What does it matter if it doesn't count?

Hey Dredd, just for the record what would satisfy you? I mean DRE bans are too forceful (EI purist) and paper ballots aren't the answer, because they can be corrupted too, right? But if a strict chain of custody were enforced on the ballots,we're good? I'm not being difficult just curious.

The proof is in the pudding Ancient. If you like what you got dig it, if not criticize it.

The government has the burden of proof, and if they do not carry that burden fuck them. I have no sympathy for the devil dude.

Ancient:

The Arabs have taken billions of dollars out of this country, and now they must put it back. … It is ebb and flow, tidal gravity…. There are no nations, there are no peoples. There is only one vast and immense, interwoven, multi-national dominion of petro-dollars. … There is no America. There is no ‘democracy.’ The world is a business, one vast and ecumenical holding company, for whom all men will work.”

(Greg Palast, emphasis added). Oilwell come to Amurka.

Whoooaaaa, Whoooaaa, Whoooaaa, Dredd that's a wee bit to easy there, matey. The last puddin (letting scotus decide) gave us this SHIT!

Sorry Dredd, I won't lay down and die that easy, not when I still have clay between my fingers and toes.

Brad, that was the chintziest movie trailer I ever saw!

Ancient and Dredd, are you guys speaking in code again?

Dear Brad,
I was just thinking---
What if you approached a billionaire
philanthropist(maybe Mark Cuban). The you could be,
say, you, Bev Harris, Bruce O'Dell, and Jonathan
Simon. Impress upon the philanthropist the urgency of
the situation regarding democracy and our election
system. If possible get them to watch Uncounted.
Explain to them the urgent need for and benefits of a
public domain national exit poll for the upcoming
election.
Benefits---
1.provide an invaluable tool in the battle to
safeguard the election.
2.provide an invaluable and desperately needed
educational opportunity, with the attendant publicity
of a rich famous person taking such a bold
unprecedented step, for the country to learn about
these issues which must happen if we're going to
change.
3.provide an invaluable public relations coup for the
rich person. An opportunity to become a national hero
while saving the U.S. democracy doesn't come along
every day. Explain that this is a limited offer cuz
the country will not make it through another four
years of this shit.
4.if we were successful and swept enough decent
candidates into office we would then have at least a
two year window to really push for real election
reform and all the other legislation and action on the
oh so many issues that need our urgent attention.
If Mark Cuban(he's already got a leg up on the
issue)or Warren Buffet or George Soros doesn't go for
it, what about ten giant progressive Hollywood stars?
Sean Penn, George Clooney, Tim Robbins, Susan
Sarandon, etc., all chipping in or hell, maybe Oprah
could finance it by herself. How much can it cost? If
she wants Obama to win the best way to give him the
best shot is to have a real election. You live in Los
Angeles, you must hang out by the pool and cocktail
these people up, don't you?
Whoever payrolls it, they hire Mitofsky away from
the media. Or better yet, we create our own People's
National Exit Pollsters. Paid indispensable public
service. We foil the embezzlers!!We win one for the
home team!!!
Besides the obvious difficulty that this is this
country we're talking about here, why couldn't we do
this? I'm serious. Why couldn't we do this? Wouldn't
it be the coolest? The People's Pollsters Safeguarding
the Public's Trust. I love the idea.
love,
Dave
p.s. I know you're not too busy to do this.
p.p.s. In the meantime, I'll keep showing Uncounted to people.

Ancient #5,6; Agent 99 #7

Bev Harris sedd:

After following the ballots back to the ballot vault following Wednesday's recount, she had the opportunity to enter the ballot vault, and noticed what looked like cuts, or slits, in the side of many ballot boxes. New Hampshire officials assured us that these cuts, which slice through the tape and seals do not permit access to the uncounted ballots, pointing to a label on the boxtop which they call a seal.

But the "seal" can be removed, like a Post-it, and reaffixed. So it's not a seal all!

We wanted to know if the ballot boxes were slit while in the vault, in the transport van, or came from the towns with slits in them.

I confirmed this morning that many if not most of the boxes scheduled to be counted today had slits in them. I went out when a vanload of ballots arrived, and saw that they were slit at the time they arrived by van. Susan Pynchon and I drove to two nearby towns and watched as they handed over their ballot boxes to "Butch and Hoppy", the two men who drive around in the state in a van picking the ballots up. We observed as they loaded boxes of ballots into the van with no slits at all in them. We videotaped each of these up close. They arrived at the destination without slits. The label on the top was affixed, but in some cases was crumpled, or also damaged.

Of [course], the label affixed to the top can be removed and reattached without telltale signs.

No vault tonight

A significant departure from the normal chain of custody path occurred tonight. They decided not to use the vault to store the ballots.

(Blackbox Voting, emphasis added).

Election warlords in the bananna republic of Bullshitistan chant like monks: "It is not who votes that counts, but who presents the final ballots that count".

Just checked with our friends over at DKos.

They are still pushing the line that the New Hampshire primaries had no significant problems. There are,according to them,no chain of custody issues,no memory card issues,only slight normal variations in the vote totals and so far the recount shows that everything is just peaches and cream.

I will wait for Brad to weigh in on the recount and what it has or has not revealed before I form any opinions regarding it.

Bev Harris update:

In New Hampshire, the ballot chain of custody is a bunch of broken cardboard boxes with a post-it on top.

(BBV).