I was Granny D's webmaster during her Senate campaign in New Hampshire, and I can tell you that woman knows more about freedom than any fifty of us progressive bloggers put together. She is also the sweetest person in the universe.

She was born before women had the right to vote. What more needs to be said about understanding freedom?

~A!

Brad~
Thank you SO MUCH for this post about Granny D. I've been so negative here lately, feeling powerless & wondering what we can possibly do in a practical, concrete way, but her words have touched me deeply. She's an inspiration. Go Granny!!
And thank YOU for this blog & for what you do! I have come to love you & your crazy goddamn exclamation points!!!! LOL!!!

I admit I've drunk a bit of wine tonight, but I am in tears. The time has come.

!!!

:-)

Brad

You're a good man, Brad.

We're gonna be all right.

The fascists "have only succeeded in waking a sleeping giant, and filling him with a terrible resolve."

A mighty dragon who can swim the oceans if they swell.

What a glorious woman!

When we all manage to muster THAT much courage, resolve and energy, there won't be a force in the world that can resist us.

Let's go!!!

Oooooohh.

Rights, freedoms, and dignity are qualities shared, in Nature, with every other life form on this planet.

sigh.

America...her head is bloody but UNFUCKING BOWED!!

Not to cast a pall over the well-deserved accolades expressed here towards Granny D., or over the much-needed lifting of spirits this post provides.....

I highly recommend this link to Laurence W. Britt's "Fascism Anyone?"....the 14 characteristics of fascism are absolutely chilling. #14 on the list is "fraudulent elections".

And you can read it here.

Though not, unfortunately, anything you all don't already know, it behooves us to acquaint & re-acquaint ourselves with the nature of the beast, (imho).

How grateful we are for persons of true character like Granny D., Brad and all of you wonderful people here and on Velvet Revolution. That's character!

You Go Granny!
At last someone in the public whose "values" I can espouse! Thanks all (God thank us every one)

WARNING: This comment contains rude words, please don't read if easily offended.

Granny rocks! Any movement that can count on support of people of such character, wisdom and courage has a good foundation - but we must continue the lay the bricks, for this house cannot be built by a small group of craftsmen and women, as many people as possible should at least know the construction is going on.

The "Fascism Anyone?" link provided by Joan makes for an interesting (and chilling) read. If the definitions provided are accepted and compared to the behaviour of the current incumbents then the USA would count as a fascist nation - if not in full then certainly in intent.

The only actions which I can see having any effect are for people like ourselves to use forums like these (Go Brad, Go Brad, GO BRAD!!!) to keep the pressure on people (ok, arseholes like Blackwell and Feeney, publicly discredit them and remove them from office. If people get the message that Dubya, his buddies and his pop can't protect you no matter what they say then they MIGHT be less likely to do his dirty work.

As a wise man once said: "Fuck 'em all - bar one and he can fuck himself."

Unfortunately the truth of the matter is that without the MSM, it will still be almost impossible to put things right so again these forums should also be used to embarrass them as much as possible. Point out their omissions and mistakes and wherever possible point out blatant butt kiising. If people stop watching the news and buying papers, but rely on blogs for their news then we hit them in the pocket and we all know how much they love that, right?

Even though I am neither a US citizen nor living in the US, I hate to see the monumental work of visionaries and libertarians like Franklin, Jefferson, Paine et al set aside by cynical, self serving corporate whores like dubya and co. I'm spreading the word here in the UK wherever and whenever I can.

Keep the faith people, and remember this latin motto: "Nil illegitimo carborundum" (Rough translation - Never let the barstards grind you down"

Once again, sorry about the language, sometimes I just gotta.

Makes me think of a quote:

I have often asked myself why human beings have any rights at all. I always come to the conclusion that human rights, human freedoms, and human dignity have their deepest roots somewhere outside the perceptible world. These values are as powerful as they are because, under certain circumstances, people accept them without compulsion and are willing to die for them.

--Vaclav Havel

Even though the attempt to establish a Fascist state is well under way, I am not at all convinced it can succeed. The fundamental character of the country is independent, spirited, freedom-loving, etc., and the complete subjugation of the populace would be a monumental struggle. I think we would have to be in extreme distress and poverty to follow the false hope offered by these kinds of dictators.
It's true that the people are drugged and zombified by television, but I think some awakening is occurring.
The more we mobilize and spread our influence, the more we will arouse the natural preference for freedom of choice. That is, if we can actually exercise that choice in forthcoming elections.

Also, the colossal failure in Iraq is hardly the stuff of great military dictatorships.

I am divinely overwhelmed by Granny D. Thank you, Granny D. Thank you, Brad.

Hail to the Thief! Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha...(funny)

God Bless America (and help her change her ways, drastically)

Love ya Granny!

Right on Teresa!

Alexander The Great rode into Babylon on horseback, a barbaric yet heroic conqueror to rule the known world...

George W. Bush rode into Baghdad hidden aboard a plane with blindfolded windows to deliver a fake turkey...

ALL HAIL THE GREAT CHICKENHAWK CHIEF!

LEADER OF THE FREE ENTERPRISE WORLD!

Gobble! Gobble! Gobble!

Teresa -

We ARE all in extreme distress, and poverty will soon follow in Bush's kingdom. Think serfdom; think robber barons, playing in the woods with peasant wenches after slitting their outraged brothers' and fathers' throats. Think great banquets around roaring fires laid by trembling servants while the servants' families shiver unfed in their hovels. Oh...I HATE these guys!!!!!

Read this sermon, posted by Bob Fertik, and quiver some more. It's truly fine, but scary.
http://blog.democrats.com/node/2583/print

And let's go get 'em!

alwaysfree,
they have awoken a sleeping beast and this beast will not be burdened!
We will spread the word, fuel the fire, they won'tget away with taking over thiscountry.
The MEDIA is the all powerful, we must boycott them!

There may be an up-side to the widely predicted economic collapse. A great many Americans mindlessly dissipate their energy and intelligence in shopping and other forms of endless consumer craving. Wide-spread hardship among the middle class will, of course, drive the predisposed into the ranks of the fascists. Most of those people are already there. But I think there are a great many who are deeply uncomfortable with the intent of the fascists, and when they are shaken loose from their consumption-defined moorings, will be driven to positive action. People will follow leadership where they best find it.
The key here is how well WE:
1) Build nascent alternatives
2) Model our ideals in our everyday lives
3) Communicate frequently, clearly, patiently, and confidently with our family, friends, neighbors, co-workers, and officials.
They will come to us.

Yeah, Peg C, I hate 'em too.
But what I hate more is for them to frighten me and steal my joy.
Sometimes I'm scared... any aware person would be. But this is their one shot at building the Neocon utopia, and I think they're blowing it.

I think the end result will be a powerful reform movement in the US. Most people want these progressive things... jobs, health care, a future for their children, etc. Hopefully, soon they will understand that these things are being threatened. I'm not sure that this sickening inaugural excess is going to sit well with them.

The beautiful thing, so far, is how creative the resistance has been. Remember the protests in NYC? The anti-inaugural may just be a blast!

George Soros is putting a lot of money into a resistance movement against this group. He was one of the original Neocons, which makes me think that there is dissent among the ranks, and that we will have a lot of help. Things are just getting started. I am cocked and ready!

I've been wrong many-a-time, and if things take a big downturn I will rethink my positive position. But as of now, I think this is the grain of sand in the oyster, and there might be some poltical good fortune coming our way, albeit, with great struggle.
Our intentions are clear and genuine, and we are not really beaten down yet. It's too soon to tell how bad things will get. Of course, it is important to stay aware. But believing in success is such a large part of it.

Hey, ME! I boycotted the media 30 years ago and have never regretted it. I don't even go to their stupid Hollywood movies.. just Indy films and foreign ones.

I completely agree, ALWAYSFREE. There might be a real re-definition of values. Democrats are always the ones to lead us out of financial difficulty. The shit that the Republicans always lead us into.

It's a Wheel of Fortune.

Much as I hate to say it Teresa, the current bunch of Democrats are just as much a part of the problem as the repugs. As Edmund Burke (correctly) stated "All that is required for evil to flourish is for good men to do nothing." Look at the performance of the vast majority of the Dems on the 6th of Jan - spineless, self serving corporate lap dogs, totally unfit to SERVE THE PEOPLE. When you adopt the morals and principles of your enemy, they win by default.

Step one - get an effective opposition. Let the Democrats know that those senators and congressmen who don't vote in the interests of the people will not be voted for again. Too many of these worms help the repugs and get away with it - time to name and shame!

Step Two - Stop playing the right wing game - don't keep using their language to fight their cause for them! Publicly ask awkward questions and keep on asking them until we get a real answer and not just some ol' BS. When a repug mouths off (anywhere, anytime) correct them as they almost never have real facts on which to base what they consider to be an argument. Thankfully, most of these people play the same tune, so researching their pet rant in advance is usually pretty easy.

Step Three - Shame the MSM into doing their job properly. Real Democracy depends on people making informed decisions, if all they get is the repug propaganda then democracy will remain a dream. The MSM need to be prised away from Karl Rove's fat, ultra necon backside. Some sort of organised boycott may be useful if it could be organised and (just as importantly) publicisied.

Keep the faith, people!

Hi, Da Wookie - Couldn't sleep tonight. Agree with your points, especially Step 2.

Also, found two good articles:

"Bush the King Blows $50m on Coronation"
www.guardian.co.uk/usa/s.../0,12271,1386231,00.html

We should challenge every Dem. and Indep. Sen. and Congress person to NOT attend. What have they to lose? Don't they have something better to do with their time? Like, take the four days off and enjoy their families.

And, "The Normalization of Horror"
www.mparent7777.blog-city.com/read/1002124.htm

If you want to influence and affect, for better or worse, CORPORATE AMERICA,

check out www.buyblue.org

to avoid Corporate Bush supporters, and support Corporate Bush avoiders.

I agree Da Wookie. I've posted many times about my distaste for politicians and both parties.
Some thinkers believe that humankind has never truly had a democracy yet. But judging from the discussions here , I think the seed are planted.

Yeah, Karl Rove is a fucking pasty disgusting Neocon fat-ass!! His adipose tissue is showing!

The more I think about it... Karl Rove...icchh!! blehhgg! puke!!!

I'm thinking about picketing a McD's here in Prague on 20 Jan., and trying to get like-minded people here to join me (they have branches all over the place in this country). It won't be easy, this being a police state and all, but in the long run it owuld be worth getting roughed up. How about pickets in the US on Black Thursday? Any takers?
Peace and love all, We SHALL overcome!

# 18 Teresa, you're so right. While the power mongers have been hiding underground and stealing our freedom piece by piece for years, our vast, educated, and generally decent middle class has been out in the open air, believing in pluralism, rights for all, honesty, representative government, democracy, the rule of law etc. We're the real patriots. The real followers of the Constitution. There are no real cynics among us here, only people bravely and angrily looking at the hard and hideous truth. We EXPECTED freedom. We're the ones who always believed in the good stuff we were taught. And when we held that up against the actions of our government and saw the gap we got angry. We get really huffy about people trying to control us. And now a tiny group of people, is losing it's cover, their intentions are becoming more clear as their behavior becomes more blatant and arrogant. They want to try to take that away from us. Ant wrestles whale! We have the good fortune to be the whale.

I wrote some stuff that could inform folks about the divine law bill via vehicle on the "bullshit" blog #91, if anyone's interested.

Dear Fellow Revolutionaries

Yes, all of you above...couldn't agree more with all your comments!

If you get an opportunity, last night I took some time out to write a new topic in the VR Discussion area called "THE BUSH/CHENEY ENERGY FRAUD"!
If you have some time, please read that relevant information along with my personal ravings, as well as the important contributing commentary from TORQUED.

ELECTION FRAUD and ENERGY FRAUD go hand in hand and it is why our corrupt government must no longer be allowed to exist if it fails to address these two important issues...NOW! You might ask...so what if every car in America can be transitioned to a clean burning water fuel system this year? Or that every home and building in America can create a solar array for all our electric energy needs? Or how we can avoid all the profit-making energy wars they have planned for us in the future? HMMM?

Please read our contributions at VR and make your own, because BUSH/CHENEY threaten your natural existence far more than your democratic one! It's time to spread the word not just about ELECTION FRAUD...but ENERGY FRAUD too! Thanks!

Freebird

PS: Keep up the good work CZARAGORN in Prague and everyone else in Europe! I saw the Czech movie "KOLYA" the other day, about the little boy left with the musician in Prague by the young boys Russian immigrant mother. Enjoyed it! Anyway, our hopes for a better world knows no borders...so welcome to our revolution!

Go Granny D!

And here's a piece of information that might serve to keep our honest efforts afresh, The Washington Post (article by VandeHei and Fletcher), reports today on the top half front page, "Bush Says Election Ratified Iraq Policy."

And here's the drift that'll make your head spin if it wasn't already, "President Bush said the public's decision to reelect him was a ratification of his apporach toward Iraq and that there was no reason to hold any administration officials accountable for mistakes or misjudments in prewar planning or managing the violent aftermath." Bush is quoted as saying, "We had an accountability moment, and that's called the 2004 elections."

Ok, after tossing a few huge cookies, Let's not forget to take a look at the overseas vote. What's their call? Little by little, piece by piece.

Miss P,

It's amazing...isn't it...and yes sickening!

I guess violating international law, war crimes, and crimes against humanity should just be ignored because the people re-elected Adolf Hitler? or George W. Bush? I guess election fraud, suppression, intimidation, and fear should simply be ignored to justify mass murder and intentional crimes that conceal true motivations.

Of course the murdering fascist doesn't want to be held accountable! It's sickening to see on the news tonight people preparing to throw a party for a man who should be thrown in jail. Who plan pomp and ceremony for a man whose only ritual should be held inside a criminal court.

The arrogance is still there and he and his minions are taking aim at social security, the environment, and other wars knowing this may very well be their last opportunity to do their damage for their energy and corporate friends.

So when George DUMBYA Bush thinks he now has been held accountable for Iraq, and the corrupted elections have spoken to approve of his wars, we can expect even more danger on the horizon from whatever other wars and crimes they have been secretly preparing for against Iran, North Korea, or anyone else.

One can only wonder why they are quickly and quietly staffing all the Draft Boards throughout the nation? Why a draft system is being dusted off to be at the ready mark in just a few months! George DUMBYA thinks he has a mandate. Since he doesn't read the papers and only relies on what ticket-holding flag wavers tell him, he has no conception just how shallow his support really is in America.

Let him push the envelope. It will be his downfall. It will be the start of a real revolution that is long overdue.

America's enemies are watching and clearly see that the country is lead by stupid, greedy men who have reduced America to the weakest it's ever been, financially and militarily. If DUMYA Bush and his crowd think they can continue to throw their weight around, the world is likely to have a very nasty surprise for America. Frankly, now is the time for its enemies to strike. Who will DUMYA Bush and his crowd lash out at? Anyone, everyone? How many ten's of thousands will be killed. DUMYA's place in history will be that of a total jerk. America had better work fast. You don't seem to realize how dangerous this foolish man and his supporters are. While they rub their hands in glee over their so-called power over America, the enemy is poised to strike!

P.S. Not only do I think he's foolish, I also seriously believe he is insane.

P.P.S. The next time he has a physical exam, his doctors should conduct a mental competency exam also.

Freebird - Remember what the Repubs. did to Clinton - they fairly drowned him in lawsuits, and I was amazed that he was able to function at all - but he has a strong mind.

Why don't we all start lawsuits on any and every topic of angst against Bush and Cheney personnaly, if possible. Bush definitely couldn't survive mentally the way Clinton did. Bush barely remained upright for the duration of the debates, and was obviously very relieved when they finished. Remember he attended the 911 inquiry with Cheney holding his hand. He is mentally WEAK and cannot take much pressure.

In any strategy of war, it seems that the goal is to put the adversary on the defence, and not play the game according to the rules they have set up. As Ms. Harris says, to think outside the box. Let's start a petition for a mental competency hearing for Bush. Just keep them busy playing our game, so they cannot play their own game, and look for an opening.

Granny D is just another demented old fool that gets involved in activism because it gets her attention from the public.

She should go spend time with her great grand children instead of trying to turn their world socialist.

Peggy: the truth is that America's enemies are right here at this blog:

They have names like Dredd, Freebird, and yourself to name a few.

Why don't you all just get out of our country? You are the two percenters in America, no make that the one percenters in America. You are useless unworking whiners that are not happy unless you are busy hating the best of America.

Why do I get the impression you are all just a bunch of high school dropouts with mom & dad's computers in your rooms and illegal substances hidden in your rooms?

Peggy,

Yes...he is a weak man propped up by powerful strings, but it would be better to take the offensive and keep them off balance. I believe that is what will happen, plus any number of missteps that they may make to help our cause. I have no idea what damage he'll be able to get away with until then.

Just read something interesting where Bush & Company are trying to get all the employees of the Social Security Administration to come forward and say what bad shape Social Security is in and promote the privatization agenda! LOL Yeah right, privatize all of them right out of a job! The government workers union has come out against the effort and many employees are complaining about being used to politicize their jobs.

Bush is on a big campaign to say Social Security is in crisis and bankrupt and needs to be privatized, which is a big bold faced lie just like his war fraud, election fraud, and energy fraud. They've been stealing Social Security Trust Funds for years and now the bank robbers want to victimize the people again! It's just okay to give the super rich tax breaks and wage multi-billion dollar oil and gas wars, but to hell with ordinary Americans and their Social Security.

So the Social Security program, the most successful government program ever, is being billed as a broken system by the people who are doing their best to break it, destroy the FDR legacy, and take away another Democratic issue that Republicans have lost on time and time again.

Social Security is solvent to 2042, well passed the baby boomer generation cycle. He just doesn't want to raise payroll taxes a few dollars because it would also raise the contribution share for employers...his base! Plus, Wall Street brokers are looking forward to their windfall commissions as they prepare to gamble American's retirement safety net away.

So let the battles begin! Bush needs to stop lusting for new foreign wars, because he may soon find America not a very hospitable place from which to wage them!

Freebird

Granny D, Dredd, Peggy...I'm gald to be listed in such honorable company!

And what is that foul smell that has returned to our midst, wafting from 41-43?

There is a strange noise on the line - is that you Mr. Coyouhoga country? Don't be upset - one day you will realize that DUMYA Bush is America's enemy, and your enemy - once you understand his lies and the destruction he has brought to America and the world. He is taking advantage of YOU! Then you will be rightfully very angry, at DUMYA.

Ho, ho. Cayouhoga. Cayouandmeehoga. Ancient Indian burial ground, perhaps?

My God, George W. Bush is extremely mentally ill. It's impossible to deny. He tortured animals as a child and frat brothers as an adult. He is sociopathic, megalomaniacal, and completely divorced from reality. He giggles incessantly at unbelievably inappropriate times. I heard one analysis of him that said he bungles his words when he talks about positive things and speaks with utmost clarity when he talks about murder, torture, and terror. He lives in a Walter Mitty type world of delusion thinking he is all these great and powerful characters he imitates. I'm waiting for him to completely crack up. He is being used so severely by these warlocks. He seems to me to be like a trapped soul in purgatory. It's as if we are there, too, but I believe we have a path out.

Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Wolfowitz, have been at this fascist game since the hoax of communism. After the end of that 'threat', they fabricated a nuclear weapon threat from Russia and got huge funds for military spending. It was later proven false. Then came the WMD and terror hoax. They finally reached their goal and got into the WH. Then they made their big move and BAM!!.. all for naught.The plan to grab the Iraqi oil, level the country and get their reconstruction underway, then move on to get the Caspian Sea oil, has bombed. Ha ha! France is madder than Hell. They had oil contracts with Hussein and the US ruined all that, and kept the others out of the spoils of their hoped for victory. Kerry met with Chirac, and Chirac is planning to meet with Iraqi leaders, so something must be in the works. I think the Neocons are doomed. How could they be serious with George, the looney-man, in front.

I came up with a couple of ideas. I think as many people as we can get should see the two documentaries, "hijacking Catastrophe", and "The Power of Nightmares"... free showings..parties, public places, promotions, whatever. Part of a counter media blitz.
Also, I speak loudly and clearly everywhere I go in public about everything. The click there tongues and turn on their blow dryers, but eventually the message will penetrate.

Czaragorn, my man. How does one live well in a police state?

Obviously, Granny D. Haddock loves nature and loves this beautiful country.

Teresa, God love ya! Living in a police state is a somewhat paradoxical proposition. On the one hand, keeping a low profile ensures one's own relative safety, while on the other hand it just encourages the beasts that be in power and leaves one with a foul taste in the mouth. So far my efforts to recruit a picket team have been met with a lot of mumbo-dumbo-jimbo jeering - we'll see what I can pull together for Black Thursday. Whatever the outcome, I have the option of returning to my own native, nascent police state! I'll see you all at the New Velvet Revolution! We'd better do it better than these poor folks over here.

Oh yes. A cute little gurgling nascent police state pooping in its diapers.

Ah, the mental magnificence of Jimmo returns! (See suggestion #2 in comment 26).

Considering the level of adolescent igonorance normally displayed in his comments, isn't the comment about us living with our parents a little rich? My house is bigger than my parents, they don't have a computer and I have no idea where my wife and kids would sleep...

Sorry, I completely forgot the usual right wing rhetoric of the "pot calling the kettle black", damn I might get the hang of that hypocrisy thing one day. Still, I doubt it as when I judge other people by my own standards I don't always assume that they will fall for any old crap I tell them, so there's still hope for me yet :-p

Keep the faith (and stay angry)!

HI YA LUNATICS! So Social Security is "solvent" until the year 2042 huh? Nice try but no turkey. In 2018, outflows exceed inflows and that means that we have to raise taxes or cut spending or both to keep the program going. You can talk all day about your 1.5 trillion in "treasury note" keeping the fund solvent. For 40 years Democrats & Republicans have used every dime of money raised for Social programs. It is gone, replaced with IOU's that when called in starting in 2018 means that they have to be replaced with NEW borrowings, higher taxes, or reduced spending. YOu can listen to your hero Paully Krugman all day long, but Krugman is a dropout economist that could not make it in the real world so he works at the New York Times. Wow. Even Krugman has to admit, when you pin him down, that yes we will have to do something as early as 2018.

Now why don't you all just run along and get your GED's, move out of mommy & daddy's home, get a job, and pay some taxes for a change.

Brad, I really think its time you had that chat with your REPUBLICAN mother and father. They are really disappointed in you. You just don't know what they say when you walk out of the room, do you?

What's needed around here is a fumigator - perhaps The Big Delay could recommend one

Ah, here's the opponents strength: Bush has based everything so far on this "mandate" and "ratification" due to election results. When the results are proven false, he will tumble. The man is ill.

Do you think it's possible that someone (Rove? Cheney? Condi?) at some point put W in a room & actually brainwashed him? A la the Manchurian Candidate? Stop laughing now...I mean how do you persuade an underachieving, moronic fratboy into believing that he is capable of being the leader of the free world? I've often wondered why they chose him (he was malleable?), and then why he would go along with it, why he seems content to be merely a mouthpiece (and a spectacularly embarrassing mouthpiece, at that!) for the agenda of others, which he so obviously is. One could say the perks are huge, of course, but does he really have them..... Power? he has none in reality--he does their bidding. Wealth? he's always had it. Respect? Can he really be unaware of how much & how widely he is ridiculed?
It's amazing to me that the man can function without intensive therapy.

Good points, Joan, but any lazy, overfed lout could fit that bill and gladly sell his or her otherwise worthless soul - face it, he's a shallow person of limited intellect and no curiosity- just the kind of guy you want to put up against Bin Ladin to save your country!

Oh Lord Bless Us, for how far we have strayed from the ofiginal thread

I apologize most sincerely to those in the audience who know what "ofiginal" means. As to the rest of the originals, carry on!

Czaragorn #56 - your description of DUMYA is right on. He just loves being "king" of America, with big guns to protect his cowardly ass.

I still cannot figure out why Americans would follow this jerk into war, let their young men and women die, when DUMYA REFUSED to complete his duty in the military, on U.S. SOIL no less, and got off scot-free because his Daddy's a rich politician. But he just loves sending others to their deaths for a STUPID cause: more oil and more money for the rich and powerful.

If they bring in the draft, can states rights and laws block it - for instance, stating that the young people are needed at home to protect state territory, or other reasons. Planning needs to start now so that NO ONE IS AVAILABLE for yellow DUMYA'S draft.

Then America can bring her soldiers home ASAP.

I

To DA WOOKIE~
I have to laugh at jimbo's thinking we're all kids using our parents' computers. Hahaha! My mother (who is 86) doesn't have one either. And sorry to disappoint you, jimmy, but you won't find any illegal substances in my room, either. You might find a bottle of Harvey's but that's about it!
Keep posting though. You do amuse me!

THERE IS NO CRISIS IN SOCIAL SECURITY! EVEN IF WE ASSUME YOUR 2018 FIGURE IS CORRECT, BASED ON YOUR REPUBLICAN PRO-PRIVATIZATION ASSUMPTIONS, THAT'S STILL 13 YEARS AWAY!

THE CRISIS DATE WAS 2018, THEN MOVED TO 2029, NOW ITS 2042! YOU MONEY GRUBBING WAR MONGERING WELFARE STEALING REPUBLICANS NEED TO STOP MURDERING PEOPLE WITH YOUR OIL & GAS WARS, TAKING MONEY FROM SOCIAL PROGRAMS THAT HELP ORDINARY AMERICANS, AND GIVING THE SUPER RICH BIG TAX BREAKS THEY DON'T NEED!

AMERICANS NEED AND WANT A SOCIAL SECURITY SAFETY NET! NOT A REPUBLICAN BACKED SOCIAL SECURITY CON-ARTIST GAMBLING INITIATIVE!

SOCIAL SECURITY FRAUD
ENERGY POLICY FRAUD
OIL & GAS WAR FRAUD
ELECTION VOTING FRAUD

WELCOME TO REPUBLICAN FRAUD & FASCISM!

Clap, clap, clap, clap, whistle!!!!! Clap, clap, clap shriek, whistle, clap, clap, clap!!!!!!!!!!!!

...atty jimmo said on 1/16/2005 @ 6:29pm PT...

"Why do I get the impression you are all just a bunch of high school dropouts with mom & dad's computers in your rooms and illegal substances hidden in your rooms?"
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Simple enough. Because you're a moron.

...atty jimmo said on 1/17/2005 @ 5:38am PT...
"HI YA LUNATICS! So Social Security is "solvent" until the year 2042 huh? Nice try but no turkey."
.....................................................................
Wrong. We have you, unfortunately.

"THERE IS NO CRISIS IN SOCIAL SECURITY!"

Wrong, Freebird. There will always be a crisis, whether a greatly exaggerated one, like international terrorism, or manufactured, like Iraqi WMDs or social security, as long as there are neocons in office instead of prison. But I know what you meant. Neocon - newly convicted.