READER COMMENTS ON
"DEMOCRACY CRUMBLING: New Electronic Voter Registration Database Rejects 43% of New Los Angeles Voter Applications! 26% Rejected State-Wide in California!"
(50 Responses so far...)
COMMENT #1 [Permalink]
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spine
said on 3/29/2006 @ 12:13 pm PT...
"The rejections occur, amongst other reasons, due to failures of exact matching between voter applications and the state's motor vehicle registration (DMV) database"
So, since Diebold wrote the software for this system, does that bode ill for Democratic registrations? In other words, if someone registers as a Democrat, will the software determine that the registration is invalid? I would like to see the registrations that have been rejected. Assuming that all of the person's info matches the dmv record, and the person is still rejected, what percentage of the rejections were attempting to register Democrat?
COMMENT #2 [Permalink]
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Leaving_us
said on 3/29/2006 @ 12:32 pm PT...
This sounds like Ohio all over again. Remember , before the 2004 election, in Ohio, suddenly tens of thousands of voters were pull off of the roles.
Expect the same strategy in California in 2006.
1) A combination of voter supression and creative programing
2) One "working diebold machine" in democratic areas?
This is why we have the Diebold certification rammed down our @##!!
COMMENT #3 [Permalink]
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Savantster
said on 3/29/2006 @ 12:42 pm PT...
So.. let's see.. you have to be in the DMV database.. and I'm guessing the way to do that is to PAY FOR A DRIVER'S LISCENSE.. or PAY FOR AN ID?.. Uh..
Didn't they just over-turn a law in Georgia that required a photo ID for voting? so that if you are going against a "paid to be on" database, you're doing the same thing? The equivalant of a Poll Tax?
COMMENT #4 [Permalink]
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calipendence
said on 3/29/2006 @ 1:23 pm PT...
I'm doing phone banking for Busby tonight in 50th District election. Others doing the same might want to be able to help voters by having the following web site handy to help them locate where they are supposed to vote, and ask for a provisional ballot when they get there, if they aren't "registered". We NEED to win this election!
http://www2.sdcounty.ca....v/Eng/Epolling_query.asp
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Floridiot
said on 3/29/2006 @ 1:26 pm PT...
You know its going to supress the minority vote
Just how many Martinez, Gonzales, White, Washington, etc, with the same first names, kinda reminds me of Choicepoint ? circa 2000 in Florida and Georgia
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Doug
said on 3/29/2006 @ 2:28 pm PT...
What does it take for the mainstream to really cover this, Good lord these cheating bastards arent even discrete.
COMMENT #7 [Permalink]
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big dan
said on 3/29/2006 @ 2:36 pm PT...
OK, people have got to take to the streets...it's as simple as that...
...OR...
stop joining the military and stop paying taxes
COMMENT #8 [Permalink]
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Brian Oddi
said on 3/29/2006 @ 4:53 pm PT...
#7 you have the right idea. But I would like to modify it a bit:
Take to the streets AND stop joining the military AND stop paying taxings.
And it couldn't hurt to own a hand gun or hunting rifle,
You never know when you'll need it to defend yourself FROM your Government.
COMMENT #9 [Permalink]
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gtash
said on 3/29/2006 @ 5:11 pm PT...
It seems to me that the general description of excuses for name refusal and de-listing would hurt anybody, Republican or Democrat. The question I have is whether those already de-listed represent a reasonable proportion of each party in the districts where they are trying to register. If you had a lot of Dems de-listed disproportionate to the district's normal political demographic, big red flags ought to go up. If it is just routine "stupid computer" problems that we all might have, I would be less inclined to declare war on these companies. I would be increasingly inclined to say they are resembling George Bush: breathtakingly incompetent.
COMMENT #10 [Permalink]
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Michael John Keenan
said on 3/29/2006 @ 5:27 pm PT...
http://www.ss.ca.gov/elections/touchscreen.htm
Has anybody reviewed the staff reports of our last Secretary of State and the attachments on the above link?
Report on March 2, 2004 Statewide Primary Election. Scroll down until Diebold shows up.
I plan on running a parallel election most definately against David Dreier this November based on the Mississippi model. I no longer have any trust in the system.
I am Citizen Michael John Keenan
COMMENT #11 [Permalink]
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Peg C
said on 3/29/2006 @ 6:19 pm PT...
Joe Stalin would be proud. Not only have our abductors learned to steal elections seamlessly, they can now dienfranchise whole segments of the population at will - WITHOUT REPERCUSSIONS. The coup would appear to be a fait accompli.
COMMENT #12 [Permalink]
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Senator Debra Bowen
said on 3/29/2006 @ 6:25 pm PT...
Let's start with "breathtakingly incompetent."
A comment from Joe Katzman over at Winds of Change sums up my thoughts fairly well:
"... whatever the rate of registration fraud is, 40%+ over LA County is pretty unlikely. And the nature of the errors being described adds fuel to that belief.
Which means this is a system that needs to get a fix so it works with human realities, not against them (as so many computerized systems do). More to the point, voting is sufficiently important that using actual elections as beta tests is a pretty stunningly stupid idea. Yet this appears to be the M.O.
Liberal or conservative, I think we can all agree that this is pretty poor performance."
The issues surrounding voter disenfranchisment under the new statewide database scheme were raised in a December 5, 2005 letter from the National Assocation of Latino Elected and Appointed Officials and the Asian Pacific American Legal Center.
The response from staff for the SOS, dated February 24, 2006, was that the issues would be reviewed after the June 6 primary.
Democracy can't wait that long!
COMMENT #13 [Permalink]
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SoulLight
said on 3/29/2006 @ 6:39 pm PT...
If they have to be entered into the motor vehicle Registration to be able to vote, it's an unconstitutional poll tax. If they are subjecting some people to this chgeck and not others, it's an unconstitutional poll test and a violation of equal protection under the law. Either way, this is clearly unconstiutional. It's deisgned ot disenfranchise poor people, But this SC won't are. The bottom line is, if it's proven they are rigging system, what can we do? We can't do anything and adhere to democracy. But Democracy will already be dead. So what do we do?
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Mike in Fla.
said on 3/29/2006 @ 6:45 pm PT...
The saddest thing to me about rigging elections is that people lose faith in government, and no longer think of it as legit. It's just part of the royal corporate landscape in the culture of corruption. When I read the Declaration of Independence, it makes me wonder if the people who founded this country might say it is time to start again. Many of their complaints against the abusive King of England now fit the executive branch of the Republican Party.
COMMENT #15 [Permalink]
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spine
said on 3/29/2006 @ 7:01 pm PT...
#13:
Of couse something can be done and still adhere to democracy. Bring a lawsuit and sue. Ask for an immediate injunction to stop this program. Meanwhile, the previous method of registering voters can be used until the court case is settled.
COMMENT #16 [Permalink]
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KestrelBrighteyes
said on 3/29/2006 @ 7:17 pm PT...
Mike in FLA. - re: #14 - Exactly. It's so hard NOT to be discouraged by everything that happens. The natural human instinct is to say "Why bother?"
I come here, to this blog, to the kindred spirits that post here, quite often for courage in continuing this fight. I get sooo tired of being angry all of the time - it's just not good for a person to deal with so much negativity for so long, it's against our nature. Sometimes I want sooo badly to go back to my simple life, where the major decisions are what to fix for supper, what to plant, and how to work the family's schedule and budget around everything that needs to be done while allowing time for play and relaxation.
Sometimes I wish so badly that I didn't think so much - that I didn't care so much.
Then I come here and read that someone else has had their eyes opened - someone who might actually be able to do something about it, if only they will - and I get my second wind.
We have to keep focusing our energy forward, and encouraging others at every turn.
The fact that the emperor is "buck nekkid" is being accepted by more and more people - we ARE in the MAJORITY now.
Feels kinda weird sometimes - but I gotta tell ya - it is SO COOL!!!
COMMENT #17 [Permalink]
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Bluebear2
said on 3/29/2006 @ 7:35 pm PT...
gtash #9
I think Savantster #3 shows how it would disenfranchise a portion of the population more than others when it comes to the cost of having a driver's liscense or ID.
But the problem here has to do with the information not matching exactly. Such as the registration having a middle initial while the ID has the whole middle name. In that sense it probably is evenly distributed.
Not only is the verification system a problem, but having to have an ID or liscense is an even bigger problem.
COMMENT #18 [Permalink]
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Bluebear2
said on 3/29/2006 @ 7:46 pm PT...
Brad & SenatorDebra Bowen -
Today on my drive home Christine Craft on KSAC1240AM
ran this story and unlike the MSM attributed the information to BradBlog and read portions of your report and Debra's letter to McPherson.
Senator Bowen - it was good to hear you talk on the subject with Christine. I extend my personal thanks you for all you are doing for us here in Ca. If you check back here I have a question - you mentioned something about absentee voters caught in this but I didn't catch the connection. I'm concerned since I vote absentee, but don't know if my info matches. I may well be a victim of the middle name/initial failure.
COMMENT #19 [Permalink]
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GWN
said on 3/29/2006 @ 7:53 pm PT...
We (Canada) have a question on our Income Tax form asking us if we wish to provide our name, address and date of birth to Elections Canada for the National Register of Electors. Do you have that also on your tax forms?
COMMENT #20 [Permalink]
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Bluebear2
said on 3/29/2006 @ 7:59 pm PT...
KestrelBrighteyes #16
I know that feeling too. Early last November I got in a real funk. Nothing seemed to be changing and I just wanted to give up. I'd come here and read a couple of lines and leave without commenting or even forming an opinion. I felt hopeless in all the crap that's going down. Then something happened - I'll be darned if I can remember what - that revived me and brought back hope. Now I'm energized by all of the attention these faulty voting machines are starting to receive. It would be much easier to deal only with day to day life, but I guess it's not in me to sit back and watch. I'd rather use my mind in other ways.
COMMENT #21 [Permalink]
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Bluebear2
said on 3/29/2006 @ 8:03 pm PT...
GWN #19
No - nothing like that at all - we can choose to give a couple of dollars to various political causes but that's about it.
Of course now they are talking about selling our personal information from the tax forms - so much for privacy!
COMMENT #22 [Permalink]
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MIKE PRICE
said on 3/29/2006 @ 8:51 pm PT...
One word: Hackers. Genius-level, Mensa-cerified, 18-carat, USDA prime quality Super-Hackers. Let's level the billiard table, fight fire with a better fire. If we get our own hackers, and if it turns out that our hackers hack better than their hackers, at least we'll win a Phony Election Results War. Dirty pool? Unethical? Cheating? Too low? There ain't no too low, not against them. Against them, it's Whatever It Takes.
COMMENT #23 [Permalink]
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Bobby I
said on 3/29/2006 @ 10:44 pm PT...
#9 - Like the river in Egypt, you're in denial... OF COURSE this will disproportionately affect Democratic voters... for various reasons... and certainly just because the county is overwhelmingly Democratic (most in the nation). I foresaw the whole Kove Rove engineered scenario playing out when the previous (Democratic) secretary of state Kevin Shelley got run out of town, and it was up to Schwarzenegger to install a Repug - McPherson. Voila! First thing he does is get California Diebolded. And of no help is the LA County registrar of voters. She has been a rabid supporter of Diebold machines. And guess where she came from? Yep, Dallas, Texas board of elections. HELLO! Schwartzenegger's campaign manager is an ex-Cheney aid (!), so der junior fuhrer has drunken die kool aid. So don't expect him to help on this. And by the way, has ANYBODY ANYWHERE heard a Republican complain about Diebold machines, or the Ohio debacle, etc.? WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU?
COMMENT #24 [Permalink]
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calipendence
said on 3/29/2006 @ 11:20 pm PT...
Just got back from phone banking tonight for Busby here in San Diego. Had over 3000 contacts just in our small office tonight.
It just then occurred to me that we're likely getting only the "registered" voters to call, and that many of those that are affected by this messup, are not even going to be in our list of voters to call (and those are the folks that need directions to the polling booths the most!).
A more sinister thought then occured to me, and it would be good if someone could check this out somehow. What if the Republican Party organizations are getting a more "complete" registered voter list, which doesn't throw out those voters in question, and the Busby campaign isn't getting those voters. That would mean that even though the sample of those not getting registered might be demographically evenly divided between the two parties to not be statistically significant, that the uneven access to the voting rolls between the different campaigns COULD make a big difference in how much more access the Republicans (or at least certain "connected" Republicans) have to get to this list of "affected" voters. Access to that set of voters without access by Busby's operatives could swing the election. Any way we might be sure this isn't happening? I'm hesitant to call the ROV on this one directly, as if there is a conspiracy, that call could trigger a coverup.
COMMENT #25 [Permalink]
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RAL
said on 3/30/2006 @ 2:54 am PT...
There is only one answer to this problem, and that is democratic party policy.
If the party starts working with the local districts, and mobilizes the base around a policy they want to go out and right FOR, then we can get a LANDSLIDE and overturn any amount of electoral fraud, gerrymandering and voter suppression and intimidation.
Enough is enough. We need an FDR policy and a commitment to return to constitutional government, end free trade, the whole deal.
Then people will get up and vote in sufficient numbers to shut the GOP out of politics for a decade or two.
COMMENT #26 [Permalink]
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big dan
said on 3/30/2006 @ 5:23 am PT...
The bottom line, is this: Voting shouldn't be hard. Anyone making it harder is a Republican. They are called "roadblocks". Voting should be easy, and available to everyone.
WHENEVER YOU SEE A LAW ADDING MORE DIFFICULTY TO VOTING, IT'S A REPUBLICAN DOING IT! WAKE UP!!!!!!!
And let's crunch some numbers. How many of these disenfranchised people are registered Democrat or at least NOT registered Republican? That should be in the story, that's the most important part. Does it say this???
COMMENT #27 [Permalink]
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big dan
said on 3/30/2006 @ 5:25 am PT...
The whole point of exposing who's behind it (for Christ's sake) is to point out the % of disenfranchised voters who aren't Republican-registered. THAT is exactly how you expose who's behind this!!!!!!!!!
COMMENT #28 [Permalink]
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Sally
said on 3/30/2006 @ 5:28 am PT...
Diebold must stand for Diabolical
COMMENT #29 [Permalink]
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Sally
said on 3/30/2006 @ 5:42 am PT...
What can we do? Boycott Repubican Business. Hit them sharply in the pocket. The qicker it bites the better. Before they tighten the noose too tight.
Use your money as a weapon of Republican Dictatorship Destruction.
COMMENT #30 [Permalink]
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Dredd
said on 3/30/2006 @ 6:09 am PT...
Savantster #3
Excellent point.
The current suit against the California Secretary of State could (should) be amended to add another cause of action against the database concept (probably copied from JebLand, a.k.a. Florida) for the reason you mentioned (in effect a poll tax).
There are other reasons too. The posts here hit upon some of the other reasons.
COMMENT #31 [Permalink]
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renska
said on 3/30/2006 @ 8:20 am PT...
COMMENT #32 [Permalink]
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Leaving_us
said on 3/30/2006 @ 9:29 am PT...
It looks Bruce Mc Phearson is running the elections just like J. Kenneth Blackwell (Secretary of State In Ohio).
In Ohio, Whoops, we just dropped 175000 votes off the roles (in democratic areas).
Diebold systems everywhere with working ones only in republican districts.
Closed doors when the Gems tabulators are fired up. (BTW, do these systems have wireless enabled?, I know they are NOT OPEN Source)
Thats the plan for the Republicans for taking over California elections
How do stop this?
1) Write/Cal/Email your assembly person and Senator. Tell them that Bruce is in complete violation of California law. He has certified systems illegally (not certified by the Federal Government), has not tested recommend patches, has not shown any suggested security processes. He is using the election (as best case) for an alpha test of his Debolt system.
2) Write/Call the editors of every paper in your county, demanding a paper vote only, citing New Mexico's dumping of evoting along with Maryland. Noting the disasters in Texas and California
3) Write the local/call the local elections officials. Find out if they the voting machines go home before the election (even though they are sealed).
They are programming the 2006 election today.
Please help stop the new Republican voting architecture today.
COMMENT #33 [Permalink]
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colinjames
said on 3/30/2006 @ 9:42 am PT...
K-brighteyes- I feel EXACTLY the same way, so thank you, and thank you Bradblog for covering the election issues like no other- this feels like another sock in the gut, I'm honestly doubled-over in horror at this latest example of shameful, criminal, anti-american activity... DOWN WITH DIEBOLD! Also, if anyone's had to deal with the DMV in Cali, and I know the DMV sucks everywhere, I wouldn't doubt if more than half the problems stem from their end- they take incompetence to a whole new level, on par with the President and Co., but until now relativeley harmless...
COMMENT #34 [Permalink]
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jennifer poole
said on 3/30/2006 @ 10:09 am PT...
Brad, how do we know that it's Diebold who built the CA database? You say it, but with no link.
It wasn't in the LA Times story, or the press release from Bowen's office --- I dont find confirmation with a google, I find info about the CalVoter "statewide voter registration database" project at the Sec'y of State website --- looks like ES&S might've been involved initially in that.
http://www.ss.ca.gov/elections/elections_q.htm
got a link for me?
COMMENT #35 [Permalink]
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R. G. Johnson
said on 3/30/2006 @ 10:12 am PT...
While I agree with most of the points made today...
California Law requires ALL adults to have a photo ID. Thus the CA DMV should have a record of all legal Californians. Photo IDs are already required and yes, you have to pay a fee.
To cross check voter registratin against this list would seem logical. The flaw is in the nature of the DMV database, you can't just call DMV and request a new CDL or CID everytime you change addresses, thus the question you get when you present your CDL, "is this information current?", because in a state where the average HOMEOWNER, not to mention RENTER, moves every 6 to 7 years you can bet the database is always outdated.
These are not arcane facts, the CA SOS knew of this from day one... He has been suborned.
As to whose ox will be gored...
My guess is that the Dem/Ind rate will be about 85% of the total, due to socio-economic factors...Republicans don't move as often as Dems, as they have no need to.
It should be noted that this system would also eliminate double registered voters, people who have registered at more than one legitimate address. In most of the cases that have come to light, these are people who vote absentee from the vacation home and then go to the polls at "home".
In a case close to home, my father was capable, in 2004, of casting ballots in both California and Florida as he requested absentee ballots in California not knowing if circumstances would alow him to properly register from his new home in Fla. As it tuned out the CA Absentee ballot was not needed, but if submitted it would have been counted. This is a larger problem than thought... one that a state-based verification system would not catch.
I am a partisan Democrat. Google it, privacy is dead, my tracks are all over the Internet... With that said, I am going to say something that is probably gonna get me in trouble...
Taken as a whole, immigration, voting rights, welfare fraud, identication theft etc...
Maybe it is time for a national ID system.
We already have one that we say we don't use, but we do... the current system is fraught with opportuniy for fraud, it is broken. All of our rights are endangered by the continued distrust from both sides of the political divide, Dems worry about voter disenfranchisement, Reps about dead people voting and Dems who vote early and often...
Politics being the art of compromise, we must build in safeguards while we give up what is a great but empty principle, "NO NATIONAL ID", for the end of disenfranchisement and the elimination of voter fraud.
These should not be "partisan" issues... Respect for Law is a double-edged sword, cuts both ways...
We must never forget that the word illegal means that the respect for the Law has been ignored, and the Law violated.
Doesn't matter whether the subject at hand is voting, FISA, Gitmo or immigration. You can't have it both ways.
RG Johnson
San Jose CA
COMMENT #36 [Permalink]
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Old Hippie
said on 3/30/2006 @ 10:16 am PT...
You want to see some real manipulation of the disenfranchising of voters? Look at what is happening to those displaced by Hurricane Katrina, it makes what's happening in California look like a mere glitch in comparison.
The republican attempt to simply make the City of New Orleans over to their liking is nothing more than a blatant, in-you-face, coup.
COMMENT #37 [Permalink]
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Savantster
said on 3/30/2006 @ 1:03 pm PT...
"California Law requires ALL adults to have a photo ID. Thus the CA DMV should have a record of all legal Californians. Photo IDs are already required and yes, you have to pay a fee."
So, it's illegal in Cali to be a poor adult with no car?
wow.. so much for liberal.
COMMENT #38 [Permalink]
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Catherine a
said on 3/30/2006 @ 1:11 pm PT...
COMMENT #39 [Permalink]
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Catherine a
said on 3/30/2006 @ 1:19 pm PT...
COMMENT #40 [Permalink]
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renska
said on 3/30/2006 @ 1:51 pm PT...
Catherine A --- can you help out with the BradBlog links in your post, above? I'm getting a page cannot be found error.
Thanks!
COMMENT #41 [Permalink]
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Catherine a
said on 3/30/2006 @ 3:50 pm PT...
Renska,
Try this one here. It's the pdf version of the same info; the link that didn't work was for the html version.
I got this by googling Diebold DIMS California CA.
COMMENT #42 [Permalink]
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R. G. Johnson
said on 3/30/2006 @ 4:40 pm PT...
Savantster
No, it is not illegal to be a poor adult with no car in California... we got lots of 'em, used to be one myself...
Yes, it is illegal to be an adult and not have an ID in California. Poor or otherwise...as well it should be. The fee is minimal, 26 bucks, as I recall.
I was once arrested in the 1970's, while hitchiking near Mendicino, for not having my ID...I was 18 and didn't drive. Might have been the long hair... or the leather...or heck, it might have been just the Law. I was detained until identified, got a nice breakfast next morning and a ride to the county line...no beatings just a warm bed and a much needed shower.
As to liberal, please see last paragraph, illegal is illegal, not conservative, not liberal, just illegal...
Don't like the Law? Work the system... I would bet that every state has a similar law. And should!
RG Johnson
San Jose Ca
COMMENT #43 [Permalink]
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big dan
said on 3/30/2006 @ 7:21 pm PT...
When people's registration is rejected, are they immediately informed? Or do they show up Nov. 2 and are told they are not registered?
COMMENT #44 [Permalink]
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big dan
said on 3/30/2006 @ 7:25 pm PT...
COMMENT #45 [Permalink]
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kit
said on 3/31/2006 @ 1:06 am PT...
When people's registration is rejected, are they immediately informed?kit
COMMENT #46 [Permalink]
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joy
said on 3/31/2006 @ 1:13 am PT...
I have done wrong operation.
COMMENT #47 [Permalink]
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joy
said on 3/31/2006 @ 1:13 am PT...
I have done wrong operation.
COMMENT #48 [Permalink]
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mr.prayer
said on 3/31/2006 @ 3:21 am PT...
I keep tellin people.... it will come to armed revolution. Democrats will never win another election. Get ready. Revolution is better than dying in the camps they're building for us.
The proof of this pudding will be in Nov. 06. And then it will be obvious to all.
COMMENT #49 [Permalink]
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Dredd
said on 3/31/2006 @ 6:28 am PT...
R. G. Johnson #42
California has gotten into Constitutional trouble with its ID requirements before the US Supreme Court in the past.
I think that your blanket requirement for an ID is going to be unconstitutional in many scenarios.
For instance, take a case where a police officer has no probable or other cause to believe an individual has committed or is about to commit a crime, can the officer ask for identification?
If the officer cannot ask for it in the absence of any indication of wrong doing, why is an ID required?
I think that law will be held unconstitutional in many contexts.
There is a right to anonymity under the US Constitution which cannot be taken away on whim.
COMMENT #50 [Permalink]
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jack
said on 4/17/2006 @ 12:38 pm PT...
Write your local and national representatives that items 1) and 2) are a start and may be the only way to keep vote acquisition, counting, and delivery honest, under constant public scrutiny, and under public ownership.
1) Insist on "Open Source" programming of all computers associated with official election processing. A company awarded a voting contract should not have to re-invent the wheel, create new tests, and add even more costs to the election process. Every time this is done, the integrity of the election process is put at needless risk and extra cost.
Each successive election should be able to build on the technology and knowledge that preceeded it. This is a matter of contracting the WORK...and not giving away the intellectual property. Companies do this all the time with temporary contract workers and government bodies can and should do the same...the workers do NOT own the programs....the company that hired them does...in this case, it would be the governmental body/the public that owns the IP, and simply hires the company(ies) to do the work. Open Source programming and licensing assures that this will happen.
2) Prohibit any election contracts that involve "proprietary" processes, programs, programming, hardware, etc. Anything that allows a company to hide results, or add more costs to post-election analyses should be illegal. Such proprietary mechanisms effectively establish monopolies, as the established company has an automatic economic advantage when it comes to bidding for the contract..
Contracts should specify, contain, and manage any potential costs up-front. This will help avoid claims by a company for added "processing" fees to deliver vote data as is being done in Alaska. Such follow-up work should be contained within the original contract, and bids should take that into account.
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As for general economic incentives...
3) Where possible, boycott or limit business with banking institutions that use Diebold ATMs, Teller Windows, Safety Deposit Boxes, Processing systems, and Vaults.