Boy, your up early, kiddo

You have to get up early in the morning... Good on ya, Brad! Where is George Soros when we really need his wallet? I've lived in the heart of Europe for 15 years, Having traded H.W. in for Vaclav Havel, but the stench of America's rotting democracy permeates the air here still. The rest of the world is counting on you, Brad, and all the true Progressives out there. It's pretty much now or never, so let's do it now! Just say the word and I'll head for Kiev to recruit a slew of Ukrainians to cross the Big Ditch to help out in November. Orange is the color of the day - see ya at the revolution - I'll be the aging hippy in the orange T-shirt and the stylish, three-cornered, tinfoil pillbox hat...

Until the electronic voting system is proven the state (applies to all of them) should be responsible for financing recounts. How nuts to make us pay to prove they've chosen fraudable crap? Especially when they refuse to secure them!

There are millions unaccounted for in implementing voting machines under HAVA..They work for us and yet they can set these arbitrary fees to prove they weren't breaking the law when there is evidence already that proves they break the laws all the time. It's time to stop this sham of a democracy...reminds me of when Kerry was sitting on millions and wouldn't fight for fair elections. Crooks on both sides of the aisle. Paid off.....paid off. dems. and repubs.

Mikel Haas must have a boss. Board of Supervisors? County Manager? If his charge for a hand count is out of line they should be requesting an accounting from him. He needs to provide reasons for the extraordinary fees.

I'm not being purposely naive here and realize that there is likely a political network in San Diego County that supports Haas and very high fees. (I'm afraid I'm not informed in SD politics except in a general way.)

Nevertheless, I think it it a valid point that Haas is not the only official that should be held accountable by citizens of San Diego County in the matter of the fees.

Just a minute guys! DO NOT OVERLOOK the fact that you now have "damages" in the form of this fee for a recount that needs to be done based on somebody's negligence. Take your pick on who to sue but do not pass up this opportunity to do so! It can set a precedent.

So, how does the count work? I thought you can't count because there's no paper trails (?) on e-vote machines. How exactly does the manual count work?

Dan, basically nowadays, they grab your money, do a phoney printout that matches the machine count and slam the door on your ass
That about answer the question ?

So, has anyone set up a donation system to help fund Ms. Jacobson's recount? I'm prepared to contribute to this recount fund.

Big Dan - There is paper to count. Paper ballots on the Diebold Op Scan systems, and paper "trails" from the DRE (touch-screen) systems...though those "trails" have their own problems.

Shmoopatties - VelvetRevolution.us is collecting funds to help pay for all of these associated costs for the CA50 actions. You can contribute here (and it would be much appreciated!)

The cost for a recount in Riverside County is only $400 per 4-person recount board. Depending on the speed of the process, that could be as little as 15 or 20 cents per ballot, or less.

San Diego MUST give a full accounting of what they are charging and how they determined the charges. They did this same thing to us in the Mayoral recount in San Diego last year, and as I recall, it cost us nearly $1,000 per precinct! OUTRAGEOUS! They are putting RoV staff at nearly every table and charging for their time, which including benefits, can be well over $50 per hour, for each of them.

On the other hand, the direct cost of the recount board is usually whatever they pay a poll worker. Adding in additional staff to watch the recount board is a choice of the RoV and not something those who request the recount should have to pay for. They are also charging for the time to pull the documents, sort them, etc. And since the public can't see what staff is doing back there where the ballots are stored, we have no way of knowing that nothing "foul" is not going on.

Greg Palast said it best, "The Best Democracy Money Can Buy"!!

Let's just get on with the count; sue them for the cost afterwards (based on their misconduct); find some (any?) good judges who can grant TRO's against destroying evidence; demand that those paying be allowed to witness EVERY aspect of what they are paying for; and see what dirt floats to the surface that they didn't manage to get rid of in the month they have had.

Also, I would post a "REWARD" of $10,000 for "any evidence of official misconduct related to the election that leads to the conviction of an election official."

Create an "anonymous tip line" where people can spill the beans on the criminals. These scum always have friends they screw who might be willing to turn on them. Let's "turn over some rocks" and see what develops.

Finally, following up on czaragorn (#2) you should all start wearing SUBTLE bits of orange in your clothes at press conferences and meetings. Let's start to slowly float that color into the picture as being connected with ELECTION REFORM and those who seek HONEST ELECTIONS.

Orange (and white for purity and honesty --- after all, some of us with winter palettes simply can NOT wear a lot of orange) can be the colors we take to the streets on November 8, 2006 when the exit polls (once again) don't match the final vote counts and all the unexplained problems (once again) favor the Republicans who somehow have "miraculous come from behind wins" (once again) of 51% to 49% in too many races.

Maybe this November (in spite of it being sweeps week) the American people will care at least as much about the sanctity of their ballot/vote as they do in who becomes the next AMERICAN IDOL or who dies on LOST.

Charlie L
Portland, OR

leftisbest & Greg Palast said:

"The Best Democracy Money Can Buy"!!

Daily my email is full of flyers from Ted Kennedy and others begging for money - why must our government go to the highest bidder?

Real election reform now!

Someone should ask Jumpin joe lieberman'n for a contribution for this recount ... He's such a democrat...

We need to start locally.. locally is where we started letting it all fall apart..

I wonder what some of the local offices pay. If it's as much as I make now, I lose nothing (but gain a lot of headache! ) by running for some local office where change can be enacted.

Though, even THOSE jobs are going to "family" of the rich (ruling) elite of localities.. Old money is running this country. Ironic, it was "old money" we were fleaing when we came here in the first place. Now we're being enslaved in the new fiefdoms that are being carved out and handed to the loyal local barrons..

Ada #3 and Charlie L #12, right on!

It has got to be illegal for an election warlord to act like a bridge troll and charge exhorbitant amounts to cross the bridge from NO CONFIDENCE to GOOD! you counted by hand, and that is all we wanted (notice, no mention of who won or lost, it is a secondary consideration).

Those charges are calculated, like a poll tax, to thwart an attempt to ligitimize our democracy.

Screw Sue the bastards!

I can't think of better job for illegal/undocumented people to do is count ballots.

Just Remember Folks it's all about the. . . CROSS CHECKS ! ! !

Dredd #16 --- Haas as a "bridge troll". love that! LOL

Charlie L #12 --- don't blame "LOST" for low election turnout! it airs on wednesdays, so they're okay. American Idol, on the hand....

Savanster #15 --- YES, GET INVOLVED LOCALLY!!!

be a poll worker, be an election judge, a poll watcher --- and get paid to do it

help people register to vote (never forget those who died for "Freedom Summer" in 1964)

in the weeks before election day, talk it up! encourage people to exercise their right to vote

volunteer with your favorite non-profit to get people out to the polls to vote on Election Day

no matter where you fall on the political spectrum, be a good American citizen and contribute to your community!

There is so much that each individual American can do to participate in our beloved democracy. DON'T EVER let anyone get away with telling you that it doesn't matter if you vote --- that is psy-ops, the fave tactic of those who really DON'T WANT YOU TO VOTE because they know that the fewer people who vote, the less evidence there will be to prove any fraud. don't internalize the negative campaigning of the naysayers; don't accept their mantle of bitter distraction and diversion --- never surrender your right or obligation to vote!

overwhelming voter turnout is physically and visually undeniable, and by encouraging each other to participate, we can force attention to be paid to our crumbling election system.

Kudos to Brad, Gail and a huge group of patriots on the ground in San Diego supporting them. If everyone who reads this sends in $50 the cost of the vote count can be accumulated fast. So don't just sit there - send in you fair share to verify our democracy (doesn't) works. THANK YOU!!

I hate to display my ignorance, but what is the significance of orange?

YES, I'm going to keep on voting.

Not because I am confident that my vote will be counted, because I am not.

No. I have seen the Republicans steal four elections in a row with more and more skill each time since 1998. Hagel was the first test, then the theft of the U.S. Presidency in 2000, then the mid-term thefts (especially Georgia) and then the second theft of the Presidency in 2004.

No, I have little confidence, but I will vote.

I will vote so that my vote stands as a reminder to the corporations and fascists and criminals that they will have to kill me to take my Democratic Republic from me.

I will vote because people DIED to give me the chance to vote.

Yes, I will vote, because if I don't vote, then those who work to keep people from voting, and who work to keep votes from being counted fairly, and those who cheat and play tricks with Democracy like it was just a game, they will have won, and I will not let that happen without a bloody and ugly fight.

There will be times when I will have to mute my conscience to vote because the alternatives put before me are so vile, but I will vote anyway. At those times, my vote for an "alternative" or "fringe" candidate will be no more than a quiet reminder to those in power that I am unhappy with the choices they have presented to me, but I WILL VOTE!

I will do everything and anything I can to be as sure as possible that my vote is counted the way I voted, but even when I can't be sure, I will still vote.

I WILL vote, because when I stop voting, Democracy will die.

Charlie L
Portland, OR
CLL2001@gmail.com

Joan #20: PLEASE don't be afraid to show your ignorance. Nobody can possibly know everything. In fact, we are all ignorant about many things. And besides, There are no stupid questions, only stupid answers.

From Wikipedia: Orange Revolution

Have a look at this site too: The Orange Revolution dot com

Stolen election.

Like most of my country people I gave my vote for a democratic candidate. I am apolitical and normally I wouldn't go on election, but this guy won my respect when in year 2000, being prime minister he closed Chernobyl plant, later he was dismissed and went in opposition.

The other was pro-governmental candidate who had little support here, even with 800 million dollars invested in his election compaign he still had no chances to become our president.

I knew that according to results of an exit poll and first tour election our candidate should win so I went in bed with strong believe that my vote means something and makes a contribution in a future of our country.

In the morning we all learned that our election have been stolen. For a first time in life I went on election and my vote has been stolen. I took this as a personal insult, so I grabbed coat, camera and went on the street.

Joan your not ignorant, then you'd be a troll
They ignore what is written, then they rant for no apparent reason other than to obsfuscate the task at hand
(nice word eh?)

As both Haas and Secretary of State allowed the election to proceed with illegal machines, both Haas's Office and McPherson's Office need to pay for the manual recount.

In addition, both need to be sued for malfeasance and misfeasance of office.

WE SIMPLY HAVE TO PUT A STOP TO THESE ILLEGAL VOTING TACTICS. WE HAVE TO DRAW THE LINE NOW BEFORE NOVEMBER.

It's just hard for Irishmen to wear orange .... or Oregon Ducks!

But democracy is more important than either of those loyalties, and so I will wear orange when marching on Washington.

I'll volunteer to help with this recount for free to make sure it's done right, but I wonder if they're charging so much, are they figuring on paying us some bucks to help out, or JUST their own greedy wallets?

If they pay most of the money to those of us that count the votes, perhaps enough of us could volunteer, and we could put money back into some paypal fund that we build to pay the bill to start with! If they DON'T pay us to do this, then we should demand an accounting of who is getting paid.

eschew obfuscation.

And Ducks are hereby given permission to wear GREEN, though orange & white would almost be ANTI-beaver, since they wear orange & black.

Brad, if you need the money, you should find a big field in the Cal 50'th and hold a fundraising concert there. VOTESTOCK 2006: Open & Honest Elections Now!

Charlie L
Portland, OR

Any chance that the recount might happen near the weekend of Democracy Fest (July 14-16)? Perhaps we could recruit some folks attending to help volunteer to make sure that it's done right. Maybe find some way of giving them perks for helping out (like T-shirts to wear around the conference, etc.).

Why the hell isn't Busby paying this fee? Or the worthless DNC? Why isn't Howard Dean bitching about this? Where are these useless "opposition" politicians?

So where have these ballots been for the last month? Does anyone in their right mind expect them NOT to be messed with or tampered with? How many of them have gone off to the dump? I'm serious.

I think this is a grand waste of time and people's money. "Democracy" as we know it died in this country the night of the Judicial Coup in 2001 after the stolen election. And Busby doesn't seem to give a damn. She's been silent like a typical Dem. Obviously this fee is intended as an obstacle. Surprise, surprise. Pay the fee and another obstacle will pop up and another and another and another. If the thing ended up in the US Supreme Court, we can predict the outcome. It's all over for this country folks, in part because there is no opposition party in Washington. Time to realize that. Don't waste your money on Busby. The only way out of this disaster is through Revolution. It's going to require a Revolution. This disaster will not be corrected or resolved through voting. We have a government "Of, By and For The Corporations" and not a government of "We, the People." Those days are over. I'm an 87 year old woman. I've seen it all. I know what I'm talking about it.

And really, how can anyone trust the integrity of ballots from over a month ago these days! If they even still have any ballots now! Oh yes we will collect this outrageous fee and make it nonrefundable. Oh, but we don't know where the ballots are. Too bad. Guess there's nothing to count. Oh well. Some people are out of $130,000 for nothing.

It wouldn't be anything for the Dem Party to pay that fee. What a worthless and useless party.

Erma, #29, i am saddened to see the inevitable bitterness of many, who understandably feel this is a lost cause...

but we will NEVER GIVE UP

NEVER GIVE IN

the wall of opposition is built one brick at a time, and no one brick is going to save the whole of democracy.

even if this is just a skirmish that is eventually lost to the powers of obfuscation and misdirection, by speaking up, making noise and raising a big-ass stink, we will still FORCE THEM TO PUBLICLY DEFEND THEIR INCOMPETENCE AND STUPIDITY in front of the nation.

if enough people can donate the cost of, say, a couple of lattes, then it shouldn't be burden on any one person. and really, it's worth it to me just to throw some mud in their eyes. that fight is worth every penny.

by the way, thank you for continuing to participate even when you're pissed off. at 87, you have earned the right to scold everybody for their lack of fight up to now.

Erma (#29) before you assume that there can't be a lot learned from old ballots, you should check out freepress.org and see what they are discovering about the ballots in Warren County Ohio from 2004.

And as for ballots going missing, that would be the most blatent and visible proof of fraud, so they would have to be VERY careful.

I'm not saying it's going to work out (the enemy is VERY good and VERY determined) but that doesn't mean it's not worth the fight.

Read my post above at #21. If they steal that one, I might be on your side and believe in Revolution. Let's see, once and for all, if we can take back our government the way the Nicoraguans did, rather than the way the Russians did. (That is, with as little blood spilled as possible!)

One last time --- let's try Democracy in 2006.

Charlie L
Portland, OR
CLL2001@gmail.com

Oh my god!!, right on Erma !!! glad to see an older participant in our fight for Democracy
Welcome

I think a few of you have missed my point. I'll try it again. The Democratic Party itself should officially be fighting this Busby thing.

If you ask 9 out of 10 people throughout the US they will tell you there is nothing wrong with our voting system. The only way you're going to get the e-voting fraud message out and the problem solved is by the methods which were used to get us out of Vietnam in the 1960s. If the Dem Party were really interested in election fraud (and I don't think they are in the least) they would walk over to the White House in one mass block as a party, park at the front gate and refuse to leave until we as a nation are using paper ballots and pencils and having the ballots counted with members of the public present in full view. Unfortunately, that suggestion takes backbone and the useless Dems don't have one.

You will need your bricks for the Revolution to throw at the Bush Crime Family.

In order to change anything in 2006 and 2008 we need a credible voting system. We don't have one. Just like in all elections since 2000. They have all been stolen and manipulated. I'm not voting for Dems or Republicans in 2006 or 2008. I'm not voting again until we have a credible voting system. Some people say that the Dems are the "lesser of two evils." I don't buy that. Voting for the "lesser of two evils" has gotten us where we are today. Do you really want to continue to wallow in this mess by supporting "lesser of two evils" politics and politicians?

oooh, now thats scary, not voting ? I always have, always will
They want you not to vote Erma, thats their new tactic
Make them steal it, Greg and I say

HOLD YOUR NOSE AND VOTE

Erma

I sure agree with you about who should be footing the bill, insuring we can have confidence in election results, but I think, right now, while we are at the mercy of criminals in high places, that we should indeed vote for "the lesser of two evils" --- JUST IN CASE WE MANAGE TO PREVAIL IN GETTING THE VOTES COUNTED PROPERLY. Your failure to vote for people who MIGHT help us out of this apocalyptic mess, might mean the criminals finally actually managed to get the most votes.

Don't boycott the vote. At least we will have made them have to steal MORE, but also, at best, we might be able to pull a win out of it. Once the country is back in just ordinarily inept politicians' hands, then we have a chance of forcing really good things to happen. As it stands, we don't have that chance, and if you don't vote, we might not ever get it.

We really should be demanding face time with Howard Dean, though. This really IS getting out of hand. That's one good investment for the party, even if the count still goes to Bilbray, because Democrats will have a little more faith in their own party again.

You people still don't get it and are engaging in wishful thinking. There is no voting system that is credible or legitimate in this country any more. There hasn't been since 2000. We cannot get progressive candidates or even worthless Dems who act like Republicans in office by using a system which is corrupt. Do you get it yet?

The system is broken. The system does not work. You can vote for the man or woman in the moon, but you are going to get the Bush Crime Family and neocons. Period. Come on, people. This is not that difficult to grasp. Broken does not work. Broken = not going to get your people in power through the US voting system. You are looking for an easy arm-chair fix which is not out there. It does not exist. It's time for the streets in masses. It's called a "peaceful" (wishful thinking) Revolution.

Read bradblog. He talks about the broken system. He talks about the fraudulent elections and how the machines can be hacked and manipulated. Don't you even read or believe what is on the very blog that you post your comments on?

The neocons want you to believe that the system is still credible and working just fine. You know, I bet there will be STILL be someone who will tell me that I need to vote in 2006. Will I ain't voting so don't waste your time telling me that. I'm not taking part in this corrupted government any longer until we have a WORKING and legitimate voting system.

The only real vote we have today and in the future is with our MOUTHS and with our POSTS and with our bank account (support small local retailers). Buy organic food and become a vegetarian. Don't support corporate scum.

By voting on e-voting machines and taking part in this charade called an "election" you are going along with the corruption. You are endorsing this fraudulent system of voting by taking part in it, even if you "vote" by absentee, as if that makes any difference. Those ballots are still counted by the same corrupt machines.

What happened in 2000? What happened in 2002? What happened in 2004? What happened in San Diego in 2006? And the useless Dems are not saying much about any of this. They're just going along with it and some of you will still be gullible and vote for them and think that your little vote is being counted.

Do you get it yet? BROKEN. Not going to work. BROKEN. Not going to work. BROKEN. Not going to work.

Some people are so dense that they don't "get it." It's as clear as a bell. It's all over people.

Time for a "peaceful" Revolution. That's the ONLY thing that will save us.

Erma,

While I agree with most everything you say, I still believe Charlie L has the right idea in his post #21.

Not voting, whether you think it doesn't count or not, is only playing into their scheme.

We must vote - all of us. The way it is now so few people vote that we are stuck with leaders that only got voted in by 15% of the population. (That's even in the non-stolen elections)

If we help fund this recount, can we be present to make sure it is done correctly??

I'm going to have to give that a troll alert

Yes, the election system is broken. To pretend, for the sake of a simplicity of concept, that we know exactly how broken is dishonest. It is so easy to say we're through, done for because it is such a simple concept to grasp (you can hold it like a teddy bear) --- it's kind of a mirror image of so much Republican "thinking".

I completely agree with points of Agent99 and Charlie L: What could be better for the criminals than raising the percentage of non-voters, particularly progressive non-voters? Talk about a gift. It would make the criminals legit. Brilliant tactic. If you're in a battle there has to be some infighting - right in the mechanics of voting.

I've never seen why voting and a peaceful revolution are mutually exclusive. In fact, the election issue has shone a brilliant light on corporate intrusion into the civic process. All Americans should exercise their right to vote in the face of criminality. The issue of election fraud won't be going away.

Erma may be sincere, maybe not. I suspect (and have observed) the "don't vote" tactic being used to test the waters as I spoke of a bit on another thread.

I was most sincere in my comments and I don't appreciate in the least being questioned on my sincerity or my motives or as someone referred to it as the "don't vote" tactic. I don't see it as a "tactic" at all. I just want no part of it.

If the rest of you want to vote and believe that you are really doing so when you cast a ballot, and if you want to continue to participate in the charade and believe or wish that you are making some difference, then obviously that's your choice. I was speaking for myself when I stated I'm not voting. I was not saying or suggesting that others should not vote. Everyone has to make this choice for him or herself.

For the first time in my 87 years of living, I did not vote in the recent primary. And I feel very good about my decision.

I don't see any reason for any further discussion on this on my part.

I am happy to say my 90 year old mother is well aware of election integrity issues. She will vote and she will fight to have her vote counted. She's mad as hell (as are many in her circle of friends.)

BTW, we have elected some fine progressive local officials who would never have been in office had many of us taken Erma's advice.

Another BTW - mainly for Agent99 who was replying to some of my postings in another thread about the mole we discovered. He very well may be a Republican. Further checking with some of my political colleagues turned up that he has been active in the local Republican organization as well as that of the Democrats. He's been all over the place. Now, this guy was a plant - we are positive of it. I won't go into details, but he was a plant. His tactic was to advocate boycotting the elections in favor of nonviolent "revolutionary" action. Overplaying his role is what did him in.

You will see, unless it proves to be a nonstarter or I am mistaken, some more of this nonsense.

ARRY

What a bunch of crap these repugs throw out. Anything to get it all. The greed and arrogance are simply astounding. Some folks here have expressed that we need to know our enemy. That is so hard to fathom when they do things you or I would never think of doing because they are so underhanded, dishonest and vile!

Hooray for your mom!

Erma,

As others have said, you may or may not be sincere in your anger. I won't venture to doubt you there. But you have to look at it this way. What have you got to lose by voting. You have more to lose by not voting than you do if you do vote. Not voting is what the Republicans want from you. Many have ventured to say that all of this unreliable reputation of voting machines is intentional, so that we feel like it isn't worth our time fighting the system and don't vote at all. As Greg Palast would say, go out and get everyone to vote in droves. "Make them steal it!"

They are human beings too, much as they might seem to be spawn of the devil. If we work hard enough and don't give up, there will be chances where we can catch them in their mistakes and make them pay for them! Unfortunately, given the Democrat's lack of tenacity in holding their feet to the fire, it is up to us. And the more I have to do that job from the grass roots, the more I'm going to demand payment from the Dems later if and when I can help them get into office, or I'll do the same thing to them too.

Hey, Arry! I'm so glad to hear you got to the bottom of the mole problem, and that your mom is so cool. My gramma was an ARDENT Green, and would have decked anyone trying to keep her from the voting booth with her walker!

Erma, I hope you're only just temporarily demoralized, and will vote just in case we manage to pull off a miracle. It couldn't hurt, and it might really help. You do what you think is right. I'd rather not go out with a whimper. I want them hearing my rebel yell! (Just like my gramma.)

Yes, BB2, they think honesty and integrity are quaint and weak. They will be proven wrong. Actually, lying and sneaking thievery are weak. They've got it bass ackward, as usual.

Maybe integrity is like a fine boxer who's been taking some hits from the opponent (not catching on to the cheating and intentional low blows), but will now reach inward for that basic inner strength and deck the ugly little bugger. (Hey, it's late and I'm a compulsive simile and metaphor maker.)

Bedtime.

Arry

I think your metaphor making is great. We don't have to lie and cheat and steal. Let's clock the bastards!

I'm gonna go ahead and say erma is not 87 years old.

Is there any plan to set up an account that is dedicated to the CA 50 recount and only to the CA-50 recount? The Velvet Revolution site doesn't commit itself to using the funds for the recount and only the recount. More people would probably be willing to donate to such a dedicated fund.

Keep up the great work.

Good for you Arry, on finding mole(ester of demockracy)

I guess it pays to be cynical (trust no one)

Looks like Mexico is about to have an Orange revolution too. Is this finally going to prod the Americans out of the comfort zone? Seems strange that both countries are having these phony "too close to call" elections.

I thought that since the Russians Sputnick scare got us to the moon in less then nine years, we would surely rise up and fix our "laughing stock of the world" elections in one or two, but I guess not.

I guess Lou Dobbs show got some flak for perking up the progressives too much huh?

Did anyone see that bitch, (yes bitch), sitting in for Chris Mathews ask Cindy Sheehan if her hunger strike was "some sort of publicity stunt". Really disheartening to see anybody who lives in the same country as me go spread-eagle for a corporation news program like that! Got to hand it to Cindy for not getting violent right there!

Erma:
sorry old girl, but we're just plain too angry to ever give up! Not only that but (OUR ANGER IS VERY REAL. NOT THIS FAKE HANNITY SHIT!) We're just going to pretend like the Goddamn machines work and get as many people to vote as we can. The more people that get involved, the more angry people we'll have when they steal the next one!

They are not going to murder people who try to hold theocratic voting machine corporations accountable for their crimes! These phony Christians, or whatever the hell they are, will not keep us from trying to pursue any kind of damn happiness we want!

Not any more!

Probably the most absolutely hilarious talking point fostered by Diebold, or perhaps fostered by the GOP directly, is this:

Yes, the electronic election machines are insecure, however, it takes a bad person to misuse the machines and commit fraud, and that is a felony. We do not believe that such people exist.

Yes, that hilarious statement was made by a Diebold warlord.

The fact of the matter is that election felonies are being directed from the White House itself:

The fourth man indicted in a New Hampshire phone-jamming scheme --- in which Republican operatives jammed the phone lines of Democratic get-out-the-vote efforts in a 2002 Senate race --- will argue at trial that the Bush Administration and the national Republican Party gave their approval to the plan, according to a motion filed by his attorney Thursday.

(link here, bold added).

The election fraud reality is so blatant in America today that it is hard for honest people to believe. That is what the crooks are counting on ... the disbelief of the people.

But the people show in the polls that they think this republican dictatorship is a ship of liars. And they want that ship to sink during the November storm.

Hand counts are the only safe harbor for America ... and if the republican dictatorship gets its way, even that harbor is going to be sold to Dubai/UAE.

BVAC #48, LMAO Reminds me of the movie Office Space
Mr. Lumberg ("I'm going to have to go ahead and take that stapler")

DANGER, WILL ROBINSON! Watch the recount closely...

http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1231-02.htm

Larry: We have to start saying, "We liberals love our country, we hate YOU Sean Hannity." He gets shill call-ins where they were both saying, "Why do liberals hate our country?" He and another shill call-in were trashing Cindy Sheehan, too. These people are for death and destruction, Larry, and they talk about, all day, how "liberals hate our country." They really mean, "liberals hate US".

We love our country, and hate Sean Hannity, Larry, and we all have to start saying this, and correcting these shills putting words in our mouths via rightwing radio.

You can find Sean Handjobbity's books at your local Walden's & Barnes & Nobles...they break them out of the boxes, and put them right in the 80% off bin, flag-background and all.

Your choice: You can call him "Sean Handjobbity"...OR...Sean "80% off" Hannity.

I am glad that Bilbray is still fighting to get elected, by having the votes recounted.

You can't see the flag on all of Hannity's books under the "80% off" sticker, so he started shipping with his book, an "80% off" sticker with the flag right on the sticker.

Big Dan

Stop listening! It just makes you mad, and then you make him more famous over here. Don't let them make you crazy. That's what they want. That's why the trolls come in and spew lies; that's why their media broadcasts it too. Only ways he can stop making you mad is if you stop listening, stop thinking or stop breathing.

Charlie L said...
There will be times when I will have to mute my conscience to vote because the alternatives put before me are so vile, but I will vote anyway. At those times, my vote for an "alternative" or "fringe" candidate will be no more than a quiet reminder to those in power that I am unhappy with the choices they have presented to me, but I WILL VOTE!

I say, "Say hello to the new boss, SAME as the OLD boss"!

leftisbest

Aw, Charlie's just fuming about Busby not living up to the money he donated to her race. He'll do the right thing on election day. He cares too much to hand it over to the fascists without a fight.

I guess if the "State" says it must be paid for a recount....well..trouble is the "State" broke the law..by allowing the vote machines to be "compromised" were is their accountability....Is the AG of California a Republican...? Just asking!

Nope, the Attorney General of California is a Dem.

big dan #58

These guys use the flag on their "dittoheads" just like Pavlov used bells on his dogs. It is pure-and-simple desecration!

I have the distinction of being personally threatened on Hannity’s radio show. I just happened to be listening one day about a year after my better judgment flew out the window at a book promotion of his in Salt Lake City. He was talking to a guy whose job is to intimidate people that approach Hannity to have a book signed. He was going to come to back to promote his second book and was asking his bodyguard why he didn’t beat me up. Then he said that this time they were going to have security!

I used to listen to Hannity at work and was commonly outraged at his lying about liberals. I heard that he was coming to promote his first book “Let Freedom Ring, The War of Liberty Over Liberalism”. I worked right next door to a book store and decided to buy a copy and attend that evening. My original plan was to watch the show and then, after having my book signed, toss it in the garbage or on the floor while he watched.

When I walked into the show, it was pretty clear that this was not just a book tour, but a full fledged “WAR RALLY!” The first thing I heard was his fiery rant against Jimmy Carter and his plan to start dismantling our nuclear capabilities. At that point, all of my intentions to remain silent were futile and I yelled out, “HE IS A MAN OF PEACE!” The crowd of 1500 went fairly silent and Hannity looked back over his shoulder at me. A man with some kind of transmitter on his belt came over and asked if I would like to debate him. I said “right here?, sure, that will be OK”. He walked back over to where he was and didn’t take any action on it.

I started to BOO loudly and yelled out things like “GAS THE HIPPIES!”, The crowd got louder and did pretty well at drowning me out. To my amazement, not one person asked me to leave, although a very large woman came over and told me to “SHUT THE F#&K UP!”

Not too long after that, Hannity went over and stood at a podium to start signing books. I stood in line for about 20 minutes and calmly handed him my copy to sign. He signed it and gave it back. I then indignantly placed the book on his podium and said “My father fought for freedom in world war II, and you can stick this book up your ass!” He did exactly what I expected him to, and held it up, asking if anyone wanted a free copy.

I hate to credit Hannity with anything, but I have to admit he quoted me fairly accurately on his show the next day, although he lied and said the program director of the local radio station carrying his show had witnessed me “slamming the book down” and “didn’t know whether I had stolen it or not”. These days he is saying I “threw the book at him!”

When I tell this story, people think I’m trying to portray myself as someone to be feared. I AM NOT, and have never touched a hair on anyones head in my life, but my anger at these lying bastards has taken hold. I am a liberal, and Hannity declared war on me in the title of his stupid little book. What can I say!

My boss had me work late the night of the second book promotion, but I hadn't planned on going anyway.

Speaking of the AG, where is Bill Lockyer? He has a lot of work cut out for him. Where is he?