Exit polls predited a 1.7 million vote win by Kerry. Sample of the polls were correct because the media companies dared not to diclose it. The polling company got scared. Now steal or hack the 1.7 million votes from Kerry and put it in the Bush column. This seems to have been done very cleverly from Ncrth Carolina to New Mexico.

Kerry is reduced by 1.7 millions and Bush gains 1.7 million votes. Do the math. The difference becomes the mandate. The Three and half million "political capital".

The Election 2004 math is so fuzzy!! Any volunteer professors to give the Honorable Senators of United States some math lessons??

Absolutely Blando Bling!

I would recommend a short concise outline of why the Senators should support the House Reps, not something like my long-winded tirades. LOL

Although if you feel so inclined, please do!

Hopefully we will get a copy of the written objection Conyers plans to file.

The Ohio challenge before Justice Moyer definitely does have that info in it. I can't imagine the Conyer objection not having it.

BTW Brad, I have emailed a lot, but I am going to do some faxes just to keep up the requests.

Don't have fax, Brad, but I've e-mailed everyone I could think of over the past weeks and done some recent calling too. Many of my petitions are duplicates - so they know I mean it.

Keep your own investigations going too. They're vital and could very well lead somewhere.

Someone said earlier that they rushed home from work to read your blogs and if there weren't any new ones, it just wasn't a good day. Well, I agree.

Progressive Power!

It's definetely time to for EVERYONE to get off their asses and represent themselves.

If I lived in the US I'd be attending those rallies and phoning those senators like crazy. Every step of the way Blackwell has stalled, stonewalled, delayed and twisted the law with help from assholes like Moyers to ensure accurate and meaningful auditing is literally impossible.

My heart goes out to every one of you who stand up and fight for democracy... there's nothing left to wait for.

Good luck guys.

Sorry, Bando Bling: Not so fast!

"Exit polls predited a 1.7 million vote win by Kerry. [...] Now steal or hack the 1.7 million votes from Kerry and put it in the Bush column. [...] Kerry is reduced by 1.7 millions and Bush gains 1.7 million votes. Do the math. [...] The difference becomes the mandate. The Three and half million [...]"

OK. Here's the math. Exit polls said that Kerry was going to win by 1.7 million. If you remove those votes from his column, that would make it even. Then if you add those 1.7 million votes to the Bush column, the difference would not be three and a half million, but simply that same 1.7 million votes.

I'm not suggesting that the election was won "fair and square". I'm only saying that your math is wrong. It wasn't as simple as moving 1.7 million votes from one column to another. It's a lot more complicated than that.

Furthermore, I think it's a mistake to concentrate on the popular vote totals. Four years ago the Republicans were saying "The popular vote doesn't matter --- it's the Electoral College that matters." And they were quite right. Maybe it doesn't make any sense, but them's the rules. It's the Electoral College that elects the president.

And in the Electoral College, the exit polls showed Kerry winning big. This election was stolen, not 1.7 million votes at a time, but one state at a time.

If America is to be a champion of democracy abroad, it must clean up its elections at home. If it is to complain of fraudulent and dishonest election practices abroad, it cannot condone them at home. But more important, if our own elections are to be legitimate, then they must be honest, open, with high national standards.

The time has come to stand up for clean elections, and to let it be known that massive irregularities will not go unchallenged.

CALL Your Senators............................

To call all Senators toll free: 1-800-839-5276 or 1-877-762-8762.

The Senators are sick & TIRED of hearing from the 2 percenter nut cases. They LAUGH when you ask them if they have been getting harassed by the left wing nut cases over Ohio.

When asked what it means that Senator Kerry will not even be in Washington DC on Thursday, they tell you that is quite a message, isn't it!!!

Yes, Democracy is such a burden, isn't it? Now, if only they were tired of killing our children, brothers, fathers, sisters, cousins, husbands and wives in Iraq.

Now that would be something, wouldn't it?

And it's not JUST Ohio that's the problem. We're facing a systemic degredation of our entire electoral process, and you have the fucking nerve to act like it doesn't matter?

Screw you.

~A!

I understand how America should be an example for Democracy abroad. Under Bush, we're a pretty terrible one!

An illegal invasion and occupation of a country, violation of the Geneva Convention, violation of the Nuremburg War Crimes Standards, violation of Nuclear treaties, and aiding and abetting global crimes against humanity! And now fraudulent elections as a topper! How can anyone respect this country for what we've done? How can we have any self-respect as long as we allow these mass murderers to remain in power?

This is more than just about "our" Democracy, it's about Democracy everywhere. If our government, Democrat and Republican, no longer stands for Democracy then it is a government no longer worth keeping!

A-Jim, stop wasting our time! I bet you didn't speak to one Congressman or Senator, and I even doubt that you spoke to any staffer, except for maybe one of your Republican friends. So stop trying to discourage people here, but then again, that's what you're being paid for...right?

I just wanted to let you know I've sent literally hundreds of letters and faxes, organized protests, etc. All by myself in Arkansas. I'm doing everything I can. I don't want to wait until I'm freakin unemployed and homeless before I get off my ass and take action. I wish everyone else felt the same.

Hey folks -In regards to attorney (unlikely) Jim.
Since Brad wouldn't block him-Here is the easy answer to his brand of sick thinking.
Don't respond-ever-never
Once he gets the message, he will go away.
Don't you feel he is taking up way too much of the blog space here?
Try it -you will like it.
Peter

New controversy, Ohio Secretary State bragging about helping "deliver" Ohio to pres...10pmET Raw Story-

PS: Jimmy boy!

The Members of the British Parliament, along with King George, also laughed at those left-wing 2%nuts in America just prior to the 1776 American Revolution! Their disregard, their disrespect, and their arrogance were their defeat! I could care less about Kerry's absence! It only tells us the whole bunch must go!

If the United States Senate acts with impunity to the legitimate requests of the American people, suffering from the loss of their most precious right in a Democracy...to vote...then those people, no matter how much they represent a minority, shall have in the words of our original Declaration of Independence the following right:

"...That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government..."

They have been publicly forewarned...AGAIN!

pretty funny that Sen. Kerry isn't even willing to "take action now."

HA!!
:)

"A fool makes himself known immediately and repeatedly. Wise men cometh and goeth..."

This is not a partisan issue atty jim, as has been expressed several times in your presence. It is but several human responses to matters gravely affecting not only our present day lives, but our future on this planet. As you have learned, your rants simply cannot sway decent thinking people in this, or any matter based upon fact.

We take offense to these crimes because we have been enlightened with the facts and we understand the consequences of our inaction. We are taking action because we are caring human beings who find great value in preserving our God given "unalienable rights" guaranteed by our hard-fought Constitution and Bill of Rights. It is not only our right before God or any other, it is our duty to act. OUR duty jimmo. Plural.

While I accept the fact that you don't agree, and it is your every right to disagree, I can not accept your behavior, nor your arguments as rational. I would urge you to please drop your partisan war and work to become a part of the solutions. Any reasonable effort is acceptable.

Thanks to Brad for allowing fairness and an equal voice, the ball is in your hands jimmo. Show us what you can do as a human being.

Thank you Brad, Winterpatriot, Bando, Dredd, Peg C, Bradblog visitors and everyone I haven't mentioned for being thoughtful, informed, caring people. Thank you all for standing up for our rights and taking the actions that are our duty. Thank you jimmo... for representing all that you are too.

Once again they have under estimated us. We will prevail.

Mark M.

I may be in the minority here, but I think Kerry is doing the wise thing by keeping a low profile, in the Middle East no less, with plans to visit Iraq. His absence underscores the non-personal nature of the objections being raised: that a totally opaque and unevenly administered election is by no means a legitimate one. Fraud happens, disenfranchisement happens, etc, etc., etc. His presence would only shine the spotlight of public attention on HIM and would blur the focus of the potential investigation into criminal activity.

Anyhoo, them's my thoughts on the matter.

I read your work with great pleasure.
I am very pleased that you now support an RSS feed.

Agree completely Peg C...and furthermore, it isn't about John Kerry anymore and I am not sure if it ever was....it is about ME....and the possible millions like me...my vote here in Carteret County, NC was not counted, still has not been counted and will likely never be counted...and to have that happen to me after I worked mybutt off for the entire slate of Democratic candidates not just as a Delegate for Kerry/Edwards for over nine long months!! Geesh!! I was politically raped for a lack of better words and if that sounds harsh to some then I apoligize in advance, but until you have been disinfranchised you will not understand I guess or maybe I am somewhat dramatic. :rolleyes: Anyway..the point is that the Senators need to stand tomorrow for ME AND ALL THE AMERICAN PEOPLE..this has nothing to do with who gets sworn in on January 20th..unfortunately for us all..that is a given. Getting late on the east coast..chat later. T-Rod

I just finished sending a fax to each of the following:

1-202-224-2126 Senator Akaka
1-202-224-4700 Senator Max Baucus
1-202-228-0012 Senator Ben Nelson
1-302-573-6351 Senator Joe Biden
1-407-872-7165 Senator Bill Nelson
1-202-224-2852 Senator Bingaman
1-202-228-1371 Senator Blanche Lincoln
1-415-956-6701 Senator Barbara Boxer
1-304-343-7144 Senator Robert Byrd
1-202-228-0514 Senator Maria Cantwell
1-202-224-1388 Senator Carl Levin
1-202-228-2190 Senator Carper
1-202-228-1683 Senator Chris Dodd
1-202-224-6747 Senator Daniel Inouye
1-202-224-1193 Senator Dorgan
1-202-228-0400 Senator Durbin
1-202-224-2725 Senator Feingold
1-202-228-3954 Senator Feinstein
1-202-224-9369 Senator Harkin
1-202-224-4680 Senator Jack Reed
1-202-228-2197 Senator Jon S. Corzine
1-202-224-2417 Senator Kennedy
1-202-224-7776 Senator Kent Conrad
1-202-224-8525 Senator Kerry
1-202-224-9787 Senator Herb Kohl
1-202-224-9735 Senator Landrieu
1-202-228-4054 Senator Lautenberg
1-202-224-8858 Senator Mikulski
1-202-224-0238 Senator Patty Murray
1-202-228-0908 Senator Pryor
1-202-224-7327 Senator Reid
1-202-224-7665 Senator Jay Rockefeller
1-202-224-1651 Senator Sarbanes
1-202-228-3027 Senator Schumer
1-202-228-5765 Senator Tim Johnson
1-202-228-2717 Senator Wyden

My message was, "Please read BEFORE Thursday and vote accordingly." I faxed each one the 5 page article that can be found at

www.freepress.org/depart...nts/display/19/2005/1065

I was unable to EASILY find fax #'s for each of the following:

Senator Debbie Stabenow
Senator Ken Salazar
Senator Barack Obama
Senator Even Bayh
Senator Hillary Clinton
Senator Mark Dayton
Senator Patrick Leahy
Senator James Jeffords (whose web site contained a statement that he will NOT object).

I did all of the above after having sent 15 emails yesterday (or the day before - I'm quite tired, so I can't remember) of which 5 automated replies returned with words to the effect of, "I appreciate your having sent me an email of your concerns, blah, blah, etc., etc."

I sent nothing to Senator Joseph Lieberman.

I am so glad you took Dubya and Feeney off your blog page.It made me sick to look at thier smirking faces when I brought up your page.Thanks again! L

Right you are T-Rod.

It is about me, us, them and the world. If we let the world down now, our children won't have one to repair.

http://washingtontimes.c...0050104-102731-3798r.htm

Dissent to mar Bush validation
By Audrey Hudson
THE WASHINGTON TIMES

Congress tomorrow is set to certify the Electoral College vote confirming the re-election of President Bush, but some say the election results are invalid and plan to disrupt the process.
Rep. John Conyers Jr., Michigan Democrat and ranking member of the House Judiciary Committee, will formally object to the Ohio count. Other House Democrats are putting pressure on senators to force a floor debate.
"We're not going to roll over and surrender when we know there have been countless voting irregularities in Ohio," Mr. Conyers told BlackAmericaWeb.com Monday. "This is the second time that George W. Bush had a one-state victory that is hugely controversial. We are asking for careful consideration by the House and Senate."

... Mr. Conyers, Mr. Jackson and Rep. Stephanie Tubbs Jones, Ohio Democrat, are leading the House charge and say that three senators are considering joining forces to contest the results, Roll Call reported this week.

The lawmakers declined to say which senators are being courted, but called on failed Democratic presidential candidate Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts to help block the results.
"On Thursday we need a senator to stand up. Either Dick Durbin [Illinois Democrat], Harry Reid [Nevada Democrat] or John Kerry himself as the candidate should stand up and support an investigation into Ohio's voting process," Mr. Jackson said.
A spokesman for Mr. Kerry said the senator supports examining voting irregularities, which is "crucial to our democracy, not because it would change the outcome of the election."
Mr. Jackson [my addition: Junior] called on newly sworn-in Sen. Barack Obama, Illinois Democrat, to support them. Mr. Obama said his staff is reviewing the Ohio resolution, but said he has not decided whether he will sign it.
"The election is over and President Bush won fair and square, so I don't think we need to challenge the election, but we continue to have chronic problems in our voting system," he said. "Some of the practices in Ohio were clearly illegal and disenfranchised voters and, let's be real about this, some Republicans were denied their rights to vote as well."

_______________

Kerry supports "examining voting irregularities" but leaves the country just in time to avoid standing up and fighting for such an examination! (Sorry, I do respectfully disagree with other commentors here; MO, it's an out and out DUCK THE ISSUE to avoid any political controversy in an attempt to preserve a 2008 WHouse bid). Pretty words, absolutely no heart or guts behind them.

Obama admits illegality, but waffles on standing with Conyers because Repubs were also denied ??? So STAND the f*** up for ALL citizens.

Good gawd. Don't they realize how ridiculous they sound?

And thank God for Mr. Conyers' brave stand.

Thanks for the good reads here too.

I will not participate in this abomination.

I will not stand in line like a sucker setting myself up for a robbery.

I will not vote again until this system is fixed.
And I will push on until it is.

The right to bear arms was put in place as a protective measure against our own government gone wrong. Our founders anticipated this, and trusted that we would have the sense to stick up for ourselves, and eliminate ruling factions trying to do us harm. Short of storming the palace, at this point, let's not let them down.

You all rock hard!

Keep making noise!

You are being heard!

I know it's exhausting, but anything worthwhile is...Keep it up!

Brad, I totally love the colors and design of this site. You have good artistic sense.

George,

Thanks for the list. I am on it.

Nana, thanks for the link to the new Blackwell story.

You all know that no president has been boted out during a war. This equation means that the more war there is the more support a president has ... except it reaches a point where it backfires.

I think that point has been reached but evidently the admin does not:

http://www.worldnetdaily...cle.asp?ARTICLE_ID=42225

Get ready for more war?

Brad, thanks again for all of your hard work. I called every Dem Senator & Jeffords this a.m. and the absolute worst person I dealt with was the guy answering for Sen. Kerry he hung up on me twice and complained that he already had to answer 300 calls this morning on this topic. I hope that all of your readers are calling right now as well.

You folks really aren't concerned about our country, you are just concerned that your guy and your party didn't win. You really just hate war, and hate Bush, and apparently, hate God, or the deity of your own or non understanding.

If Kerry won and there were neo-con conspiracy allegations of tampering with voting machines and software, blah blah blah, you wouldn't be writing and faxing and emailing your representatives.

You conspiracy kook fringe left are entertaining, to say the least.

Since January 20th will see the inauguration of President GW Bush, you nuts will now have to work towards Impeachment. Should be fun reading your four years of trying with no result. But hey, at least you can "think" you are making a difference!

Staples has just pulled their ads from airing during a Sinclair news program, "saying the decision was fueled in part by e-mails from customers angry at what they consider to be the broadcaster's right-wing bias in news and commentary."

link

KEEP UP THE EFFORT!!!

Good point Miss Persistent.

That is where we must take it in greater and greater quantity and quality.

We have only begun ...

I emailed the senators and sent your link around, posted it in a couple blogs too. Thanks for fighting the good fight, brad! Only you and a handful of others has done so! If we let this go, evoting will go national, and we will never have a national election that matters again!!

Impeachment Paul? In a way correct, but an impeachment of the entrire government as a right of abolishment recognized in the Declaration of Independence. Of course we hate war! Do you love it...do you lust for it...like so many other profiteers and young bent minds of the Christian right!

I'm afraid you are the kooks!

Freebird: with all possible respect, don't you have anything more important to do today than feeding this obvious troll?

I mean, anytime you see a comment that begins "You folks really aren't concerned about our country" you can be pretty sure that you are not dealing with an intelligent life form. So why bother?

Wow Paul, how sad for you.

We ARE making a difference and we WILL prevail, one way or another. And we are not just a "few kooks" we number in the millions, although you'd never know it based on the corporate media.

I've sent my fax's and e-mails. I'm just holding my breath wainting to see which of the Senators will step up.

PROOF POSITIVE OF VOTE FRAUD IN KING COUNTY, WASHINGTON:

link

Election scrutiny reveals provisional-vote flaws
By Keith Ervin
Seattle Times staff reporter

An unknown number of provisional voters, some of whom may not even have been registered to vote, improperly put their ballots directly into vote-counting machines at polling places, King County's elections superintendent said yesterday.

Once those ballots went into the machines, there was no way to separate them from legitimate ballots.

Provisional ballots are given on Election Day to voters who show up at the wrong precinct or whose registration is in question. The ballots are supposed to be put inside two envelopes, with the voter's name, address and signature on the outside, and counted only after the voter's status is verified.

Officials may never know exactly how many provisional ballots were improperly fed into voting machines, but a current review of polling-place records will give some indication of how widespread the problem was, county Elections Superintendent Bill Huennekens said.

Improperly cast provisional votes could play a role in a possible Republican challenge of Democrat Christine Gregoire's 129-vote victory over Republican Dino Rossi, whose campaign is preparing to ask that the election be set aside.

Staples is financially hurting that is why they are pulling ads ALL OVER. Check it out.

Terri: don't hold your breath: EVERY Democrat Senator knows that there has been ZERO evidence of fraud produced and if a single Senator contested the vote: lookout for retaliation by the GOP in every Presidential race for the next 50 years.

THAT is why NO senator will stand. They know this whole thing is bogus and are not going to make a fruitless jesture that will ONLY make retaliation a certainty down the road.

Now go do something productice, like convincing your kids not to get that ugly snoopy tattoo on his arm, those rings out of his nose, and those doughnuts out of his mouth.

LOL Sorry Winter Patriot,

I enjoy being argumentative! It comes second nature to an ex-attorney. If we simply talk and agree with each other, then we don't get a feel for where others stand, right or wrong, and open a debate...even though some snipets are just jabs.

As an example, attorney Jim just posted an important article about Washington's Gubernatorial race. And as Brad and I have already pointed out to him, if he wants to claim election fraud evidence in Washington state and call for a re-vote there, then he should have the intellectual honesty to admit that there is vote fraud evidence throughout the country that needs to be addressed and a new vote taken nationwide.

I am disappointed in Barack Obama's declaration that in effect we should all get over the election because Republican's also had problems. Seems all the politicians are just saying is let's move on. Okay! Move on to what...more election fraud in 2006 and 2008?

I've already recommended a dual vote/tabulation system for a national revote. So despite my fencing with various trolls here, i do try to make a substantive contribution on the one hand while slaying trolls with the other.

PS: Just one more point. If we ignore what others think, say, or believe, then we also may fall into the trap of doing what we accuse them of doing...ignoring us and our arguments.

OK then, Freebird --- feed 'em or slay 'em as you wish.

Brad wrote: "If just half of the people who read this blog every day take the time to call, fax or email U.S. Senators asking them to join Conyers' challenge to the Electoral Results, the Senators will be drowning in calls, faxes and emails."

To clarify my earlier comment: I'd sooner spend my time trying to 'drown' a senator or two [figuratively, in e-mails and faxes] than replying to somebody who [a] cannot help us in any event and [b] is clearly not interested in participating in a discussion anyway.

If the trolls answered our questions, or made any effort to be reasonable, that would be a different story. [In that case I wouldn't even call them trolls.]

But if their attitude is "ha ha, the system is broken and we broke it! ha ha! just try and catch us --- you're not smart enough!" ... or "you don't care about our country", then they really don't deserve a response.

Or at least they don't deserve one that's printable!

"The House Judiciary Democrats investigating election irregularities in Ohio have issued their final report"

it is a pdf file.

http://rawstory.com/images/pdfs/finalreport.pdf

Freebird wrote: "I am disappointed in Barack Obama's declaration that in effect we should all get over the election because Republicans also had problems."

I am disappointed too. Reading between the lines is easy in this case. I think he's really saying "I may come across as energetic and idealistic but really my main concern is covering my butt."

I also suspect that there's some fiction involved here. I haven't seen any indication that Republicans were prevented from voting. Have you?

Did we see any states were Bush had a big lead in the exit polls but Kerry won?

Does anyone remember reading about Republican precincts with absurdly low turnouts like 7%?

How about Kerry supporters controlling the companies that provided the voting machines? Anyone remember reading anything about them?

Or maybe there were touch-screeen machines someplace where voters touched "Bush" and the machine indicated a vote for Kerry?

As we can see from the press coverage of Dino Rossi's claims about Washington's gubernatorial race, if the Republicans complain about anything, it gets straight into the papers. So what is Obama talking about? And why haven't we heard about it before?

I'm sorry to say this, but it seems to me that Senator Obama has just created a huge credibility problem for himself.

I agree Winter Patriot!

Hey everybody! I have just issued "all of you" a challenge in my last comment at the "Bill Nelson may support Conyers" thread in response to what Joan was complaining about in sentiments we all share.

> Of course we hate war! Do you love it...do you lust for it...like so many other profiteers and young bent minds of the Christian right!

War has never been good other than it ended communism, slavery, and fascism in several countries, including slavery in America. It gave America freedom from England. It gave Europe freedom from Nazism. I can give example after example after example.

You guys do not live in the real world and have no clue of world history! It has nothing to do with profiteers, it has everything to do with freedom.

I invested in stolen elections last year

Gave to Kerry, but INVESTED in fraud. Sorry I was correct, but I know corruption went I see it (for years on end), and so.... We will never again have a national election that matters, but I'm ok with that, because my USA disappeared many years ago - I just knew and read about it.

Thank (the deity) for honest people. May we all survive.

Paul, what did Viet Nam give us? Gave me a dead brother, but what of the world or US of A? Tell me I want to know. Really.

Jimmo, you gasbag. Here's a deal millions would be willing to make with your sort: Do a paper ballot re-vote in Washington State. Go ahead, have it.

The only thing you would have to give, in return, is to OK a paper-ballot re-vote in Ohio, or Florida, for president. Either one. Gregiore would likely still win in Washington State, but Bush certainly wouldn't in either Ohio or Florida.

I called the office of Barbara Boxer. She is our Senator. We all voted for her. She got a huge support from us. California residents should definitely call her. Hurry!

Paul:

Thank you for your comments. You are so right about everything.

Now go away.

You'll not inform, instruct, or rebuke anyone reading this site. Get it? Buddy? You're wasting your breath. We don't agree with you. Go watch Fox or something....quit telling us we don't know world history. Here's a thought...you're so bright, right? Go write Bush some foreign policy that makes sense. Get him out of his senseless war. Unless you want to post something about what the Iraq War means to the advance of civilization. I'd really enjoy reading your blather...I love fiction.

:rolleyes:

I don't know if this has been said yet or not, so to Mr. Conyers...

May I be the first to say Mr. President?

http://michaelmoore.com Anybody read his letter to the Senators? Almost as good as Brads

Coverage beginneth. Click.

Thank you, Brad! I love your website!!
I agree that trolls should simply be ignored.
Why even waste time reading one of their comments??

Good article on this morn. meeting with bus load of mad voters. http://www.ilcaonline.org , pics and graphs

Tony,
Hell yes!!! Conyers is a goddamn hero!! I'd vote for him in a heartbeat!
....Oh, wait. I forgot. Our vote is WORTHLESS!!
O silly me
There is one thing I'd like to ask the righties out there because it really does kind of baffle me: if one has to rely so heavily on distortion, doesn't that indicate a weak argument? I'm asking this in all seriousness.

Today was a good day. Senators offices all across the country were inundated with calls and fax machines run deliberately short of paper. Most everyone agreed that the level of citizen outrage was unprecedented and unexpected. But tomorrow Jan. 6 is another day...

So as to keep the pressure on and circumvent the certain repuke backlash, please keep calling, emailing and faxing EVERYONE including republican Senators. We taught the wingnuts a few things today, but it is certain the wingnuts will dominate the phone lines tomorrow fore-noon if we allow them.

Lets remind them Jan 6. 2005 that we mean it! Keep calling! We will prevail!

International Labor Communications Association (ILCA) has that article mentioned above.

Paul said: "If Kerry won ... you wouldn't be writing and faxing and emailing your representatives."

Paul, does that mean you're willing to look at the election fraud issues on the merits? Or are you the same as the rest of us --- only interested if your guy looses.

This is much bigger than your guy OR my guy.

If Kerry won...

Um, he did. So did Gore. Seeing a picture yet? We are an international laughing stock, and 'rightfully' so. We should change the name to 'Reaganville' - first far righter to use treason to win - and retire USA for a group that cares enough not to sully it's name and basic premise of rule of law.

Thanks for the link, Dredd. It is the usual selective reporting which omits any mention of the tampering by Triad or the allegation of perjury or the many precincts that had over 100% turnout, but of course includes the phrase "found no evidence" from Kerry's pitiful email.
I honestly hate to keep sounding negative & I will keep phoning today, but to those of you who keep saying "we will prevail" & "we DEMAND" this or that...What, exactly, do you imagine we have the power to DO??? We are at this point like kids plotting to DEMAND that mom hand over the cookie jar. They ignored the millions around the globe who said loud & clear "DON'T GO TO WAR" so why do you believe they will listen now? Without the media we have no voice. Without the vote we have no power.
So why keep phoning then? Because I believe the situation is unpredictable & there may be things going on of which we are unaware; because Conyers & friends lead me to hope that ethics & integrity are not completely dead; & because "all that is necessary for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing" (thanks, buddy, whoever said that): AND because I have grown fond of you pack of nutjobs who refuse to stand idly by while our country bleeds to death. Christ on a bike, I love you guys.

Joan- "Never underestimate the ability of a small group of people to change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has... Margaret Mead See what the people are doing in DC? RAISING AWARENESS PS WE love you too!

HELP... is anyone here? They, at the last minute with no explanation terminated coverage of the Joint Session to cover Nancy Pelosi's Press conference!!! It's not on CSPAN here... is there a r adio stream at least?

THIS IS CREEPY... THEY SAID IT WAS COMING UP IN FIVE MINUTES THEN THEY CUT TO THIS!!!!

Did my POST just disappear? I usually get to see it.

I NEED HELP finding an audio stream of this Joint Session. CSPAN said it was coming up in FIVE minutes then WITHOUT EXPLANATION they cut to Nancy Pelosi's Briefing.... jeez louise... i'm creeped out

> Paul, what did Viet Nam give us?

It was never declared a war and never fought like one. The purpose was to stop Communism, the thing that you guys love.

Very good, Paul.

Then I guess there is no War going on today under your standards.

What a pathetic (and insensitive) hypocrite.

I noticed you simply ignored Nana's question about what the (undeclared) Vietnam War which killed her brother was for.

You wouldn't understand "Moral Values" if one came up and bit you in the Hasstert.

How pathetic. Jesus would be very proud.

> I noticed you simply ignored Nana's question about what the (undeclared) Vietnam War which killed her brother was for.

To stop the spread of Communism in Vietnam.

The current war in Iraq is being run by the generals, not a president, like how LBJ ran the "conflict" in Vietnam.

War is moral when it is used to stop immorality - like slavery, Nazism, Communism, terrorism.