READER COMMENTS ON
"Obama at DNC: 'Climate Change is Not a Hoax' (VIDEO)"
(23 Responses so far...)
COMMENT #1 [Permalink]
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zapkitty
said on 9/6/2012 @ 11:25 pm PT...
clean coal! ... except there is no such thing.
biofuels! ... nothing like deliberately burning crops in the midst of record droughts.
climate change gets real! ... with 600,000 new jobs dedicated to making it worse.
fission power! ... well, okay, Obama wasn't stupid enough to bring that up but the words "climate change" in the article title seem to have triggered a banner ad at the top of the page
All that and a firm recommitment
to 4 trillion in "deficit" cuts that are guaranteed to tank the economy again...
... but hey! After years of prep work and trial balloons Obama will FINALLY be able to ram through his "Grand Bargain" and go after Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security!
COMMENT #2 [Permalink]
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Dredd
said on 9/7/2012 @ 4:47 am PT...
No more foreign oil will not satisfy the addiction to oil or the damage that addiction does.
American oil is not clean oil, American coal is not clean coal, nor is being your own drug dealer any rational way to kick the dirty oil addiction.
Global warming induced climate change is no hoax, but the current "solutions" to it are.
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Randy D
said on 9/7/2012 @ 6:14 am PT...
Such sour comments. I suppose it is sort of pathetic that things are so bad that we cheer when a leader merely acknowledges scientific fact. Not his plans to deal with it, just the recognition of reality. But that's the point to which things have devolved.
Obama's record on energy compromises have been among his greatest failures to date. He endorsed "safe" nuclear energy right before the catastrophe in Japan. He endorsed off-shore drilling right before Deepwater Horizon. He's begun endorsing fracking, even as problems with drinking water contamination and faultlines escalate...
COMMENT #4 [Permalink]
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Ernest A. Canning
said on 9/7/2012 @ 8:47 am PT...
I, like Zap, cringed when I heard the President refer to "clean coal." All three of the above comments contain extraordinarily valid criticisms --- ones that would have well merited a significant progressive challenge during the primaries.
But, at this point, I believe that one has to set aside those misgivings and take a hard but objective look at political realities.
Come November 7 we will either be looking at a second Obama term or a corporate feudal society in which climate science and environmental safeguards will have absolutely no weight whatsoever when measured against oil & coal industry profits/subsidies.
I admire Green Party candidate Jill Stein, but I have a better chance of running a marathon on Mars than she has of winning the White House.
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Ralph
said on 9/7/2012 @ 9:30 am PT...
COMMENT #6 [Permalink]
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Ralph
said on 9/7/2012 @ 1:10 pm PT...
To Ernest @4,
It's a shame that your choice is still "the lesser of two evils". Why not cast a vote for America(third party candidate)? The two options are not going to make any difference, because the Congress has the final say, and we still can attempt to influence them, to a certain extent.
Maybe a third party elected to the Presidency is the solution.
I was going to vote for Rocky Anderson, until I heard Jill Stein speak, and then looked into the Green Party's platform. Now I'll split my vote.
COMMENT #7 [Permalink]
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Ralph
said on 9/7/2012 @ 1:31 pm PT...
I had to come back and further comment:
What the "Murderer in Chief" says, and what he signs into law are two different things. He's a typical Wall Street Democrat.
Vote third party.
COMMENT #8 [Permalink]
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Ralph
said on 9/7/2012 @ 2:22 pm PT...
Btw, I agree with comments 1,2, and 3.
Again I had to come back with a rebuttal to Ernest @4. Watch this excellent rebuttal to Dyson by Glen Ford, On DemocracyNow!.
This blows your opinion out of the water. sorry dude, I mostly agree with you.
http://www.democracynow....r_progressives_best_hope
COMMENT #9 [Permalink]
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Ernest A. Canning
said on 9/7/2012 @ 4:38 pm PT...
Ralph: There are times when one may hear something exceptionally profound. For me it was in 1969. I had just returned from Vietnam and was attending freshman history class when my prof said:
If the American right can always be criticized for having no sense of humanity or empathy, the American left can always be criticized for its inability to count.
Also, I've watched the Ford/Dyson exchange. My own take was that Dyson got the better of it.
The are concrete reasons why a Romney administration would be far worse. These include the harm that cannot be remedied in the next election or even over the next generation if Romney is permitted to Bork the courts. The second entails the 45,000 citizens who will die each year if Affordable Care Act, whatever its shortcomings, is repealed.
I am as appalled as you are by the President's "targeted killings" for which you apply the words "Murderer in Chief."
But tell me, Ralph, would your conscience feel all that clean if the absence of yours and other third party votes in a key battleground state resulted in the loss of 45,000 lives/year?
Is your distaste for the "lesser evil" so exorbitant that you would sacrifice so many to satisfy it?
I would submit that Otto von Bismarck was onto something when he said: "Politics is the art of the possible."
COMMENT #10 [Permalink]
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Ralph
said on 9/7/2012 @ 5:28 pm PT...
Sorry Ernest,
But how many lives , those innocents that are snuffed out because of government policies, are you justifying for political gain?
This is NOT POLITICS, your argument has to do with favorites!
Futhermore, favorites are what bought and paid for by your argument?
COMMENT #11 [Permalink]
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Ralph
said on 9/7/2012 @ 5:40 pm PT...
for sure...a pro Obomber blog.
No more support from me...An American Patriot!
Do not confuse that with a Republican. There is no possible correlation.
Thanks for the spell check.
COMMENT #12 [Permalink]
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Ralph
said on 9/7/2012 @ 5:49 pm PT...
Hey, Brad!
You want to moderate me? Then debate me as you debate the asshole Wingnutsteve!
Otherwise, be fair!
I know I don't contribute to your mutual admiration society...but why is my comment subject to some kind of scrutiny?
COMMENT #13 [Permalink]
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Brad Friedman
said on 9/7/2012 @ 6:13 pm PT...
Ralph said @ 11:
for sure...a pro Obomber blog.
No more support from me...An American Patriot!
Wow. Tough crowd! Just a few days ago we lost a long time reader because, she said, "This place has become an Obama bashing site ... Bye"
Guess we can't win!
And then, Ralph said @ 12 asked:
You want to moderate me? Then debate me as you debate the asshole Wingnutsteve!
Otherwise, be fair!
I know I don't contribute to your mutual admiration society...but why is my comment subject to some kind of scrutiny?
You comment @ 10 went into the moderation queue automagically, Ralph. The spam filter checks for all sorts of things and often incorrectly flags something as spam based on what's in it, etc. As soon as I got the email that it had gone into the mod queue, I undmoderated it immediately.
Geez, people. I know it's election season, but please chill out a bit!
COMMENT #14 [Permalink]
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Ralph
said on 9/7/2012 @ 6:34 pm PT...
Brad @13,
Chill out? Isn't this a worthwhile board?
COMMENT #15 [Permalink]
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RALPH
said on 9/7/2012 @ 8:08 pm PT...
I have signed in again. After you stopped me from commenting. So Fuck you assholes!!!! This is my final comment, since I had to abandon Firefox, and resort to EI. I don't know (yet) how you did it, but I will locate your block!
COMMENT #16 [Permalink]
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jc
said on 9/8/2012 @ 6:23 am PT...
The fastest mitigation to climate change is to severely reduce consumption of animal foods. About 1/2 of human induced warming is attributable to animal agriculture. Methane is 24 times more potent than CO2 and takes only 7 years to cycle out of the atmosphere. CO2 takes around 100 years to come out. Human pursuit of animal protein is the leading cause of methane release and a primary cause of CO2 concentrating in the atmosphere. Check the facts and act!
"As environmental science has advanced, it has become apparent that the human appetite for animal flesh is a driving force behind virtually every major category of environmental damage now threatening the human future: deforestation, erosion, fresh water scarcity, air and water pollution, climate change, biodiversity loss, social injustice, the destabilization of communities, and the spread of disease." Worldwatch Institute, "Is Meat Sustainable?"
"The livestock sector emerges as one of the top contributors to the most serious environmental problems, at every scale from local to global. The findings of this report suggest that it should be a major policy focus when dealing with problems of land degradation, climate change and air pollution, water shortage and water pollution, and loss of biodiversity. The impact is so significant that it needs to be addressed with urgency." UN Food and Agricultural Organization's report "Livestock's Long Shadow"
“If every American skipped one meal of chicken per week and substituted vegetables and grains... the carbon dioxide savings would be the same as taking more than half a million cars off of U.S. roads.” Environmental Defense Fund
Why would someone choose to be vegan? To slow global warming for one! Here are two uplifting videos to help everyone understand why so many people are making this life affirming choice: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKr4HZ7ukSE and http://www.veganvideo.org
"Nothing will benefit human health and increase the chances for survival of life on earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet." ~ Albert Einstein
COMMENT #17 [Permalink]
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Ernest A. Canning
said on 9/8/2012 @ 8:17 am PT...
Ralph @11, unable to offer an academic rebuttal to my comment @9, wrote:
for sure...a pro Obomber blog.
No more support from me...An American Patriot!
What is this, grade school? Someone doesn't agree with you so you'll take your ball and go home?
Here are a few articles I've published which are at odds with your "pro Obomer blog" assessment.
Beyond Afghanistan in which I wrote a scathing critique of the sophistries the President offered to justify an escalation of the war in Afghanistan, noting: "The President's words are at odds with a reality of a brutal corporate Empire."
Wing-Nut Mobs Provide Cover for Obama/Baucus Health Care Betrayal.
ObamaCare: Right Diagnosis, Wrong Prescription.
While one critique comes from the Left and the other from the extreme Right, I find it curious that between you and WingnutSteve, The BRAD BLOG has come under the identical criticism --- that The BRAD BLOG is not harsh enough in our criticism of the President to suit your individual tastes.
This site is not devoted to either being pro or anti-Obama. Instead, its reporting strives to fulfill what Bill Moyers describes as "objective journalism" --- "describing the object being reported on, including the malfeasance, deceits, hypocrisy and lies of powerful people."
Its editorials, and its comment section, are committed to a robust, wide-ranging discussion within the parameters of some few basic rules, such as the avoidance of personal attacks, and an admonition that readers refrain from knowingly posting false (dis)information.
That is what the First Amendment is all about.
So, if you or WingnutSteve are looking for a site which will only publish articles and opinions that comport to your narrow worldview --- If, in your view, no one's opinion matters but your own, then you've indeed come to the wrong site.
COMMENT #18 [Permalink]
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Ernest A. Canning
said on 9/8/2012 @ 8:25 am PT...
Ralph @15 wrote:
I have signed in again. After you stopped me from commenting. So Fuck you assholes!!!! This is my final comment, since I had to abandon Firefox, and resort to EI. I don't know (yet) how you did it, but I will locate your block!
You've mistaken as personal, a technical problem that had nothing to do with you or your opinions.
I had the same entry problems with my Firefox, Ralph. It was the product of Brad's having upgraded the Blog's format. I had to clear my "cache" in Firefox. Once I did that, my full access through Firefox was restored.
I'm sure Brad would join me in extending our apologies to all readers for any inconvenience the upgrade caused.
COMMENT #19 [Permalink]
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Ernest A. Canning
said on 9/8/2012 @ 8:45 am PT...
COMMENT #20 [Permalink]
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Randy D
said on 9/10/2012 @ 7:58 am PT...
Let me express again my dislike for serial posters like Ralph. You are typing, not talking, so that a breath. Take a moment to forge a coherent thought --- if you many thoughts, make a choice. Try editing your reactions and honing your point. Thoughtfulness and quality will leave a better impression more machine-gun thought-spewing.
P.S. The only thing that could be more off-putting than this blog-diarrhea, is the vulgarity and whining you follow it up with. Brad and Ernest are a lot more patient than I would be.
COMMENT #21 [Permalink]
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Dredd
said on 9/10/2012 @ 4:00 pm PT...
Brad @13,
Geez, people. I know it's election season, but please chill out a bit!
The part about "election season" is spot on.
Everyone is downed a bit when the "edible" menu items brag about having less poison than the other item or items on the menu.
Used to be it was illegal to use poison in edible food in a restaurant, or to have a claim to fame as "our food has some good stuff in it too, not just poison".
For example, not to bash Obama, but the permit for the Shell drilling rig that started drilling in the Arctic (Chuckchi) waters off Alaska ~24 hours ago was personally expedited by Obama himself.
It drilled for several hours before danger forced it to stop all drilling and prepare to move due to a "60 mile by 30 mile" chunk of ice that said "I want this spot, move" and then began to get next to the drilling rig.
Anyway that lack of choice on our menu of a fully progressive candidate who wants humanity to survive oil addiction is hard to find, maybe even impossible considering our Citizens United and other Plutocratic infections.
But hey y'all we need to stick together to pull and push until we get a clean menu.
Brad Blog rocks!
COMMENT #22 [Permalink]
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Dredd
said on 9/10/2012 @ 4:07 pm PT...
COMMENT #23 [Permalink]
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Dredd
said on 9/10/2012 @ 4:25 pm PT...
oops II, here is the story of the rig starting the Arctic drilling: Link
PS: the chunk of ice was "30 miles by 12 miles" in size.
Stay thirsty my friends.