.htm

The zeros appear in the translator as Chinese characters. I translate those characters and up pops a bunch of words, I wrote the words down and looked at them.

When the words come out:

z - Air; sky; empty; air force; in vain, air defense, low altitude, anti-aircraft defense.

y - A sacrifice at the beginning of a military campaign, cult. Manifest.

x - Rocky hill,

w - Eye; look, see; wide open eyes; to gaze in astonishment, blind; unperceptive, shortsighted, straight, erect, vertical, close eyes, sleep; hibernate, hypnotism; mesmerism, people, subjects, citizens.

v - Fatigued, head sores, chronic disease, chronic illness; sorrow. Legs.

u - Field,

t - Twin gems,

s - Commit crime, violate; criminal,

q - Fire, flame, burn, anger, rage, ashes, dust, lime, to roast, spirit, soul, spiritual world. Sacrificial animal.

p - Small river, gray ash, dust, engineer, physicist, head covered in dust.

I say that's a pretty amazing coincidence to 911.

Others, the other hand may think those words have nothing to do with 911.

That's their opinion, and I respect it.

Here's the whole story:

Click on the 'Go to parasentient' link:

http://www.dreamslaughte...entient/parasentient.htm

911 truthseekers went with this:

http://www.911truthseeke...g/details.php?blog_id=36

Dear Bluebear2, dear: I've only had steady access to the internet for just under a year, but have been hollering about the fascism in America for a long time. I became really popular for it over at HuffPo in its opening months. We have had the tendencies for a long, long time, but now, with this administration, all of the checks on it, not just the governmental ones, have been thrown off. When we were slapping down the Vietnam War, we were hollering about the pernicious corporations, and "the establishment" was spoiling for some good old fashioned police state action, barely held back... scared themselves at Kent State. Now. They are not being held back. They are still being sneaky about it, but you will note that all demonstrations are attended by authorities with video cameras, compiling dossiers on agitators. This is why we have to get the numbers out there to stop it. They can't cope with huge masses of peaceful demonstrators. The only way to stop this outright fascist regime, if we really can't get Congress to do it, is masses in the streets bigger than anyone has ever seen before. It has to come down to the "crowd control" people being so afraid of a riot they will unquestionably lose, or we remain hostage to our fear and their rapine forever. I will throw myself bodily behind furthering the assurance of electoral integrity, help Brad in any way he may ever deem necessary, but if we lose this fight for our democracy, the only remedy will be the streets by the tens of millions. I mean, I don't feature China coming over and improving our lot for us, do you?

Agent 99, Luv your posts. Interesting, good humour and spelling.

"I can at least holler at people who won't look at the unbreakable laws of physics"

Karma is that law, for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.

Just thinking about the inaction. If a force is applied to you and you don't push back or change direction you will just fall over the cliff.(or whatever)

If the earth stops spinning it can no longer keep itself from hurtling towards the sun. It is then consumed because it cannot move.

Of course the earths movement is projectile from an initial push. Maybe the big bang.

Human movement is consious choice. Death will come more quickly if we don't push back at other forces pushing at us.

Hope that one doesn't suck the luster from your life. You may wish to forget it!

Thats just base physics. There's not much joy in life viewed only in its context is there?

Regarding 9/11, there's a third possibility beyond 1) the official verdict that the twin towers collapsed because of heat from the suicide planes and 2) that it was an "inside job" arranged by or acquiesced in by the Bush administration.

The case for deliberate demolition seems strong. But if I were planning something like this, would I depend on the heat from planes to collapse the towers, given that this had never happened before and that the buildings had been built to withstand such an attack? Or would I use the suicide bombers as a cover for a demolition and hope that people would be fooled?

If we put ourselves in the perpetrators' shoes, the second approach is more logical. A cover-up by the administration still makes sense, to the extent that it doesn't have to answer tough questions, like "Who allowed people into the buildings to plant the explosive devices?" and "Was this really al Qaeda, and if so why did we stop looking for Osama bin Laden?"

Building #7 is the wild card here, in that it almost proves the case for a demolition. My hunch is that suicide bombers were supposed to hit that building, too, but something went awry...they chickened out, or maybe failed to hijack the plane in time.

Bluebear2: That diagonal cut column, with steel drips falling from the perfectly angled cut, is proof of an inside job. That photo was taken before anyone had a chance to move out the steel. And, moving out the steel so quickly from a crime scene, is illegal. Guiliani is a former lawyer, and that was no accident that he oversaw the quick removal and melting down of the steel in foreign countries. Guiliani was never question about his highly suspicious actions.

If you believe 9/11 was an inside job, you also have to believe Guiliani was in on it.

And thousands of people who worked cleanup at ground zero are dead or dying, after Bush's EPA head declared it safe.

Big Dan (C) # 82

Here is another to add to your list of compromised
private data,.. Link

I think I might have it figured out. Someone is going one better than the NSA,.. invasive/intrusive collection of private data/info. That someone is Osama,.. here's the ploy. Turn the financial markets of the "free world" upside down. Steal the data to open charge accounts and purchase a Rolls Royce Silver Cloud and and a full dressed Lear Jet with all the bells and whistles,.. and hand out one of each to the 500 million people who reside in the Middle East area.
Then refusing to pay the bill. Can you see Osama,.. in
a cave with a candle and a laptop with the wifi cranked up to the max,.. plotting and ploying to bring ruin to the economic systems of the Godless capitalists. And using this data to create havoc,.. chaos,.. and mayhem,.. with the intent to bring the "free world" to its knees.

Who is stealing this data,.. what do they intend to do with it ? This is beyond teenage computer hackery. WTF
is going on ?

Hey, thanks Sally! I only want them to pay attention to the boring laws of physics when it's crucial to progressing upon this earth as decent and honorable sentient beings... like identifying the culprits of 9/11. The rest of the time I'm way big on defying them, like Jet Li and like in Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon....

RLM: I'd say certain people, and plenty of them, had detailed prior knowledge of a planned attack, and embellished on it instead of preventing it. They planted charges and bombs in all the WTC buildings, and added in the Pentagon MISSILE strike in order to make it look as if we were under attack, as opposed to merely victims of suicide hijackers. The fact that at least half of the so-called hijackers are still alive means, at least, that they also embellished on the size of the "Islamist conspiracy" as well. They didn't count on #7 being so unscathed as to make its collapse look completely bogus.

Big Dan: I don't have any trouble believing Giuliani was in on it. Not a bit.

GWbu$$h and Bill Clinton Looking more and more like philandering blood brothers.

Wayne Madsen Reports :

June 15, 2006 --- Although the major media and the White House spinmeisters have worked overtime to squash the story of marital problems between George W. Bush and Laura Bush over the reported affair between the President and his Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, WMR is continuing to pursue it. We recently learned from a noted Washington socialite that Laura Bush has been seeing an old romantic flame, described as a wealthy businessman from Texas. Mrs. Bush is said to have been comforted by the male friend over the years as she weathered her husband's various extramarital trysts.

Laura's revenge: she's seeing an old flame.

We continue on the story and, unlike the major media, we care as much about Bill and Hillary's marriage issues as we do about those of Millard and Abigail Fillmore.

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Again Wayne Madsen Reports :

June 19, 2006 --- American Media, which owns the tabloids National Enquirer, The Star, and The Globe, and which scooped the mainstream media on Gary Hart's affair with Donna Rice on "Monkey Business II"; Bill Clinton's affair with Gennifer Flowers and salacious details about his relationship with Monica Lewinsky; and Jesse Jackson's illegitimate child has published details of the George W. Bush-Condoleezza Rice relationship and his problems with First Lady Laura Bush in the current, June 26, 2006 issue of The Globe. WMR is quoted in the story.

They got it right about extra-marital affairs of Gary Hart, Bill Clinton, and Jesse Jackson. Now, they have the goods on George W. Bush. There goes Dubya's "5 percent poll bounce." Word from the South: This story ain't playing well among Dubya's white, fundamentalist base, his last bastion of support.

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All this talk of Building #7.

Why no talk about Building #6?

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Agent99

"boring laws of physics"

There was no point intended in my post although it did look that way. Was just waffling and didn't like where I ended up.

185 turk: But the frequency and amount of stolen vital data lately is astounding. Wayne Madsen has a list of it, it's in the millions, and everyday on my way home from work, I hear more was stolen on PBS radio. You see, this bothers people who use their brain god gave them, stuff like that.

To me, Guiliani's worst moment was at the Republican National Convention when he gushed that he looked up at the people jumping out of the World Trade Center and thought, "Thank God George Bush is our president"!

Yeah, Thanks God. (Purple fingers raised in praise of our Lord and Savior George W(ar) Bush)!

Big Dan,..

Thursday 6/22,.. the fed agency,..expected to protect us from identity theft,.. had two laptop computers stolen today. The laptops were stolen from the car of a FTC attorney. Names,..addresses,..SS#,.. pictures of FTC employees compromised.

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I received an email regarding ending the Iraq invasion and occupation debacle. It said:

We ask you to join us now in honoring the strength and leadership of the Senators who stood with you:

Sen. Daniel Akaka (D-HI), Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-CA), Sen. Richard Durbin (D-IL), Sen. Tom Harkin (D-IA), Sen. Daniel Inouye (D-HI), Sen. James Jeffords (I-VT), Sen. Edward Kennedy (D-MA), Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ), Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-VT), Sen. Robert Menendez (D-NJ)Sen. Ron Wyden (D-OR)

These were the ones who supported the Kerry amendment to withdraw during the next year.

There were zero republicans voting for getting out of Iraq evidently because they think it is "going so well".

Big Dan #145

I think it is thermate, not thermite. Thermate is superior to thermite. (I just read your #141 where you say thermate.)

RLM #130

The official statement was no indictment "at this time" and "no comment" to the question "Is the investigation over".

As I posted in other threads, a prosecutor must sign the indictment under the federal rules. If he does not, in apparent disagreement with the Grand Jury, it goes into some further consideration, and would be under seal.

There are very, very strange things happening and titanic struggles behind the scenes. It is the Archibald Cox syndrome all over again.

RE my post #129

Muslim's outside the US have the same general viewpoint as New Yorkers it seems:

In what the Pew Global Attitudes Project called one of the survey's most striking findings, majorities in Egypt, Indonesia, Jordan, and Turkey - Muslims countries with fairly strong ties to the United States - said, for example, that they did not believe that Arabs carried out the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks on New York and Washington

(link here, bold added).

For Dredd: I agree with you that the entire matter of Rove's status is bizarre. There's a missing piece to the puzzle.

Slightly off topic, but this is an open thread: Today's New York Times (the paper that never assigned an investigative reporter to the 2004 election) gave its left-column front page over to a potential scandal that has "21st Century Gilded Age" written all over it. Does this sound anything like the Ray Lemme case (except that the guy is still alive)?

A Securities and Exchange Commission lawyer, Gary J. Aguirre, was investigating possible insider trading by Pequot Fund, based here in Connecticut. Pequot is an unregulated hedge fund, open only to multi-millionaire individuals and institutional investors. It had an uncanny knack for "guessing" when a major corporate takeover was about to take place...18 such guesses in a short period of time. All right on the money.

Aguirre wanted to question John Mack, a politically connected Morgan Stanley executive (and a major contributor to Bush) in connection with these trades; not that Mack was himself suspected of wrongdoing, but Aguirre thought his testimony would be helpful. At this point his bosses told Aguirre to "back off," for unexplained reasons. Aguirre persisted, and was fired.

Eleven days earlier Aguirre had been given a two-step merit pay increase and high praise from his boss for his work on the Pequot case. Then he was fired.

At least Aguirre is still alive. The Senate is looking into it, according to the Times article. Anyone want to place bets on how far the Senate's investigation will go? My bet: Bush has already told Frist to make it look good, but not to let it go anywhere, and not to comment on any "ongoing investigation."

Dredd: Yes it is thermAte...sorry, I thought I wrote thermAte.

More on spying and ID theft: it was revealed the Bush administration has been monitoring bank transactions (without telling us of course), but says "it's only suspicious transactions, possibly linked to Al Queda".

Where have I heard that before? Oh, yeah! When Bush said he wasn't spying on us, then said the NSA is ONLY spying on International calls, then it was revealed he's SPYING ON ALL AMERICANS!!!!!!!!

So, now with the bank transaction spying, first they didn't admit it...then when it was revealed (which is NOW), Bush says it's only highly suspect transactions and only terrorists. Step 3 will be, HE'S MONITORING ALL OF OUR BANK TRANSACTIONS!!!!!!!!!

This story was totally buried in my local paper, about page 15, 1 column. No big deal.

Exactly what will it take, for rightwingers to see that they are being screwed, too??? I don't even believe these rightwingers are for real, I think they're shills, because even lots of conservative Republicans are against Bush. I'd really like to meet these rightwingers who comment on this blog. You'll probably find out they also work for the RNC up in New England.

There is NO WAY these rightwing commenters are just regular people like us! I am soooo convinced of that.

As November rapidly approaches,.. the right-wing
infiltrators/instigators to progressive blogs will
likely increase. Their mindless comments are specifically designed to deflect attention from valid/genuine issues that progressives hope to discuss/address prior to this coming election.

Hampering the ability of the opposition to organize,..
will enhance their ability to maintain the status-quo.
Expect them to dismantle any cohesiveness that the left
attempts to bring to our political equation.

Here, you have it...

The St. Petersburgh Times says "Rove/Satan Plan GOP strategy."

big dan #197

At least it made Page 1 of the Sacramento Bee - opposite the story about the "terrorists" caught in Florida.

They sure are drumming up this "See we're catching all the terrorists and finding all the WMDs" aren't they? Hmm must be an election coming!

BB2 #203 But I thought we were fighting them over there so we wouldn't have to fight them over here? The BS is getting pretty thick, don't ya think?

Hey Joan, #165

Thanks for the thanks.