Let's get those forged uranium documents in the news a bit more, shall we?

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What strikes me sometimes is that even when people do address the topic of electronic machines, they seem to want to twist it in a way that pits them against other means of voting, almost as if they want to avoid the fundemental point that all means of voting, whatever they are, need accountability, both technically and in terms of human handling. The fundemental issue is simple and stark. Whether it be machines that are left in a hallway or machines that create no meaningful paper record or stacks of ballots that are not secured before or after election or that are designed to decieve less attentive voters and so on, the argument is fundementally about accountability.

I used to vote on machines that involved levers. Was that safer? Not necessarily. I never saw my vote actually being recorded nor did I have any way of knowing that it actually was recorded or recorded accurately. This last time I voted absentee so that there would be a paper record; come to find out that that just gives them more excuses to eliminate my ballot. Did I fill out every bubble exactly right? Do I sign my signature exactly the same way every time? And so on.

Is there a perfect system? In an imperfect world, absolutely not. But should we be working to make the system better rather than more wide open in nearly every concievable way? Obviously yes.

Maybe we need a mock national convention to pass a mock constitutional amendment to make the point that the election issue is as fundemental as any issue can be.

We should include in such a convention a session on habeas corpus, another issue fundemental to democracy.

There is supposedly "rig proof" voting machine. As we all know, if person/persons wish to corrupt a machine, they will find a way. It's not the machines, it the counters!

A canadian defense minister is reported to believe that aliens are visiting earth (link here).

Currently in the US one is looked at as crazy for questioning the election integrity of our country.

Its as if we are saying bad things about our mother or our "homeland". Criticism and debate are seen as unpatriotic.

Voting problems can not be fixed in such a sordid state of mind.

So I am glad to see some public statements by neoCons and liberals alike to the effect that debate is ok.

Perhaps the climate is changing and we will not be accused of saying aliens are tampering with our elections just because we want to make the system fair to all voters.

Has John Kerry won Ohio yet???

#6 once again, what do you not understand about yes?