I was not able to find the video with Spanish subtitles at youtube, but based on the length it may have been this one with the subtitles changed from Italian to Spanish:
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It's great to see that along with Ireland, other countries are also starting to question these fraudulent machines!

FTI - Brad on Ring Of Fire - Next

http://www.airamerica.com/ringoffire/

Heres part of the problem with the Mexican elections
Them bastards can't keep their money grubbing paws out of anybodys business

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Floridiot

Kinda makes yer head want to explode after a while, don't it?

JoJ

Did I already miss Brad?

Does this quote sound like something we've heard before ?

"It was Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador's election to lose, and he lost," said Andrew Selee, director of the Mexico Institute at the Woodrow Wilson Center in Washington."

Saw this article in the St Pete times print, they don't have it online, so they tell the people something different in print than they have online ?, sounds about right (wing), so I got it here

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Naw, it makes me want to explode their heads after a while

Brad is up right after this commercial break....

Listening to Bobby makes me cry. He's SO wonderful.

another nice outfit, the name sends chills...

International Foundation for Election Systems

We need to smash these machines, figuratively if possible, literally if not. The time may have come for a good old-fashioned "tea party".

Musical Sounds of Resistance
to the beat of the Revolution

Floridiot!

Goddammit! They even beat me to my big international elections integrity idea... only, if it's based in DC, and not, say, Geneva, I'm not liking the smell of it either.

Patrick

I put my timber activism on hold in order to concentrate on evicting the criminal administration. Listening to Bobby Kennedy today, while waiting for Brad to come on, was very inspiring. Just maybe it can be figuratively....

Check this out on my IFES link above,

Why on Gods green earth, would these organizations be funding partners
State & Municipal Governments

* Virginia State Board of Elections
* Board of Elections and Ethics, District of Columbia
* Election Commission of Puerto Rico
* Office of the Secretary of State of Minnesota
* Office of the Secretary of State of Nebraska
* St. Louis County Board of Elections

Because they call their systems fair and balanced?

This IFES stinks to high heaven, just this one guy

"Don V. Cogman

Chairman of CC Investments, a private investment firm in Scottsdale, Arizona; former President and Chief Operating Officer Worldwide of Burson-Marsteller, a New York-based international marketing, communications and public relations firm; former Executive Vice-President of Young & Rubicam; Chairman of the National Federation of Independent Business Education Foundation; member of various boards, including the Acting Company and the Gaylord College of Journalism and Mass Communication at the University of Oklahoma; Presidential Appointee to the National Council of the National Endowment for the Arts. "

Where have I heard Burson Marsteller before ?

One of these guys were Bush for this Bush for that,

Like Stuart Holliday, I've ran across him before from looking through IRI stuff, part of his bio
"Assistant Policy Director to Governor George W. Bush in Texas; Executive Director of the Dallas Council on World Affairs; Regional Director for North Africa, the Middle East and Turkey at the International Republican Institute; United States Naval reserve officer."

Here, go check it out if your tummy can handle it

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I'm feeling fear. I won't be manipulated by it, but it's in my arms and legs. Just got done reminding Bob on another thread that we have FOUR piddly-ass months to nix these machines and get ballots we can hold and count and recount until EVERYONE feels secure about the election results. I may fall on my face in a minute.

Dang it - missed Brad, why'd I have to go prune a tree?

Thats OK 99, I feel anger
I see most, if not all of these outfits are 501 c3s
If we get rid of that designation and keep chasing them, they will go away. These outfits replaced the CIA in manipulating emerging (and established, pseudo) Democracies since Carter
Some of our politicians are aware, and want to rid us of these menaces, with a little push, they will topple

Something I noticed in long years of activism is that no matter how many obstacles you place in their paths, they always find work-arounds, ways to game the system --- their will to work their will is bottomless --- and it always ends up a bigger, thornier, knottier, pain in the ass, pain in the heart, to prune it back. It is the weed that never dies, Floridiot. The blindness is the apocalypse, and it makes no sense at all --- EVEN when billions can be made and world affairs manipulated. Letting life flourish organically, and civilization too, would produce so much more excellent results, so much more excellence. PERIOD.

Agent BB2

They'll be on again tomorrow at 1pm... Brad should pipe in at about 1:45pm PDT. He rocked. But, well, Bobby really touches me, and it isn't really even about his dad, his family. He has always worked his butt off for the little guys, for the people, for the planet, and you listen to him, unscripted, and even with his voice disability, it's music, really, really pretty music. So.

Brad has the aura of a gathering militia about him, very positive.

Bobby has the music of North America, when the air is hollow.

I'm doing a Zen thing today, seeing and hearing with something other than eyes and ears. It's pretty; it's scary; it's truth. Pruning is good! You can catch it tomorrow. xoxoxox

99 Thanks,

I'll be checking it out tomorrow.

Floridiot

The more I follow your links and look at all their glossy "aren't we doing good" bullshit, the more it creeps me out. What makes these people feel they have any right interfering in other countries' politics? Why do they know better than the people who live there how to run their country?

I don't even know how to express it --- it just plain creeps me out!

BB2, I know,I shouldn't post this stuff, but the point I've been trying to make all along is that all of these creepy outfits have the same tactics they are using here under a different guise.
They've taken everything that they've learned abroad, and turned it inwards on the American people
What you see going on "over there" is the same thing thats going on here, only its easier to pull it off here because we're all asleep, and they are all lawyered up and in the power positions to pull it off (i.e;Blackwell)

...Maybe I have it reversed, maybe they're trying it on us sleepy heads first, before they take it abroad

It sucks either way!

Al Giordano has some information on Vote Shaving and more here
http://www.narconews.com...Issue42/article1967.html

article just out from Narco News: http://www.narconews.com...Issue42/article1967.html

��Many observers have compared the post-electoral conflict in Mexico 2006 to that of 2000 in the United States. While there are indeed parallels (as well as distinctions) to be drawn, there is a very important difference in the equation, and it is societal: That part of the electorate in the United States that was robbed did not see any way to fight and overturn the fraud, or simply was too gullible or afraid to do so. In Mexico, however, the path exists, a critical mass of the Mexican populace understands exactly what was done to them and is ready to assume the ultimate risks to overturn the crime. At stake for global capital and its increasingly simulated �election� processes not just in Mexico but throughout the planet is the manufactured belief that nothing can be done. As occurred a century ago, with the Mexican revolution of 1910, Mexico is on the verge of, as Zapatista Subcomandante Marcos has often said, �amazing the world again.�

All of this being exposed could possibly be the hair that breaks the camel back, or at least help wake up a lot of the Sheepeople to stand with us when it our turn in November.

Yeah John #27, the "distinctions" from what I've figured out so far, is that the election laws are different in Mexico, and they are not directly in positions of power, except the PRI is, so therefore, they have to alter their tactics for each country, i.e; dumping ballots is easy, flopping electronically is the same, easier to manipulate ballots there, the town cops were filling in ballots at a police station in one of the cities in a Obrador stronghold (Oaxaca), thats why they were short ballots at the polling stations
This from an artical at NARCO
"And then there was a call saying that the state police barracks at Santa Maria Coyotepec held thousands of ballots which the troops were busily marking for distribution to the polls at the close of the day – a believable scenario given that so many polling places had “inadvertently” run out of ballots. The caller said his uncle, a police officer, just couldn’t bring himself to do it and blew the whistle. The uncle said the police had been working for three days to mark the ballots. The caller’s voice wavered with emotion as he described his uncle’s information."

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(whenever I refer to "they" or "them", I am referring to the fascistas at the IRI, IFES & who knows how many others)

That part of the electorate in the United States that was robbed did not see any way to fight and overturn the fraud, or simply was too gullible or afraid to do so. In Mexico, however, the path exists, a critical mass of the Mexican populace understands exactly what was done to them and is ready to assume the ultimate risks to overturn the crime. At stake for global capital and its increasingly simulated ?election?

Oh and here, a parallel, I read somewhere that a election volunteer was booted out of a polling place after the polls closed, then walked around the side of the building and saw the election officials carrying boxes of ballots out and throwing them in the dumpster
I think it was in South Florida '02
(wish I had the old Investigative reporter mentality, then I could irrefutably put this shit together, and throw it out there for all to see)

Nice name ? #29, We didn't see any way to fight the 2000 election, because we were asleep at the switch, and the big monied interests were totally prepared to the last "T"
Being a crime for a Corporation to donate any money to a political campaign, would be a hell of a good first step

Oh yeah, and one big important thing
They use the terror card in the US to block electoral civil unrest (remember Warren Co. Ohio)
As more awaken though, that too will change

"Viva Zapata!" "Viva Lopez-Obrador!" "Viva Clint Curtis!"

Has a nice ring to it.

Jeez, sorry, I had a Burson Marsteller as a saved link from my earlier odessey, I must have thought it was creepy enough to save
So creepy in fact, I saved it twice !
Pretty much every piece of Government to Media Propaganda
comes from this outfit, along with Young & Rubicon

(remember Don V Cogman from # 15 post above ?)

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All of this is connected somehow

RLM,
That would be, VIVA Cleent Curteese

The only thing I see connected so far is the middle man of voting machine systems sales worldwide (IFES) and election tactics (the IRI), & the propaganda arm of our Government (Burson Marsteller)
nice and cozy, eh ?

And the conservatives used to bitch about "one world government" they claimed the Dems were for. In fact, it now appears that, as we (USA) are so disliked by the rest of the world's governments, they'll try to game friendly govs into place worldwide...
Damn damn damn...

Damn, I forgot the fourth connection, to these states no less up on post #13
Are they next to go bad ? (if not already)
Remember Nebraska ? Chuck Hagel ? President of ES&S ?
Elections are getting closer and closer every election cycle in MN also

WOW! Don't look for THIS news in the MSM!

Does anyone know, were there exit polls in this race?

You guys out in California better check and see if your buddy Arnold and McPherson have any relations with these outfits, especially the IFES

Hey Brad ?, how many connections do I need to start a good conspiracy theory ?

Close elections...close opinion polls. Maybe it's time for more private opinion polls. I haven't trusted Gallup in a long time. Don't think there are that many people who like being poor and turning back to the middle ages...watching the planet burn up because of greed. Maybe big oil knew they had to steal the 2000 election because Al Gore would make them be responsible..pay taxes etc. Then when they say how easy it was, just kept on doing it.

I owe the IFES find to this meeting, (I stumbled across it) the guy representing IFES was a questioner after the first woman spoke, she at first said that the Mexican elections were not important, so she wasn't going to talk about them much, then thats all she talked about and that sucked me in, that and the introducer kept telling everyone present that the meeting was "ON THE RECORD"

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Floridiot #30

'm not sure if this is the incident you were thinking of, but it is similar if not the same: Dueling lawyers, election officials gnashing teeth, Votergate.tv film crew catching it all.

BB2, I don't know, I look for it (thank god for the history folder)

By the way , do you think my findings are worth a second look ? or do you think these outfits are all above board

Floridiot re #45: I understand that your question:

do you think my findings are worth a second look ? or do you think these outfits are all above board

was intended for Bluebear 2 and not for me but if you will forgive me for throwing in my two cents:

I think they are definitely worth a second look, and I would be shocked --- shocked!! --- if any of them turned out to be "above board".

I'll have more on this later maybe, but for now let's just say WP thinks you are on a very good track.

Heh WP, I was just joking to try to get a response like yours, thanks

I was wondering whether the voter turnout had any influence on the manner in which the Mexican people are dealing with their election. Such as if a huge turnout produced a large proportion of the total populace which was angry enough to protest as they are.

Here's my findings based on the "official" results:

Per Wikipedia.org The turnouts were: USA - 42.45% Mexico - 58.90%

Andrés Manuel López Obrador received 35.31% of the Mexican vote.

58.9% x .351 = 20.67% of the population.

John Kerry received 48.3% of the American vote.

42.45% x .483 = 20.5% of the population.

WAKE UP AMERICA!

Floridiot #45

LOL, I guess Winter took care of that one!

BB2: Are you saying you agree with me?

I know its Sunday and all, and no one has put bruises on my neck yet and I'm not being driven to Valdosta to a small motel, so I'm going to keep looking at this for now

Winter Patriot #50

I usually do!

PS Thanks to you and Ronny for restoring > #183

Hi Brad,
My can't seem to post on your site anymore,I'll try by signing up again,keep up the good work!!
In Peace,
Jeannie King

Jeannie King

Welcome Back!

Jeannie King

You need to fix the link at your name - it goes to nowhere as it is. Needs the full URL address.

Agent BB2

I think she means TPM Cafe... an offshoot of Talking Points Memo... but when I go there, the page is all jumbled up at the the top.

Stories like this one are EXACTLY why I come here for news. Was this in the MSM anywhere?

Seriously, if this was not in the MSM anywhere, will those of you who doubt that the MSM is suppressing stories now please believe us??? If this story was in the MSM ANYWHERE...please post a link to it.

wow, Floridiot, you ain't no idiot at all! nice work!

i definitely think there's more to this. even if it isn't a full-blown, One World Order conspiracy to control everything right under everyone's noses, it's still too cozy and incestuous. they don't have to invade and destroy it if they can just control it all, eh? it's less expensive, too, and they can give jobs to all their frineds to perpetuate the web of influence throughout.

Big Dan, Heh Are you for real ?

Yes Des, that pretty much sums it up
If we get too close, and we are on the right track, we'll know about it I'm sure
As F*#k head would say, "Bring em on", this is our plutoc.. er Democracy at stake here

Also, you guys might have run with the ball
Did I mention the coincidental big SUV with black tinted windows that was driving by the house real slow today ?

I noticed it earlier...a couple of times, maybe they want to buy it ? (its not for sale)
ooooo weeee ooooo

Agent 99 #56

I think it may be: http://www.tpmcafe.com/

Agent Floridiot!

Quit creeping me out! If you don't, you'll have to post at least once every fifteen minutes so I know you're safe!

It was weird, my wife (who knows nothing about this for all the super snoopers out there)
We were standing in the garage, and she said "whos that"
and I glanced up and it (SUV) was sitting at the end of the driveway, I didn't think anything of it and was looking at something else, and she said "are they taking pictures ?" I looked up and it was driving away, and I said "with the windows rolled up?"
Just like James Bond eh?

Floridiot

Might be time to contact Mulder and Scully!

:) Maybe that was them !, damn I should have asked for their autograph !!!
But seriously, who the hell knows whats going on, like McPherson just throwing away the cert rules
Something is REALLY up and I hope to God we can nail their asses to the wall for something (like this deal above)

And remember this, speaking of Mulder and Scully

Is W an alien ?, or did Beelzebub have a wardrobe malfuntion

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Hey! Agents Sculder and Mully are triple-deep cover on Z Files now.

Shhhhhhhhh....

It MAY partially be due to good old CYA bureaucratism. It is THE number one motivator of any bureaucrat or public official. It isn't so much that they're trying to screw us, as that they are trying not to lose their jobs; trying to keep groups of complainers at bay; trying to APPEAR as if they are paragons of probity, and all these (us) clowns are just hysterical or something.

Floridiot #68

Being the proprietor of a small zoo collected by my kids, I can honestly say that he has ear mites!

Agent 99

Oops - didn't mean to blow their cover.

Funny how a person never runs across this guy when they're out and about around election time

"He also serves as senior director of IFES’ U.S. Election Services unit where IFES has offered technical advisory services to more than a dozen U.S. States and jurisdictions." (swings ?)

He"s their "Programs and strategic operations" man

I don't know about you, but why can't we just have free and fair elections in the US ?
This outfit proves to me that we don't, and if you think otherwise, let me know
A while back I was saying that a third party or a progressive candidate doesn't have a chance here, (remember the Dean scream ?, these are the FUCKERS that set that up)
well now I can tell you that a populist candidate anywhere in the world doesn't stand a chance with these maggots oozing forth
If you don't believe me, just go to their site and look at all the maggots' backgrounds

We should be going after this outfit with both barrels a blazin
I just Hope Brad sics Greg on them

This link puts some of the pieces of the Evil Empire together
Link

I thought the evil empire was Iran and North Korea. George W. Bush told me that, and he wouldn't lie, would he?

RLM #75

LMAO - (Wiping pepsi nasal spray off monitor!)

Floridot #62 -

You've got black SUV's, I've got bombs!

3:00 this morning we were awoken to the loudest explosion I had ever heard - shook the whole house. This morning I found the remains of a large firecracker in the street and figured that was it, although it seemed small for so much noise.
Later my wife found the remains of a plastic soda bottle on our front porch. It had been blown to pieces by something inside of it. Pieces were stuck in the mortar of the bricks and the front door.
We're hoping it was just some teenage prank with stuff left over from the fourth, but a video camera and recorder are now focused on our porch.

Agent BB2!

KAOS may be on to you! Have they been acting strangely at the A/C design torture center? Be careful. Strap your code book to your chest, and don't forget the guinea pig!

Jolt Cola

I think they followed me in the black SUV from Floridiot's links. Saw some old guy in the back seat smoking a cigarette.

Is there any new news regarding Mexico? It seems to have dried up even at Raw Story.

I thought I saw some at the gourmet Mexican lunch wagon today, but it was in Spanish. A Guatemalan once asked me why I didn't speak Spanish, and I said, "Because mi cabesa no trabajo...." The guy, literally, fell over laughing in the dirt of the Tikal ruins. He told me, when he finally recovered, that I'd told him, very poorly, that I didn't speak Spanish because my head didn't have a job. I meant my brain didn't work, didn't do other languages, and he, bless him, got it.

We think we're so frickin smart... when just about any Joe, anywhere in the rest of the world, not only knows English, but knows it well enough to tell how badly you're mangling their language, and what you actually meant to say. But, no. We're the top dogs. Sheesh.

Almost asked the kids standing next to me to read me the paper, but then I realized they were indians from the local rancheria....

Maybe they're busily recounting the votes... including the dumpster ballots. Maybe we should tune to BBC to find out!

For Bluebear 2: The New York Times is following the Mexican situation, albeit on an inside page. The latest development is two photos that evidently show overt fraud by Calderon's supporters. One observer (with an American name) in Mexico City was quoted in today's article as saying Lopez-Obrador has made a strong case for recounting the votes. In any event, the result has not been certified, and won't be until late August.

Lopez-Obrador has called for (peaceful) demonstrations against a stolen election. He must be a conspiracy theorist.

RLM, well at least we can tell everyone he isn't a Dem, anyways

Re The Mexican election:

Lambert Strether has posted This link of a worker stuffing the ballot box at Brad's "Former Bush Appointed EAC Chair Decries Lack of Standards for Running Elections in the U.S." thread.