READER COMMENTS ON
"Diebold Stock Soars After $3 Billion Takeover Bid by Defense Contractor Conglomerate United Technologies"
(32 Responses so far...)
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Floridiot
said on 3/3/2008 @ 12:30 pm PT...
You rebel against the government you have for the Government you wish you had---Someday
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Dredd
said on 3/3/2008 @ 2:17 pm PT...
COMMENT #3 [Permalink]
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Floridiot
said on 3/3/2008 @ 2:20 pm PT...
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Doug
said on 3/3/2008 @ 2:21 pm PT...
Great, election machines owned by an affiliate to the military industrial complex. Not good.
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bud, b.c.bud
said on 3/3/2008 @ 4:10 pm PT...
Yup, It would help the fix being in if they also supplied the machines, certified 'em and got tons of profit if their team/choice/republicans were 'magically' elected. I just can't see anyone believing the results if the rep's win, Right? There's gonna have to be a 'terror' attack to go along with all the playing up of scare talk(got ricin?) lately...they're gonna have to freak the heck out of a bunch-o-people in the next few months to have a so-called credible reason why a pro war stay-the-crazy-course republican could win.
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Brad Friedman
said on 3/3/2008 @ 5:20 pm PT...
Dredd -
Southworth worked for Ciber, and now Systest. Do you have info that UTC was somehow in the testing mix already???
If so, I'm unaware of it, but would welcome any info, of course.
COMMENT #7 [Permalink]
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socrates
said on 3/3/2008 @ 5:29 pm PT...
I just made a new post trying to make sense of Kos,"Fintan Dunne," Hertzberg, "Kelvin Mace" of Democratic Underground, and how Bev Harris, Brad Friedman, and other progressives like Cindy Sheehan have been thrown under the bus. There are also some links provided concerning Kos and Diebold.
{Anyone who wants to join in, mi casa es su casa. Anyone who is into exposing internet fakes based on proof is more than welcomed.}
I'm also curious what happened to John Dean's blog where he attempted to expose Kelvin Mace of DU. It seems to have been scrubbed. I haven't noticed him posting here of late.
"Fintan," Hertzberg, Kos, DU, Brad, Bev, and the Raw Story
http://allaircraftarenot...raw-story-t160.html#1403
COMMENT #8 [Permalink]
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JUDGE OF JUDGES
said on 3/3/2008 @ 5:50 pm PT...
Why not just privatizes the fucking mint and let utc buy that too . . .
COMMENT #9 [Permalink]
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Dredd
said on 3/4/2008 @ 6:43 am PT...
Floridiot #3, Brad #6
We did some digging in this thread and realized that Southworth (the sole and soul of electronic voting machine testing) worked for a company that did contracting for the defense industry (read pentagon military industrial complex) in Huntsville (mil town) Alabama.
A company that thru one of its aliases had a republican lobby there getting questionable no-bid contracts for them according to local articles listed in the thread. (BTW xGov Siegelman was mentioned in those articles dated 2001.)
A lot of dragging the tree to coverup the corporate trail was done by Ciber and its aliases, but back then we took it no further than to make the initial connection.
The company going after Diebold (UT) is at the core of that industry:
The core group of United Technologies companies was founded in 1929 as United Aircraft and Transport Corporation, by the merger of Boeing, Chance Vought, Hamilton Standard, Pratt & Whitney, and Sikorsky Aircraft.
(Wiki). No one seemed interested so Floridiot and I sorta dropped it.
My take is that the pentagon would rather not have an out in the open coup, but instead would like to control the apparatus via electronic voting machine systems.
There is no other major reason to buy a looser company than to take over elections and thus plant their people "religiously". I mean, there really is lotsa faith in electronic elections, so they will keep the faith baby and keep the ammo for other use.
COMMENT #10 [Permalink]
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Fade
said on 3/4/2008 @ 6:46 am PT...
Appreciate the detailed wrap-up! linking
COMMENT #11 [Permalink]
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Dredd
said on 3/4/2008 @ 7:49 am PT...
RE my post #9
John Gideon is pulling no punches on the story. I read his thread and his usually reserved comments agree with mine (usually not reserved) on this matter.
BTW some links in the old bb thread (linked in #9 above) have disappeared (specifically the quotes by military contractors about how they check out electronic voting machines). They were hot and may have been scrubbed. I don't know.
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Floridiot
said on 3/4/2008 @ 8:46 am PT...
You know something though ?
They (UT) might as well buy that white elephant Diebold because the sales to states portion of it was already tied into Burson-Marstellar (Mark Penn) to the IFES, both of which have ex military peeps employed by them.
The IFES was the middle man for hack box sales to (most of) the States anyway and I'm sure UT has some good old boy connections to these other outfits like Ciber et-al.
Just a matter of digging it up I guess
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Floridiot
said on 3/4/2008 @ 9:11 am PT...
I mean come on, let's get real here.
The voting lines were 10,000 miles long in Dem districts in '04, Bush beats Kerry by 52% to 48% ?
Now this year the Dems are out ahead by almost 3 to 1 in the primaries people wise and almost 5 to 1 in fundraising?
So if McCain comes out winning 51% to 49% in Nov. we're supposed to buy that shit ?
Fuck that
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Ancient
said on 3/4/2008 @ 9:15 am PT...
There you have it folks, when the military industrial congressional lobby oil complex takes over your tortured election process, what else can you call it butt... fascism????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
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Ancient
said on 3/4/2008 @ 9:27 am PT...
Ooops, forgot media in that complex for profit system! Heil, the freidman free market system!
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Floridiot
said on 3/4/2008 @ 9:33 am PT...
he-he Ancient, do you mean Brad Friedman ? The CIA plant ? lol
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Ancient
said on 3/4/2008 @ 10:09 am PT...
No Flo, that would be ol uncle wilty milty economics freidman. And sorry for another oops, but after watching a documentary on LINK TV about the slaughter of Apalachain mountain tops and communities/people in West Virginia... it should have been oil/coal in that complex!
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Ancient
said on 3/4/2008 @ 10:12 am PT...
IMO he's a big brother to the neocons.
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Ancient
said on 3/4/2008 @ 10:19 am PT...
I was thinking this morning, if major industrial countries got together and pledged 10% of their military spending on renewable energy for nonprofit world redemption, we'd solve our energy global warming problem NOW. Just a thought.
COMMENT #20 [Permalink]
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Brad Friedman
said on 3/4/2008 @ 12:08 pm PT...
Dredd -
Thanks for the clarification. By "they" you were referring initially to the "military industrial complex" as a whole, as opposed to UTC in specific.
Thanks for clearing up the point. I didn't think I recalled hearing about UTC, specifically, in the election biz anytime prior to all of this, as I had interpreted your original message to be suggesting.
COMMENT #21 [Permalink]
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Dredd
said on 3/4/2008 @ 1:23 pm PT...
Brad #20
We just never followed it down. John's post pulls no punches, and I posted a link there that shows direct links between military voting systems and civil voting systems via personnel changeover.
Like Vu leaving Ohio and going to California.
BTW, Diebold, Inc. is not the same as Diebold Elections Systems, Inc. legally either just like UT is not involved interested in elections either ... wink, wink
They have scrubbed some of the stuff we dug up ... no one was interested then or we would have looked deeper. UT has a division that deals with electronics and that is where I would look.
You aren't getting kosways with us are ya Brad man?
COMMENT #22 [Permalink]
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Disillusioned
said on 3/4/2008 @ 3:30 pm PT...
United Technologies, which among many things makes parts for Airplanes which satisfy FAA certifications, is undoubtedly a better company to manage the production and design of vote-counting hardware and software than Diebold. On airplanes systems are designed so that no single failure can bring down the airplane, and for critical systems, three or even four systems are independently capable of operating a given system.
THAT is what our election process needs, is some design that makes it not prone to single-point failure (or single-point tampering). Multiply independent systems which are all separately auditable would be a huge step forward in election integrity.
That isn't to say UTC will actually implement such a failsafe system, but they're a lot more likely to do it than Diebold. Didn't IBM used to make vote counting and census taking machines decades ago (until they decided it wasn't a good business for them)?
COMMENT #23 [Permalink]
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CDM
said on 3/4/2008 @ 3:31 pm PT...
Headline: "Dingoes Acquire Day Care Center"
Nothing to see here folks.......
COMMENT #24 [Permalink]
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Barbara Bellows-TerraNova
said on 3/4/2008 @ 9:03 pm PT...
From the website of The Carlyle Group (Remember The Carlyle Group from Fahrenheit 911?)(my bolding):
September 29, 2003
#2003-42
The Carlyle Group Invests $6 Million in Growth Capital in Quality Engineering and Software Technologies (QuEST)
Washington, DC and Bangalore, India – Global private equity firm The Carlyle Group today announced it has invested $6 million in Quality Engineering and Software Technologies LLC (QuEST), a leading provider of engineering solutions for advanced technology products in the aerospace, automotive and power generation, oil and gas, and industrial product domains. The funds will be used to grow QuEST’s infrastructure and facilities in the U.S. and India as part of its ongoing global expansion plan and support the company’s acquisition strategy. This venture capital investment came from Carlyle Asia Venture Partners II, a $170 million fund that invests in technology companies in Asia and India.
Ajit Prabhu, Founder and CEO said, “We welcome this strategic investment from The Carlyle Group in this tough investment environment. This funding will be used to strengthen our global team and better serve our existing customers. Our customers are looking for us to broaden our scope of work to include design and build, and we are expanding our operations in China to address their needs.”
Aravind Melligeri, Founder and President said, “Carlyle is an excellent partner for us. These resources, coupled with Carlyle’s global network and potential synergy with their existing portfolio companies, will help us accelerate our growth significantly.”
Tony Jansz, Managing Director of Carlyle Asia Venture Partners said, “QuEST is already profitable and exhibits the kind of return potential our investors seek. QuEST has a superb management team in Ajit and Aravind and we look forward to helping them achieve their full potential.”
About QuEST
QuEST is a leading provider of engineering solutions for advanced technology products in Aerospace, Automotive, Power Generation, Oil & Gas, and Industrial Product domains. A six-sigma trained company with expertise that ranges from concept to product realization, QuEST caters to several fortune 500 companies in developing world-class products cost effectively, leveraging technology strengths of its global resources and robust processes. QuEST was founded by Ajit Prabhu and Aravind Melligeri in 1997 in Schenectady, New York, USA and later established in Bangalore, India in 1998. The company works on product engineering designs for renowned customers like General Electric, United Technologies, General Motors, and Ford. The company currently has offices in United States, India, United Kingdom, China, Italy and Japan. Keeping in mind the needs of current and future customers, QuEST plans to continuously expand its presence and services worldwide. Visit www.quest-global.com for additional information.
It seems that United Technologies isn't just any old defense contractor. . .
COMMENT #25 [Permalink]
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Cadavre
said on 3/4/2008 @ 10:53 pm PT...
United Defense - hmmm..
In 2001, and just in time for our celebration as fool suckers for believing that the most expensive air defense system in the world could surely stop a couple of lumbering 767's from crashing into the most conspicuous, though twice condemned and under waver for asbestos (yet fully insured under double indemnity after their recent purchase that summer by Larry, a smart guy known for paying billions for condemned buildings), the head of CNN Foreign Policy Editorial Board was Robert Kimmit, who, by the way, was also United Defense's CEO (a work-aholic, no doubt).
When CNN's mutated Zio Zygotes, Paula Zahn, Wolf the "AIPAC Blitskrieg" Blitzer, Anderson the CIA butt-boy Copper and every other chosenesque pretender at CNN were center stage for our national commiseration, we must not forget that PNAC Rober Kimmit, CEO of United Defense, was calling all the shots that day (why do you think Bin became the fall guy, despite the fact he denied doing it and despite the fact the FBI says they don't have enough evidence to convict him).
Robert is now [also] the assistant secretary to our Treasury. His family tree has a history of murder and war mongering. His Brother, old spit shine General Kimmit, was the boss at Abu Gharib when all thosee poo-poo pee-pee photos were released. For his effectiveness as head honcho at Abu Gharib, General Kimmit was promoted to a Pentagon Position - in the rear with the gear - where he now polishes flesh knobs in the Pentagons 5th floor potties (once a potty freak always a potty freak!).
But the lineage doesn't stop their. Back when the Iranians decided they had had enough of the CIA's run secret police murdering their neighbors, and kicked the war criminal Shah off the throne, Jimmy Carter had a sure fire chance to get the hostages back without any blood shed. He could have simply called the Iranian Revolutionaries as asked for an accommodation. But he didn't. He decided to be GI Joe based on the tick in his left ear, the father of the Kimmit Brothers, John Kimmit, one of the Zio Zygote Minions that began infesting our Whore House about the time of Johnson, who advised Jimmy to load up planes and helicopters and send some US meat to die on the sands of Iran.
Yeah those Kimmit brothers and United Defense - there's almost as many of them in our government as there are Israelis. In fact, we have more Israelis (dual citizens) in our government than Israel.
United defense and Diebold both should be brought to the bar for their roles in the massacre of 9 slash 11 and the fraudulent elections that got Mr 93 IQ - yep - our dunce of dunces, George, as president. Now Diebold and United Defense want to insure their continued war crime profits by acquiring more fraudulent control of our election process.
Bye Bye American Pie.
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COMMENT #26 [Permalink]
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Cadavre
said on 3/4/2008 @ 11:00 pm PT...
Dear Disillusioned
Hmmmm - do they also make those flight control systems that allow uploads of "flight plans" to commercial airliner navigation systems that can redirect the flight path of an airliner and lock the pilot out of the loop?
Hmmmm ... it's all starting to make sense now.
COMMENT #27 [Permalink]
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Barbara Bellows-TerraNova
said on 3/5/2008 @ 4:16 am PT...
Dear Cadavre:
United Defense and United Technologies are not the same company.
But your posting is interesting. I just hope your mistaking United Defense for United Technologies isn't an indication of the reliability of your information.
For myself, I must admit my own mistake in my comment above yours. It seems that Carlyle's website indicates that it has "exited" QuEst, the program that services United Technologies.
I still wonder, though, about connections.
COMMENT #28 [Permalink]
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robertsgt40
said on 3/5/2008 @ 7:33 am PT...
Should have renamed Diebold "Premier Independent Selected Solutions or PISS
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Cadavre
said on 3/5/2008 @ 9:50 pm PT...
Dear Barbara,
Thank you for the correction.
Let me assure you so those demons of falsehood that hide under our beds don't sneak in to your dreams. Heres The PR for Robert Kimmit's ssignment at Time Warner
http://www.timewarner.co...r/0,20812,668808,00.html
Here's but one story about Robert's Brother, General Kimmit, dungeon and feces honcho at Abu Ghraib.
And here's some links to documents (under FOIA) that are part of the National Archives. After Kimmit help assure a Reagan Victory. 2 Years after Reagan AIAPAC was formed. Kimmit moved seamlessly from Carter to Reagan.
I hope this info helps to ward off those "I think you're talking out of the side of your mouth Demons"!
COMMENT #30 [Permalink]
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Bud, B.C.Bud
said on 3/6/2008 @ 6:23 am PT...
good info...We know as kids war is wrong, US wouldn't be in iraq if 'they' haven't secretly been pumping to kuwait since '03(Popular Mechanics accidentally showed the new pipeline,commented on it. A pipeline built so fast it must have been planned before the war, wish I knew about who built it! Anyone have access to Accounting records that show Anything to do with the oil pipelines,pumping amounts since then,etc?) We know if the republicans win the next one with all their debt, countrywide gloom, fiscal meltdown and loss of US's Reputation All around the world it will definately have been due to fixing the Machines. I think a public database with everyone able to check that they're on it and that their name/S.I.N/etc is in the correct column would be fairly good, easy to add up and so on.
COMMENT #31 [Permalink]
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Bud, B.C.Bud
said on 3/10/2008 @ 2:55 pm PT...
Weird..After writing the last post I'm suddenly hearing about a new investigation into the pipelines' accounting after years of nothing, When I wrote cnn about getting/telling us the gps co-ordinates when the Iranians captured the Brit ship awhile back, a half hour later(4am)the Brit's unexpectedly released their self-serving version of the co-ordinates 'breaking news' style. It's happenned occasionally. I've also seen my firewall backtrace to the "U.S. ARMY" trying to get in after writing politically here+ there. If they can do any of this stuff on law abiding people no wonder they want to let the internet co.'s off the hook, didn't they record everything for a time(like dem's checking foreign bank accounts, bordellos etc). geez just email me and bribe me to shut up and/or submit strategy ideas,my idealism is waning +I figure what's gonna happen's gonna happen...
COMMENT #32 [Permalink]
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John Master
said on 3/18/2008 @ 8:51 am PT...
This blog should be called "Bonfire of the Paranoids". Too funny!
The Military Industrial Complex is finally gaining control of our voting process. It's about time we had someone organize it properly.
lol