So finaly they are being exposed in all their lying glory!

Looks like the MSM is starting to get some balls.

Of course weve known about the trailers for over a year now and have been suspicious about Al-Zarqawi for some time.

It will be interesting to see how the trolls try to spin this one.

Lies. Lies. Lies. Lies. But the biggest lie of all remains unchallenged.

There are two groups of people in this world: those who believe the official explanation of the events of September 11th, 2001, and those who have examined the evidence and realize that the official version of events is totally unbelievable.

Free viewing of Loose Change 2 linked from this blog. If you haven't seen it.... understand that it will dispel every doubt you have:

CLICK HERE

Scariest of all is that 48% of polled Americans support military intervention in Iran

Rawstory is running some good stories on this today. Basically, it's the same group of people pushing for the same bullshit in Iran that they pushed for in Iraq. Their claims that Iran will have a nuclear bomb in 2 seconds is of course contested by every intelligence agency in the world.

Let's also point out that Phase II of the senate investigation into the failed intelligence in the buildup to the Iraq war is still not completed (sounds like it's Feith's office that is just flat out refusing to answer any questions at all about it). So, the administration still doesn't know who the specific people or agencies are that fed them the false intelligence in the buildup to war in Iraq, so it's a very real possibility that they may end up listening to the same people or agencies again when they're looking at Iran. This administration is supposed to be the one that is all about "national security", yet they don't even care to find out who lied to them in past...

The Bush administration lying? Can't be true. The only thing these guys don't lie about is?.. is... cannot come up with anything. Maybe someone will impeach and jail them before they attack another country or sabotage one of the last good things in this country that's good only because it's been untouched by their hands thus they didn't get a chance to fck it up yet. Biggest losers in modern history and still in power. Go bushit admininstration ying yang is waiting to happen for you.

This is another case, where they said the bloggers were "conspiracy theorists". Blogs have been reporting this for over a year now! 9/11 is the next thing that will be taken seriously: 911truth.org st911.org etc... gaining momentum...the truth is gaining momentum. e-vote machines, too.

So who are the terrorists?

"Asked how long the MEK agents have been active in the region under the guidance of the US military civilian leadership, the UN official explained that the clandestine war had been going on for roughly a year and included unmanned drones run jointly by several agencies.

In a stunning repeat of pre-war Iraq activities, the Bush administration continues to publicly call for action and pursue diplomatic solutions to allegations that Iran is bomb-ready. Behind the scenes, however, the administration is already well underway and engaged in ground operations in Iran."

This is just unbelievable! Or is it! Hang on it looks like we're going for another ride!

These people have to go NOW!

You know what everyone's forgetting? Belefonte called Powell an "Uncle Tom" YEARS AGO!!! Now, Powell just came out and said he knew there were no WMD's in Iraq and that he didn't believe what he was being told to say.

Some people call that being a "good soldier"...others call it being an "Uncle Tom"...

Ok, this is off topic but really fun to watch. Cheney being booed and FOX news talking over it. Really funny.
www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/34851/

Compare Corporate-TV News to independent TV news.

CNN's News Stories April 13 Corporate TV News
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-General who led 82nd Airborne wants Rumsfeld out
-9/11 plotter : We wanted to inflict pain
-U.S./U.N. differ over urgency for Iran action
-Beauty queen hopes to save teen rape victim's life
-Breaking school bus law is killing kids
-Grandson arrested in slayings of six relatives
-Football booster's death an accidental fall
-Teacher framed with MySpace porn
-Teen's gunpoint kidnap story a hoax, police say
-Feel-good immigrant story ends badly
-'South Park' aims at censors, hits Bush, Jesus
-David Lee Roth's listeners jump ship
-Dave Chappelle: Why I walked away

April 13th Democracy NOW! news (LINK-TV/FSTV)
DISH 9410 & 9415 (no corporate money)
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- 65,000 Iraqis Displaced By Violence
- Patrick Cockburn on Iraq: “I Have Never Seen the Situation So Grim”
- Fourth Retired General Calls For Rumsfeld to Resign
- AT&T Seeks Return of Leaked Documents Exposing NSA Spying
- Report: 15,000 Suffer From Medical Problems in NYC Post 9/11
- Powell Admits He Did Not Believe Iraq Posed Imminent Nuclear Threat
- Italy Won’t Seek Extradition of CIA Agents Involved in Kidnapping
- Rev. William Sloane Coffin, 81, Dies
-Village Voice Shakeup: Top Investigative Journalist Fired, Prize-Winning Writers Resign Following Merger with New Times Media
-The End of the Internet? Net Neutrality Threatened by Cable, Telecom Interests

INN Report TV News FSTV DISH 9415
(no corporate money)
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April 12 Wed INN Report

Notice, independent news has no politicians (like MSM has a plethora of Republicans), no pundits, no movie stars, no sports. Just important news, uncensored/unfiltered.

You wouldn't know Colin Powell admitted he knew there were no WMD's, if you watch CNN.

But you WOULD know that David Lee Roth's fans have jumped ship!!!!!!!!!!

I don't believe 48% of the American people want war with Iran...even though that's the same exact percentage of Americans that voted for Bush in 2004 (that's right, trolls...Bush didn't really win the election).

It's all in how you ask the question. When you see the results, you don't know how the question was posed. Here are several possible ways:

1) Would you favor an aggressive policy to keep Iran from having deadly nuclear weapons?

2) Would you favor an immediate attack in Iran, on the assumption that other methods of controlling its nuclear arsenal would fail, e.g. diplomacy?

3) Would an immediate attack on Iran be wise?

4) Have the United States and the United Nations exhausted their options in re Iran's development?

Most Americans (including your obedient servant) would answer "yes" to #1, "no" to 2,3, and 4. So before we assume that 48% of the American public has lost its marbles, let's first determine how the question was posed. They never tell us that.

I was there when this happened.

http://www.foxnews.com/s...ry/0,2933,120137,00.html

BAGHDAD, Iraq — A roadside bomb containing sarin nerve agent (search) recently exploded near a U.S. military convoy, the U.S. military said Monday.

Bush administration officials told Fox News that mustard gas (search) was also recently discovered.

Two people were treated for "minor exposure" after the sarin incident but no serious injuries were reported. Soldiers transporting the shell for inspection suffered symptoms consistent with low-level chemical exposure, which is what led to the discovery, a U.S. official told Fox News.

Because we never found it in one big pile so the boobs in the media could downplay and deny it exsisted. It's spread all over Iraq.

http://www.humaneventson...hp?id=10101&o=DIB004

WMDs Found in Iraq

Consider these shocking facts:

• Found: 1.77 metric tons of enriched uranium

• Found: 1,500 gallons of chemical weapons

• Found: Roadside bomb loaded with sarin gas

• Found: 1,000 radioactive materials--ideal for radioactive dirty bombs

• Found: 17 chemical warheads--some containing cyclosarin, a nerve agent five times more powerful than sarin

This is only a partial list of the deadly weapons Miniter reveals in his new book, Disinformation. Miniter systematically dissects the "No-WMD Myth" (how it started, and why it continues), as well as 21 other War-on-Terror myths perpetuated by the media.

http://www.worldnetdaily...cle.asp?ARTICLE_ID=38213

Saddam's WMD
have been found
New evidence unveils chemical, biological, nuclear, ballistic arms

By Kenneth R. Timmerman
© 2004 Insight/News World Communications Inc.

New evidence out of Iraq suggests the U.S. effort to track down Saddam Hussein's missing weapons of mass destruction is having better success than is being reported.

Iraq stats:

Access to treated water
Pre war: 5.5 million people
Now: 8.6 million

sewerage treatment capacity
Pre-war: 500,000
Now: 5 million

SOURCE: http://budget.senate.gov...ic/...ring021606.pdf

Note also:
pre-war electricty 3,958 MW 4-8/day
current electricty 4,200 MW 12.3 hours per day

Iraq 2002 GDP $20.5b ($802 per capita) 68% oil-related
Iraq 2005 GDP $27.9b ($1,051 per capita) 63% oil-related

Telephone subscribers
Pre-war: 833,000
Now: 4.6 million

Number of registered cars
Prewar 1.5 million
Now: 3.1 million

Internet Subscribers
Prewar: 4,500
mar 2005: 147,000

Commecial TV staions
Prewar: 0
Now: 44

Commericial radio stations
Prewar: 0
Now: 72

SOURCE:
http://www.brookings.edu/fp/saban/iraq/index.pdf

Ok this is off-topic, I confess...but how's this for some stunningly colossal greed:
"Exxon Chairman Gets $400 Million Retirement Package Amid Soaring Gas Prices"
http://www.abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=1841989

Did anyone else see the stunning Anderson Cooper program last night Dead Wrong ? It finally put into chonological format the lies leading up to Bush/Cheney's war that has now cost 2359 American lives.

After being angry with the lack of coverage on all the Bush crap finally some documentation. Maybe the "sheep, blind followers" will allow some common sense into their muddled brain.

Here we go again! With HCOCDR!

HCOCDR: 100,000 murdered Iraqi civilians.

4 generals calling for Rumsfeld's resignation.

Bush lied about weapons labs.

Bush lied about WMD's.

Bush stole 2 elections.

Powell admits he knowingly lied about WMD's.

Approaching 3,000 dead American soldiers.

9 billion a week of our taxpayer money...Bush said Iraq oil would pay for it all.

Bush was in charge of keeping 3,000 people safe in WTC towers. Yes, Bush was president!!! Not Clinton.

West Point cadets speak out against Iraq war.

And I didn't cut/paste this info like you did.

Bush lied about medicare/medicaid.

Lied about social security crisis (what? no more crisis???)

Only leader in recorded history to cut taxed during a war...and for the 1% rich who don't need it.

Highest deficits ever.

Gas more than doubled, and is rising for the oil man president.

HCOCDR: I am concerned about AMERICA!!!! Not Iraq.

HCOCDR,
Thank you for serving our country. Even though you were there personally, you will be attacked by the liberals on this board who either won't believe you and/or they will point to all the bad news and, like the main media outlets, will ignore the good news that you cite.

Bluebear 2,
I am not a troll. If you posted on a conservative blog, I would not be calling you a troll. I am trying to give you information that you will not read or believe because you are too wrapped up in your hatred of Pres.Bush and his people. Your hatred drives you too far from reason. First, you need to get rid of your hate, otherwise it will burn you up. Second, you need to think with your logic instead of your emotions.

Robert,
Yes, Pres.Bush did win the election. The winning margin was over 3 million votes. The close presidential races of 1960 and 2000 were far closer than that. You can think what you want about the 2000 election, but the 2004 election was won by too great of a margin for any reasonable person to claim fraud. You too, are not reasonable because your hate drives you too far from reason, in my opinion.

Topic:
This new information on a information campaign against Al-Zarqawi is not a surprise. Why not? Propaganda campaigns are done in all wars. It's a way of defeating the terrorist propaganda and spreading the news of how Al-Zarqawi and other terrorists are hurting Iraq. Many times when they attack US and Iraq troops, they also kill innocent civilians nearby. When US troops were giving candy to Iraqi children, they were attacked by terrorists and some children were killed. You would think that the terrorists would have waited until the children were out of the way, but no. They didn't care about the children of their own country. Terrorists attacks on water treatment and electricity plants and oil pipelines only hurt people in their own country. But they don't care. They want the US to be blamed for it.

If the experienced survey group said that the trailers were not labs and that information was not passed on to the White House, then somebody at the Pentagon is to blame. If you are supposed to tell me something important, but you never do, then how can I act on it?

However, I have a hard time believing that Saddam Hussein's army was working on weather ballons. C'mon! With all the sinister things they did over the decades like gassing the Kurds with WMD, torturing people who speak out against Saddam, allowing Saddam's son Uday to rape a different 14-year-old girl each month from different schools in Baghdad, cutting the hands and tounges off of men, killing thousands of people and boxing up their bodies in warehouses in south Iraq so that they are considered missing, etc. etc. Are we supposed to believe that they were playing with weather balloons? Scheez.

Tell me you think that the old days of Iraq were good. I personally think that the WMD's were trucked to Syria and/or Iran before the invasion.

Fact: Al-Zarqawi has been disowned by his own family in Jordan. So even they realized that his actions are horrible and they want nothing to do with him.

Fact: The conditions for the daily life in Iraq are getting better. Children can play in the streets in most towns, people can go to market and work in most towns. The terrorists who killed the employees of an appliance store were not thinking of how it would affect the USA's policy toward Iraq, they were simply killing those people trying to make a living in the new Iraq by supressing those involved in it.

Fact: The information campaign (call it propaganda if you want) must have been effective. Read the last paragraph on page 2 of that Wash.Post story (linked in the Al-Zarqawi section) for details on what they elude to earlier in the story. Al-Zarqawi has to constantly watch his back and only be with those he absolutely trusts with that big bounty on his head!

Fact: Terrorists in the region are being captured and killed in large numbers. Two big guys were killed yesterday. So the war will continue until they are all dead or rendered useless.

Fact: I have a long list of Keith Oberman's "journalism" and his continued smear propaganda of his own against Republicans and Pres.Bush. Oberman is a jerk with a TV audience so he thinks that he is important. His audience is smaller than FNC, by the way.

Sure there is a segment of Iraqis who do not like the occupation of their country. Those people thank the US for ridding them of Saddam, but they think that now they can do the rest without help. Just like our discussions here betweeen liberals and conservatives, they have their own divisions of opinion in Iraq. Some think the US needs to stay and some think the US needs to leave. Then some even think, like you, that the US should not have interfered with Iraq.

I would like nothing better than for the Iraqi army to finish taking over all the missions against terrorists so that our troops can come home. The Iraqi army are taking the lead more and more often as the weeks go on. Our troops are working night and day to train them and it's working.

But I know that you people here will believe what you want to believe, even if there is no logic to it. You probably believe that Oswald did not act alone in killing Pres.Kennedy, that Gennifer Flowers and Juanita Brodderick are liars in their accusations againt Pres.Clinton, that the US astronauts never actually landed on the moon, and that there was no voter fraud in the 1960 presidential election. Go for it.

Have a nice day!

Joan,
Wow! What incredible greed! He sits in his ivory tower looking down on us and he does not care one wit! I don't normally engage in class envy, but $400 million plus those perks, and it's 5 times more than Chevron CEO gets, scheez!

I worked for Exxon Company USA at a company owned station as a teenager before I joined the military. But lately I have been avoiding Exxon stations due to where they get their oil from (Middle East) and leading the high prices. This is just one more reason to not buy from Exxon. I hear that the BP company gets a lot of oil from Gulf drilling and South America, instead of the Middle East. A friend of mine used to work on a platform in the Gulf that is owned by BP.

So buy from Citgo and BP, but not Exxon/Mobile and Texaco.

Cheers!

HCOCDR & Mike J:

Retired General On All 3 Morning Shows, Calling for Ouster Of Rumsfeld

I don't believe HCOCDR was in the military.

Mike J: WOW! We agree on something! Buy gas from Citgo. Agreed!

HCODOR,

1) Your gonna have to prove those weapons existed and were stored way back when the inspectors were there. Telling us they exist now is silly. And BTW, "Mass" does matter.

2) While I'm happy for the benefits you mention the Iraqi's have "enjoyed" since the U.S. invasion, the fact remains that the invasion has always been illegal and the justifications for it false. We have no business being there.

Mike J #22

I don't believe I have ever called you a troll. You say you are trying to educate me, well I also am trying to educate you.

So what do you think about Bush and company using Sadam's terrorist group to incite a war with Iran?

What do you think about our president lying to us to better his personal agenda at our expense?

You accuse me of hate - I do not hate anyone! I do not tolerate people lying to me.

I do not tolerate people destroying the country I love.

Of course I did say: "It will be interesting to see how the trolls try to spin this one."

If the shoe fits wear it?

Had you gone to my link at #7 you would see that the terrorists Busco is currently using are the same peolpe who were "torturing people who speak out against Saddam, allowing Saddam's son Uday to rape a different 14-year-old girl each month from different schools in Baghdad, cutting the hands and tounges off of men, killing thousands of people and boxing up their bodies in warehouses in south Iraq so that they are considered missing, etc. etc." Quote from your post #22

Big Dan,

It's nice that you and I can agree on the gas companies.

As for the generals, there are about 9000 retired generals in the USA now. Of those about 5 have spoken out againts the SECDEF. The motivation may be interesting to find out what it is. But it's a small percentage of the total number of current retired generals.

Why do you not believe that HCOCDR was in the military? Ok, he could have been there with a civilian contractor company, but if he says that he was there when the IED with sarin gas was used, then we should believe him unless you have proof that he was not. I met a guy at a tire store here who had worked in Iraq as a food supplier to US troops. I still thanked him for serving our country by serving our troops in a dangerous place.

ex-Sec. State Albright compared Saddam Hussein to Hitler back in 1997 saying he was just as dangerous. Pres.Clinton also believed that Hussein was dangerous and predicted back in 1998 Hussein would get WMD's.

Cheers!

#22
My goodness, Mike, there are so many mixed-up mis-statements in this post of yours I frankly just don't have the time or energy to address them. I'll just say one thing:
You guys who post here from the right are fond of saying that we are full of hate. I know it's a ploy to get our hackles up, because if you took the time to peruse the comments from regulars on this site you would know it to be untrue.
This time one of the "you guys are full of hate" remarks was directed at Robert (RLM)...laughably untrue! His comments have long been consistently intelligent, measured and reasonable.
BlueBear 2, I'm just not AS familiar with your posts as I am with Robert's or I would have defended you, too!!
Re #23, however, I certainly agree with you there, Mike! This kind of bloated greed is truly obscene.
Yes, buy from Hess or Citgo & not from Exxon/Mobil!

There you go, if we can agree on that, there's hope.

BlueBear 2,

Well, there you go. No, I was not saying that you had called me a troll. Yes, I was responding to what you re-posted in #29. But then you go back down the dark path with your shoe comment. Again, I don't say those things about other people. I use logic and reason, not childish adjectives.

Ok, I looked at your RawStory link. Didn't read it all when I realized where it is. What is this RawStory anyway? The liberal version of Drudge Report? I assume that you don't believe Drudge, so why should I believe RawStory?

Point me to a MSM article and I'll read every word. Yes, I think that the MSM is just as liberal as you guys here are, but they have some pretense of fairness.

I think I can predict what else you'll say about news sources...... from what I've seen here anyway.

BTW, everybody make sure you save your comments before you Preview in case you need to go Back and correct because it might be empty. I've been doing that and I've had to restore my comments in the box three times today. (so far)

Cheers!

Perhaps if 1200 Intelligence people had not been ordered to find WMD at the beginning instead of watching for growing insurgency Iraq could have been stabilized. This info from someone who was there and still is. Bush's face saving was the priority for the military instead of securing the country.

And could one of you Bush supporters answer this,
why are 120,000 registered Young Republicans in college NOT signing up to support Bush's freeing Iraq? Not one of these people put their bodies where their mouth is?
So easy to send other people's children off to war.

Liberal media my donkey ! Regulations were dropped shortly into Bush's regime that kept one person from owning tv, radio and print. Check it out who owns what and support your claim that the media is liberal. Compare the contributors to Bush with the owners of the media.

We need several political parties like Canada has so that we are NOT stuck with dumb and dumber.

AND WE WANT ONE PERSON ONE VOTE NO MORE ELECTORAL COLLEGE. PAPER BALLETS WITH CARBONS. SO THAT IF THERE IS A RECOUNT WE CAN BRING OUR CARBONS IN TO JUSTIFY THE COUNT.

Great Article by Greg Palast - a "must read"

"Desert Rats Leave The Sinking Ship
Why Rumsfeld Should Not Resign"

Article is here.

Mike J

From their website:
"At the core, our goal is to unearth and spotlight stories underplayed by the popular press, in particular those which highlight betterment and open people’s eyes to injustice throughout the world."

"The Raw Story, founded in February, 2004 has grown at a remarkable pace, and is referenced regularly by major bloggers and the press. Raw Story's reporting has been referenced by the New York Times, the Guardian, L.A. Weekly, the New York Post, the Toronto Star, The Hill, Roll Call, The Advocate and Hustler. Stories have often been linked from Daily Kos, Atrios, Buzzflash and Cursor. We now average 400,000 unique visitors daily, and run as high as 540,000 on strong-traffic days."

Regarding the children playing in the street.

HCOCDOR - This is the 5th paragraph in the first article you linked:

"However, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld said the results were from a field test, which can be imperfect, and said more analysis was needed. If confirmed, it would be the first finding of a banned weapon upon which the United States based its case for war."

Also, these were IED's, meaning that the insurgents were (most likely) responsible for them. I also want to point out that enriched uranium is not suitible for a nuclear bomb or even a "dirty bomb", as explained by this BBC article on the same subject.

You may be right on some of the other stuff found, but I tend to think of it as not being credible since this is exactly what the administration said we would find, so why aren't they constantly reminding us that they found exactly what they said they would find?

I think our main point here is that the administration received bad intelligence & apparently just made some stuff up in the buildup to the war. I don't doubt Saddam had some weapons, but I think everyone in the international community agrees that the sanctions were working.

Is it better that Saddam is gone now? Probably. Woud America be better off in this current situation in Iran had we not invaded Iraq? Hell yes.

Lee Harvey Oswald absolutely did not act alone in killing John F. Kennedy. One glance at the Zapruder film conclusively shows JFK's head being blown open by a shot from a 2 o'clock position relative to the motorcade. Oswald, at that moment, was at a 6 o'clock position. Bullets do not change course in mid-air, unless the laws of Newtonian physics have been repealed.

Mike, before you use that as an example of how liberals are conspiracy theorists, you ought to look at the record. Since the Warren Commission report in 1964, there has not been a single poll (not one) where a majority agreed with it. There might be a difference of opinion about who really did arrange Kennedy's murder, but there has never been even a narrow consensus that Oswald acted alone.

Because he didn't. You're on the wrong side of that one, and the sad fact is you think you're in the majority. You aren't.

And Bush didn't win the 2004 election, either. The only reason most Americans don't realize that is the mainstream media's blanket of censorship. If you can look at the recent tests failed by Diebold, E.S.&S. and Sequoia and not realize how easy it was for millions of votes to be flipped nationwide, then no amount of rational argument (what you pathetically refer to as hate) will win you over.

Larry Johnson former Deputy Director of State Departments Office of Counter Terriorism. A registered Republican, voted for Bush, and contributed to 2000 campaign.

In February 2004 he said, by April of last year insiders were grumbling about the pressure to find WMD. Pressured by senior officials of the DOD.

Many analysts are in fear of retailiation if they come forward and tell what they know. We know that most of the reasons we were given for going to war were wrong. The Bush administration created a lie.

From : A PRETEXT FOR WAR BY James Bamford 2004

Comment #14, HCOCDR gets his statistics from, of all people, Ken Timmerman, who I've been bashing on this site for over a year.

Read about HCOCDR's "neo-con extrordinaire" Ken Timmerman, who has already been paraded on CNN during "Iran drumbeat I"...(we're on Iran drumbeat II now)...

I can post hundreds of articles discrediting Ken Timmerman, but here's just one...

...nice "disinformation" try, HCOCDR...doesn't work here...go to Rush Limbaugh dot com, please....

And how about the audacity of CNN parading Ken Timmerman on their airwaves during "Iran Drumbeat I", about a year ago, and not disclosing Ken Timmerman's background?????????

It's our duty on this blog, to point out mindless wrongwing disinformation. If we don't, this blog will turn into CNN.

Comment #31, Mike J: Yes, BUT...never in history has a retired general, let alone SIX, spoken out DURING WARTIME. That is the difference. I got that one from PBS. You got yours from a quote by Rumsfeld himself. I don't call that an "unbiased" comment, if it's by the guy being accused and asked to step down. It is unprecedented in American history, that 6 retired generals have called out, during wartime, for the secretary to step down.

This Guy, Ken Timmerman is a real faker modeled after Karls own (black) heart

Cannonfire does a short and sweet job of this whole thing here and here

BD,

I have in the military long enough to know one thing and that is generals are the closest thing to royalty in this country at least in their minds and with the Westly Clark's and McCaffery's running around they see their speeking engagements fees going up by putting down someone they did not like in the first place. The SOD must have put them in their place. I chose to hear from men like Tommy Franks, and Russell Honore most of those guys were in charge of supplies and things like that, not commanders of units.

Here are some of the things our unit does in Iraq.

http://www.278acr.com/metadot/index.pl?id=2231

i gotta say, im pretty happy lately going around and seeing a lot of liberals on these blogs finally wake up to the lies of 9/11.(i dont expect many from the right to do any research into 9/11) i have been at this for about 2 years now myself trying to get people to do more research into 9/11 for their own good, and it seems like a lot of you are now.(Greg Palast not included).

Robert Mills, as soon as his kind start to say "conspiracy theorist" it means 1 of 2 things:he has no argument, or he is afraid.

Big Dan #43

For every retired general the MSM finds against the war, they could find 2 that are for the war if they tried to, but they don't want to. I don't have the contacts that the press does, but like hcocdr mentioned retired Army Gen.Tommy Franks, there is also retired AirForce general & previous Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Gen.Richard Meyers, retired AirForce Gen. Thomas Macenerey (sp?), retired Army Col.David Hunt, retired Gen.Paul Vallery, and others.

One of your retired generals has had conflicting statements from this year and last year. I am not able to find it now, but the comments are there. I get one window on my PDA!

They should have spoken out while they were serving. If you think that your commanding officer is making a mistake, then it is YOUR DUTY to point out, respectfuly, where you think he's wrong. I did that to my senior enlisted superiors, so if I can, then they could have too. Are you going to say that an O-7 (one-star general) or above can not do what I as an E-5 did?

Speaking out like the have in a time of war is disrespectful.

Oh, & I watched your INN video 2 nights ago. I forwarded past some of the B.S. stuff in the middle, then watched the 9-11 conspiracy interview. Wow, what a bunch of wackos! I'm sorry I wasted my time on that INN, but I watched it out of fairness in my discussions with you. If that's where you are getting your "news" from, then scheez, you're further left than most of California. INN has to internet stream from a room in New York city because no real broadcast would take them seriously, even if they were interviewed by one CNN reporter on the entertainment section (not hard news).

Roger must think it incredible that I believe Congressional Democrats will try to impeach Pres.Bush as revenge for Pres.Clinton.

Well, I think it incredible that reasoned people (supposedly) would think that US government officials would destroy the WTC & kill 3000 people.

So again, they are not reasonable. Their hate drives then too far from reason.

Have a nice night!

poor Mike. ignorance is bliss huh Mike? hows it feel being spoonfed your views like a sheep?

#50, since you put no name here because you have to courage, I will simply say this.

How does it feel to be a wacko ultra-leftist conspiracy-minded watching-over-your-shoulder-for-black-helicopters boogeyman-seeking fool?

The only ignorant thing here is sheeple like you who can't reason past simple concepts because you fill your mind with hate. YOUR hate drives you too far from reason.

Get a life! And a straightjacket while your at it!

im a card carrying republican.(who is pissed at the current state of my party,like any REAL republican that pays attention) how does it feel to believe the governments "official" conspiracy theory when the facts blast it to hell? you sir are a sheep. stay with the flock and stay away from adult conversations.oh wait Mike, CNN and FOx tells you that 9/11 was done by 19 arabs with box cutters? IT MUST BE TRUE!!!!!!! did CNN tell you why WTC7 fell? did CNN tell you about the wargames on 9/11? did Fox tell you about the Bin Laden denial? oh they didnt? then i guess it didnt happen right? i guess WTC7 is still standing today huh sheep-boy?

watch out Mike! Zarqawi and the other "islamofascists" are gonna get ya! be afraid Mike, your government wants you to be very afraid! you gullible little bitch.......

.,,. AGAIN, no name!

I'm on my PDA, typing is harder.

You are nothing more than a drive-by idiot. I doubt you're Republican.

Most people do believe the official attack report. You don't have to. Believe your wacko conspiracy theory.

.... Oh & by the way....
If, by chance, you actually are registered Republican, switch to the Democrats. You will be much more comfortable at home w/ the Bush-haters & conspiracy theorists who vote on emotion, instead of logical thought.

Have a nice day!

let me let this sink in for a second.l the sheep Mike actually said "Most people do believe the official attack report. You don't have to. Believe your wacko conspiracy theory."BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHA, you gullible bastard you, BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.i guess if CNN or Fox doesnt report something, it didnt happen right? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, you gullible sheep kill me.HAHAHAHAHAHA

hey Mike, can you tell me who sits on the board of directors of The Carlyle Group? Bushs daddy and who else? i'll give you a hint, hes literally related to Osama Bin Laden.look it up, its a solid fact that you cant ignore.well, im sure your ignorant ass can ignore it, but most people who think for themselves cant.

hey Mike, can you explain to me what brought down WTC7? your beloved media and government didnt even try, maybe you can help?

hey Mike, guess what kind of wargames were staged the EXACT day of 9/11? guess moron.

Removal of steel. In false-flag operations, it’s customary for authorities to remove evidence (rather than preserving it for extensive inspections). In early January 2002, Fire Engineering magazine said: “We are literally treating the steel removed from the site like garbage, not like crucial fire scene evidence…. The destruction and removal of evidence must stop immediately.” (Fire Engineering, January 2002)

WTC Security. Why has it not often been mentioned that the President’s brother, Marvin Bush, and his cousin, Wirt Walker III, were connected to the company responsible for the security of United Airlines, Logan Airport (where Flight 77 was hijacked) and the WTC? Marvin was one of the directors of Securacom, and Wirt was CEO from 1999 to January 2002. One would think, as Griffin says, that these details would have made the evening news – or The 9-11 Commission Report.

Foreknowledge of the collapse. Mayor Rudy Giulani, talking on ABC News about setting up a temporary command center at 75 Barkley Street, said:

“We were operating out of there when we were told that the World Trade Center was gonna collapse, and it did collapse before we could get out of the building.” (for Giuliani’s complete statement, see “Who told Giuliani the WTC Was Going to Collapse on 9-11” (http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/wtc_giuliani.html. It can be heard at www.wireonfire.com/donpaul.

Griffin says, “This is an amazing statement. Prior to 9-11, fire had never brought down a steel-frame high-rise. The firemen who reached the 78th floor of the south tower certainly did not believe it was going to collapse. Even the 9-11 Commission has said that to its knowledge, “none of the [fire] chiefs present believed that a total collapse of either tower was possible.” (The 9-11 Commission Report, p. 302). So why in the world would anyone have told Giuliani that at least one of the towers was about to collapse?”

And who could have known?
(care to explain Mike? moron.)

In an earlier book (The 9/11 Commission Report: Omissions and Distortions), he suggests some problems with the official conspiracy theory here too. For instance, while the 9/11 Commission Report characterized Mohamed Atta, who they called the ringleader, as “fanatically” religious, some journalists found that he loved cocaine, alcohol, gambling, pork, and lap dances. A Wall Street Journal editorial found that not only Atta but several of the other alleged hijackers also indulged such tastes in Las Vegas (“Terrorist Stag Parties,” WSJ, October 10, 2001). The 9/11 Commission ignored these reports, and professed to have no idea why these men met in Las Vegas – several times (9/11 Commission Report, p. 248). Also, the government claimed to identify Atta from two bags that failed to get loaded onto Flight 11, which contained “flight simulations manuals for Boeing airplanes, a copy of the Koran, a religious cassette tape, a note to other hijackers about mental preparation, and Atta’s will, passport, and international driver’s license. But why would Atta have intended to take such things on a plane he expected to be totally destroyed?” Griffin quotes Seymour Hersh, who wrote in the New Yorker that a former high-level intelligence official told him “Whatever trail was left was left deliberately — for the FBI to chase.” (Griffin, 9-11 Commission, p. 21)

Furthermore, although we are told that four or five of the alleged hijackers were on each of the four flights, the flight manifests that have been released have no Arab names on them. Also, Griffin noted that six of the nineteen men officially identified as the suicide hijackers reportedly showed up alive after 9-11: Waleed al-Shehri, Ahmed al-Name, Saeed al-Ghamdi, Mohand al-Shehri, Salem al-Hazmi and Abdulaziz al-Omari (Griffin, p. 19)

And in his new, unpublished, book, Griffin brings in another odd incident: the suppression of oral histories.

While the Fire Department of New York recorded hundreds of interviews in 2001, the City of New York, amazingly, suppressed them. Early in 2002, the New York Times requested copies under the freedom of information act, but Mayor Michael Bloomberg’s administration refused. Finally, several families of 9/11 victims joined the Times in filing suit. After a long process, the New York Court of Appeals finally ordered the release of most — but not all — records on August 12,2005.

As David Griffin reports, “Once the content of these testimonies is examined, it is easy to see why persons concerned to protect the official story about 9/11 would try to keep them hidden.” Here are some of those statements:

“There was just an explosion [in the south tower]. It seemed like on television when they blow up these buildings. It seemed like it was going all the way around like a belt, all these explosions.” – Firefighter Richard Banaciski

“I saw a flash flash flash at the lower level of the building. You know like when they demolish a building?” – Assistant Fire Commissioner Stephen Gregory

Wall Street Journal reporter John Bussey, describing his observation of the collapse of the south tower from the ninth floor of the WSJ office building, said: “I … looked up out of the office window to see what seemed like perfectly synchronized explosions coming from each floor…. One after the other, from top to bottom, with a fraction of a second between, the floors blew to pieces.” (John Bussey, “Eye of the Storm: One Journey Through Desperation and Chaos,” WSJ, Sept 12, 2001)

Another Wall Street Journal reporter said that after seeing what appeared to be “individual floors, one after the other exploding outward,” he thought: “My God, they’re going to bring the building down. And they, whoever they are, HAD SET CHARGES…. I saw the explosions.” (Alicia Shepard, Cathy Trost, and Newseum, Running Toward Danger: Stories Behind the Breaking News on 9/11, Foreword by Tom Brokaw (Lanham, MD: Rowman & Littlefield, 2002, p. 87)

A similar perception was reported by Beth Fertig of WNYC Radio, who said: “It just descended like a timed explosion — like when they are deliberately bringing a building down…. It was coming down so perfectly that in one part of my brain I was thinking, ‘They got everyone out, and they’re bringing the building down because they have to.’
(Quoted in Judith Sylvester and Suzanne Huffman, Women Journalists of Ground Zero (Lanham: Rowman & Littlefield, 2002), p. 19.

“Pops” – a term often used to describe the sound of professionally-set charges in controlled demotions of buildings – were described by many eyewitnesses in the oral histories obtained after August 12, 2005:

“As we are looking up at the [south tower],” said firefighter Joseph Meola, “it looked like the building was blowing out on all four sides. We actually heard the pops. Didn’t realize it was the falling – you know, you heard the pops of the building. You thought it was just blowing out.” (Oral history of Joseph Meola, 5)

“Pops” were also reported by paramedic Daniel Rivera:

Q. How did you know that it [the south tower] was coming down?

A. That noise. It was noise.

Q. What did you hear? What did you see?

A. It was a frigging noise. At first I thought it was – do you ever see professional demolition where they set the charges on certain floors and then you hear “pop, pop, pop, pop, pop’? That’s exactly what – because I thought it was that. When I heard that frigging noise, that’s when I saw the building coming down.” (Oral history of Daniel Rivera, 9)

Another common feature of controlled demolitions is that people who are properly situated may see flashes when the explosives go off. Assistant Commissioner Stephen Gregory said: “I thought … before … No. 2 came down, that I saw low-level flashes…. Lieutenant Evangelista … asked me if I saw low-level flashes in front of the building, and I agreed with because I … saw a flash flash flash … at the lower level of the building. You know like when they demolish a building, how when they blow up a building, when it falls down? That’s what I thought I saw. (Oral history of Stephen Gregory, 14-16)

Battalion Chief Dominick DeRubbio, speaking of the collapse of the south tower, said: “It was weird how it started to come down. It looked like it was a timed explosion.” (Oral history of Dominick DeRuibbio, 5)

If firemen, who have experience with the sights, sounds and procedures of buildings felled by controlled demolitions, saw and heard such explosions on 9-11, why has this not been discussed more widely? Griffin reports that “at least part of the reason may be suggested by a statement made by Auxiliary Lieutenant Fireman Paul Isaac. Having said that “there were definitely bombs in those buildings,” Isaac added that “many other firemen know there were bombs in the buildings, but they’re afraid for their jobs to admit it because the ‘higher-ups’ forbid discussion of this fact.” (Randy Lavello, “Bombs in the Building,” Prison Planet.com (www.prisonplanet.com/analysis_lavello_050503_bombs.html)
(care to explain Mike? moron.)

http://www.informationcl...se.info/article12195.htm

http://www.tokyo.to/255/911Conspiracy/

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(Mike is smarter than the former German Defense Minister right? right????)
Former German Minister Says Building 7 Used To Run 9/11 Attack
Guide the planes in, then destroy the crime scene

Paul Joseph Watson & Alex Jones/Prison Planet.com April 21 2006

Former Helmut Schmidt cabinet member, 25-year German Parliamentarian and global intelligence expert Andreas Von Bülow says that the 9/11 attack was run by the highest levels of the US intelligence apparatus using WTC Building 7 as a command bunker which was later demolished in order to destroy the crime scene.

Speaking to The Alex Jones Show on the GCN Radio Network, Von Bülow said that "the official story is so wrong, it must be an inside job."

Von Bülow discussed the special software programs that allow the CIA to track suspicious stock market movements in real time. Record put options placed on United and American Airlines in the week before 9/11, a speculation that the stock would crash, clearly indicated inside foreknowledge of the impending attack.

"If the stock market has very strange movements immediately they take care of this and they had a lot of tapes and the lawyers told the people destroy these tapes."

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"The Bush administration is in a deep defensive [mode] and probably they would like to come out with a new offensive," said Von Bülow as he considered whether a new staged false flag terror attack could be launched to further an interventionist agenda.

"I would hope that one 'new Pearl Harbor' is enough," said Von Bülow, "but I cannot be sure."

Von Bülow commented on the disputed identities of the named hijackers.

"The names of these nineteen [hijackers] never came up in the official passenger list, until now there's no proof they were on the planes."

Von Bülow also pointed out how the alleged hijacker's flight instructors told investigators that they couldn't even fly Cessna's, never mind complex large commercial airliners.

Von Bülow also touched upon the implausible collapse of the buildings.

"The towers came down in the velocity of free fall which is totally impossible, they fall down in 8, 9, or 10 seconds, the pancake theory is ridiculous," he said.

Von Bülow also highlighted the fact that there were 67 successful intercepts of errant aircraft in the year of 2001 before 9/11 and yet four planes were allowed to veer wildly off course without any being intercepted on that one day.

Rudolph Giuliani opened a $13 million emergency Command Center (pictured) on the 23rd floor of World Trade Center Building 7 in June 1999 in part to respond to and manage terrorist attacks.

Von Bülow referenced the command bunker in Building 7, calling it the "optimal place" to run the attacks using remote control technology to guide the planes in and then destroying the crime scene by imploding the building.

"There were two procedures, one was flying in the aircraft the second was the explosions," he said.

When asked precisely which parties carried out the attack Von Bülow said it must have been a "very small group" within the CIA with the help of Saudi Arabian and Pakistani secret service intelligence.

Von Bülow outlined his view that one reason for the execution of 9/11 was to provide the justification for US military bases in the near and Middle East to be built in anticipation for a future confrontation with China, whom the Neo-Cons believe have grown too powerful and need to have their geopolitical wings clipped.

Click here to listen to Von Bülow's interview.

http://www.prisonplanet....2006/210406runattack.htm

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