READER COMMENTS ON
"George Bush is a Genius!"
(97 Responses so far...)
COMMENT #1 [Permalink]
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horkus
said on 1/16/2005 @ 10:47 pm PT...
According to Sy Hersh of the New Yorker (posted by crooksandliars.com), the Bush gang now have their sights set on Iran. Let's hurry up and fix these voting machines before these guys pull us into a nuclear catastrophe. And let's not forget that a lot of soldiers put in harms way are national guardsmen. Weekend warriors who never dreamt of going to war. The same kind of guard unit Bush entered so he wouldn't have to go to Vietnam.
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Teresa
said on 1/16/2005 @ 11:11 pm PT...
Yeah, Freedom went on a fucking march and marched right out of town! Probably drowned in the Euphrates.
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Teresa
said on 1/16/2005 @ 11:26 pm PT...
I think there was a total of 23 reasons they gave for this war. Have you ever in your life heard of a war in which the reasons were made up as they went along, and are still being fabricated?
What in the hell is wrong with the people of this country?
Yeah, Horkus, and the Guardsmen are supposed to be our first responders. Whatever happened to Homeland Security since we are under this terrible threat of being attacked by terrorists?
Oh, yes, I almost forgot. Homeland Security funds are being used for the Inaugural gala.
Silly me.
COMMENT #4 [Permalink]
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Teresa
said on 1/17/2005 @ 1:28 am PT...
Sounds like the genius has his time sequence mixed up. And the genius is guilty.
OK. How about this? Since the genius is so proud of his accomplishments, here is a commercial:
He is standing in front of the bombed out rubble of Fallujah recommending it as a vacation spot in the new thriving democracy of Iraq. You can purchase a time share in the soon to be erected luxury hotel and condominium complex, The Iraqi Arms. If you are hankering for a swim you can be thrown into the Tigris River by an American dressed as a soldier. The hotel will be well staffed by Iraqi young people as soon as thay get their prostheses fitted.
There will be nightly bombs dropped for entertainment, and the ambiance is romantic and perfect for lovers as there is no electricity. The corpses littering the streets are expected to be removed by the opening date.
Practicing Christians will be accomodated.
Any delays or problems must be overlooked, as we have priori irreproachable.
Hope to see you there!
COMMENT #5 [Permalink]
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czaragorn
said on 1/17/2005 @ 2:05 am PT...
The time has come, the walrus said...
COMMENT #6 [Permalink]
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Robert Lockwood Mills
said on 1/17/2005 @ 2:53 am PT...
Actually, Brad, the wingnuts won't argue, as Bush did, that the invasion was worth it despite the absence of WMD. These folks still think WMD exist.
"We're at war," goes the cry. But none of the wingnuts want to answer a more important question than, "Do WMD exist?" That question is,
"How will we know when we've won the so-called war against terrorism?"
I know you're in show business, so forgive me for this...but does anyone believe a celebrity journalist like Barbara Walters could ever effectively probe a serious political issue? Isn't that a bit like asking Kitty Kelley to interview Tony Blair?
COMMENT #7 [Permalink]
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att jimmo
said on 1/17/2005 @ 5:28 am PT...
Brad, you are a total lunatic and fool.
Bush said in his 2003 State of the Union speech that we will topple Saddam BEFORE he becomes an imminent threat.
You left wing hate mongers are hoping for more American deaths in Iraq just exactly like the traitors that cheered the North Vietnamese on when they killed Americans, and your daily rantings and whinings are doing nothing but giving the enemy RESOLVE, like you did in Vietnam.
You really REALLY sicken me. Why don't you just get out of our country because it is obvious you hate America, you hate our military, you hate freedom, and you hate yourselves most of all.
COMMENT #8 [Permalink]
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Teresa
said on 1/17/2005 @ 5:47 am PT...
Jim, dear.
Why aren't you happy? Your hero is about to be inaugurated as President of these great United States. Why don't you go somewhere and celebrate with joy and ecstasy? It's all going your way.
Plenty of time to despair later.
COMMENT #9 [Permalink]
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Kathy Schroedel
said on 1/17/2005 @ 6:03 am PT...
All I want to hear is that this asshole will be impeached!
COMMENT #10 [Permalink]
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Boosterz
said on 1/17/2005 @ 6:14 am PT...
Jimmo finally showed us his "compassionate conservative" side. Ugly ain't it?
They get that way when you expose the lies they want to believe in.
I've often wondered why Brad hasn't banned old Jimmo yet. I think now I know why. The absolute WORST thing you can do to a fool is LET THEM TALK.
COMMENT #11 [Permalink]
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Phil
said on 1/17/2005 @ 7:06 am PT...
Jimmo,
a little qoute that I think applies to you....
"Patriotism is the last refuge for a scoundrel"
Enjoying your misery....
Signed,
Half of America(and the entire free world)
COMMENT #12 [Permalink]
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atty jimmo
said on 1/17/2005 @ 7:38 am PT...
Phil: you do not have a clue about the world or Democracy.
Liberalism is the last refuge of those destitute of morality and knowledge.
Phil, just get out. America is tired of you LOSERS.
COMMENT #13 [Permalink]
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Bando Bling
said on 1/17/2005 @ 8:14 am PT...
It's simple. There was no WMD. Saddam not only kept Al-Quida out of Iraq but also was a counter balance to Iran.
There was no WMD which the French, Germans and rest of the world knew. That is why they opted out. CIA was asked to generate fabricated report, by Bush cartel in Iraq. (That explains why Tenet got the freedom medal from Dubya for 2 greatest intelligence failures under his watch:9/11 & Iraq.
Bush Cartel invaded Iraq for $$$$. They calculated that Iraq has oil and can pay the bills. So with occupation, US Coporations who are donors and affiliated to the Bush Cartel will make some nice profits. WMD story was simply bogus.
http://www.truthout.org/docs_05/010205X.shtml
COMMENT #14 [Permalink]
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STOP_George
said on 1/17/2005 @ 8:15 am PT...
All I've got to say is that, in October:
62% of Republicans and 40% of Americans STILL believe that Saddam was directly involved with 9/11.
(USA Today / Gallup poll - October, 2004)
COMMENT #15 [Permalink]
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Robert Lockwood Mills
said on 1/17/2005 @ 8:30 am PT...
Jim says, "America is tired of you losers." He doesn't say, "I'm tired of you losers."
Question: Who appointed Jim to speak for America?
Question: If we're losers, that makes Jim a winner. But whom has he defeated?
Question: What prize do the "winners" earn?
Questions: If our mission was accomplished two years ago, as the banner behind Bush proclaimed, why are we still trying to win now? When will we know we've won? Are we losers until then?
COMMENT #16 [Permalink]
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joan
said on 1/17/2005 @ 8:32 am PT...
Re #8...
Thanks yet again, jimbo, for so perfectly elucidating the rightwing black-is-white thinking!
It is indeed astonishing that anyone could read the posts found here & conclude that we hate America, hate our troops, want more deaths, and cheer on the enemy, when it is screamingly obvious to anyone with a brain that the opposite is true.
If anything is giving the enemy "RESOLVE"---and are you really so blinded by ideology that you cannot see this?--- it is, as Brad's current new post states so clearly, your team in the White House, which has succeeded in transforming Iraq into a successful terrorist training ground. From said post, in case you missed it, sweetie:
"Iraq has replaced Afghanistan as the training ground for the next generation of "professionalized" terrorists, according to a report released yesterday by the National Intelligence Council, the CIA director's think tank.
Iraq provides terrorists with "a training ground, a recruitment ground, the opportunity for enhancing technical skills," said David B. Low, the national intelligence officer for transnational threats. "There is even, under the best scenario, over time, the likelihood that some of the jihadists who are not killed there will, in a sense, go home, wherever home is, and will therefore disperse to various other countries."
"At the moment," NIC Chairman Robert L. Hutchings said, Iraq "is a magnet for international terrorist activity."
In all sincerity, james my boy, you should check out Chuck Herrin's site & read what REAL Republicans are saying about you & your ilk.
COMMENT #17 [Permalink]
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atty jimmo
said on 1/17/2005 @ 8:40 am PT...
I will say it again: You are all SORE LOSERS of the fringe wacko left wing party. America rejected you. I just do not know why you stay here. Your agenda and your wacked out leaders have failed you miserably. They told you America wanted a bunch of wannabe rebels running up and down the streets screaming about riots unless they get their way. They were wrong.
Now get along little boys & girls; its time to try to get your GED.
COMMENT #18 [Permalink]
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Phil
said on 1/17/2005 @ 8:57 am PT...
Why jimmo, you've begun to see the light...
"....your wacked out leaders have failed you miserably."
Our candidates didn't win, and our "whacked" leaders HAVE failed all of us miserably. And if you would keep up with current events you would know that there were no WMDs in spite of what our leaders sent guys into Iraq to capture. You cannot rewrite history and it only makes you look dim witted and dogmatic to try to change the pretense of the War for oil. STILL enjoying your misery.....
COMMENT #19 [Permalink]
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jpentz
said on 1/17/2005 @ 10:18 am PT...
Jimmo does not read the dictionary either. Another Fox News Parrot.
Main Entry: lib·er·al·ism
Pronunciation: 'li-b(&-)r&-"li-z&m
Function: noun
1 : the quality or state of being liberal
2 a often capitalized : a movement in modern Protestantism emphasizing intellectual liberty and the spiritual and ethical content of Christianity b : a theory in economics emphasizing individual freedom from restraint and usually based on free competition, the self-regulating market, and the gold standard c : a political philosophy based on belief in progress, the essential goodness of the human race, and the autonomy of the individual and standing for the protection of political and civil liberties d capitalized : the principles and policies of a Liberal party
- lib·er·al·ist /-b(&-)r&-list/ noun or adjective
- lib·er·al·is·tic /"li-b(&-)r&-'lis-tik/ adjective
Hugs from a Liberal (who is damn proud of it)
JPentz
COMMENT #20 [Permalink]
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jaime
said on 1/17/2005 @ 10:21 am PT...
Jimmo, when do you start lining up the evil half of the country and put us out of our evil minds with the guns liberals haven't taken from you?
Or better yet, when will you use all that piss and vinegar to defend my freedoms. No...being a lawyer is much more lucrative. And you aren't so stupid as to put your life on the line for the glorius success of Iraq.
COMMENT #21 [Permalink]
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jpentz
said on 1/17/2005 @ 10:27 am PT...
Let's draft Jimmo! I wonder why he has not signed up to go over and fight for us. RAWRRRRR!!!
Actually that might not be much fun as his computer use might be more limited and what would we do if we could not hear from him?
I think he is rather an "armchair Bush Rules Lawyer" as opposed to the real kind. How did he get through school without knowing what the world liberal means?
COMMENT #22 [Permalink]
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Val Zudell
said on 1/17/2005 @ 10:28 am PT...
I'm sure Bush meant it when he said the war in Iraq was absolutely worth it. It was worth it to the Bush Cartel and corporate buddies who made billions war profiteering. They could care less about the thousands who have been killed. To them it's only collateral damage not human lives. Funny how inconsistent they are on the value of human life. They act as though they think the Iraqi people are something less than human and don't count. It sickens me when he makes a big show of donating a measley ten thousand of his own money to tsunami victims while spending billions of our money to kill thousands. This makes no sense to a rational person. Our soldiers are over there guarding the oil fields and performing the duties that we should be allowing the Iragi people to do so as to build their economy themselves. All this war money could be given to the people to rebuild their country instead of taking their jobs away too. No wonder they despise America. This war is Bush's Baby and he obviously loves it this way.
COMMENT #23 [Permalink]
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atty jimmo
said on 1/17/2005 @ 10:36 am PT...
jpentz: re: the definition of liberalims:
Look up the difinition of S _ _ T in your encyclopedia.
It will gloss over that word pretty nice also in your dictionary.
Good God. You have been reduced to trying to support your wacko left wing ideas via a DICTIONARY!
Unbelievable.
COMMENT #24 [Permalink]
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atty jimmo
said on 1/17/2005 @ 10:36 am PT...
OH ya:
YOU LOSE
WE WIN
NOW GET OUT of our COUNTRY.
COMMENT #25 [Permalink]
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jpentz
said on 1/17/2005 @ 10:46 am PT...
COMMENT #26 [Permalink]
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Cole...
said on 1/17/2005 @ 10:46 am PT...
With so much of importance and worthy of discussion available why, oh why, are the poorly written words of Atty Jimmo (aka Att Jimmo) taking up so much space?
The 'Genius' as the question of this blog is simply a person whose mentality stopped growing at the age of four, an accoplished egomaniac and master of the political shell game where the pea is palmed as the shells are hectacilly moved about--the pea being morality and honesty, and the empty shells are, of course, are the gullable simple loyal Jims of the world.
And what the hell does ATTY (AKA ATT) stand for anyway?
COMMENT #27 [Permalink]
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bluebird
said on 1/17/2005 @ 11:28 am PT...
atty Jimmo, has it occurred to you that when law is replaced by "divine law' you'll be out of a job? This dominionist infiltrated "administration" hates lawyers and the law. Maybe you should reconsider your position .
Also you might allow a little reality in here. I think you've got a tape running in your head that won't let you see what's happening right in front of your face. I don't know if someone is paying you to demonize "liberals" on this blog or exactly where your incredible well of anger springs from, but the truth is you're very much like us. You're a person, you have feelings that can make you miserable or joyful. Maybe you have someone you love and would do anything for. Maybe you have a child you want to protect. Maybe you're afraid to die or maybe you've had a full life, so you're not so afraid. You feel passion, love , pain , fear, hurt , rejection, and loneliness. The scary thing is Jimmo, we feel all those same things. We're just people too, not demons or devils. We're your next door neighbors, you know, the ones you borrow the rake from. We want love and happiness, friends, and family. Most of us try to do good things not bad things. Think about it. We're not the enemy. We don't want to kill you, take away your freedom of religion, poison your air and water, take away your health insurance, send your child off to die, ruin your public schools, screw up your social security, or destroy your democracy. Some people DO. But not us.
I want you to know I don't take your comments seriously or personally. You don't know any of the people on this blog, so the personal attacks you make have no basis in reality. When I read your remarks, I realize you're living in a made up world full of make believe "facts". That's why I don't pay attention to the "substance" of your arguments, there really hasn't been any. I urge you to try to find reality. No matter how bad it is, it's always better than lies.
COMMENT #28 [Permalink]
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atty jimmo
said on 1/17/2005 @ 11:51 am PT...
{Ed: This comment has been deleted because it duplicates a previous comment.}
COMMENT #29 [Permalink]
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atty jimmo
said on 1/17/2005 @ 11:51 am PT...
{Ed: This comment has been deleted because it duplicates a previous comment}
COMMENT #30 [Permalink]
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atty jimmo
said on 1/17/2005 @ 11:56 am PT...
Only to the American left wing would the esteemed "resistance" in Iraq be the Facists Baathists, Saddam loyalists, and Iranian insurgents trying to kill the people that want to vote.
It is amazing that the people at the Democratic Underground and here think the murderour Bathists and Saddam loyalists in Iraq are the "resistance"!
COMMENT #31 [Permalink]
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jpentz
said on 1/17/2005 @ 11:56 am PT...
Maybe if we prayed genuine christian prayers for him . . .
COMMENT #32 [Permalink]
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jpentz
said on 1/17/2005 @ 11:56 am PT...
Maybe if we prayed genuine christian prayers for him . . .
COMMENT #33 [Permalink]
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G
said on 1/17/2005 @ 11:57 am PT...
I believe people who think like Atty Jim and support Bush have been swindled.
I feel sorry for those Republican s that believe in their party and its beliefs or phoney agenda ... as truth will prevail. The utter disappointment, embarrasment and humiliation most Republicans are just beginning to suffer will grow as more lies surface and crimminal prosecution and/or impeachment of its political leaders begins.
The truth is the super rich Repubicans have led the "rest of their middle class associates" to believe is the Republican agenda ... is infact .... "Facism".... with the super rich in the drivers using the media to manipulate the "many gullible narrow minded Atty Jim's" it has enticed with fictional tales of Liberal conspiracies in the twisted Republican world of politicians pimping policy for perks and political prostitutes trading their reputation for prominent postions, favors and /or riches.
You should feel sorry for all Att Jim's as in the end ... all this death, destuction, murders and woe will rest on there shoulders ... the Republican Voters".... and they have to live with that for the rest of their lives.
Now, lets "Impeach GW Bush"and Chaney for war crimes and lies told to the American people. Write your Congressman and demand both Chaney GW Bush be impeached.
Lets get started....
G
COMMENT #34 [Permalink]
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Phil
said on 1/17/2005 @ 11:58 am PT...
President Bush (news - web sites) says there is no need to hold anyone in his administration accountable for what has happened in Iraq (news - web sites) because the voters have already spoken.
COMMENT #35 [Permalink]
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Phil
said on 1/17/2005 @ 12:05 pm PT...
President Bush says there is no need to hold anyone in his administration accountable for what has happened in Iraq because the voters have already spoken.
IF there were an attorney around (worth the money his parents spent on his schooling), I would ask how a perp would insinuate that he not be held responsible for something (according to his own accounts) that has gone swimmingly. If there were no violations of international law, why plead immunity? This bafoon is (to use jimmo's term) whacko.
COMMENT #36 [Permalink]
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jpentz
said on 1/17/2005 @ 12:06 pm PT...
Actually, Jeb, Feeney, ES&S, Triad, Diebold, Kenneth Blackwell, Karl Rove. Delay and regime have spoken. There is no physical proof the voters have spoken.
There's a lot more of us than them.
Every dog has it's day and what goes around comes around. Law of nature.
COMMENT #37 [Permalink]
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skinny
said on 1/17/2005 @ 12:11 pm PT...
The hypocrisy police have arrived, and Jimbo--you're busted.
What does an abused child ultimately learn? That it's always better to be the one doing the abusing.
No use in trying to get you to actually think. You much prefer the comforting sterility of your spoon-fed dogma over the (what must be absolutely terrifying for you) prospect of rational thought. You are not capable of adding ANYTHING to the process that we all share, and every life that you touch is only that much colder for it. Your views and in fact life aren't worth a drop of piss. Soon enough you'll drown in the bile you've generated. You'll rot alone in front of your computer until the smell gets bad enough that someone finally decides that you're worth the effort of being disposed of.
Unlike you, I'm going to make things better. Of course doing so requires caging off the rabid frothing idiots like yourself who still subscribe to the theory that might makes right, that Bush can do no wrong, that the word "liberal" is a synonym for "shit", and that our national calling is to rape and dominate the world. Others may choose differing venues for change, but that's where I'm going to start. I'm going to shout down hypocrisy and injustice wherever I see it, and today that starts with you.
You see, we are indeed a majority. A very STRONG majority. Admittedly, the Repugnant tactic of divide and conquer has been supremely successful, allowing a self-serving minority to hold an unreasonable level of power, but that's about to change.
We're mobilizing right now Jimbo, and you have a front row seat. We're coming together and getting behind a common agenda. We're getting stronger and more numerous with each passing day. We are sizing the Repugnants up and seeing more and more that they're a paper tiger. We're going to round them up, cage them off and then watch as they splinter to pieces fighting over what's left of the carcass of their ill-gotten spOILs.
As for you Jimbo, don't you worry. We'll take our country back. You're a disease, and if we have to we'll cut you away and throw you into the garbage bin of history. We'll organize, we'll back you into a corner, and then we'll smile as the fringe-wacko sore-loser hate-mongering liberal fools tear away from you what you so blindly think you have entitlement to. You can fight it as hard as you want, but you'll lose in the end. 'Cuz it ain't yours. You'll cry and say it isn't fair. Then you'll find yourself all alone and empty, with no power and no love. And maybe, just maybe, you'll finally realize that there is nothing left for you or of you, and you will pass from the scene without a tear being shed.
My advice to you: Shut the fuck up and tend to your garden, because there will come a day when it's all that you have.
COMMENT #38 [Permalink]
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Peg C
said on 1/17/2005 @ 12:13 pm PT...
O.K., guys. This is VERY old news. The NEW news is that the B* has sanitized everything by declaring that everything done "in His name" is a priori irreproachable. In other words, any act done in the BUSH name is unquestionable because it has been pardoned in advance.
Please question this tautological reasoning.
Peg
COMMENT #39 [Permalink]
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Arry
said on 1/17/2005 @ 12:17 pm PT...
Re:#27: Cole said: "The 'Genius' as the question of this blog is simply a person whose mentality stopped growing at the age of four, an accoplished egomaniac and master of the political shell game where the pea is palmed as the shells are hectacilly moved about--the pea being morality and honesty, and the empty shells are, of course, are the gullable simple loyal Jims of the world."
Being Martin Luther King's birthday today brings to mind that there is a true morality and it's not part of a shell game. Geov Parrish wrote a good article yesterday (http://www.workingforchange.com/article.cfm?ItemID=18380 ) about sanitizing Dr. King, especially his truly progressive work and growing militancy in opposition to the war in Vietnam. As I mentioned in my new blog (http://arrygetsserious.blogspot.com) this morning, it's an old story of fake morality, hypocritical constructions of those devoid of a moral core confronting the real thing. The result was and is pervasive fear of those who "speak to power".
There is moral strength and there is hypocrisy. They are mutually exclusive. And, in fact, lack of moral depth, the vacuum, is always filled with hypocrisy because it is the only way amorality can put a face on it's world view that is really only about its own selfish interests. It's what the Bush administration is all about - and I mean that literally. All. We have certainly hit the lowest depths of U.S. politics.
By the way, Jim seems so robotic and party line, for awhile I was thinking he was a committee - You know, "I'll take the Brad Blog today... I'll just get #32 out of the file here..." Still might be the case, but then he might just be a dittohead.
COMMENT #40 [Permalink]
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Peggy
said on 1/17/2005 @ 12:19 pm PT...
Dear Atty Jimmo - I think the reason you are so angry, and why you keep on reading the material on this site, is that you have doubts about DUMYA and are really upset that you have supported him, no questions asked, and that all the evidence is that DUMYA lied to you, and has failed you and America. You know, that's alright. You have a lot of company.
BUT, once you have figured out FOR YOURSELF, that DUMYA's Administration is a BAD and dangerous Administration, you will want to get them out of office ASAP. War-for-profit, and destruction based on lies are not in your best interests - they are in the interests of those corporate businesses which make money from war. They don't care about you, or those who are suffering and dying.
BTW, after Saddam was pushed out of Kuwait in 1990, America and Britain were routinely bombing Iraq. Saddam was boxed in, and sanctions kept Iraq poor. By 2002, his weapons were low-tech, and he was not able to attack America or anyone else. In fact, he was trying to re-establish normal relations with the world because his country was not able to recover economically. DUMYA AND COMPANY knew this and were not afraid of Saddam. They thought that since Saddam had succeeded as a dictator and was weak miliatarily and financially, an American military offence would be a "cake-walk" and that the poor oppressed people of Iraq would accept a new dictator, called DUMYA, without a fight (but with flowers). We all know that this evil, simplistic, duplistic plan has failed.
COMMENT #41 [Permalink]
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pushcat
said on 1/17/2005 @ 12:19 pm PT...
Why waste your bandwidth and your breath on the likes of Atty Jimmo. He is like all the Bush Robots. Preprogrammed with the Bush talking points, and beyond the realm of reasoning, and intellectual understanding.
COMMENT #42 [Permalink]
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joan
said on 1/17/2005 @ 12:20 pm PT...
Re #28
Bluebird~ Thank you for responding to our misguided friend with such compassion & intelligence. Well said.
COMMENT #43 [Permalink]
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bluebird
said on 1/17/2005 @ 12:30 pm PT...
Joan, thank you my friend.
COMMENT #44 [Permalink]
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joan
said on 1/17/2005 @ 12:37 pm PT...
Hahaha, but having said that last, thanks to #39, too! LOL! I read that one aloud to the liberal hordes gathered here, all wallowing in their evil god-hating, America-hating, freedom-hating damn evilness, damn their eyes, the nutjobs!!! It drew applause. Thanks, Skinny!
COMMENT #45 [Permalink]
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ATTY JIMMO
said on 1/17/2005 @ 1:10 pm PT...
NEW YORK — Iraqi expatriates in the United States and around the world began registering Monday to participate in their home country's first-ever democratic elections, scheduled for Jan. 30.
"This is a great moment for me and for the people of Iraq," Abdulrasul al-Hayder, 48, told The Associated Press as he registered in the Detroit suburb of Southgate. "This is the moment when Iraqis will put their stamp on the democracy. We've been waiting so many years."
Tanya Gilly, a member of the Women's Alliance for a Democratic Iraq, said she forsees a large number of Iraqi expats voting. "It's kind of a dream for them to vote in a free election in Iraq," she said.
"Symbolically, it's very important," added Tahir Hussain, director of the Nashville Kurdish Forum in the United States. "Adding to that, a success of a new Iraq and the success of an election is the success of America," he added, noting that many Iraqis living in the United States (search) are now either U.S. citizens or waiting to be citizens.
"We would like America to succeed in the War on Terror (search) and succeed in Iraq ... we are happy with the elections, we believe they're going to make a change … [and] will lead to a process and government that had not existed," Hussain said.
SO WHO DO YOU THINK REVEREND (REVEREND AS IN CHRISTIAN) MARTIN LUTHER KING WOULD BE CALLING THE "RESISTANCE" IN IRAQ? THOSE WANTING FREEDOM AS HE DID FOR HIS FOLLOWERS, OR THOSE THAT WANTED TO LET SADDAM KEEP THE RAPE ROOMS IN IRAQ GOING WHILE HE PAID THEM (FRANCE, GERMANY, RUSSIA, & THE DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND COMMUNIST BLOG)
COMMENT #46 [Permalink]
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bluebird
said on 1/17/2005 @ 1:14 pm PT...
I think somebody's paying this guy to keep us busy and divert our energy. I'm gonna go email some senators.
COMMENT #47 [Permalink]
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jpentz
said on 1/17/2005 @ 1:23 pm PT...
COMMENT #48 [Permalink]
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Peggy
said on 1/17/2005 @ 1:30 pm PT...
A word about Afghanistan. After 9/11, the world was entirely sympathetic towards DUMYA and America. They understood America's demand that the Taliban hand over Osama, and understood when America attacked the Taliban in Afghanistan when they refused. Even the Arabian countries understood and expessed no objections. The whole world supported America!
DUMYA has said that one of the reasons he has killed many thousands of innocent Iraqis is to set them free and bring democracy to the Middle East.
Well, he had every opportunity to do that in Afghanistan. The Afghanis welcomed America with flowers, they admired America, needed American financial assistance, were sick of war, wanted democracy, education and to advance their societies. America could have her bases, could find Osama, who was at the time hiding in Afghanistan, could rebuild the country, get rid of the drug-growing. The opportunity to create a SHINING DEMOCRACY in the region, the envy of all Arab countries was sitting right in front of DUMYA's face. The billions he has spent killing and destroying in Iraq could have built his "VISION" of Democracy in the region in AFGHANISTAN. DUMYA could have gone down in history as a good man, a wise man, a generous man, a hero - and America, honored and respected in the world.
But no - DUMYA AND HIS CROWD couldn't see. They were blinded by their selfish greed, they were stupid (hence DUMYA), they didn't care about the Afghani people, or democracy, or anything else they pretend to espouse. All their evil hearts could see was an opportunity to lie and further their long-time plan to invade Iraq and get their hands on the oil, and take over the country to expand American corporate growth and influence in the Middle East. DUMYA AND HIS CROWD are perfect fools - God and the Universe conspired to turn the tragedy of 9/11 into a glorious opportunity for America to act righteously in the world, to be a true and honest leader, to help those who are oppressed and tired of war and wanted to improve their lives, who admired and thanked America, and to have America as a welcome presence in the region.
So billions and billions of dollars have been spent, and we are left with two countries, Iraq and Afghanistan both struggling and suffering, America's reputation so soiled that it will be irreparable in our life times, and America so hated in the world.
So, for those who are paying attention, are listening and care, DUMYA AND COMPANY have been exposed, WHO DUE TO THEIR BLACK HEARTS, REJECTED THE EXTRAORDINARY OPPORTUNITY TO DO GOOD FOR THE ADVANCEMENT OF ALL IN THE WORLD, AND CHOOSE EVIL INSTEAD. And that is the lesson that we humans must learn.
COMMENT #49 [Permalink]
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G
said on 1/17/2005 @ 1:34 pm PT...
Enough of this.....
Its time to IMPEACH George W. Bush and Dick Chaney.
Write letters to your Congressmen and (just for fun) the White House (cc:) requesting both be impeached for War Crimes and lying to Americans ..... about everything.
G
COMMENT #50 [Permalink]
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atty jimmo
said on 1/17/2005 @ 1:38 pm PT...
SO WHO DO YOU THINK REVEREND (REVEREND AS IN CHRISTIAN) MARTIN LUTHER KING WOULD BE CALLING THE "RESISTANCE" IN IRAQ? THOSE WANTING FREEDOM AS HE DID FOR HIS FOLLOWERS, OR THOSE THAT WANTED TO LET SADDAM KEEP THE RAPE ROOMS IN IRAQ GOING WHILE HE PAID THEM (FRANCE, GERMANY, RUSSIA, & THE DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND COMMUNIST BLOG)
COMMENT #51 [Permalink]
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Gable
said on 1/17/2005 @ 1:45 pm PT...
I am new to these Blog's, but that fellow "Jim" seems like a very rude young man. It has been my experience that people who yell a lot do not have a whole lot say. If he ever spoke to me or my wife like that in public I would punch him in the nose. I think the person named "Bluebird" summed it up very well. This fellow is just a distraction.
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Phil
said on 1/17/2005 @ 1:46 pm PT...
Someone needs a hug........
COMMENT #53 [Permalink]
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Peggy
said on 1/17/2005 @ 1:47 pm PT...
Dear Atty Jimmo - Firstly, while all those expatriate Iraqis may welcome the opportunity to vote, I expect none of them would have wanted their country bombed to pieces, up to 100,000 innocent Iraqis killed, mostly women and children, and the country now mainly non-functioning and in a state of terror. There were many others ways to solve the Saddam problem other than by war. It is always a matter of using our God-given brains, consciences and the will to accomplish what is necessary to be done. Secondly, Martin Luther King was a man of peace, and he determinedly worked to change injustice in peaceful ways. And he was successful, wasn't he?
COMMENT #54 [Permalink]
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Arry
said on 1/17/2005 @ 1:51 pm PT...
Re #45:Atty (sic) Jimmo shouted: "We would like America to succeed in the War on Terror (search) and succeed in Iraq ... we are happy with the elections, we believe they're going to make a change … [and] will lead to a process and government that had not existed," Hussain said.
SO WHO DO YOU THINK REVEREND (REVEREND AS IN CHRISTIAN) MARTIN LUTHER KING WOULD BE CALLING THE "RESISTANCE" IN IRAQ? THOSE WANTING FREEDOM AS HE DID FOR HIS FOLLOWERS, OR THOSE THAT WANTED TO LET SADDAM KEEP THE RAPE ROOMS IN IRAQ GOING WHILE HE PAID THEM (FRANCE, GERMANY, RUSSIA, & THE DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND COMMUNIST BLOG)
Wow - hearts, flowers, springtime - sounds phony to me. You'd think no one in the current administration had ever considered realpolitik, never armed Central American death squads, never read or pursued "Project for a New American Century", never allowed foreign corporations to take over the functions of Iraqi culture, never considered that the vast majority of Iraqis want us out, never killed 100,000 or so civilians, never lied to the American people about the reasons for the invasion, never scared U.S. citizens with a phony imminent attack, never sent Hussein chemical weapons. Democracy is the last thing the administration wants in Iraq, but if they can sell hearts and flowers of course they'll do it. They have no morals, they think they can "market" themselves out of or into any situation. Well, it's growing thin and coming apart and it's about time.
We are in great company, folks. Commie was a term used incessantly for Martin Luther King, especially in the late '60's when he was opposing the war in Vietnam. I think he was bright enough:) to have seen through the current shabby hypocritical charade, too, and would have been a great ally and leader in our cause.
COMMENT #55 [Permalink]
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Peggy
said on 1/17/2005 @ 1:57 pm PT...
Dear Atty Jimmo #50 - America now has her own rape and torture prisons - Abu Gharib and others. So, she now has shamefully sunk to a level even lower than Saddam, because America should know better than this.
COMMENT #56 [Permalink]
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Phil
said on 1/17/2005 @ 2:05 pm PT...
The problem with these guys is that they believe they're torturin' in the name of God. Dumya's verbal slip early in the war calling it a 'crusade' is more revealing in hind site. While the neo-cons proceed with persuing their agenda they have their own little Charlie McCarthy to parrot the newest excuse for the war (since the whole WMD thing didn't work out) and we are now seeing Democracy on the march. I wondered what that looked like.
COMMENT #57 [Permalink]
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Phil
said on 1/17/2005 @ 2:17 pm PT...
I guess if it's ok for the US empire to do it then the Israelis can do it.......http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20030115-035849-6156r
I just hope that they check out their suspects a little better than Ashcroft does.
COMMENT #58 [Permalink]
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Lori
said on 1/17/2005 @ 3:08 pm PT...
Whoa! What a some-kind-of-blog-day it is. It was peaceful during the weekend without Atty "boy" Jimmo. I was hopeful he had gone snow boarding for the weekend (I don't envision him as a skier), and thought that he would have the opportunity to purge some of that venom - he continually spouts - while aggressively attacking the moguls and slopes.
However, enlightenment has overcome me this very moment and you are all witness to it. A"b" J is a plant; a plant from the left; a plant from the very far left. His mission to impel, incite and rouse all of us, to not only converse, but to promote our unification and intensify our collective desire to end this nightmare called Bush & Co - NOW - has been most successful.
Jimmo! You can just feel the energy - it's working. You are an angel of peace , a guru of election challenge and reform, an environmental pantheist, and so very much more. Thank you for keeping us on our toes - you are truly an inspiration to all.
And if for any reason I may be incorrect with my assessment of you, please refer to comments #28 and #38.
COMMENT #59 [Permalink]
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Teresa
said on 1/17/2005 @ 3:09 pm PT...
Yeah, Peggy...#53.
Martin Luther King was successful in his struggle against injustice, until this LAST ELECTION!!
A massive return to Jim Crow, due to these creepholes, just set us back to a degree of sorrow I can't even express. Not to mention a return to Middle Ages and torture chambers, just waiting to receive this country's own citizens.
I agree. Let us purify. Let us rid ourselves of this sewer slime.
Let us be free.
Happy MLK Day!!
COMMENT #60 [Permalink]
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Peggy
said on 1/17/2005 @ 4:30 pm PT...
Dear Atty Jimmo - The following excerpt is from an article in today's www.freepress.org by Molly Ivins:
"According to the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office, Social Security will be able to rely on the trust fund until 2052 and after that will still be able to pay 81 percent of scheduled benefits."
Please check it out.
It seems your man DUMYA is telling you lies again.
COMMENT #61 [Permalink]
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Arry
said on 1/17/2005 @ 4:56 pm PT...
To Lori #58 - It all fits. Thanks. And the beauty of it is that it is working so well!
COMMENT #62 [Permalink]
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Jimmo needs hugs
said on 1/17/2005 @ 5:04 pm PT...
Poor Jimmo. He's been reduced to *all caps* in his impotent rage. Perhaps he broke the capslock key pounding on it. It's encouraging to see your enemies so angry.
He serves an essential purpose here. I'm glad he's not been banned. He may in fact be one of the *most important members of our community here*.
He is our version of "Why We Fight", by Capra. It was a WWII propaganda film, but Capra let the Nazis tell their own story. It was very effective.
Can you imagine an America run by Jimmos?
I hope he keeps posting right up 'til the bitter end, because all we need to do when we're tired, apathetic, discouraged or wondering if we really are right is to *read some Jimmo* and think "If we weaken, people like *this* will hold sway in America".
I find that to be a galvanizing thought, and the fatigue and discouragement flow away swiftly, replaced by the thought "I can still find the energy to do *more* to thwart these people today".
COMMENT #63 [Permalink]
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Freebird
said on 1/17/2005 @ 5:09 pm PT...
Good comeback ARRY at #54!
I always have a good laugh when Republican right-wing conservative types try to quote that "liberal" Dr. Martin Luther King, who opposed war and fought injustice through civil disobedience! I also enjoyed the "liberal" definition by JPENTZ #20 and the uneducated response by the right-wing person it was directed to answer.
I truly believe we shouldn't be training people around the world about how to build corrupt democracies, but how to engage in civil disobedience to protect themselves and their natural rights and freedoms, even from a democracy. After all, what is democracy but 50% + 1.
Democracy doesn't mean freedom, liberty, and most of all justice! It simply means a majority of people or a majority of their usually corruptly elected representatives vote one way or the other on an issue or for a candidate. So if you democratically elect an Adolph Hitler or George Bush, does that equate to freedom? liberty? JUSTICE?
If a majority votes to ban gay marriage or elect a fascist, is that vote based on what is truly free, liberal, or just, or is it based on fear, intimidation, or indoctrination? The PEOPLE, and I mean all PEOPLE, need to find a better way to govern all our human and natural relationships. I have already created just such a system and constitution that will be published soon. I will share it first with my friends here at BRAD BLOG in the near future!
There can be non-violent PEOPLE POWER used in the Middle East and Arab world to bring about freedom, liberty, and justice. We could have helped train Arabs and Muslims to defeat tyranny through PEOPLE POWER, just like we invested time and money in Eastern Europe! We could have shown them how to block bridges and confiscate buildings and march in masse to bring about change.
We could have used the PEACE CORPS and other non-violent advocacy to develop the rapport and trust to lead those changes. And that PEACE CORPS could have just as easily built hospitals, construct roads, and hand out soccer balls to children without guns on their backs, tanks at their sides, or killing and terrorizing thousands.
But the problem with our policy in Iraq and Afghanistan is not only our policies, but our intent! While many Americans are led to believe were doing our part to create democracy, they have little clue as to the sinister motivations of the cheats and liars who represent us in Washington. They have only disbelief at the thought these men could have murdered 3,000 Americans in order to wage their corrupt criminal wars for oil and gas companies, or post-dated checks for billions in reconstruction and military contracts.
You see...the PEACE CORPS doesn't build oil and gas pipelines! They don't topple governments to enrich energy companies and militray industrial contractors! And the last thing a corrupt United States government wants to do is to train people on protecting their rights and liberties through civil disobedience, when they know that training can then be turned around and used to defeat the corrupt intent of an American government and its business partners. An American CORRUPT STATE, as Henry David Thoreau so artistically pointed out, which has no problem perpetrating war fraud, energy fraud, and election fraud upon its own people, let alone people of another land rich in oil and gas.
But how can we as a nation promote that non-violent PEOPLE POWER after we murdered tens of thousands of human beings through our corrupt government and murderous profit-motivated Military Industrial Complex? The Iraqi people have a natural right to resist, authorized by international law! An international law that George Bush and Richard Cheney did not want to follow themselves.
So when people decry the IRAQI RESISTANCE as murderers, terrorists, and other labels. Let us not forget that before those people were turned to violence, their country was illegally invaded, tens of thousands of their men, women, and children were murdered and terrorized, and the massacre we have brought continues through WAR CRIME acts in Fallujah and throughout Iraq.
There is a better way to deal with the problems of the world. But when the leaders of the most powerful nation on Earth are in fact mass murderers themselves, war criminals, and corrupt puppets of profit-motivated market economics, then the only thing America is leading is how to kill and destroy to get your way. So is it any wonder that the response to that death, destruction, and corruption is violence in kind?
RIP Dr. King!
Freebird
COMMENT #64 [Permalink]
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Lori
said on 1/17/2005 @ 6:01 pm PT...
Please sign Senator Boxer's petition.
Excerpt from Barbara Boxer's Petition letter regarding the confirmation hearings, Tuesday and Wednesday, for Condoleeza Rice and her appointment to Secretary of State under George W. Bush:
"Today we commemorate the life and work of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., a man who gave his life to the fight for civil rights. One of his many memorable quotes seems particularly appropriate today:
MLK: Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.
Tomorrow, Barbara Boxer will heed Dr. King's call as she questions one of the chief architects of the Bush Administration's failed policy in Iraq during Condoleezza Rice's confirmation hearings."
If you haven't done so already, please go to this site,
http:/ga4.orgcampaignricehearings?rk=x71CvL11jBQfW
and sign her petition today. And please pass this along. The more signatures, the stronger the message. Brad has noted this sight at the VR. Let Senator Boxer know we support her courage, commitment and integrity.
Thanks everyone.
COMMENT #65 [Permalink]
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Val Zudell
said on 1/17/2005 @ 6:02 pm PT...
Freebird,
I love your thinking and you put it to words so perfectly. Thanks!!
COMMENT #66 [Permalink]
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jaime
said on 1/17/2005 @ 6:12 pm PT...
Lawyer Jim spewed this:
"It is amazing that the people at the Democratic Underground and here think the murderour Bathists and Saddam loyalists in Iraq are the "resistance"!
I hope you carry a dictionary with all them fancy law type books.
RE-SIS-TANCE
n 1: the action of opposing something that you disapprove or disagree with. 4: the military action of resisting the enemy's advance; 6: a secret group organized to overthrow a government or occupation force
It seems like A) Several people in Iraq oppose our presence there. B) They are taking military action against us and C) They are secret groups organizing to overthrow what your president has called an "Occupying Force"
I know lawyers like to play word gymnastics, but we prefer to be accurate on this blog.
COMMENT #67 [Permalink]
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Peggy
said on 1/17/2005 @ 6:15 pm PT...
Freebird, I believe you are correct (once again).
Is anyone familiar with the hierarchy of the Pentagon? I wonder how many of them are sick of the use of America's sons and daughters as cannon fodder for America's elite, or DUMYA's base as he is proud to call it. Are they satisfied that they were sent to defend America based on lies? Against a poor country with no WMD's? And have now stirred up a hornets nest? Are they willing to stand up to DUMYA and his gang and tell him NO? And bring the soldiers home. How about a quiet military coup? How can they ever trust DUMYA AND HIS GANG again? Aren't they sick of the perpetual fraud about Iraq? Do they have any real courage? Will they truly protect ALL of America's people, firstly their own young soldiers? How many of them are willing to sell out America for DUMYA? For what? Do they think it's just fine that DUMYA has a $50m party bash, while America's soldiers sit in Iraqi hell with in adequate armour and no chance to come home soon?
COMMENT #68 [Permalink]
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Winter Patriot
said on 1/17/2005 @ 6:21 pm PT...
Peggy wrote in comment #48:
"After 9/11, the world was entirely sympathetic towards DUMYA and America. They understood America's demand that the Taliban hand over Osama, and understood when America attacked the Taliban in Afghanistan when they refused. Even the Arabian countries understood and expessed no objections. The whole world supported America!"
Peggy, I am sorry to have to be the one to tell you this, but virtually none of the paragraph I quoted above is true.
There was never a time when the whole world supported bombing or an invasion of Afghanistan by the United States. Arabian countries were horrified but said nothing; among other reasons they were nervous about becoming the next victims.
I am not surprised that you had another impression. You have only repeated what the mainstream American media were saying. But just because they were saying it, does not make it true. They have been in the pockets of the White House spin doctors for a long time. And I have some 'outside perspective' on the whole dismal event because I have been following foreign news media for even longer.
In a nutshell, the entire War On Terror is a fraud. Not just the misadventure in Iraq, the whole thing. It's all bogus. And much of the world has known it all along.
The Taliban did in fact offer to extradite Osama bin Laden, for a trial in an international court, but only if the USA provided some evidence implicating him in the attacks of 9/11. There was no such evidence, so none could be produced. Instead, our so-called diplomats huffed and puffed and pretended to be miffed with the idea that Afghanistan, who they claimed was "harboring terrorists", would have the audacity to try to set the ground rules.
But Bush and his cronies didn't want to try bin Laden for the crimes of 9/11. They wanted to pound on Afghanistan, and they had wanted to do so for a long time. It may seem strange since Afghanistan has no oil reserves to speak of. But it was not about reserves. It was about a pipeline. UNOCAL wanted to build a pipeline, to carry natural gas from the Caspian Sea to India, where ENRON was planning to burn it and generate electricity for the huge and growing Indian energy market. But the Taliban told UNOCAL to take a hike. And that was their undoing.
All the other horrible things the Taliban had done didn't matter a bit to Bush and his cronies, but as soon as they messed with UNOCAL and ENRON, their days were numbered. American troops were massing in the neighborhood of Afghanistan for months before 9/11, under cover of a war game. But it was no game. It was the prelude to an invasion.
If you want to get to the truth about 9/11 and the so-called War on Terror, this site is a great place to start.
COMMENT #69 [Permalink]
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ATTY JIMMO
said on 1/17/2005 @ 6:59 pm PT...
Peggy: once again you are a liar about Social Security:
DAVID BRODER, WASHINGTON POST 1998:
Who Will Rescue Social Security?
By David S. Broder
Sunday, November 29, 1998; Page C07
On two of the biggest issues confronting Congress and the Clinton administration --- Social Security and Medicare --- it is hard to find anyone optimistic about action in the coming year. Everyone I interviewed agrees there may be a small window of opportunity --- six to eight months --- to deal with these two vital programs before the politics of the next election overwhelm everything. But few of those interviewed at either end of Pennsylvania Avenue have high hopes.
AND BILL CLINTON 1998:
"What should we do with this projected surplus?" Clinton said. "I have a simple four-word answer: Save Social Security first."
Soon Clinton was going around the country, touting a coming Social Security "crisis." All of his administration's economic achievements, he said in February 1998, "are threatened by the looming fiscal crisis in Social Security." There should be no new spending — or, more importantly, no tax cuts — "before we take care of the crisis in Social Security that is looming when the baby boomers retire."
A number of Clinton's arguments back then sound uncannily like Bush's today, if one makes a few adjustments for newly revised figures on Social Security's finances. "We have a great opportunity now to take action now to avert a crisis in the Social Security system," Clinton said, again in February 1998. "By 2030, there will be twice as many elderly as there are today, with only two people working for every person drawing Social Security. After 2032, contributions from payroll taxes will only cover 75 cents on the dollar of current benefits. So we must act, and act now, to save Social Security."
PEGGY YOU AND YOUR FILTHY LIES ABOUT THE HEALTHY STATUS OF SOCIAL SECURITY SICKEN ME. PLEASE LEAVE MY BEAUTIFUL COUNTRY.
COMMENT #70 [Permalink]
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atty jimmo
said on 1/17/2005 @ 7:02 pm PT...
Winter patriot, free bird, etc:
What is with these epistles that you write here?
Do you think that anybody really bothers to read in entirety your stupor driven burned out montagues of prose?
NOBODY DOES! You are writing CHAPTERS to yourselves! Get a CLUE!
COMMENT #71 [Permalink]
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Peggy
said on 1/17/2005 @ 7:05 pm PT...
Hi, Winter Patriot - Thanks for your comments and info in #68. Where we agree is that DUMYA's "vision" of spreading freedom and democracy" in the region is a fraud. And where HIS GANG had an opportunity to do so in Afghanistan, they chose instead to bomb the Iraqi people.
I have a question for our legal eagles. Can DUMYA be tried for treason against the American people? Is treason only betraying the American government, or selling information to another government? Can lies and fraud committed to the detriment of the American people, for the benefit of corporate interests, be treason? What if these corporate interests are multi-national or even off-shore based? When lies and fraud put the lives of American soldiers unnecessarily at risk, resulting in the deaths and maimings, is this treason? Can misrepresenting the facts surrounding the people's Social Security be deemed treason, where the trust fund can be raided by the Administration for other purposes, and financial institutions benefit when Americans are forced to invest in the stock market to try and raise money for their old age? What exactly is the definition of treason? Is it decided by Congress, or the courts? Many thanks in advance for any responses.
COMMENT #72 [Permalink]
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Peg C
said on 1/17/2005 @ 7:12 pm PT...
Thanks for that comment, Winter Patriot. As I've said before many times, 9/11 was the best thing that every happened to Bush. Couldn't have planned it better himself.
COMMENT #73 [Permalink]
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Freebird
said on 1/17/2005 @ 7:17 pm PT...
Thank you Val Zudell & Peggy, and all the other fine contributions others have made to this thread. I've been enjoying the reads!
The thoughts about military hierachy is a good question! I was just reading about the officer who decided not to return to Iraq and face court martial instead. I noticed how he was immediately hopped on as a "coward" by other officers and probably more interesting, was the response of his units military chaplain who said he was "ashamed" of him.
I found that interesting coming from a chaplain, who makes you wonder if he really has individual soldiers best interests in mind or is simply military messenger instead of a messenger of God? Or is there such a distinction in the new American Military, which is more and more infiltrated by Christian Dominionists?
The disobeying soldier has already served one tour of duty and has refused a second as an alleged conscientious objector. He may be charged soon?
Probably most distrurbing to the Pentagon is that more and more officers and enlisted men are either refusing orders or simply disappearing. My understanding is these numbers are in the tens of thousands as the Bush White House struggles with scraping the barrel to fill demand. Which is why so many National Guard units have been deployed and probably why they are rapidly and quietly setting up all the mecahnisms for a military draft.
Even though I don't think they want a draft, it may become a necessity if Bush wants in invade Iran, as is becoming more likely by the week. A draft would bring plenty of so-called undesireables into George Bush's nice clean Christian killing machine, with not every potentially new drafted soldier marching in lock step with the sheep.
I guess what I find even more disturbing is that the officer refusing to return was told he was fighting to save the place of the original "Garden of Eden"? When you combine that with other right-wing Christian rhetoric coming out of Iraq, like the "Face of Satan" is in Fallujah, along with militant right-wing Christian rhetoric here at home, you really start to get a sense that US military chaplains, and the military itself, are stoking religious warfare and violence as either a battle motivation...or as a sincere and insane bibilical call to arms in a crusade against a Muslim country?
When you have Generals from the Pentagon going to churches declaring GOD CHOSE GEORGE W. BUSH TO BE PRESIDENT, one can only wonder just what the Pentagon hierachy is truly composed of and whether their loyalty is to the American people and the Constitution, or to a right-wing Christian Dominioninst President "chosen by God"? And you can only further wonder just how far this religious indoctrination is being pumped into young hearts and minds to kill...to torture...to commit war crimes that will be absolved by "God" and "his President"?
No need for George W. Bush, his corrupt Cheney-led entourage, or "his" military, to feel accountable for the War in Iraq or War Crimes, when those crimes are committed in the service of GOD! Is it a crime to kill in God's name...so they may justify? Is it even a worry that Muslim men, women, and children are massacred, when George Bush himself will tell you they're not going to HEAVEN anyway because they don't know Jesus?
So are they concerned about "collateral damage" at the White House? Or are all these people simply human garbage not worthy of life and only less than human subjects standing in the way of oil and gas schemes and Christian Crusades?
I guess what I'm getting at, disturbingly, is that even with a Pentagon hierachy in place, just how much of that hierachy is corrupted my militant Christian Dominionist indoctrination or simply the power of a corrupt bureaucracy part of a profit-making Military Industrial Complex protecting a global energy consortium?
Just more food for thought? Any dessert?
Freebird
COMMENT #74 [Permalink]
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joan
said on 1/17/2005 @ 7:36 pm PT...
"Yeah, Freedom went on a fucking march and marched right out of town! Probably drowned in the Euphrates."
Lol, Teresa!
You are in fine form tonight, friends.
And to the writer of #70, yes, I for one do read them. Because it's important. Because the state of the country matters to us. YOU need to read them, you could learn something.
COMMENT #75 [Permalink]
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Peggy
said on 1/17/2005 @ 7:39 pm PT...
Dear Atty Jimmo - I don't think there is necessarily any conflict between the different articles you and I quote. I will research this more as and when I have time. But 1998 Clinton refers to the year 2032 and payment of $0.75 on the dollar, where as the more up-to-date 2004 information from the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office refers to the year 2052 and payment of $0.80 on the dollar. While everyone may agree that something needs to be done, DUMYA's inference that Social Security will be bankrupt by the year 2018 appears to be untrue, and his rush to privatize part of Social Security highly suspect. Personnally, don't believe a single word that struggles out of his mouth. Sorry, Jimmo - but that 's the way it is.
COMMENT #76 [Permalink]
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joan
said on 1/17/2005 @ 7:44 pm PT...
btw, re #70...."montagues"??? lol! I guess you meant monologues, but jeez, dude, invest in a dictionary. I'm getting embarrassed for you.
COMMENT #77 [Permalink]
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horkus
said on 1/17/2005 @ 7:55 pm PT...
You know, some people who comment on this site (I won't mention who) are people who people who believe what they want to believe no matter how much you push the truth in front of them. Have you met these people? The fat bald guy who thinks he's hot shizzz. The guy who won't believe that his pristine virgin wife is sleeping with five other guys on the side. If you tell these kind of guys the truth, it would kill them. So they go on believing what they want to believe, and when you push the truth in front of them, they throw it back at you as hard as they can. Telling a Republican the truth about his party is like talking to a brick wall.
COMMENT #78 [Permalink]
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Arry
said on 1/17/2005 @ 9:12 pm PT...
Re post #73: Freebird said: "I guess what I'm getting at, disturbingly, is that even with a Pentagon hierachy in place, just how much of that hierachy is corrupted my militant Christian Dominionist indoctrination or simply the power of a corrupt bureaucracy part of a profit-making Military Industrial Complex protecting a global energy consortium?"
I imagine there is some conflict between the two groups in the Pentagon. Personally, I think the core through decades has been protection and advancement of the energy consortium and a globalization of ever-concentrating corporate plutocracy. After WWII, there was little hesitation in openly promoting American corporate power throughout the world. Many of the people involved undoubtedly sincerely believed that world peace would come with globalization. (Much of their thought was, as it always is throughout history, rationalization of class and national interests.) Many of those same people were "liberals" of the old school.
But there has always been a major fly-in-the-ointment. Corporatization is not only a method of getting things done, it is a way of shirking moral responsibility and of ignoring things that really matter to life on the planet in favor of corporate goals. As society becomes more and more corporatized, real human concerns, the real moral cultural center fades and is replaced by manipulation, which in that barren environment, spreads like a cancer, and colonizes every aspect of being, and you get a population of moral idiots being led around by marketers and celebrities. Civic action and responsibility becomes a sideshow - the main action is the circus of corporate culture.
Bear with me --- seems like I'm off the subject, but I'm getting back to it. In this circus, this glittering womb there is a kind of febrile, sickly energy feeding off the remains of cultural morality (morality that grew from the ground up in real human cultures) This is where the Bushites come in. They are the representatives and spokespersons of this illness. A cult that can no longer distinguish marketing/manipulation from reality. It is quite clear from their statements that this is the case. And they have their representatives (or vice versa) in positions of power, including the military. The Dominionists serve the purpose of (and are probably central in) this cult of irrationality and compulsive global extortion (with the usual cultish fantasies of violence). (I wouldn't put much emphasis on the religious aspects. It's a pathological condition.)
In some ways, it is like the Pan-German movement prior to and after WWI with members reaching the highest levels of government and the military, always looking for ways to fulfill their fantasies of glory and globalization. This is why the Bush administration has such a strong cultish feel about it. It can easily lead to disaster as it did in Europe. We are on the brink, really.
Our weapons? We can call our Founders very flawed, but they left us a legacy we can build upon and develop; and it's core, it's seed may help pull us out for the time being. (We'll have to fix a lot of things, too.) History in a larger sense is our weapon and where we far surpass those who would erase or sanitize the past (as in MLK today and our government/corporate Big Brother).
We'll have to speak of language. I have a feeling that Freebird and I, at least, will have some ironing out to do with the term "democracy". (Freebird, I'm with you on most of what you say, by the way.) We will have to define and work out the terms from the ground up, so to speak, and not accept definition by fiat. This actually may be the most important thing we can do - the working it out.
COMMENT #79 [Permalink]
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Lori
said on 1/17/2005 @ 10:01 pm PT...
Post #64 contained an older, now invalid, e-mail address for Senator Boxer's petition site.
The correct address is:
http://ga4.org/campaign/ricehearings
My sincere and humble apologies.
COMMENT #80 [Permalink]
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bluebird
said on 1/17/2005 @ 10:20 pm PT...
Lori, I signed the petition and sent it to my email circle.
COMMENT #81 [Permalink]
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Lori
said on 1/17/2005 @ 10:50 pm PT...
Thanks, bluebird. The petition signatures have increased by a couple of thousand in the past three hours.
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Ian Herold
said on 1/18/2005 @ 1:02 am PT...
...bluebird said on 1/17/2005 @ 1:14pm PT...
"I think somebody's paying this guy to keep us busy and divert our energy. I'm gonna go email some senators."
Bluebird, you've hit the nail on the head. When you "feed" this "troll", you're wasting your "food". All of this arguing with this worthless clown just makes him feel legitimate, and causes him to spew more gas.
He's only baiting you people, and you're being quite foolish to acknowledge him.
One of you suggested to Brad to ban him. No need. Ignore him. He'll fade away like the smell of a dead rat, eventually.
Most of you people are focused on very important issues here. Don't allow yourself to be sidetracked by this fraudulent gasbag. He's incapable of learning from your arguments. He only feeds off the attention, and uses it to dump more crap on this blog. Just let him go, and give your attention to what is important. It's certainly not him.
COMMENT #83 [Permalink]
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Teresa
said on 1/18/2005 @ 3:03 am PT...
Arry, #78...You get a population of moral idiots being led around by marketers and celebrities. The main action is the circus of corporate culture.
Absolutely, but this circus is created out of collective desire. You can dismantle the whole corporate structure and it would only be re-created, until the need behind all of this is addressed. There is something in the brain chip at this point that makes populations build structures that become progressively oppressive and immoral. There is a need for some almighty power to both follow and resist. the concept of God doesn't work... it is too intangible.
However, there also seems to be in the chip the desire to extricate the group from this dominance. So we go back and forth, cycling between total control, and newfound liberation.
I really don't believe that corporate power and global domination really has the advantage. It's merely a player in the game. We perceive it as almighty, when under its influence, since its hard to see beyond.
True democracy and the ability to govern wisely will come with experience. The seeds are planted in our minds, and I think now is a time when these seeds should be nourished. It takes constant trial and error. I believe a lot of mistakes are being made by the plutocracy now. And infighting always weakens them tremendously. It is logistically impossible to control the whole population of the planet.
I don't think the Christian Dominionists are a problem.They'll have to come up with a better way than that to control us. The use of the rage against Satan in Fallujah to craze the soldiers was just a hook for the age old military technique of psychotic arousal. It just fit the circumstance. It's the same old thing... music, nationalism, sreaming rage at some fictitious all-powerful force. How else can you get someone to do such an insane act as murder another person? They've got the act down.
Actually, if they really had power and could control us, their behavior would be undetected, and we would believe we were completely happy and content. They haven't managed to pull that off yet. They are just as afraid as we are. Believe me, the tsunami scared everyone. The possibility of some Godlike force is also in the chip. No one is in charge.
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Da Wookie
said on 1/18/2005 @ 4:21 am PT...
Just out of interest, from a nation that still has a (moderately) free press
The BBC coverage of the whole US/UK/Iraq debacle has been balanced and definitely NO butt kissing.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/...alking_point/4169287.stm
Tell your friends and spread the link, this can help dispell the myth that everyone else in the world agrees with emperor Dubya.
The overall opinion seems to (strangely enough) negative with most, if not all, postive comments from people in the US.
Keep the faith!.
COMMENT #85 [Permalink]
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ATTY JIMMO
said on 1/18/2005 @ 5:45 am PT...
Funds for elderly will flow to stock market
Clinton to back Social Security privatization
9 December 1998
The Clinton administration opened a two-day bipartisan conference on Social Security Tuesday amid press reports that the White House has decided to back some form of privatization for the retirement system that supports more than 40 million US pensioners.
The Washington Post carried a front-page story December 8 that the administration has narrowed its options on Social Security to five alternatives, "a series of proposals that would include some form of stock market investment for the first time in the program's history."
http://www.wsws.org/news...98/dec1998/soc-d09.shtml
PEGGY: SO WHEN WILL YOU APOLOGIZE THAT BUSH IS LYING ABOUT A SOCIAL SECURITY CRISIS?
COMMENT #86 [Permalink]
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czaragorn
said on 1/18/2005 @ 12:50 pm PT...
The comet Repugnatron is on a fer-sher collision course with Earth, but fortunately it will release only anti-radiation upon impact. That means that all the anti-etceteras we don't like will be wrong, but our own antis will be OK, since they're basically anti-antis - we're talking antirapture here. Is that clear, Jimmo, pretender to that most universally despised of all professions?
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Teresa
said on 1/18/2005 @ 1:00 pm PT...
Bush is in fact lying about a social security crisis.
We all know that.
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Peg C
said on 1/18/2005 @ 2:48 pm PT...
Arry (#78) and Teresa (somewhat farther along) -
Excellent feeling for corporate dehumanization of society. Applause!
There is a tangible holiness in this world, though; you just have to be open to it, connected to it in some sense. Stand in a wild place, or at least a quiet place with a tree or two, and just exist for a time. Listen for a bird, listen to the wind, feel your way into the fractal intricacy of a leaf or a feather. Then you may be able to explain, at least to yourself, why the preservation of this planet is something you are willing to die for.
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Teresa
said on 1/18/2005 @ 5:21 pm PT...
Amen, Peg C.
I've always believed these good things would prevail. They always have. Destructive people come and go. Life knows how to deal with them.
We are the lucky ones who continue to preserve, protect, and appreciate these "fractal intricacies."
In fact, I am going out right now to breathe the moist evening air and look at the stars.
COMMENT #90 [Permalink]
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Peg C
said on 1/18/2005 @ 6:02 pm PT...
Teresa - I'm not tempted at the moment. It's below zero out there, and windy. But it's beautiful. I think I'll let that be a matter of faith (!) this evening.
COMMENT #91 [Permalink]
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Arry
said on 1/18/2005 @ 8:11 pm PT...
I've been caught in an IRS snafu all afternoon and was hoping to get back here sooner. What a day.
Teresa said in #83: "...this circus is created out of collective desire. You can dismantle the whole corporate structure and it would only be re-created, until the need behind all of this is addressed."
But why do people desire it? Many people, including most of our ancestors, would have thought it overwhelmingly crass and destructive of community and morality and individuality. Isn't it kind of an incremental thing - the the frog in the boiling water? Or is it simply that people like to be part of power and wealth - the rulers of the universe? It is certainly not related to happiness. I saw a psychological study - wish I could find it - to measure, as well as possible, the happiness of people in various places and cultures worldwide. The group that scored highest - the happiest people in the world?? - economically very poor Cubans. For what it is worth.
Maybe acceptance of corporate colonization and control of all aspects of life and thought is the famous "escape from freedom" or, could it be? - laziness?? The old Bertrand Russell quotation - something like - "Most people would rather die than think and in fact do." There is always someone there to do it for them. But that's cyclic, too, probably. There may be times of awareness and we may be entering one.
I believe you are right about historical cycles. I also agree with you that the corporatization is a covering and that many possibilities are lurking under the surface of human character. It is easy and natural to think what surrounds us is permanent - but, no, it is really an instant of historical development, possibly even an aberration.
. "True democracy and the ability to govern wisely will come with experience. The seeds are planted in our minds, and I think now is a time when these seeds should be nourished. It takes constant trial and error. I believe a lot of mistakes are being made by the plutocracy now. And infighting always weakens them tremendously. It is logistically impossible to control the whole population of the planet."
Yes. Though the technology they control for "total information awareness" and the like is disturbing. Hitler and Stalin certainly didn't have those kinds of tools. But I agree, nobody is ever as smart or in control as they appear.
"They are just as afraid as we are."
More, I think. Fear is the environment in which they live. They are not brave souls. Dr. King was a brave soul. Gandhi was a brave soul. Millions of people probably are. Let us hope.
COMMENT #92 [Permalink]
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Teresa
said on 1/18/2005 @ 11:22 pm PT...
Arry,
The reason we create these systems is a question that can be studied endlessly.
I think the helplessness we feel in an overwhelming universe is a large part of it.... we seek a parental substitute. Maybe as they fail to do the job...give us security... we become more and more desperate, and the systems get worse and worse. We rage at them for not providing what we want. Then we attack them, and eventually tear them down. All of them... monarchies, dictatorships, democracies, you name it.
I think the search for wealth is also an attempt to fill the huge void that seems to be an inescapable part of human existence. I am interested in that study of the Cubans. The secret to happiness, I think , is a contentment with what you have, but I also think that includes a close relationship and love of nature, and a rich emotional and spiritual life. These things can be taught, I believe.
It baffles me, this search for excessive wealth and power. It seems that it would be painful, having to protect it all and live in fear of losing it. And the fact that all of that acquisition leaves you still empty and longing for more. Sounds awful. To be miserable and have that maintenance nightmare.
There are such deep psychological problems with those that inflict pain on others to achieve what they think they want. If only somehow we can avoid a contract with them. Somehow refuse to participate. There are ways. Wisdom, knowledge, and metaphysical secrets are part of life too. Takes study.
I always attribute it all to our awkward stage of evolution. I don't think we are fully bipedal yet, so we are terrified and extremely uncomfortable on our feet. Notice how we seem to pitch forward and always try to get off our feet. I think this makes us vulnerable and we are so clumsy in our ways of protecting ourselves. Add all of our useless possessions, and it is entirely too much to care for.
There is something about the freedom and simplicity of those Cubans' life that creates room for joy.
What could be more joyous than a comfortable body loving the earth?
At any rate, yes, fear must be behind it all. That's why I find it hard to really be afraid of these horrible rulers. They are chasing there own tails.
It's true that the total information awareness attempt is frightening. But I imagine like all systems, it will fail.
We won't live without secrets and illusions.
I think there might be some illumination going on around our current leadership. In an attempt to have parental guidance, we have failed miserably. This one is a complet infant, incapable of leading anyone. So we are having to depend more on ourselves for guidance. This is both scary and extremely exciting and empowering. There also is no hero to follow like Ghandi or Dr. King, so I think this might be a tiny evolutionary step.
I have great faith. I am thrilled with the way we are getting to know one another in serious ways and experiencing this huge outpouring of ideas.
Nothing but good can come of it. I think we are learning that our survival and well-being depends on our own efforts.
COMMENT #93 [Permalink]
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LGM
said on 1/19/2005 @ 8:38 am PT...
Don't you wish the Jimmo and Bush and the rest of them would just go away and let us eat cake, like Marie Antoinette suggested, before she lost her head.
COMMENT #94 [Permalink]
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LGM
said on 1/19/2005 @ 9:03 am PT...
Speaking of Louis and Antionette, I would gladly separate Jimmo's head from pudgy little body. It really isn't doing anyone any good there. I would miss the malaprops, (what the hell is a "montagues of prose"?), but he's no Norm Crosby, and I don't think we can behead this President, so we will always have "Bushisms". If Peggy left OUR country, it would be a much less beautiful place. The mere fact that we have to allow you and people like you to live here, Jimmo, does make it a very ugly place sometimes, but that's freedom for you. I'd rather behead you than exile you, but I'm not as nice as Peggy.
"PEGGY YOU AND YOUR FILTHY LIES ABOUT THE HEALTHY STATUS OF SOCIAL SECURITY SICKEN ME. PLEASE LEAVE MY BEAUTIFUL COUNTRY.
...atty jimmo said on 1/17/2005 @ 7:02pm PT...
Winter patriot, free bird, etc:
What is with these epistles that you write here?
Do you think that anybody really bothers to read in entirety your stupor driven burned out montagues of prose?
NOBODY DOES! You are writing CHAPTERS to yourselves! Get a CLUE! "
COMMENT #95 [Permalink]
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LGM
said on 1/22/2005 @ 10:52 pm PT...
And thus we close that chapter of atty jimmo's brief traverse across the pages of the BradBlog.
It was a sad but comical chapter. A tragicomedy with a happy ending.
COMMENT #96 [Permalink]
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Bruce
said on 10/5/2006 @ 8:41 pm PT...
Dear Teresa, I’m sick and tire of all you "phonies" using our soldiers as a means of suppressing our freedom of speech. No one hates the soldiers; we just can not stand a liar like Bush. We dislike liars! Bush and Cheney have lied about so many things. They knew that there were no WMD's and so did you Teresa! Sadam was a "puppet on a string" for the USA. You know it and so do I and many others but we still keep playing that foolish "oil game". Yes, this war is about oil. We have control of the oil wells and in the long run, we will be making money off of the oil wells. You have to be really dumb not to see this.
Clinton lied about sex. Bush lies about everything else!!!!!!
COMMENT #97 [Permalink]
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Bruce
said on 10/5/2006 @ 8:58 pm PT...
Oh, yes Teresa, why don't you tell us HOW much money that Bush has removed from our social security fund??? Do you know? Bush has removed more money than any President we have ever had! Add up 35 years of removing money from our social security fund and guess what??? Bush has removed MORE money than in all 35 years added together! You have left that part out Teresa. Such an important FACT on Bush to leave out of your conversations. Let's look at the deficit. It's the highest that it has ever been in the history of America. You know it and so do I. He tells everyone that social security is floating on I.O.U.'s and then he wants to give illegal aliens, excuse me, UNDOCUMENTED WORKERS, social security benefits!