He was way ahead in the polls last week. It would be fun to see the Petro ads rebranded and used against him. Saves money, too.
A local cartoonist did a strip a couple weeks ago showing a redneck (we have a surplus) melting while attempting to vote for a n....
Fun!.

Mark Crispin Miller is all over the theocratic impulse that has no compunctions against stealing elections. Case in point right here.

Press Release
From State Senator Teresa Fedor

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Tuesday, MAy 2, 2006 Contact: Katherine Thomsen
(614) 466-5204 or (614) 390-9677

Ohio’s electial dysfunction not a surprise
Fedor to Blackwell: “Where did the HAVA money go?”

(Columbus) The 2006 primary got under way, but in many polling locations across the state it got underway late. In Franklin County, 20 percent of polling locations opened late. Cuyahoga County also had many reports of polling places opening late.

“Many of the Boards of Elections are blaming the problem on poll workers, which clearly points to the fact that we did not have enough poll worker trainings across the state,” State Senator Teresa Fedor (D-Toledo) stated. “The county Boards of Elections officials needed the Secretary of State to pressure the vendors for training in time to train their staff and poll workers. Now we have yet another disastrous election day.”

“The technical staff for Diebold had varied training levels from county to county. In some counties, workers were given manuals, while in other counties like Lucas County in Northwest Ohio; Diebold staff were given fewer training materials. It only makes sense that the chief election official would insist on a uniform system of training across Ohio from the voting machine vendors.”

Tomorrow a public records request will be sent by Senator Teresa Fedor to Secretary of State, J. Kenneth Blackwell, asking for the documents that trace how the federal dollars from HAVA (Help America Vote Act) were spent in the state of Ohio. The Senator will also be requesting documents from Diebold and ES&S, the two largest voting machine providers for Ohio, for documents pertaining to their training practices for technical staff, election officials, and poll workers.

Senator Fedor continued, “It is incredibly important that we know where the federal dollars from the Help America Vote Act (HAVA) were spent. It is obvious that enough money did not go towards poll worker training. We knew that this significant change was coming for years and election after election our poll workers and County Board of Elections staff are not trained properly on the new machines,” Senator Fedor said. “Lucas County had many problems this past November’s election, and 50 past poll workers decided not to work the polls for this election. Many stated that their experience in November made them not want to work the polls again.”

“This failure falls on Blackwell’s watch and it needs to be scrutinized immediately.” Senator Fedor said. “The state of Ohio needs to guarantee every voter that their vote counts and they won’t be turned away at the polls. Since we began using electronic voting machines in Ohio every election has been a disaster. The Secretary of State should have learned from the past elections what problems we may face in this election, and be prepared for the next. We should have resolved them before the voters were turned away, but instead, it’s more of the same. Another unintended measure for the county board of elections will be the thousands of dollars it will take to clean up this mess. I am going to do everything in my power to stop that from happening.”

Senator Fedor is going to immediately convene a group of elections experts to address the flaws and questionable practices witnessed in Ohio over the past few elections. This group will present their findings to the Secretary of State’s office, and County Board’s of Elections. Senator Fedor will also fight to ensure that the vendors are held accountable for the failure of the machines and lack of quality training.

“Voters should not have to wonder if we are running a fair and honest election, it should be guaranteed.” Senator Fedor said.

WTF is it with Kenneth Blackwell anyway?? What a train wreck.

I don't see anything wrong with churches advocating citizen involvement in government as long as they are teaching the responsibility an individual should exercise as a member of the community. When they start telling their congregation which party or candidate they should support, they're crossing the line. Any church that makes that leap becomes a political organization and should be treated like one by the law.

I'm inclined to think that the primary reason curches or individual pastors turn down this road is money.

I wonder how long it will take the IRS to do their investigation? It seems fairly cut and dry to me, yet they can maybe dilly dally for months or even years to where they offer no assistance to the problem in the end.

I actually FEAR these people. I'm Christian, and I treasure my faith and practice regularly. But I sure as hell don't want my religion dictating what I support, who I support, or what is my conscience. I think God gave me a free will to make those decisions based on my own beliefs. This is scary stuff. Makes me ashamed to be Christian.

Here's a fun little graphic - How the GOP Auction House Hurts You. Have your speakers on.

This skank was a Bushit yes man who did every thing in his power to obstruct with the Ohio Presidential and Green and Libertarian waged recount. The Ohio Free Press did a very good job of documenting his work. Like Bush he is not in jail for his criminal actions although if the day comes when truth and justice matter again in this country, this fcker will do some time.

I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.”

for steve mihalis,well said brother.peace

steve mihalis said:

"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.”

Those "Christians" of whom you speak are not true Christians. They call themselves such but exhibit in their actions and thoughts that they are not. Jesus would never approve of their behavior.

They will be called to answer for their sins one day!

# 9 Steve Mihalis,..
As spoken ,... by Mahatma Gandhi.

Blackwell and his cohorts over there in Ohio have the specific intentions to dismantle and destruct
Democracy,.. installing their devine Theocracy. It is a nasty form of government by God,.. administered
by men who have anointed themselves his emissaries.

They are Dominionist and (Social) Reconstruction Theologists. These folks compared to the Taliban,... their religious rules and dictates,.. the Taliban will seem to be a glee club. Their version of God's rules and commandments must be strictly followed or the wrath of heaven will be suffered by you. These religious zealots will stop for nothing,.. until they have succeeded in hijacking control of our systems of government.

In Ohio - GOD Hijacks Government

1. Immediately, start taxing churches, or at least these religious organizations.

2. How stupid can these religious people be, to fall for these Republican lies again and again and again? They are ASTOUNDINGLY stupid! It shows the IQ of religious people, I am totally serious. This is a great case in point.

30% Ohio vote tabulated,... 10:43pm

Govenor :
Ken Blackwell (R) 146,959
Jim Petro (R) 120,529

US House :
Jean Schmidt (R) 10,512
Bob McEwen (R) 7,856

Ohio Governor Race - 11:46pm

GOP Primary
Ken Blackwell 257,531
Jim Petro.......208,481

Demo Primary Winner
Ted Strickland 331,823

Blackwell makes me wish I was black just so I could call him an Uncle Tom.

Yeah, like the Bush IRS is gonna get right on it and investigate their bread and butter voters...
Depend on anything in government not happening if it can in any way hurt the Pubs... We've seen how this game is played for awhile now.
But how many Black churches should be called for the same "sin?"
I wouldn't be surprised if the first churches pounded for this are Black...

shw

This just in... he "won." Surprise, surprise! See, now his challenger just did not pay Diebold enough.

This is of course disastrous if not unpredictable. Now he WILL be the next governor of Ohio, thereby rendering that state (like Florida) a permanent NeoCon hub. They're working on doing it to several other states, too, folks...

Anyone in the mainstream media ready to start reporting on the stolen presidential election of 2004 YET? Hello???

We shall hang Kenny Blackwell from a sour apple tree!
We shall hang Kenny Blackwell from a sour apple tree!
We shall hang Kenny Blackwell from a sour apple tree!
Our God is marching on!

Glory glory halleluyah!
Blackwell hit me with a ruler!
Met him in the West with a loaded ESS
Ken Blackwell votes no more!

"The IRS has promised to step up its' prosecution of these abuses."

Yeah for liberal churches I'm sure.

Religious Fascists hijack control of a church,...

(DOMINIONISTS - Covertly Destroy Religious Democratic Processes)

See Link

Link : DOMINIONISTS : The Grand Plan : SUBJUGATION

Primary Race Ohio - 90% vote in - 4:35 ET
For Governor ;

Democratic winner
Ted Strickland 562,997

Republican winner
Ken Blackwell 435,509

Link : Ohio Race

I'm getting so sick and tired of them putting religion in with politics when Jesus wasn't political at all. Ugh. And then they turn around and backstab the religion they claim to be more holy then me as a liberal. :plain:

To Michael don't count on the IRS to go after them. They haven't yet and they've been doing this for the past few years now. Last year a California church their preacher preached just against war and for peace (mentioned nothing with politics) and the IRS was immediatley on this preacher's butt. But yet these people can get away with it?! :angry:

I look at Blackwell, and I see Barry Bonds. On second thought, Bonds might be more honest.

The Fristian Right strikes again.

Don't you just wish a bolt of lightning would come down out of the sky and burn a big ol' "H" for HYPOCRIT right into their foreheads?

The Old Turk #22

The good news is that Strickland got 127,488 more votes than Blackwell did.

Democratic winner
Ted Strickland 562,997

Republican winner
Ken Blackwell 435,509

Most Christians are hypocrites.
But their leaders are the biggest phony hypocrites, so what can you expect? (Do as I say, not as I do.)
Most just go to church for the social aspect & to feel "saved" because they go to church.
They'll say, "Church is made for sinners, not saints".
End of story.

The Catholic Church hands out a list of which political candidates are pro-life before elections & has for years.

Strickland's vote total, compared to Blackwell's, is very good news. Presumably, Independents will trend toward Strickland in the general election, on account of Republican corruption generally, even if one doesn't view Blackwell as an electoral crook.

But Blackwell is still Secretary of State. That means he's still in charge of the election process, in particular allocation of voting machines. Pray God that Democrats are smart enough to insist on a fair allocation this time; it seems a no-brainer, but they let Schmidt get away with stealing an election from Hackett, and we still don't know the truth about what happened in Warren County on election night.

RLM #29

If you don't know what happened, then why not blame your disfavored political party?

And as to the Hackett thingy, we should never blame those in charge? Even if it is Blackwell? Blame anyone but him ... for instance blame the democrats? Why not the greens, libertarians, independents, etc. ... why only the democrats?

Please explain how the blame shifts from Blackwell as the person in charge, to others who are not in charge when things go wrong?

Isn't that the bu$hit way?

IT IS THE FAULT

OF THE GREENS

AND INDEPENDENTS

FOR NOT STOPPING THIS

Dredd, I never said the blame shifts away from Blackwell. My point is simply this...Democrats have failed to effectively oppose Blackwell's machine in the past, with a few exceptions like Sherolle Eaton, who got fired for her trouble (and where was the Ohio Democratic party when she needed their support and legal help?). For the most part Ohio Democrats have reacted like Kerry in 2004. "Ho, hum, we lost...business as usual. Let's prepare for next time (Ed. Note: when we get screwed again)."

You're right that Blackwell is the primary villain. But you and I can't oppose him effectively from a distance; the main opposition must come from within Ohio, and from all sources. Democrats have more power than Greens, Libertarians, and Independents have, by far, so I think they deserve the lion's share of the blame for allowing Blackwell to run roughshod over the laws of the state.

The choice isn't, "Should we blame Republicans or should we blame somebody else?" For me, to blame Ohio Republicans for being crooked is like blaming the Mafia for being the Mafia. If law enforcement does nothing about organized crime, do we throw up our hands and say, "Don't blame the cops, blame the crooks."??? Or do we say, "The cops have to start doing the job fighting crime."???

I think we agree that Ohio Republicans are going to continue being crooked as long as nobody stops them. To the extent that the political process is the only way to stop them, Democrats (as the "loyal opposition") have the primary responsibility for doing that. So far, they've failed miserably, just as the national party establishment has failed to address the question of election fraud since 2000.

Dredd and RLM in the primary the Repugs had about 95,000 more votes total than the Dem total. This is 6% of the total vote and could be overcome.

I have a theory of why many Americans support leaders who are taking us into hell. Leaders that are so stupid, they put the love of money before their own existence.

Religious people are taught practically from birth to believe in things that are blatantly ridiculous (Jesus died for your sins thousands of years before you were born etc...). That causes them, not only to make the wrong decision, but sometimes the exact opposite decision that makes any sense! Like voting for leaders that NEVER espouse a single teaching of Jesus. I don’t want to tick anybody off, but I’m just trying to understand!

That’s what makes the voting machines THE issue in America. Even the evangelicals are getting wise to these thugs. Because so many people are involved with religion, Karl Rove can always say they are the ones who turned an election. I think we have to get them involved in fighting election fraud but I refuse to lie about MY belief that It’s nonsense.

Can anybody tell me what to do!

RLM is right on the money. It reminds me of when people criticized the treatment at Abu Ghraib prison, and Bush apologists said "hey, where was all the outrage for SADDAM HUSSEIN and his rape rooms?" Well, thats nice. But all the outrage in the world wasn't going to change Saddam Hussein.

There is a principle here. We are responsible for our own actions, not anyone elses. As this community may be diverse in terms of liberal/conservative and partisan affiliation, the one thing we all agree on is that electronic voting is dangerous and Republicans happen to be at the heart of that danger. As the only opposition party, the Democrats represent our best hope for a systemic change. Therefore, any expression of "outrage" at the Republican party is a dissipation of energy that is best directed at Democrats, the entity that we at least theoretically have an influence on. Take nothing for granted. If Democrats could regain power while at the same time completely ignoring the issue of electronic voting, they would do it. It is the community's job to keep the pressure on the party, and make sure they deliver.

The approach that people like Dredd take mirrors that of Bush apologists. "By criticizing warrantless domestic surveillance and data mining by the NSA, you hurt national security" is analogous to "By criticizing the Democratic party, you hurt their chances to regain power." Dredd would have us zip our lips and not talk about critical issues like electronic voting or impeachment until after the election. Elections do not occur in a vacuum. Democrats will not be elected if they do not show the will to carry out the reforms and investigations necessary, and they will not campaign on these issues if the community does not demand it. This is the John Kerry approach. Take the safe position, give measured responses, and let the other guy self-destruct. It doesn't work.

Anticipating Dredd's cut and paste of how the structure of congress works, I'll say the following. No one has delusions of Greens and Independents sweeping congress in a surprise upset. People want someone to stand up and draw bright lines between themselves and the administratio. If the Democrats, currently, are afraid to speak out forcefully against wrongdoing, they are not an opposition party. Despite luminaries like Conyers and Feingold, there is no reason to believe that the party will take a unified position if they float into power without the appropriate demands placed on them. It is more likely that the handful of representatives and senators will be snowballed by their own party. So lets do something besides cross our fingers.

Primary Race Ohio - 98% vote in - 5/3/06 - 7:19 ET
For Governor ;

Democratic winner
Ted Strickland 594,448

Republican winner
Ken Blackwell 444,138

If the race were yesterday,... Blackwell would have lost the race to Strickland by 150,310 votes.

But if you analyze the US House and Senate races
the tabulation numbers indicate the Democratic
Party will have a stiff hill to climb.

Expect a contentious election battle,.. with the Republicans playing every dirty trick from Rove's book. Election fraud in November,.. Blackwell as SOS,.. is manning the controls.

The drums of Democracy,..
the beat goes on.

BVAC #35

You stroked yourself well. But that will not produce offspring.

Unless and until you and/or RLM show me, step by step, how the US Congress (focus please) can be controlled, handled, manipulated, or directed by the minority party (notice I did not name any campaign party), then I consider you lame in the realm of American political science.

You are practicing UFO politics and claiming that a gold plated UFO can save us all. Fine, I can not disprove that ... or prove that. So it is useless to me ... or any other strategist.

When asked to do an Artificial Intelligence project, I realized I had to emulate an existing essence we call "intelligence". I had to know what "intelligence" is before I could create and animate a likeness of it.

Guess what I found out during the research phase? The experts are in great conflict as to what "intelligence" is, and a controversy rages between the school of Penrose, Turin, Goedel, and those in opposition who seem to want a computer for a brain.

Those opposing "schools" can't even agree to whether the "mind" is composed of brain only, or a "cognitive essence" in addition to the brain.

Back to the US congress ... what if you had to write software that would emulate the US Congress ...

What I deal in is the observance of the structure of power. And the nature and construct of that power.

And in this context, congress (of the US), this is not a complicated structure. It is in fact, quite simple.

So, you should be able to show me, step by step, just exactly what any democrat can do to stop the republican dictatorship.

How can any member, or all members together, of the minority party:

1) get a bill to the floor
2) get a bill signed into law
3) subpoena anyone for any reason
4) conduct any official committee hearing ...

if the REPUBLICAN MAJORITY is dead set against it?

Just cool down, breathe, and tell me that ... and I will thank you if you tell the facts, the truth, are accurate, and answer my question.

Otherwise, you are just continuing to bullshit and I am just continuing to point it out.

Dredd,

You've walked off the deep end.

If the race were yesterday,... Blackwell would have lost the race to Strickland by 150,310 votes.

Earth to Old Turk......

If the race was yesterday... Republicans: 794012, Democrats: 749064

Blackwell wins by 44,948

Noesis, have you ever heard of an Independent voter?

We're pretty smart on this blog, unlike a few others I could mention. Most of us don't post bullet-point statements like the one you just put up. In the fall election, non-affiliated voters will go to the polls and vote for either Strickland or Blackwell. And, voters in both parties who skipped the primary will come out. So party registration isn't indicative; the fact that more Democrats voted for Strickland than Republicans voted for Blackwell probably is.

For Dredd: Right. Getting bills to the floor and into law, issuing subpoenas, and conducting hearings is very difficult for the minority party.

But the Democrats' responsibility to police Bush never depended ONLY on those factors, as you would have us believe. Democrats have failed, big time, in the areas where could have made a difference. Exceptions are Conyers, Tubbs-Jones, Boxer, Slaughter, Waters, Nadler, and (sometimes)Feingold.

1) Barbara Boxer stood alone among U.S. Senators on Jan. 6, 2005.

2) Barack Obama (our supposed savior...not!) responded to calls for an election inquiry with a brilliant statement: "Get real! There was fraud on both sides." (ergo, it's "real" to ignore fraud?)

3) Bubba Clinton said, "Bush won the election fair and square." No Democrat contradicted him.

4) No Democrat has publicly challenged Cheney's top-secret energy conference in 2001. None that I know of has made a speech (they're still legal, Dredd) with the theme, "What was going on then?"

5) Democrats have abandoned ethics oversight along with the Republicans. But Russ Feingold took advantage of a Senatorial prerogative to push a censure motion against Bush. He didn't need to be in the majority to do that. How many other times has this happened, on ethics or any other topic?

6) The DNC is more concerned with fund-raising than with an agenda for Americans. They flood the Internet with requests for money, as if money can fix the problems they identify in their sales pitches. All the money does is fatten their coffers so they can run TV ads, which become spitting contests vs. Republicans. Who the hell wants to pay for that?

I want reform, not partisanship. We'll be marginally better off with Democrats in control of Congress, but only marginally. A third party is needed to clean up Washington, Dredd; with any two-party structure, money and influence will rule the roost.

Dredd,

Where is the evidence that if the Democrats should regain Congress (and as RLM states, it will be better if they do) they will enact the election reform that is so obviously needed. This is the position that I hold. It's not that I won't vote for Democrats, or when I talk to folks out in the real world I'll certainly say "These corrupt Republican bastards must go, they are destroying democracy"...but where is the evidence that the Democrats (other than a handful like Waxman, Feingold, Boxer, etc) will fight for what is right? They haven't given any precedent that they can unify to consistently oppose this Impostor-Emperor's terrible policies.

I believe that is what we are waiting for. THey have little to lose, and lots to gain by unifying against this administration. But then you have Dems like Steny (sp?) Hoyer coming out and saying that Stephen Colbert went too far and that the pResident deserves respect. WTF??

Soul Rebel: I disagree on your last point. They have little to gain by taking a unified stance against the administration. That is the problem, they are comfortable with their position in the establishment. Maybe they want a little bit more power to pass bills and such, but the name of the game is "go along to get along" and they've been perfectly willing to play it for the past four years.

I agree with RLM #41

While it may be near impossible for the minority party to do much as DREDD has pointed out, the Dems certainly could have raised Holy Hell over the myriad of problems the Repugs have presented us with.
By keeping quiet they have allowed the propaganda from the Repugs flourish.

Also keep in mind, that that handful of people effectively control the discourse in this country. In the absence of Democrats protesting, however futile, Republicans fill the vacuum. When one side doesn't speak out FORCEFULLY, it gives the general public the impression "well, if no ones complaining, I guess Bush is right." The biggest bullshit of all is when politicians say "I happen to disagree with the president" or "I don't like how the war was handled." No dipshits, if the entire rationale for war was a lie, it's not a "disagreement", it's treason. I swear Bush could feed these guys a shit sandwich and they'd be afraid to stop eating it.

bvac

Basically that's what I tried to say - you said it so much more eloquently! LOL

RLM #41

I said:

"How can any member, or all members together, of the minority party:

if the REPUBLICAN MAJORITY is dead set against it?" (post #37).

BVAC ran and hid, and you said "Getting bills to the floor and into law, issuing subpoenas, and conducting hearings is very difficult for the minority party."

That is quite unfair, understated, and calculated to cover the reality.

The truth is that it is impossible, is not going to happen, and does not happen. Not since circa 1859.

So you guys who are attacking those who can't do anything about it, and not admitting what you are doing.

This is somewhere this side of honest, and does not help matters at all.

Our political system is quite simple. The majority party rules congress. The minority party does not.

Until you guys get that you are fighting windmills that are not the problem.

Why do you resist the will of the people like the republican dictatorship does? Even the republican dictatorship understands that the people want them out and democrats in. So does Mehlman:

"RNC Chairman Ken Mehlman met with Republican members of Congress this week to impress upon them just how bad the opinion polls are looking for them, and warning that they face a possible catastrophe in November" (link here, bold added).

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Soul Rebel #42

You present the classic straw man (link here).

My premise is that congress is controlled lock, stock, and barrel by the majority party.

No one can refute that. It has been that way since circa 1859.

A few more democrats in the senate and the house will turn the congress upside down. The revolution I seek is to make the republicans the minority party.

The democrats will then chair each and every committee in the house and senate, have majority membership on each and every committee in the house and the senate, and for the first time in years, have subpoena power and hearing power.

That is doable and not pie in the sky, gold plated UFO politics.

That is axiomatically the end of the republican dictatorship. That is all I am seeking.

Nirvana and heavenly government where only angels inhabit the presidency and the congress will have to wait. Congress members and presidents who serve without sin will have to wait.

I am a realist and deal primarily with reality. I will settle with a shift in power and fewer criminals.

Gotta start somewhere ...

RLM #41

You said:

"But the Democrats' responsibility to police Bush ..."

As I have said over and over you are doing an unfounded burden shift fallacy (link here). The burden lies with those who have power, which is the republican dictatorship. You have tried to admit this, and made some headway, but have not come clean.

First of all, the requirement you have thought up, "the Democrats' responsibility to police Bush" is not a law or principle anywhere that I know of. Nor is it to the point of what I have been saying: the majority party has the power in congress by virtue of the rules of congress, and therefore that majority party has the responsibility.

The majority party is not the democrats. This should not be a disputed fact. So they are not the Bush police, congress is, and the responsibility to police lies with those having chair, subpoena, hearing, and vote strength accordingly.

Since you bring up your own premise it is your burden to show where it comes from. The reality in the United States is that it is the congress and the judiciary that oversees, checks, and balances the president. Not the minority political party.

You will find no law or principle anywhere that says it is the duty of the minority party to do that. The majority party with the subpoena power, hearing power, and voting power on the committees which do this is where the responsibility lies.

The best way to pop the republican dictatorship bubble is to change the majority party in congress. Not to elect a holier group that will never sin and do any wrong.

That is for heaven, not Washington, DC. If you expect too much you will always be disappointed.

But just taking the majority party status from the republicans is not out of reach or fanciful, and has the best chance for avoiding disappointment.

Just a curious thought. When democrats go into black churches weeks before an election, are they also trying to use religion as well to "hijack elections". Just a thought. Here's another one. If democrat politicans speak at pro abortion or gay rights group, are they using homosexuality and abortion to "hijack elections" as well? Sounds pretty hypocritical doesn't it? :crazy:

Dredd:

Pay attention. This is what a real democrat sounds like.

BVAC - #51

I sure like what that guy had to say. Poor Howard Dean is in one of those bad job situations where his boss tells him to do one thing, and his supervisor want’s something else. This guy seems to get it, but he can’t just hand the problem over to Dean. Dean needs support from us, but he can’t pay us a dime like the Republicans can to the purveyors of their corrupt strategy (phony ads, phone jamming, fake commentators). It’s a tough problem!

Great link BVAC - yes, that is exactly what a Democrat should soound. In fact, that's what Howard Dean DID sound like when he was still running for Pres, and that's why I supported him. He's been forced to change his tune now that the DNC has their claws in him (even though he is the chair.)

It's hard to beleive how much power the mainstream media still has considering how they have been exposed.

I went to a local meeting of liberals here last night, and people still have their doubts about Dean's ability to keep his head in a tough situation because of the "Dean scream".

For God's sake people, Dean was screaming "you have the power" for weeks before they decided to trash him relentlessly for saying on Chris Mathews show that he intended to break up some of the media consolidation.

How can Dean fight THAT without more support from all of us and his own damn party.

Nobody will ever convince me that is the 2000 election hadn't been stolen, that we wouldn't have been headed for real change. Clinton did everything he could at the time to get us moving. Just look at how powerful the media is, even when they have to prop up complete nonsense. Maybe Bush's theft was a good thing after all. It has served to expose the vastness of the deceit involved here.

BVAC #51

You want some man to be your hero. I want the constitution and law to be our hero.

You want to wage a holy war and put personas in power that do not look like humans to me.

Power corrupts anyone, and so, the issue is to keep people from becoming corrupt.

Once they become corrupt, however, the only issue is how do we remove them.

My solution is to do it as soon as possible, and as easily as possible, realizing things will go wrong.

Your position is to bring heaven to earth, and specifically to Washington, DC, so you can have some organization in power we can worship.

All I can tell you is that you are dreaming and you had better settle for an American, planet earth, and reality based solution.

Otherwise you will be typing disappointments for longer than your current keyboard will last.

Dredd, I had a nice long explanation typed out here, but I'll keep it simple instead. We both agree that Republicans need to be at 49, and the only way to do that is for the Democrats to be at 51.

The difference is that you expect Democrats to go into a coma for the next five months, then wake up and handily win their elections. I believe they have an obligation to show their constituents that they are on the side of civil liberties, accountability, and leadership. That is what the public wants, and that is what they will turn out for.

I don't know anything about Van Os except that statement. He clearly 'gets it' and we need more of THOSE democrats than the "I disagree with that" and "I think that could have been executed more effectively" democrats. This isn't about personalities. It's about making sure the people we put in office will take the appropriate actions, and not be another handful of enablers.

It's time for Democrats to speak out, not shut up. You are the one who is dreaming if you expect people to overwhelmingly turn out for silent dems.

I am new to ohio, i just moved here from Boston. After hearing this video and learning blackwells views on abortion, gay marriage , and gun laws, i have joined the Strickland for governor campaign. Strickland must Win!