Ah yes - give C. & Pals a ticket to enjoy the leisurely, tropical get-away spa at Guantanamo. The Lemon Chicken is delicious, so we've been told.

{ed note: Deleted. Atty Jimmo posting under a different name. When he posts as Atty Jimmo again his posts will be allowed to stay.}

What flavor cool aid ya got there James???

James is foolish, I think.

What was that James? Could you yell just a little louder?

BTW, when are you going to enlist to go to Iraq?

JIMMO why don't you start your own blog ,you seen to have a lot to say and you might generate a "following" of your own.

Huffington is reporting that Cheney went to the hospital today but the SS doesn't want anyone to know. Shouldn't the U.S. be concerned about the health of the VP who could be having his fourth heart attack?

So all those "detainees" are just on vacation? on the government's payroll?? OUTRAGEOUS!!

I DEMAND that Bush supporters be shown the same courtesy, since they supported Bush's wars & such it only fare they get the courtesy getaway in the exotic & envogue camp Gitmo.

When they incarcerate Cheney I hope he's at least treated to a 24/7 "maximum" serviced "dry spa" cube in Block D, or better yet, treat him to one of those "open-air" calethetics group-therapies,, what do the kids call them today,, oh yes,, chain-gangs.

The sooner that Bush, Cheney, and Co. can admit to the torture and pain they have authorized, the sooner the healing can begin.

Then, perhaps, the rest of world can start to forgive us and *maybe* even give us a fraction of the respect that we used to have from them.

The sooner that Bush, Cheney, and Co. can admit to the torture and pain they have authorized, the sooner the healing can begin.

Then, perhaps, the rest of world can start to forgive us and *maybe* even give us a fraction of the respect that we used to have from them.

Jerry #7
----U.S. be concerned about the health of the VP who could be having his fourth ----

Only reason for concern is if he survives.

About the 'well fed' at Gitmo item. If they are shackeled and hung from the ceiling how then do they get to eat the great food? Or is that part of the torture?

Well, it's official. Rove made lies about liberals and 9/11, the Democrats whined, and the Republican party leaders told them to fuck off.

Have the Democrats learned their lesson yet? When will they stop playing defense and force the issue? When will they learn that the media is not on their side?
Pelosi's useless, they need to let Conyers take charge.
The more I see Pelosi, the faster I think the Democratic party should throw in the towel.

Now we have someone at the U.N. saying that someone in Washington told him that we did in fact torture detainees at Guantanamo. That would be a violation of the Geneva Convention and no doubt a number of U.N. covenants.

Meanwhile we have a guy who hates the U.N. and whom Bush wants to "reform" it waiting to be confirmed by the Senate.

If Bolton were confirmed, how could he persuade his fellow ambassadors that the U.N. source was lying? Or would his mission of reform include changing the way the rest of the world sees torture?

I can hear it now. The ambassador from Swaziland comes up to him and asks politely, "Mr. Bolton, if Mr. Bush is impeached on account of violating the Geneva Convention, will you still be your country's ambassador here?" X@##!@%X@!

As Shakespeare would say, "The plot thickens."

{Can't you Neo-Cons follow one fucking rule?! You've been advised again and again, DO NOT POST COMPLETE ARTICLES! You can post a paragraph or two with a link. Show some fucking respect, Jimmo! You're a fucking disgrace.}

Thomas L. Friedman, a Middle-Eastern hawk who has supported Bush's Iraq policy from the start, recently called for Guantanamo to be shut down.

If we keep it open because Jimmy Carter has to be wrong, then how to we explain our decision to Friedman?

And what do we do about the Bush administration source who admitted to a U.N. official that we have in fact tortured detainees at Guantanamo?

#18 RLM --

Yes, interesting... what do we do about the facts...

Jimmo - So now you just cut and paste Ann Coulter comments instead of coming up with your own? You conservatives love that "rugged individualst, I don't need no gumbermint" image don't you? Stuck in adolescent insecurities I suppose. God forbid you should have your buddies see you process some information (like this mother of all lying campagins directly responsible for needless misery and death called Operation Iraqi Freedom) and change your mind. Does fear of appearing whimpy just rule every action of you guys all day long? What a burden! OK I will do a cut and paste too, from the original Rugged Individualist Republican Teddy Roosevelt: "Behind the ostensible government sits enthroned an invisible government owing no allegiance and acknowledging no responsibility to the people. " Never was this more true as life under the Shrub.

This directly to Jimmo and the other neocons that are of course welcome at this site.

I changed my mind! I made a mistake! As with about 99.9 percent of other liberals I was in full support of going after Al Quaida in Afganistan. I even, very reluctantly supported going into Iraq....there I said it. But only after hearing Colin Powell give his presentation to the world with the aerial photos and intellegence supporting everything. He scared the shit out of me and my family comes first, I figured here is one guy in the Bush admin. with integrity, it has to be true or Colin Powell would not say it. I bought that crap, I was naive, and wrong. Admitting a mistake is not a big deal.

I'd almost rather listen to Jimmo than Ann Coulter. Let me provide each of them an example of what might have happened if Jimmy Carter's advice hadn't been heeded about 20 years ago.

Reagan proclaimed that Ferdinand Marcos was one of America's most devoted allies. But "terrorists" like Benito Aquino had been arguing that Marcos was in fact a vicious despot who turned the army against dissenters and also stole elections with impunity. Aquino had a huge following, so one of Marcos' hired thugs simply murdered him. Sort of like a KKK killing in Mississippi in 1964.

A few years later Marcos ran for re-election, with Reagan still proclaiming ardent support for this dedicated "anti-Communist" friend of ours. But because Reagan was a reasonable guy, he agreed to have Jimmy Carter supervise the Filipino election, "just to make sure" everything was on the up and up.

Remember what happened, Ann and Jimmo? In case you've forgotten, let me tell you. In one precinct, Marcos got over 10,000 votes and his opponent got none. Marcos' explanation was, "I have a number of cousins in that area." Long story short, Carter told Reagan, "The election was a complete sham." The United States pulled its support, Marcos was finished, and Imelda had to get by with only 150 pairs of shoes after that.

Because of his experience with fraudulent elections, it was especially disappointing to see Carter cooperate with James Baker on the recent panel. But to suggest he's always wrong is both insulting and stupid...but consider the source.

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KNOCK IF OFF, JIMMO!
Your attempts to defend torture are thoroughly despicable ...
and so are you!}

More about those Compassionate Conservatives?

Watch What They Do, Not What They Say

By Rep. Bernie Sanders (I-VT)

Anyone who still confused about the real agenda of President Bush and the Republican Congressional leadership need look no further than what is happening on the floor of the U.S. House today. The House is considering the annual spending bill that funds federal health care, education, and labor programs, as well as the Corporation for Public Broadcasting and some programs to help moderate and low income Americans like the Low Income Home Energy Assistance Program (on which many poor seniors rely to avoid literally freezing to death in the winter or dying of heat related conditions during the sweltering summer). Even a cursory review of the bill shows how laughable are the national Republicans' claim to be "compassionate conservatives." I have no doubt that there may be compassionate conservatives in the world, but they're not in the White House and they are not in the Republican Congressional leadership. **MORE**

Grilled Rumsfeld Anyone?

Senator Kennedy rips him a new one... in person.

Cheney Checks Into Vail Hospital... using the name Dr. Hoffman. Hmmm... didn't he say he prefers the tropics, great food and fun of guantonamo bay?

Why are you all talking to a troll (jimmo) who probably posts the same post on a dozen other blogs. He is doing it simply divert you from posting a reasonable response to the story. Stop flooding the comments section with responses to an idiotic autobot.

Hey guys, read the article yet on Conyers web site that links to a new york times article. WELL DONE, WELL WRITTEN, JOURNALISM ALAS>>>>

Charlie

RE: Cheney Checks Into Vail

Looks like all the mainstream media is reporting he checked in to see an orthopaedist - nothing about the cardiac unit at all.

Hmmm...

For some reason I'm reminded of Francisco Franco, and how long everyone was told he "just has a cold"

I can still hear Chevy Chase - "GENERALISSIMO FRANCISCO FRANCO IS STILL DEAD!"

{Jimmo acts like toddler again. Post deleted. DO NOT POST FULL ARTICLES, DO NOT SPAM THIS BLOG! Why can't you behave better than an infant?!}

I used to want to see Ann Coulter naked, now I want to see her naked on a slab.
Aside from all the intellectual B.S. on the latest drama in the beltway, a bloody revolution is the only way this country is going to change.
I suggest everyone arm themselves. It's comming, whether you like it or not.

citizen x: we know who has the guns thanks to the democrats. Yours will be the first we come get.

now GET THE HELL OUT OF OUR COUNTRY

{Jimmo acts like toddler again. Post deleted. DO NOT POST FULL ARTICLES, DO NOT SPAM THIS BLOG! Why can't you behave better than an infant?!}

Clean up on aisles #27, #29 and #30 --- Mr. Hanky has had a few accidents.

Anybody heard about this? (Also posted on the Brad Show Open Thread)

23rd June, 2005, Istanbul "The World Tribunal on Iraq (WTI) has been convened to bring international law to bear on America" aggressive behaviour around the world, with particular emphasis on the Iraq war. This represents an historic attempt by the people of the world to hold states and their leaders responsible for severe violations of international law. The Tribunal has both symbolic and substantive significance as a step toward the establishment of global democracy,' said Richard Falk, UNESCO peace prize holder and Professor of International Law, at a press conference held today at Darphane-i Amire in Topkapi Palace Grounds. The World Tribunal on Iraq (WTI) will start tomorrow, June 24, at 09.00 am.

Re #32

I had - and, sorry, I also posted my comments in response in the other thread too, was this one more appropriate? sorry if it was.

If progress has in fact been made on treatment of detainees at Guantanamo, ask yourself two questions:

1) Doesn't the word "progress" suggest conditions were bad before...even as Cheney was telling us otherwise?

2) Would any progress have been made without pressure being brought to bear on Washington from Amnesty International, the Red Cross, and the blogosphere?

Hints...1) you bet, Juliet 2) no way, Jose

Torture at Gitmo???

What about the torture we all have to suffer right here at home. If I listen to one more lie, one more inference, one more deception, one more spin, one more slanderous comment, one more failure, one more defensive re-adjustment, one more half-truth, one more misrepresentation of facts, one more nucular...my head just might explode!

Alan!!!

Alan!!!

Me too! Besides it's getting hard to see or breathe because of the enormous, thick fog of smoke from ALL the SMOKING GUNS we have for everything relating to the 'CONS since before the *s*election 2000.

And the electric chair is free electricity. That's how to think like these guys.

Kira,

You always say the nicest things...either here or on Conyers...and never in disagreement. Either I'm very smart, or maybe you really are my Fairy God Parent??? You keep this up and I'm gonna blush!

Alan

> The sooner that Bush, Cheney, and Co. can admit to the torture and pain they have authorized, the sooner the healing can begin.

And from the article itself -

"They said it was a question of isolated cases, that there was nothing systematic and that the guilty were in the process of being punished."

The US report said that those involved were low-ranking members of the military and that their acts were not approved by their superiors, the member added.

Guess what left kook fringe? People are bad! People are sinners! People do terrible things to other people. This is not state sponsored torture. Bush or Cheney did not authorize it!

#39

You seem to forget that policy filters down from the top. In other words, you can tell which business establishments are owned by people with integrity based on the actions of the lowest segment of employees. It never fails.

Here's a great article to go hand in hand with your comment and this thread in general:

The Heavy Responsibility of Command

[snip] Regrettably, President Bush doesn't seem to grasp that being a real commander in chief does carry with it certain pesky responsibilities. "Talking the talk" does beg that one "walk the walk."

Further, if anything goes wrong, the commander is responsible and accountable for any error or consequence regardless of whether he or she was in any way cause of that error or consequence. That is why commanding officers receive medals for the performance of their troops and are punished when their troops fail or do wrong. [snip]

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