READER COMMENTS ON
"BREAKING EXCLUSIVE: Resignation of Former Rove Aide, Arkansas US Attorney Griffin, Came After Conyers Requested 'Vote Caging' Evidence from BBC"
(63 Responses so far...)
COMMENT #1 [Permalink]
said on 5/31/2007 @ 10:48 pm PT...
I told you Griffin was dirty.
Want a real treat? Find the connections between Thor Hearne, Brad Schlozman, & the Bush Family.
One hint: Think about automobiles
COMMENT #2 [Permalink]
said on 5/31/2007 @ 11:45 pm PT...
It just gets better and better. Democrats, don't get to smug. In the unlikely event that you don't screw things up and get the U.S. Presidency back you'll have Greg Palast watching your every move too.
COMMENT #3 [Permalink]
said on 6/1/2007 @ 12:11 am PT...
We need to take a cue from the Venezuelans and start denying a license to use our public airwaves to our war profiteering corporate news monopolies--that is, after we have restored our right to vote.
Their 24/7 war propaganda and black-holing of election fraud news--such as Palast's voter "caging" story, and the takeover of our election system by voting machines run on "TRADE SECRET," PROPRIETARY programming code, owned and controlled by rightwing Bushite corporations--the two most important news stories of the 21st century--is sufficent cause for the public to exercise its sovereign right to regulate the airwaves, and bust their asses.
We use to have the "Fairness Doctrine," which, among other things, required that all TV/radio stations give equal time to opposing views on public issues. It's time to restore that principle. Free speech is for PEOPLE--not for corporations.
In Venezuela, one of their corporate news monopolies, RCTV, actively partipated in a violent military coup attempt. That's why the Venezuelan government denied them a license renewal. But you don't have to have that kind of cause. Corporations have NO inherent right to use the public airwaves. Their monopolistic practices and the steady diet of fascist opinion and slanted "news" is plenty of cause to bust them up and give these licenses to small, competitive news organizations. We do NOT have to put up with it!
One other lesson from Venezuela: They use electronic voting, but it is an OPEN SOURCE CODE system--anyone may review the code by which votes are counted--and they handcount a whopping 55% of the ballots as a check on machine fraud. Know how much WE handcount? If you don't know, you'd better find out, cuz that and voter "caging lists" are the whole ballgame.
Many thanks to Greg Palast, and to Brad, for continuing to fight for democracy in the U.S.!
COMMENT #4 [Permalink]
said on 6/1/2007 @ 1:32 am PT...
John, Greg and Brad:
I SALUTE YOU!
COMMENT #5 [Permalink]
JUDGE OF JUDGES
said on 6/1/2007 @ 2:10 am PT...
COMMENT #6 [Permalink]
said on 6/1/2007 @ 2:43 am PT...
So that's that for
"Have you told Congress?"
and (by inference)
"Do the emails really exist?"
Next up on
Emergency Obfuscation Manuevers ... er... Administration Talking Points:
"We didn't mean it that way"
"It actually wasn't illegal if we did it."
"Griffin meant well but acted on his own."
"We do not recall."
"We'll throw Griffin under the bus."
"We will ignore your subppoenas."
Kudos to Palast and the BBC crew.
Now... bets: which of the CMSM will cover Palast's role in the investigation properly? Which will pretend the information came out of nowhere? And which will directly counter-attack Palast?
Snark: ... and now hopefully Palast will feel vindicated enough to not respond to folks who honestly question his findings as if they were all juvenile wingnuts.
Still... this is good news, and it will be very good news if the committee members actually treat this as an investigation and do their research in advance this time... as opposed to treating the hearings as just another TV photo op.
COMMENT #7 [Permalink]
said on 6/1/2007 @ 2:54 am PT...
I wonder what the ride is like for bus passengers in DC between Pennsylvania Ave. and Capitol Hill nowadays...
COMMENT #8 [Permalink]
said on 6/1/2007 @ 3:46 am PT...
Drat and friends at dKos,
You should be ashamed of yourselves for moling and trolling.
COMMENT #9 [Permalink]
said on 6/1/2007 @ 4:40 am PT...
And the cats in the cradle and the silver spoon
Little boy blue and the man in the moon
When you comin home, dad, I don’t know when,
But we'll get together then,
You know we'll have a good time then.
(Harry Chapin, emphasis added).
COMMENT #10 [Permalink]
said on 6/1/2007 @ 5:17 am PT...
Okay Greg, you got the small fry, please go after the phony MSM network polling outfit, or the IFES, the seller of the hack-boxes around the world.
Snip from Landes site (emphasis mine) [...]F. Clifton White (IFES) worked with CIA director William Casey on the Reagan administration's pro-contra propaganda network.(2) According to a November 1986 memo from Walter Raymond to National Security Adviser John Poindexter, White was to be in charge of the formation of a group modeled after the bipartisan cold war champion, Committee on the Present Danger, but focusing on Central America.(2) White and Richard Scammon of IFES lunched with the Soviet Central Election Commission to the U.S. during their November 1989 visit.
She has old info, dead guys replaced with living, maybe you could bring it up to date ?
This is fraud on a worldwide scale IMO. Link to Landes' site
COMMENT #11 [Permalink]
said on 6/1/2007 @ 6:16 am PT...
(The zapkitty sighs and wonders what is the singular attraction of a circular firing squad for reform types?...)
Dredd, drational drew wrong conclusions from the data available. He did acknowledge this later, even apologizing for some things he said that unecessarily inflamed matters.
Palast didn't help his case by his original response which was... rather unprofessional.
And that's all.
COMMENT #12 [Permalink]
Rob Carrillo Cohen
said on 6/1/2007 @ 6:36 am PT...
I have to agree with comment four, when history looks back on the evolution of this particular story - but I think Carol got the order a little wrong.
1st. Greg 2. Then to Brad 3. John brings up the finish
Maybe 4th would go to Slate but there is no room for 4th place on the podium. Great work Brad. It is always an inspiration to wake up to a new day with news like this at Bradblog.
COMMENT #13 [Permalink]
said on 6/1/2007 @ 6:48 am PT...
GREAT comment, Peace Patriot! Couldn't agree more! Take away their licenses, they're not serving the public, their serving corporate America!
"We need to take a cue from the Venezuelans and start denying a license to use our public airwaves to our war profiteering corporate news monopolies--that is, after we have restored our right to vote.
Their 24/7 war propaganda and black-holing of election fraud news--such as Palast's voter "caging" story, and the takeover of our election system by voting machines run on "TRADE SECRET," PROPRIETARY programming code, owned and controlled by rightwing Bushite corporations--the two most important news stories of the 21st century--is sufficent cause for the public to exercise its sovereign right to regulate the airwaves, and bust their asses."
COMMENT #14 [Permalink]
said on 6/1/2007 @ 7:02 am PT...
#3 Peace Patriot --- Right on. The CMSM has mocked democracy and has been an active participant in promoting unconstitutional and criminal action. We don't have to put up with it.
About the subject of Brad's post...I'll cheer when I see something actually happen. Conyers is "not through with Griffin." That's not quite enough to break out the champaign yet.
COMMENT #15 [Permalink]
said on 6/1/2007 @ 7:23 am PT...
Here is the MSM and the polling company "Forcing" the polls after the fact to make the poll look more like the "official" hacked vote, from a not too old article by Rob Kall Op-ed news.
"By Wednesday afternoon the Edison-Mitofsky poll had been adjusted, by a process known as "forcing," to match the reported vote totals for the election. This forcing process is done to supply data for future demographic analysis, the main purpose of the Exit Poll. It involved re-weighting every response so that the sum of those responses matched the reported election results. The final result, posted at 1:00 p.m. November 8, showed the adjusted Democratic vote at 52.6 percent and the Republican vote at 45.0 percent, a 7.6 percent margin exactly mirroring the reported vote totals."
" The forcing process in this instance reveals a great deal. The Party affiliation of the respondents in the original 7:07 p.m. election night Exit Poll closely reflected the 2004 Bush-Kerry election margin. After the forcing process, 49-percent of respondents reported voting for Republican George W. Bush in 2004, while only 43-percent reported voting for Democrat John Kerry. This 6-percent gap is more than twice the size of the actual 2004 Bush margin of 2.8 percent, and a clear distortion of the 2006 electorate."
Link to full article
Check it out
COMMENT #16 [Permalink]
said on 6/1/2007 @ 7:50 am PT...
I commend Rep Conyers, Greg Palast and Brad Friedman for putting this evidence on the front-burner of the Committee and possbly getting the a few more in the press to notice---but I agree with Arry: saying you are not done with Griffin is not the same as doing anything worthwhile with this information. We need to keep pressure on the Committee to DO something constructive. What I fear is some end-of-committee report that divides into minority-majority opinion, and the minority says this information is nothing more than an accusation while the majority says its evidence of widespread corruption, and the result is some really terrible oversight legislation that says "don't do it again" but has no teeth.
If nothing happens, the American voter will have been told nothing more than "beware" when you go to vote, but it's really up to you to cope with caging, challengers at the polls and registrars, and voting machines with vapor-trails instead of paper trails.
I fear the latter is where we are headed.
COMMENT #17 [Permalink]
said on 6/1/2007 @ 9:06 am PT...
Thank you GP for bringing this to the smoking gun stage and bringing the obvious (to many of us) into the light of day....unfortunately just one more smoking gun in a long, long list of smoking guns. The evidence is now in that with each exposure of his treasonous cabal Hr.* is preparing for marshal law in order that he may form a dictatorship to protect the evil that he has done. Even if you think this is farfetched we must adhere to the sound advice of history and prepare for the worst and hope for the best.
Waiting for the next mihop.
COMMENT #18 [Permalink]
said on 6/1/2007 @ 9:16 am PT...
Butter, Root beer and toilet paper for everyone!!!
I know I'm being a little hard on the Rovium specimen here. I mean, I'm sure he buys everything else at his local organic farmer's market.
COMMENT #19 [Permalink]
said on 6/1/2007 @ 11:45 am PT...
Hope this isn't a duplicate:
Dan Bartlett, one of President Bush's most trusted advisers and his longest-serving aide, said Friday he is resigning to begin a career outside of government.
The move was announced on Bartlett's 36th birthday. He has been with Bush for nearly 14 years ...
(Huff Po). I could not help but wonder, since he is such a nut-case neoCon, if he was caught up in the caging and coverup too?
COMMENT #20 [Permalink]
said on 6/1/2007 @ 12:16 pm PT...
I have been a huge admirer of Greg Palast for many years. Yesterday, after watching this video of Palast, I don’t know if I can ever trust him again.
Palast, attempting to debunk the 9/11 controlled demolition theory, uncharacteristically resorts to ad hominem attacks, and blatantly contradicts himself several times. He does not address ANY evidence. In a fit of intellectual dishonesty, he tries to discredit respected physicist Dr. Steven E. Jones by refering to the man’s religion (he’s a Mormon) as if it has anything to do with his acclaimed scientific work.
FOR SHAME MR. PALAST! Does Palast think we are as stupid as all those right-wingers watching Fox? Smart people see through this crap Greg! Can anyone say Emmanuel Goldstein? (if you don’t know who Emmanuel Goldstein is, read George Orwell’s 1984).
COMMENT #21 [Permalink]
said on 6/1/2007 @ 12:48 pm PT...
Peace Patriot is correct, of course. Until we regain control of the media we are screwed. Sean Hannity is already making noises about how unfair it would be for the Fairness Doctrine to be re-instated. He contends that since liberals control the TV and print media, the only place for conservatives to be heard is on talk radio.
But hell, if you're going to bust corporate control of the MSM, don't stop there:
1. Strip of their wealth all those who have profited by debauching our Republic, exactly as drug dealers are treated. And if the profiteers are dead, take it from survivors. Leave their families impoverished. For more details, study the French and Russian Revolutions.
2. Announce that as of now, new foreign debts will be considered invalid after the Republic is restored. Make it clear that the current Administration does not have our consent to borrow any more money to prop itself up.
(Disclaimer: I'm not advocating revolution. That is against the law.)
COMMENT #22 [Permalink]
said on 6/1/2007 @ 12:49 pm PT...
Discordian, do you call a plumber to fix your computer and a programmer when your toilet is clogged?
Palast doesn't know anything about 9/11, but he knows a lot about election stuff. There are plenty of people who know a lot about election stuff, but nothing about 9/11.
The real problem is programmers giving advice about plumbing and plumbers giving advice about computers.
Forget about what people say. Look for the sources and documentation. If they have them, cool. If they don't, they're blowing hot air.
COMMENT #23 [Permalink]
said on 6/1/2007 @ 2:16 pm PT...
Well said Mark! I think your comments are true. Especially the last sentence.
On the other hand, Greg is neither a plummer, programmer, engineeer, physicist, vote-stealing politician, butcher, baker, or candlestick maker; he is a journalist. For a journalist, credibility is the name of the game, especially in the so-called "left-wing" media.
For those who study the alternative media carefully, and have an interest in the hidden influence of the American intelligence community in the arts and left-wing activism (often through philanthropic organizations like the Ford Foundation), Greg's uncharacteristically emotional outburst is significant.
COMMENT #24 [Permalink]
said on 6/1/2007 @ 3:24 pm PT...
Hypothesis: He has he been labeled a "left-wing conspiracy theorist" for so long by the Bush administration and the commercial mainstream media... the CMSM that essentially ostracized and exiled him while they snuggled up to the Bush regime... for so long that he's acquired a set of knee-jerk reactions to anyone or anything that he even thinks might equate him with the "looney left"... for his particular values of "looney left"...
The benefit of this hypothesis is that it explains his occassional lapses of professionalism without resorting to further elaborate theories.
And the drawbacks of the hypothesis are...?
COMMENT #25 [Permalink]
said on 6/1/2007 @ 3:57 pm PT...
There is a whole universe of powerful people to whom one cannot get access if one is associated too closely with the 9/11 Truth movement, and plenty of otherwise great journalists and activists simply choose not to piss them off in order to make headway in other areas. The vociferous abnegation part bespeaks the desperation of one's desire not to displease the powers in this way. I just wish those who have made this choice would simply say, when asked, that they don't know and want to leave that issue for those who have decided to use their time on that issue. It would go a long way toward making an atmosphere where 9/11 Truth --- any truth, really --- is allowed into public discourse, without unduly discomfitting those who wish to focus on other issues they've found more compelling, or just easier to deal with. Not so much to ask, is it?
COMMENT #26 [Permalink]
said on 6/1/2007 @ 4:07 pm PT...
Regarding Comment 15:
Smoking Gun: The Final National Exit Poll
The Final 2004 National Exit Poll (NEP) is the smoking gun of election fraud. The NEP has always been matched to the recorded vote on the assumption that it is accurate. But it is a fact that in every election millions of votes are cast but never counted and most of them (70-80%) are Democratic. Therefore, it is immediately obvious that the recorded vote did not reflect the true vote. Uncounted votes are a combination of spoiled, absentee and provisional ballots. Florida 2000 and Ohio 2004 are obvious examples. In addition to these uncounted votes, we will show that millions of votes must have been switched from Kerry to Bush.
The Final NEP was forced to match the recorded vote by adjusting the “How Voted in 2000” weights to Bush 43/Gore 37%. The Bush 43% weighting is impossible since it implies that 52.59mm of the recorded 2004 total of 122.3mm voted for Bush in 2000. But this is 2.13mm more than his 50.46mm recorded vote. And it’s 3.9mm more than the 48.7mm Bush 2000 voters who were living in 2004. Furthermore, since some Bush 2000 voters did not vote in 2004, his true weighting had to be lower than 39.8%.
If we assume a 95% turnout (46.27mm) of Bush 2000 voters in 2004, the Bush weighting is reduced to a feasible 37.8% (46.27/122.3). Since impossible weights were required in order to match the recorded vote, the only logical conclusion is that the recorded vote must also have been impossible. The weights become Bush 37.0/Kerry 37.4% when they are calculated based on the Census 2004 total of 125.7 million votes cast (assuming a 95% turnout and 3.0% mortality rate).
COMMENT #27 [Permalink]
said on 6/1/2007 @ 4:40 pm PT...
... in the clip referenced by DiscoPope, Palast asserts that he is associated with one aspect of the 9/11 truth movement: the ones who believe that Bin-laden's crew did the deeds but that the Bush regime either deliberately turned a blind eye to the impending attacks or even encouraged them.
(Which doesn't sound quite so crazy when you realize that such an attack is literally described in the neocon's long-range plans for their power grab laid out well before 9/11... and factor in their faithfulness to those plans after 9/11.)
So I guess my point is this: isn't the clip representative of factional infighting more than anything else?
COMMENT #28 [Permalink]
said on 6/1/2007 @ 5:19 pm PT...
Didn't come off that way to me, Zap. The net effect seemed to be that he wanted to convey that he knows they're all liars, but he looked into it and found bubkes for evidence. LIHOP only makes sense if one can also say that somebody, if not the administration, MIHOP by blowing up those buildings. Doesn't matter whose goofy religious beliefs make them easy targets for derision: THE LAWS OF PHYSICS DO NOT PERMIT ANY OTHER EXPLANATION. A quick look around the net shows that assertions about a lack of experts are bullshit. I think Greg should be ashamed of his performance in that interview, resolve to just leave the subject alone, shrug when asked, and get on with his work in other areas. This besmirching of serious people is gratuitous, and grinding down others with uphill battles to further one's own is how reality gets pushed ever further from public view. It costs one nothing to be generous enough to say "I don't know" and leave it at that, but I think too many people feel it's not ingratiating enough to stay mute on this subject. Too many people subconsciously feel their own issues are better served if they actively try to differentiate themselves this way. My point is that this leaves us all wallowing in delusion. Effective action in our multifarious crises is impossible when that is our basis.
COMMENT #29 [Permalink]
said on 6/1/2007 @ 5:33 pm PT...
"By Wednesday afternoon the Edison-Mitofsky poll had been adjusted, by a process known as "forcing," to match the reported vote totals for the election."
Don't you f*cking LOVE IT, when they make up a word for CHANGING THE F*CKING RESULTS???????????????
"Forcing"!!! Don't you love it???
FORCING means CHANGING THE F*CKING POLL TO MATCH THE HACKED RESULTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just like "participating in your insurance" means YOU'RE PAYING MORE F*CKING INSURANCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
These slick shady "word marketers" SUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
COMMENT #30 [Permalink]
said on 6/1/2007 @ 5:34 pm PT...
...I mean, THEY'RE SAYING IT RIGHT TO OUR FACES: "MATCHING THE POLL TO THE COUNT"!!!
THEN WHAT GOOD IS A POLL??????????????
DID WE ALL TAKE RETARD PILLS OR SOMETHING???
COMMENT #31 [Permalink]
said on 6/1/2007 @ 5:37 pm PT...
"You see, we didn't change the polls to match the count, we did a complicated procedure called 'forcing'...which means we 'adjusted' the polls to match the count!" LIARS!
COMMENT #32 [Permalink]
said on 6/1/2007 @ 6:07 pm PT...
Someplace I read an interview with Mitofsky. He said it was part of refining the "science" of poll taking to adjust the polls to the result; a matter of refining them year by year to be more accurate.
Stephen Freeman, of course, blows that idea to hell. Mitofsky seems unable to factor in election fraud, as if ignoring the most likely explanation for the discrepancies would be political and "unscientific".
Mitofsky needs to enroll in remedial logic.
COMMENT #33 [Permalink]
said on 6/1/2007 @ 6:11 pm PT...
It's about time! We might get lucky and get rid ofRove & company.
COMMENT #34 [Permalink]
Grizzly Bear Dancer
said on 6/1/2007 @ 6:29 pm PT...
Good work on the caging issue Greg.
So World Trade Tower building #7 just fell down in 6 seconds because it was taking a hint from the twins that blew up 10 hours earlier?
The structure collapsed control demolition style (watch any video footage). It evidences the top disintegrating into dust falling into the center where the support beams are taken out first so it fall in it's own footprint. For example, HAD the 47 story steel concrete building simply fallen over, then other possible theories could be applicable.
But NOooo..there were no arabs wielding boxcutters or hijacked aircraft that could be used as an excuse for bringing down this evacuated building that had a containable structure fire burning on one of the floors. Surrounded by police and fire departments, World Trade Towers are the only 3 structure EVER to fall from fire IN HISTORY.
It might not be fun for stupid Americans, however there is a lot of evidence for anyone who wishes to spend some time looking into the truth about Cheney's false flag war games. Taking into account that MOST the physical evidence mysteriously "disappeared" and the scrap metal was shipped over seas unlike a detailed forensic investigation on a US TV COP show.
That's why Building #7 will FOREVER BE THE HISTORICAL EVIDENCE THAT THE BUSH-CHENEY IMPERIALISTS IN CONJUCTION WITH SOME PEOPLE INSIDE THE US MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR 9/11. Norad stood down. It is amazingly sad that these manipulative, lying, destructive bastards with their anti-environmental agenda are still in power. gUILIANI is also a common criminal liar and completely involved with the inside job coverup.
Wake up and smell the coffee Greg (or tea). It will be American tea time once again real soon because these Fascist criminals are going down. Thanks for the help! That goes for Bradblog as well.
COMMENT #35 [Permalink]
said on 6/1/2007 @ 7:01 pm PT...
Another fun piece from that article in comment #15
"The numbers tell us there absolutely was hacking going on, just not enough to overcome the size of the actual turnout. The tide turned so much in the last few weeks before the election. It looks for all the world that they'd already figured out the percentage they needed to rig, when the programming of the vote rigging software was distributed weeks before the election, and it wasn't enough," Castleman commented
COMMENT #36 [Permalink]
said on 6/1/2007 @ 9:59 pm PT...
A staggering and rare major triumph for the good guys! Thank the stars for people like Conyers.
COMMENT #37 [Permalink]
said on 6/1/2007 @ 10:19 pm PT...
And well said, Grizzly.
Greg Palast, we love ya, but look at the freaking video of Building 7 falling --- you can see the goddamn squibs going off.
End. of. story.
COMMENT #38 [Permalink]
said on 6/1/2007 @ 11:15 pm PT...
Arry #32, Mitofsky is no longer composing false vote tallies. He is now decomposing, and won't be enrolling anywhere.
Floridiot #35, that is also my take on what happened in 2006. That October was a catastrophically bad month for the Republicans. It almost made me believe in divine intervention.
COMMENT #39 [Permalink]
said on 6/1/2007 @ 11:38 pm PT...
Over the past two weeks I have emailed and called various Democrats, IAVA and Vote Vets on several occasions… pleading with them to educate themselves about vote purging…linking them to Brad Bog and the Greg Palast articles….etc. I suggested they run ads like the “Generals ads”…demanding answers as to why the votes of minorities serving in the military are not being counted if they are serving overseas. Is this the “democracy” they are fighting and dying for??? I believe an ad featuring vets is one way to push this story into the media. Remember the Republicans screaming about counting the military votes in 2000?
Also a man I met who helped train Marines said many of them know the government’s 911 story is crap. He said a Marine in San Diego showed one of the 911 movies to a group of fellow Marines and then went AWOL.
We need people serving in the military to start speaking out more about election theft and 9/11. It’s already started re 9/11 (see www.911blogger.com ). A friend of mine showed her very right wing “Why do you hate America?” Republican girlfriend 911 MYSTERIES. Half way through the movie she turned off the TV and started pacing the room……saying, “It’s so obvious!....Why aren't we hearing about this?!!! I have to tell people!!....etc…
My sense is more and more people are ready for the truth. I just hope it’s not too late.
COMMENT #40 [Permalink]
said on 6/2/2007 @ 1:36 am PT...
I agree UNI, My questions have always been these, Why is it that the Dems/Libs always have to overcome a +10% vote deficit in every election cycle ?
Why is this obvious discrepancy not thoroughly investigated by the Feds ?
Are the 1%ers preventing any legitimate investigations into this ?
Or is it the Military Industrial Complex holding us back ?
This isn't just a case of some Republican™ NERDs fucking around causing all of this. In part yes, but a small one.
We need some serious investigations here, not some crap that just keeps going around in circles, like what has been happening since the late 60s early 70s and earlier.
This needs to be laser-sighted in and exposed.
IMO, of course
With the nets and people like Brad and Greg, I'm hoping that will put an end to this shit.
COMMENT #41 [Permalink]
said on 6/2/2007 @ 7:53 am PT...
GBD: I always thought maybe the Pa. plane was supposed to hit WTC-7...makes sense to me. WTC-7 is a loose end, and the Pa. plane is a loose end...they fit together. Just my thoughts on that.
WTC-7 doesn't make sense any other way, in my opinion.
And btw, for all you non-believers, I think your idiots if you think a 47 story building a block or so away that WASN'T hit by a plane, falls demolition-style in 6 seconds due to fire. Maybe YOU were taking RETARD PILLS, too!
I'm sorry, but I'm not retarded...
COMMENT #42 [Permalink]
said on 6/2/2007 @ 7:57 am PT...
Hey! Did you hear, that a 50 story skyscraper caught fire in St. Louis, and totally fell to the ground in its own footprint in 6 seconds? I made that up, but see how stupid that sounds? You don't have to be a genius to realize this... Based on logic, I have no other choice than to believe what I believe.
COMMENT #43 [Permalink]
said on 6/2/2007 @ 12:04 pm PT...
Big Dan # 41
I've always wondered if an office in WT7 was used as a 'command post' for the demolition of the twin towers......some place close in which to 'press' the detonation button etc. So, after the dirty deed had been done, what better way to get rid of the evidence.....detonate that building also......a quick and easy way out.
COMMENT #44 [Permalink]
said on 6/2/2007 @ 12:31 pm PT...
All the 9/11 truth crowd shoudl understand this....without free and open elections, NO TRUTH will ever be uncovered.
Our 1st priority MUST be ensuring the integrity of our elections.
Also, Check out Time magazine, seems Karl's being implicated in another flawed gubernatorial election, this time in Alabama. His job this time? To shut up the disaffected loser in a tight race who's opponent won the Governor seat after loosing all night long and then seeing a mysterious surge just before the polls closed.
Gee....where have we seen that pattern before?
COMMENT #45 [Permalink]
said on 6/2/2007 @ 12:39 pm PT...
Caging exits. I saw it in the early seventies. Greg, you are spot on here. It is a given that folks monkey with your vote.
Now on to the harder questions. Again. you are one to do your homework.
WTC 7 fell down because of a fuel-driven fire? Greg, you are a forensic accountant first and a journalist second. It is unusual if not inherently impossible for steel beams to behave the way it is. This is a forensic problem and subject to scientific proof.
On 9-11, I was told that this attack was a "false flag" job as it was happening. I have been thinking about and reading books and postings about the circumstances ever since.
My questions have not been answered. It would seem that the forensics would be simple. I remember that all the metal was quickly removed. But the physics remains.
But how can planes U-turn without air traffic controllers notifying appropriate authorities. How could further hijackings take place. What SEC records were destroyed? Enron records? A two-fer one operation?
If the Administration lied about WMD in Iraq then is it lying about 9-11 to a gullible populace?
COMMENT #46 [Permalink]
said on 6/2/2007 @ 1:02 pm PT...
Deepthroat in #45.
If the Administration lied about WMD in Iraq then is it lying about 9-11 to a gullible populace?
Of COURSE they are...but it won't mean jack shit unless we can TAKE BACK OUR ONLY REAL VOICE IN GOVERNMENT...THE ELECTION.
It Won't mean a god damned thing until we beat these bastards down who think it's ok to fuck with my god dam vote.
COMMENT #47 [Permalink]
said on 6/2/2007 @ 1:33 pm PT...
Dan: "our only real voice in government" is made mute by lobbyists almost immediately after any election. It is the hope of many in the 9/11 Truth movement that exposing the real culprits would finally motivate the people enough to overcome all of these stubborn obstacles to democracy, justice and peace. I'd say there is a little constellation of absolute priorities right now, election integrity being one of them. It isn't either this issue or that issue; it's more this set of issues or it's over.
COMMENT #48 [Permalink]
said on 6/2/2007 @ 1:44 pm PT...
I respectfully disagree Agent99.
if you dilute the message here, you dilute the product of that message. 9/11 is history. Election 2008 is what's next, in front of us. And the current Democratic leadership DOES NOT SEEM TO HAVE GOTTEN THE MESSAGE.
Politicians SHOULD fear for their jobs. But they shouldn't fear their party leadership, they shouldn't fear the corporate lobbyists, she should fear US.
If the fear us...they will have no choice but to respect us.
COMMENT #49 [Permalink]
said on 6/2/2007 @ 2:02 pm PT...
I don't propose diluting the message. I propose making it loud enough to hold the day. Politicians do fear for their jobs, but have found that blowing smoke up our asses pretty much covers that worry, whether our votes are counting or not. I'm not saying election integrity is not vital, absolutely essential; I'm saying it isn't enough by itself. There's too much money they cannot pass up for it to be any other way. This means the people have to be motivated on a scale much larger than they are already. And, voting is not our only real voice.
They are not afraid enough of the loss of our votes, clearly. Some think they need to fear physical violence. Dan, we need numbers much bigger than all the registered voters put together, let alone as divided as we are, to make them properly afraid of us. Motivating in numbers impressive enough is key. Think about it. They do.
COMMENT #50 [Permalink]
said on 6/2/2007 @ 2:15 pm PT...
The coming arrest of Rove, the indictment of 1/2 of the RNC, the impeachment of Cheney, the subpeona of RNC computer systems...followed by the firing or resignation of EVERY SINGLE Bush DoJ appointee.
THAT is what we need.
Palast is SPOT ON regarding caging and the theft of elections. You dilute that message by disparaging him over 9/11. This would mark the 2nd time in 2 decades these fucktards have been caught screwing up elections. Truth is, they've been at it longer than ANYONE really knows. And they've been fucking with MORE than just presidential and congressional elections too. Follow the link I posted regarding Alabama Gubernatorial election theft, and the role Rove played... they're fucking with elections at the STATE level too!!!!!
I Personally believe the THEFT of American elections has been happening for decades, and that NOW THAT it's OUT...this is THE SINGLE GREATEST CRISIS OUR NATION EVER FACED. We can't dilute, merely because you think Palast was wrong in his characterization of the governments role in 9/11.
But, Big Deal..EVEN IF GW and his cronies Set up 9/11, we will still survive as a nation.
BUT...If they continue to chip away at this Nation's elections, then this nation will CEASE TO EXIST AS A DEMOCRACY.
COMMENT #51 [Permalink]
said on 6/2/2007 @ 2:34 pm PT...
If you go to my sidebar and click on Bobby's picture, you will see soon enough I agree wholeheartedly about Greg's work on election fraud, and I had that up almost as soon as it was available to link. It doesn't seem to me as though you are in a mood to consider my position, though, so I'll just shut up for now.
COMMENT #52 [Permalink]
said on 6/2/2007 @ 3:48 pm PT...
I agree Dan.... we must have valid elections to see real change. But since so few Americans even bother to vote....I think it's going to take a good kick in the head with the truth about 9/11 to wake them from their lazy,narcissistic slumber. People need to see the EVIL that has taken hold of this country....get off their butts...take to the streets and ...yes ...vote!
COMMENT #53 [Permalink]
said on 6/2/2007 @ 3:58 pm PT...
Hello? Can we stick to the issue at hand? Conyers, Caging, busting the RNC and Karl Rove?
Focusing on the new Exclusive from Brad and Greg, I, for one, AM GIDDY WITH DELIGHT!
Congratulations and thanks are in order and fully given here. Kudos Kudos Kudos Kudos Kudos Kudos Kudos
Oh, and beware of those ready to discredit Greg Palast at this most opportune time...
COMMENT #54 [Permalink]
said on 6/2/2007 @ 4:30 pm PT...
I truly don't mean to be impertinent, but it occurs to me that if we all paid a little less attention to credit and discredit and a little more to truth itself, we'd be in so much better shape. After all, credit and discredit do take care of themselves in the end.
COMMENT #55 [Permalink]
said on 6/2/2007 @ 5:14 pm PT...
That's fine... just as long as pointing out the occasions where he screws up is not automatically cataloged as "attempting to discredit him" by his fanbase...
COMMENT #56 [Permalink]
said on 6/2/2007 @ 10:39 pm PT...
FAR OUT...!! we have been screaming 'bout this for a week or more..Praise the Lord..some one else..some one who can do something about it..(Please, Mr. Conyers, Please) has noticed.....maybe there is some justice left, in this country after all
COMMENT #57 [Permalink]
said on 6/3/2007 @ 12:26 am PT...
I could NOT resist. I sent the following to Fox News:
I've been trying to find your coverage of Tim Griffin's resignation, as well as Congressman John Conyers' meeting with Greg Palast, but I'm not having any luck. My lack of success in finding them on your site is probably due to my cranky, old, uncooperative, computer. Would you please direct me to the right link?
Thank you ever so kindly.
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COMMENT #58 [Permalink]
said on 6/3/2007 @ 1:35 am PT...
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do need more People like Brad Friedman, Greg Palast, and [hopefully] John Conyers.
COMMENT #59 [Permalink]
said on 6/3/2007 @ 6:09 am PT...
What happened to all the previous posters, who were bashing Greg Palast for not bringing this to the attention of someone in congress? Gee! I think I see a picture of Greg Palast with John Conyers...unless my LASIK surgery needs "tweeking"!!!
TO ALL YOU SHILLS POSTING ON BRAD BLOG:
IS THAT A PICTURE OF GREG PALAST WITH REP. JOHN CONYERS? OR NOT??????????? OR DID BRAD USE SOFTWARE TO "DOCTOR UP" THIS PICTURE????
COMMENT #60 [Permalink]
Off the Grid
said on 6/3/2007 @ 7:52 pm PT...
COMMENT #61 [Permalink]
said on 6/4/2007 @ 12:29 am PT...
I hope this isn't too far off topic. It's centered on Arkansas and its crooked media and politics. If it is too far off topic, then mea culpa.
As I previously posted here on The Brad Blog https://bradblog.com/?p=4594#comment-229349 [apologies, but I cannot seem to get the link feature to work properly], a certain Arkansas newspaper refrains from sending real breaking news emails in favor of their version of breaking news.
Right after that post I made another [ https://bradblog.com/?p=4594#comment-229355 ] about the arithmetic problems needed to be solved in order to be able to get the email address of one of our republican congressmen from http://www.house.gov/writerep/. After making the second post I went back to http://www.house.gov/writerep/ in order to actually tell said congressman my thoughts and the problem that had to be solved then was "what is 1 x one?" HA!
Now, those things above are bad enough, I think, but I ran across a kicker today. Same newspaper, same political party.
“GOP chief: New strategy key" is the title of the article that was not considered important enough to be considered "breaking news" [unlike articles about Wal-Mart that are].
What is so all-fired important about this article? Several things, actually. One is a quote from the Arkansas GOP’s new chief, Dennis Milligan. He actually had the audacity to say we need MORE attacks like 9/11 in order to get more people to appreciate Bush and the massacre that is [too] commonly called the war on terror.
RE: ‘“At the end of the day, I believe fully the president is doing the right thing, and I think all we need is some attacks on American soil like we had on [Sept. 11, 2001 ], and the naysayers will come around very quickly to appreciate not only the commitment for President Bush, but the sacrifice that has been made by men and women to protect this country,” Milligan said.’
Another troublesome thing in the article concerns Milligan’s comments concerning the state’s surplus funds and former Arkansas Governor--and current presidential candidate--Mike Huckabee [R].
RE: ‘“If you give me a $ 900 million surplus, I probably could make things look pretty good,” he said, referring to the state’s projected surplus of $ 919 million by the end of this month.’
‘“I am happy for any of them that are putting their name on the line and running,” he said, “and I certainly wish Gov. Huckabee the very, very best.”’
For anyone who does not know, Milligan’s “esteemed” fellow churchman, Mike Huckabee, put a stop to a major [full] college scholarship fund for Arkansas’ poor, but gifted, students. This fund changed the life of many Arkansans, allowing them to receive an education that otherwise would have been impossible. No more, though. Arkansas’ impoverished, and their futures, are not important to some people it seems. Maybe bragging about their surplus, a surplus at least partially acquired at the expense of bright young Arkansans living in poverty, is not a righteous thing to be doing?!?!?
I guess that wishing the best to a presidential candidate, even if he is your fellow churchman [and was, supposedly, a Southern Baptist minister and president of the Arkansas Baptist State Convention from 1989 to 1991 and president of a religious-oriented television station. source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Huckabee], who cares so little about the disadvantaged in Arkansas--and their future--isn’t so surprising when coming from a man who thinks we need more attacks like 9/11!
[Thank you for allowing me to vent my frustrations with the most crooked state in the Union, the CMSM, and the Republican party. I do sincerely apologize if I strayed too far off topic for your liking.]
COMMENT #62 [Permalink]
said on 6/4/2007 @ 6:09 am PT...
Agent 99 #25, #28, #54
Well said and reasonable.
COMMENT #63 [Permalink]
Thomas L Jones
said on 6/5/2007 @ 5:47 pm PT...
To: Brad Friedman
From: Thomas L. Jones, PhD, Computer Science
Subject: Broken links
The subject is your otherwise excellent page at:
Please direct your attention to the HTML code involved in the following links:
Unfortunately, the HTML code is not correct, and the links will not work. Please fix.
All the best and hope this helps.
Move the U.S.A. forward!