More than a full year after I wrote the original draft for them, Hustler is now running my story on the mysterious “suicide” of Raymond Lemme, of the Florida Inspector General’s office. This is the first time that uncovered police photos — the ones which were not supposed to have existed — have appeared in print, not counting the Internet, to our knowledge.
Here’s a pornography-free PDF of the article — (WARNING: Includes graphic photos. Plus a sidebar on Clint Curtis’ run for congress!) — as it’s currently running in the September issue now available at a newstand near you. Unless you live in Utah.
(NOTE: Previously broken PDF link now fixed.)
For BRAD BLOG readers who may not have been around here long enough to know, read on for an explanation of who Lemme and Curtis are.
And meanwhile…in other ‘Clint Curtis for Congress’ related news…
He’s now been endorsed by Democracy for America (DFA) Miami-Dade chapter, and is now hoping to receive an endorsement from the national DFA. You can help!
1) Sign up here for a DFA login.
2) Vote for who you think DFA should endorse nationally! Clint Curtis is on the list.
3) Then, go to the DFA campaign page for Clint Curtis for Congress post your endorsement there too!
Lots of work, huh? Who said saving this country was gonna be easy?
Lastly, go tell Russ Feingold’s Progressive Patriots Fund that they should support Curtis as well! That one’s a bit easier to do. But they all matter.
Okay, for newbies here, wondering who the these Ray Lemme and Clint Curtis guys are in the first place…
Lemme was the investigator from the Inspector General’s office at the Florida Department of Transportation who turned up dead in a Valdosta, GA motel room just weeks after allegedly telling Clint Curtis that his investigation into Curtis’ claims went “all the way to the top.”
The photos taken at the scene by the cops didn’t exist, according to the police report, until they turned up on the Internets after some jerk reported the whole story (we are that jerk) — causing the Valdosta Police to re-open the case, before swiftly shutting it back down again for equally mysterious reasons. You can catch up on that story here, as we broke those new details in the Lemme case in early 2005.
Clint Curtis (for those who don’t know) is the software programmer who has claimed in a sworn affidavit and video-taped testimony before members of the U.S. House Judiciary Committee that Rep. Tom Feeney asked him to create vote-rigging software when they both worked at a Florida software firm. At the time, Feeney was the Speaker of the Florida House and the firm’s lobbyist; he is also known for being Jeb Bush’s former running mate. Now he’s a member of the U.S. House and sits on the Judiciary Committee himself. (When he’s not taking golf junkets to Scotland with Jack Abramoff).
Curtis has since passed a polygraph test in regard to these charges (unlike Feeney) and is now running for Congress in Feeney’s district with the hope of unseating him this fall. He can use your financial help to take on one of the GOP’s top-tier corruption/money boys.
The Clint Curtis/Tom Feeney/Yang Enterprises Vote-Rigging Scandal series, please see:
– A Quick Summary of the story so far.
– An Index of all the Key Articles & Evidence in the series so far.
Clint Curtis is now running for U.S. Congress against Feeney.
To support him or for more info, see: www.ClintCurtis.com
Now…maybe my wife will believe me, that I buy Hustler for the informative articles, only! Great job, Brad, as usual.
The “pornography-free PDF of the article” link didn’t work for me…neither did the “Death of Democracy” link. 🙁
Brad:
The Hustler PDF file link gives you the following message when you click it:
“The page you requested is no longer here [error 404]”
Congratulations on getting this story in print (finally!).
Jeff J.
About time Larry, Geez
Now all we need is you to show up with a Flag or Constitution diaper to get the attention
Broken PDF link now fixed! Sorry about that!
Oh how I would love to see justice for Ray Lemme, and oh how nice it would be to have a congressman who had helped that happen.
(You guys get your Hustler issues TWO MONTHS in advance now? Eager, or something?)
(You guys get your Hustler issues TWO MONTHS in advance now? Eager, or something?)…no, married 🙂
This sounds scary. Hope it is credible enough to make it beyond Hustler. Not knowing of Hustler’s credibility, but I think MSM might be a little more influential.
Am living in Mexico, and watching this voting fiasco unfold. What is the world coming to?
Any chance the article can appear elsewhere Brad? I am proud to spread this info far and wide but don’t like to be associated however tenously, with porn. We had a 14 year old neighbor girl kidnapped into the sex industry…bad taste.
Much as I agree with the distaste expressed here re porn, let’s not forget how Larry Flynt stood up to the blatant republican hypocrisy in ’98 when they were raking clinton over the coals!!
I’d LOVE to see Brad’s story elsewhere in the media, but given their recent deaf, dumb & blind act in regard to so many major stories in recent years, how realistic is it to expect that?!
The hardest part will be buying the magazine while trying to convince people we’re only interested in the Lemme article.
Better Hustler than nobody. If Police Gazette and True Detective were still in business, they’d have printed it two years ago. The impossible timeline of Ray Lemme’s last 48 hours alive should convince most people he was murdered. But the real smoking gun is that the Valdosta P.D. first reopened the investigation, then shut it down immediately at the request of someone at the Florida D.O.T., the gang Lemme was investigating when he died. But farmers never shut down a henhouse at the request of a fox.
No explanation from the cops for this. Nada. Prediction: If push comes to shove, and the Florida D.O.T. is forced to comment, they’ll plead “national security” on account of the Yang/NASA connection.
davek
Understandably, Hustler has long been known for its love of the Bill of Rights, so I think it’s pretty wonderful that they decided to run something that the whole American media, and all our law enforcement, should have been on from the git. I’m thinking that plenty of the men who “read” that magazine will be incited to see to it that it comes out in a more “respectable” venue.
Truly, though, which is more respectable: a girly magazine that tells the truth, looking out for our constitution; or a MSM magazine, newspaper, or tv sation that won’t mention it?
Maybe you could cut out the pertinent pages, cover the “incriminating” or “inflammatory” content, and show it around your neighborhood that way. OR, just print Brad’s coverage of it.
I didn’t think the $100 fine was an attention grabber either, Brad 😉
Good job, Larry is another good freedom (of speech) fighter
what a shame that America has a multi-tier legal system, with the elite only meting out justice when a cover-up is impossible. while the under class can get 5 years of hard time for selling a joint !
the killing of one investigator is nothing if you compare it to other events on “bush’s watch”, explain the story in the following link
http://www.911truth.org/article...50724164122860
sorry
Mineta: “During the time that the airplane was coming into the Pentagon, there was a young man who would come in and say to the Vice President…the plane is 50 miles out…the plane is 30 miles out….and when it got down to the plane is 10 miles out, the young man also said to the vice president “do the orders still stand?” And the Vice President turned and whipped his neck around and said “Of course the orders still stand, have you heard anything to the contrary!??”
For MMIIXX: It isn’t just the killing of the investigator here, it’s the stuff he was investigating that necessitated the killing. The other stuff on Bush’s watch that you refer to is why he was murdered.
Posthumous justice for Ray Lemme, yes, if/when the truth comes out. But justice for us, too.
Robert Lockwood Mills what you say is true ,for those who have not watched the video of Mineta testimony check it out
http://www.prisonplanet.com/art...nycensored.htm
Wow, anyone remember the hundreds of posts on some of the Lemme threads?
Nothing quite like them since, in terms of number of posts …
Seems like ages ago …
the internet has surprised the “a-holes of evil” and they have been slow to counter its effect but they are moving to counter its power as the following link shows …
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,,1810786,00.html
could we maybe get a little better context here – maybe a few pages before and after
Thanks Brad, Thanks Larry … good old Larry … he’s not only a been a life-long friend of the Constitution but he also likes good journalism. Here’s another fine example: Beat The Press: Hustler‘s Bruce David interviews Greg Palast
Here we go, Mexican Ballots found in dump in Obrador stronghold, and he loses the election, imagine that!!
Link
Link
If the Hustler article has any effect on the 15 House and 6 Senate elections, and the dems take control, and the president and vice president are IMPEACHED, this is the old presidential succession list:
And this is the new presidential succession list:
There folks, I gave you an impeachment path that makes some sense.
Now we know why Murtha wants to run for Speaker of The House … upon impeachment of the president and vice president, he would become president.
There it is folks, a way out before ’08.
Clint Curtis for Congress!!!
Floridiot #24
Damn, dude! I was just getting myself packed up to move to Mexico, where they actually count ballots. I hope the dumped votes end up holding the day!
Michael #8 said:
I wrote the story. So I can tell ya, it’s credible 🙂
While I’d be delighted for the story to run elsewhere, it’s Hustler who has stepped up and invited me to submit it to them. So I have. They will also be running additional related stories that I’ve written for them in the coming months (a piece on Diebold Whistleblower Stephen Heller is scheduled to run next month).
I’m happy to write for anybody and everybody who cares to publish it. But I have no control over who that is, essentially.
Brock, see the links in the story here for additional context on the Ray Lemme ‘suicide’. Or just search BRAD BLOG for “Raymond Lemme” and you’ll get more context than you can shake a stick at!
BTW, Ted (“I’m as dotty as old Aunt Mildred”) Stevens would NOT be President Pro Tempore of the Senate if the Dems won back that House, and if they did NOT win it back (with some extra cushion for the DINO’s like Nelson) then the chances of a conviction in the Senate are slim at best.
Before all that could happen, GWB would implement the “Quayle Defense” in which Cheney would resign and a squeaky clean but absolutely insane and/or stupid and/or dangerous VP would be confirmed. Say, VP Pat Robertson, or VP Condi.
Charlie L
Portland, OR
what are they hiding this time ?
this crap never ends (:
July 4, 2006 — Even Bush’s crap is classified top secret. According to our Austrian sources, Austrian newspapers are currently abuzz with special security details of George W. Bush’s recent trip to Vienna. Although the heavy-handed Gestapo-like security measures meted out to Viennese home owners, business proprietors, and pedestrians by US Secret Service agents and local police before and during Bush’s visit received widespread Austrian media attention, it was White House “toilet security” (“TOILSEC”), which has Austrians talking the most. The White House flew in a special portable toilet to Vienna for Bush’s personal use during his visit. The Bush White House is so concerned about Bush’s security, the veil of secrecy extends over the president’s bodily excretions. The special port-a-john captured Bush’s feces and urine and flew the waste material back to the United States in the event some enterprising foreign intelligence agency conducted a sewage pipe operation designed to trap and examine Bush’s waste material. One can only wonder why the White House is taking such extraordinary security measures for the presidential poop.
http://waynemadsenreport.com/
Way to go Brad. Congratulations! You deserve it. You’re a great writer! This is the only Blog that I read everything that’s posted on it. I’m not offended by the magazine it’s in, I’m proud of you that you’ve been published. This is one sordid tale and I’m glad it’s getting coverage. Don’t a lot of rednecks and nascar fans read these magazines? Will there be another orange revolution, in Mexico this time? I certainly hope so. We need Obrador to win or we’re in for the intra-continental highway that Bush wants to put thru, to bypass our long shoremen and our security checks. Nice guy we got running this country, but then again you all know that.
Laura
Bunch of “nice” guys running this country. 🙁
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… MMIIXX said on 7/6/2006 @ 3:20 pm PT…
I saw that yesterday, the photos are something else
Turd in the punchbowl and the scowl on the face makes it look like he’s laying one down
The part that got me was the famous warlords of all times that did this too…
Agent 99, yes ain’t that a kick in the shorts, or what
Agent99: As I stated in comment #1, I only purchase Hustler for the informative articles, such as Brad’s.
Dredd: The reason I first came here, was because of the Lemme/Clint Curtis articles.
Agent99: I am a conservative, and I drape curtains over the pictures of the women’s breasts in Hustler, if I “by chance” come across any, ala Ashcroft.
Oh, sure you do, Big Dan! 😛
Feels like a kick in the head to me, Floridiot. 🙁
Floridiot
maybe they take “them” home to polish ,they seem pretty good at that !
somebody should contact Ray’s brother re. re-openning the investigation ,I remember he disagreed with the suicide claim .
This takes me back to the presidential and vp debates between Jimmy Carter and Gerald Ford. Carter had just had an interview in Playboy in which he said he “lusted after women in his heart.” VP candidate Bob Dole replied, “Well, he’ll get the PLAYBOY vote!”
The sidebar on Clint Curtis prompts me to update that remark: “Well, he’ll get the HUSTLER vote!” Well, good luck anyway, Clint. Maybe it will bring in some contributions.
Brad, do I recall reading an implication that you WROTE that article for HUSTLER? I didn’t see an attribution.
Palast has an update from Mexico now,
Link
I think they’re hiding Bush’s turd because if someone analyzed it, they would find heavy booze or drugs, or even find out its not human
or some Ash …
Cryteria, if you look at the Pdf you’ll see in the upper right hand corner : By Bred Friedman. It looks real good. I hope to see many more articles by that investigative journalist! Yeah 99 Bunch is right,like a “bunch of lunatics”. Big Dan I don’t believe you and I bet your wife doesn’t either.
Thank you Laura. I missed that.
President Murtha? I’m OK with that.
Brad, I’ve tried to raise hell with this in my own small way since the beginnining of this stink. When you first posted a link to the photos way back when, the very first thing I saw was a bruise in the carotid area on the right side of the neck. A bruise very similar to one that would be caused to a forearm strike to the carotid (similar to the Captain Kirk bull except this really works if you’re a pro). Hopefully it will get the attention it deserves. If you need someone to do legwork, let me know.
I was recently lamenting on the lack of follow-through on the Ray Lemme case by Valdosta’s Best! We worked very hard on it here at Brad’s and dammit if we didn’t shred the freaking “suicide” story to pieces! No one in their right mind could think it was a suicide — just by studying the photos! Somewhere like 800 “comments” cracking away at it — we even had to move threads a couple of times. All we didn’t come up with was the name(s) of the killers and those who hired them. We needed help then. We didn’t get it. But we spintered the suicide theory at least. And with fact.
Laura – Thanks for pointing out the citation to Cyteria.
They actually had a very nice “About our Contributors” layout in the front of the book with photo of me (fully clothed you’ll be happy to know!) 😉
I’ll see if I can scan a copy and post it if I can remember. They said some nice things in the copy.
Can’t recall if I mentioned it already, but next month they’ll have another piece I wrote for them on Diebold Whistleblower Stephen Heller (http://www.HellerLegalDefenseFund.com)
Sorry Cyteria for misspelling your name. No problem Brad, that was the first thing I noticed when I pulled up the Pdf. Again Congratulations on all the GOOD press, you deserve it.
By the way I posted last month about the changes I made in my reading material in my waiting room, How do you think Hustler would do? I think the guys would like it but I’m not so sure about the Ladies!
Laura
You could print up big stickers for the covers and say that you have it there because it seems to be one of the few publications that takes our Constitution and the resolution of our real problems seriously.
WARNING! NAKED WOMEN AND PATRIOTISM INSIDE!
Agent 99, Yes you are so right, It might even give rise to new business! Talking about stickers, I printed some address labels up with “Impeach” on them and I have been putting them all over public places. Gas pumps when I fill up the car, Handicapped parking signs, Even the drawer at the bank that you slip your business in, shopping carts at the supermarket and the corrals for the carts. Some have stayed up a long time. When I go back to check it out and they’re still up I have to laugh out loud, Somebody must agree with me.
Ha! Laura! Freeway Blogger would love your ass to pieces. Way to go. I know Joan, here, would go for crates and crates of ITMFA stickers. So would we all. Maybe I’ll just go around with a roll of masking tape around my wrist and a Sharpie behind my ear, and keep tearing off little strips and writing in my sentiment of the moment to attach to vending machines, parking meters, ladies room walls… wherever.
I’m to bed friends! Be good, and dream well.
Wonder what happened to the editor of the magazine, I forget the name Insider something, who was detained for 12 hours and received brutal treatment from Fla. police…he uncovered the Lemme murder initially. The editor was asking for public records and was investigating Jeb Bush. Then I read on Raw Story that Jeb had a law passed so that he didn’t have to release public records. Wayne Madsen is saying today that Fitzgerald’s investigation is probably called off. If this is true and RFK Jr’s lawsuit is coming out this week…fats gonna; hit the fan. The democracy thing…or fascism.
Charlie L #28
Yes, good eye, if the dems take the Senate, then the presidential succession list as effected by the Senate change could be:
Which corrects the Ted Stevens entry. The R. Byrd entry is a guestimation, since he is he longest sitting incumbent.
See, I am open minded. Now are you impeachment folks happy 😉 ?
All I can say about the “The democracy thing”¦or fascism.”
It was the 2000 (s)election that we have to thank ?
It woke millions up to the Fascism thing (myself included)
And thank God or Gore for the “Internets”tm., otherwise resistance would be futile
And thank Brad for the Brad Blog too, he is a great porno mag artical writer (just kidding, Larrys magazine was one of the only places you could find out what was really going on, in all its gorey details, before the internet)
I forget now, I think it was ass of the month, or something like that, used to be my favorite, Reagan was on it alot back then…oh, maybe it was beaver of the month, oh well
Truth Seeker #44
You said “President Murtha? I’m OK with that.”
Notice that I corrected it per Charlie L’s astute observation about Ted Stevens.
The impeachment movement has been hampered by fears that impeaching Bush would render Cheney as president. That would be worse that Bush … it at least would be a major risk.
But if the Senate and House are controlled by the Democratic Party after the November election, then the risk evaporates if both Bush and Cheney are impeached.
Then the Speaker of the House and Pres. pro tempore of the Senate are then next two in line. They would both be democrats if the dems take the House (15 additional seats) and the Senate (6 additional seats) in November.
Note that Pelosi may be a contender alongwith Murtha, and the R. Byrd entry may also have a contender.
Bottom line, if impeachment were to happen to the president and vice president, essentially, the democrats would be selecting the next president when they select the next Speaker of the House.
This is a major election coming up, and that is why Brad is wise to focus all energy on that issue NOW.
One word of caution regarding presidential succession in the event the Democrats get control of Congress:
If Cheney were to resign first, before he and Bush were impeached, Bush could nominate a new vice president (as Nixon replaced Agnew with Ford). In order for Murtha to be first in line to succeed Bush, that nomination would have to fail, unless I’m misreading things.
Do you think this TRUE story might FINALLY disgust the Republicans? Or are they, as usual, going to be more disgusted by the pornography and dirty words?
No Really, seriously?
I’m serious!
Larry, they will feign disgust… do not forget Neil Horsely, he and his type are regular Hustler readers(?), you can take that to the bank
I really do think that most of the “perve” in this country are Republicans
…most of the neo-con types are sociopaths, I didn’t add to my above
Laura – You would have loved Tampa a year and a half a go. Our family was vacationing in the area and there were thousands of anti-Bush/Cheney and Impeach Bush stickers everywhere we looked. They were on city street signs, buildings, everywhere! It was heartening, considering there were also so many pro-Bush/Cheney bumperstickers on a lot of the Florida-registered “gummer” cars.
And this Lemme case – it sure makes me think that this must have been Jeb’s entree into the “club” his brothers George and Neil and father George, Sr. are members of…the “have someone killed and you will win endorsements from the world’s biggest crooks club.”
If the White House is ever moved to comment on Brad’s article in Hustler, here’s my prediction of how the press conference will sound:
Tony Snow: “No, Helen. The president hasn’t read the article. Mrs. Bush doesn’t allow him to bring that magazine into the house (laughter all around).”
Helen Thomas: “Is he aware of the allegations?”
Tony Snow (turning serious): “As I understand it, Helen, the local police investigated and determined that Mr. Lemme committed suicide. The president has confidence in law enforcement. Yes, Jeff?”
Jeff Gannon: “How does the White House cope with all the conspiracy theorists around these days, causing trouble and interfering with the government?”
Tony Snow: “An excellent question, Jeff. It’s hard.”
Helen Thomas: “Tony, do you know who at the Florida D.O.T. requested the Valdosta Police to shut down the investigation just after it had been reopened?”
Tony Snow: “Fill me in. What’s a D.O.T.?”
Florida 2000, old memories…a Government report I was glancing thru and I was astonished what the findings were vs what the MSM spewed out (not)
Quote from the findings section,
“Despite the closeness of the election, it was widespread voter disenfranchisement, not the dead-heat contest, that was the extraordinary feature in the Florida election. The disenfranchisement was not isolated or episodic. And state officials failed to fulfill their duties in a manner that would prevent this disenfranchisement.”
Link for Voting Irregularities in Florida During the 2000 Presidential Election
If only Hustler had printed Brad’s article immediately, and Lou Dobbs and the MSM had picked up on it sooner, we could have avoided all these bumper stickers actually found on vehicles nowadays:
*BLIND FAITH IN BAD LEADERSHIP IS NOT PATRIOTISM
*IF YOU’RE NOT OUTRAGED, YOU’RE NOT PAYING ATTENTION
*IF YOU SUPPORTED BUSH, A YELLOW RIBBON WON’T MAKE UP FOR IT
*POVERTY, HEALTHCARE & HOMELESSNESS ARE MORAL ISSUES
*OF COURSE IT HURTS. YOU’RE GETTING SCREWED BY AN ELEPHANT
*BUSH LIED, AND YOU KNOW IT
*RELIGIOUS FUNDAMENTALISM: A THREAT ABROAD, A THREAT AT HOME
*BUSH SPENT YOUR SOCIAL SECURITY ON HIS WAR
*PROAMERICA, ANTI BUSH
*WHO WOULD JESUS BOMB?
*FEEL SAFER NOW?
*A PRESIDENT SCREWED HIS INTERN ANOTHER SCREWED HIS COUNTRY
*JESUS WAS A SOCIAL ACTIVIST – THAT IS A LIBERAL
*MY VALUES? FREE SPEECH. EQUALITY.LIBERTY. EDUCATION. TOLERANCE
*IS IT 2008 YET?
*DISSENT IS THE HIGHEST FORM OF PATRIOTISM — Thomas Jefferson
*DON’T BLAME ME. I VOTED AGAINST BUSH — TWICE!
*ANNOY A CONSERVATIVE; THINK FOR YOURSELF
*VISUALIZE IMPEACHMENT
*HEY BUSH! WHERE’S BIN LADEN?
*CORPORATE MEDIA = MASS MIND CONTROL
*STOP MAD COWBOY DISEASE
*BUSH: MAKING TERRORISTS FASTER THAN HE CAN KILL THEM
*KEEP YOUR THEOCRACY OFF MY DEMOCRACY
*CORPORATE MEDIA: WEAPONS OF MASS DECEPTION
*DON’T CONFUSE DYING FOR OIL WITH FIGHTING FOR FREEDOM
*HATE, GREED, IGNORANCE: WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION
*HONOR OUR TROOPS – DEMAND THE TRUTH
*REBUILD IRAQ? WHY NOT SPEND 300 BILLION ON AMERICA?
*FACT: BUSH OIL
1999 – $19 BARREL
2006 – $70 BARREL
*SUPPORT OUR TROOPS – IMPEACH BUSH AND CHENEY
*HAD ENOUGH?
#64 Dredd :
That’s a Tall order that I agree with But. . . what if . . . what if . . . what if
Do you really think if Larry F. published this article immediately it would have made a difference ? ? ?
I’m of the think’in this may be the right time.
I agree with Judge of Judges. The Bilbray-Busby debacle, on the heels of all the failed tests and the Lou Dobbs series, makes the Hustler article timely. The biggest problem will be overcoming Hustler’s image and the name itself.
Fifty years ago we had magazines like True Detective and Police Gazette, whose names were suited to coverage of unsolved crimes. Aside from the photos of female genitalia, the name “Hustler” connotes the opposite of truth-telling. So the focus should be on Brad’s credibility, not the magazine’s.
RLM #66
You said:
With all the evidence I would urge a focus on the facts in place of a focus on the folks.
RLM #62
Well said.
Take a joke JOJ #65, I learned that principle from another JOJ, (Joker of Jokers) 😉 .
RLM – I only Remember those provocative covers on those “MAGS”
Brad’s credabillity may have suffered from an . . . earlier release.
Larry Flint has already taken a Bullet (still unsolved) for his 1st Amendment right & is in wheelchair for Life 4-it !
As faw as I’m concerned that make him A Real American Patriot . . . . . He AIN’T Stupid Either. . .
I have nothing against Larry Flynt. He has fought hard for the First Amendment; usually in self defense, but hard nonetheless.
But we’re up against a perception problem here. Don’t get me wrong; it’s great that Brad’s article is reaching print. But Republicans are spinmeisters of the first rank, who will attempt to discredit the article by drawing attention to Hustler itself. And whether we like it or not, that’s a problem.
RLM – Exactly! Hustler doesn’t Fly, in the Fly-over states . . . . . EXCEPT when it’s in a plain Brown wrapper. . .
Dredd – I think I get it . . . LoL
I was amazed to be able to find this on the net! I wonder if Larry King�s audience laughed as hard as I did at the last comment by Larry Flint.
This text is from a joint appearance of Larry Flint and Jerry Falwell on the Larry King show from 1997 just prior to the release of “The People Vs. Larry Flynt” (great film). I never saw the exchange, but caught Mr Flint on another show recanting it. Just reading the text does it no justice. I hate to say his being so horribly crippled and speech impaired added to the humor, but I think it did. Use your imagination. I deleted a portion of the show as indicated by the hashed line.
KING: Were you at the Supreme Court the day of the arguments?
FLYNT: Yeah.
FALWELL: Yes.
KING: You both were there, saw each other in the court.
FLYNT: Yeah, but we weren’t in the mood to talk.
KING: What are your feelings right now, Jerry, toward Larry Flynt, today, right now?
FALWELL: Well, I have never had any ill feelings toward him. I think that his business is sleaze and garbage, and I think that it’s demeaning to women and children.
KING: No ill feelings toward him?
FALWELL: Of course not.
– – – – – – – –
FALWELL: You can’t scream fire in a crowded theater. In other words, my First Amendment rights and yours end where the welfare of the little people begins, and there are laws about that. It would not have been unreasonable for the U.S. Supreme Court to rule as the fourth circuit court of appeals did, that there is a sensible line where that a garbage magazine like “Hustler” can go so far but cannot demean and attack, even in a parody or whatever, innocent, nonpublic figures…
KING: Like the mother of a public figure.
FALWELL: …children, that kind of thing. That’s just mean. Like he said, he doesn’t mean to demean women and dumping here on Gloria Steinem. What about feeding a nude woman through a meat grinder on the cover of his magazine? What about strapping a woman to the front of a hunting truck coming out of the woods nude and so forth.
KING: Bad taste.
FALWELL: It’s worse than bad taste. It reflects a hatred for…
FLYNT: Jerry, when you call me garbage, call me Mr. Garbage.
Entire Show
I think It’s very interesting that Democracy For America has decided to endorse Clint Curtis. It has to mean they have NO DOUBTS as to the validity of his story.
I’m definitly going to request the national endorsement from both groups!
By the way, in talking about Jerry Falwell’s phony gift of Forgiveness, whoever committed this heinous and evil crime has me hating the sin and the sinner! May they forever burn in hell for not just taking a man’s life, but trying to destroy the meaning of my country at the same time!
Well put, Larry B
What I need to know is, what are the copyright laws regarding reprinting and distributing the pdf form of this article (sans photos)?
I know a LOT of people who would never buy the magazine, but who would definitely be interested in reading the article. (In fact, I don’t think there’s anyplace in my town where you can buy ANY men’s magazines.) What I’m thinking is along the lines of “Whispering Campaign” – printing out copies to leave in public places (with complete attribution, of course).
re: #69 Robert Lockwood Mills – I know what you’re saying, the perception of the magazine itself really is a problem for a lot of people, especially here in the Bible belt. Where I live, the local library doesn’t keep art books with nudity on public display, and the art galleries don’t put nudes on the walls or allow them in festivals – I know, I know, it’s sad, and as an artist and photographer it drives me NUTS sometimes to have to be so careful, but hey, it’s home, we adapt)
You also have to consider that mere possession of a magazine at work that contains nudity can be grounds for dismissal under company codes of conduct – ESPECIALLY if you work at a place that does business with the government.
I was kind of disappointed to find this morning that although a google search of “Ray Lemme” turned up 2,780 hits, a google NEWS search turned up nothing. So, I’ll take what we can get at this point as far as getting it out into the public eye, and hope for a followup report from a mainstream news source or a publication with a wider demographic – hopefully BEFORE the next election cycle.
Wonder if there’s any chance that Lou Dobbs might be interested in this story as part of his coverage of election fraud?
Probably the most absolutely hilarious talking point fostered by Diebold, or perhaps fostered by the GOP directly, is this:
Yes, that hilarious statement was made by a Diebold warlord.
The fact of the matter is that election felonies are being directed from the White House itself:
(link here, bold added).
The election fraud reality is so blatant in America today that it is hard for honest people to believe. That is what the crooks are counting on … the disbelief of the people.
But the people show in the polls that they think this republican dictatorship is a ship of liars. And they want that ship to sink during the November storm.
Hand counts are the only safe harbor for America … and if the republican dictatorship gets its way, even that harbor is going to be sold to Dubai/UAE.
For K.B.: I believe Larry Flynt may grant permission for Brad’s article to be reprinted elsewhere. Once Hustler has gone through its monthly readership cycle and the next month’s edition is on the stand, I can’t see any reason why Flynt would refuse.
If it were reprinted, say, in Vanity Fair, that would add a lot to its credibility. I hope it happens.
An investigative reporter in Florida has info on his web site about details of the death Raymond Lemme,..
Valdosta Police Department – photos, statements, reports
Florida – Insider Magazine,.. has a detailed investigative report on the hows, whys and wherefores
on the death (murder) of Raymond Lemme. Link here