YAAAAAYYYY!!!!

Thanks Brad. Wish I was there.

It was huge. I think it is more between 250K and 500K. It went on forever. And I believe that NY finally got there. We saw the caskets passing by the WH through the park.

This is a story that the news 24/7 must kill. It absolutely destroys all their credibility.

Memo to KKKarl Rove: The Peace Movement LIVES! The Press is Dead.

Problem is, if the media doens't cover this, those waiting in the wings won't realize how big this is.. Part of what ended Vietnam was that the Press bothered to SHOW people what was going on.. if they keep quiet (and the likely will), -most- people will remain clueless..

But, great work by everyone there! I'd like to get a better count/estimate.. I think the MSM is intentionally dropping the ball and under-counting so it doesn't look like there's as much of an impact.. However, those at "ground zero" know the people are not happy.. perhaps that will scare them into a little action.. one can only hope!

Maybe the foreign press will cover it, to the ever increasing shame of Bushco. and the American MSM. Shame...shame...God Bless the American people...take back your country now, today, this hour!

I'd love to hear any info on the march. What about the Metro and Amtac shut downs. Someone on DU said it was "maintanance". WTF?

I and my wife were there from about 11:30 till 1:15 or so. Who can guess a crowd's size? But it felt like a lot more than a hundred thousand. We walked from the Smithsonian Metro exit, which dropped us off at L. Bush's Book Bash, and walked over to the other side of the Washington Monument where Cindy, Galloway, et al, gave speeches (actually we heard Galloway live). The whole time of our walk, which was more or less continuous and took a good 45 minutes or so (until we got to the stage where the speakers were) we were amidst thousands upon thousands of people, and we could see down DC streets for great distances - all choked with people as far as the eye could see. And all the time we were there, more people kept coming. As we left, we passed by large groups of people exiting the metro to join the crowds. I bet the total number of people who came throught the day is a million or more.

The internet is the single most powerful tool we have to spread the truth. Care to guess what the next version of anti-terrorism laws will be targeting ?

Oust these control freak facists! Bushco must go!

looks like about 6 or 7 people showed up today

http://www.wusatv9.com/v...e/player_deepdishtv.asp?

Is this a live video link to DC rally? not sure if I have downloaded right program to view it

Gavin - congratulations on you and your wife making the walk!! Sounds like it's all going peaceful and calm, which is wonderful news. Was watching some on C-SPAN, was inspiring!

Looks like a crapload of people who have had enough of this whole administration. Great pics.

MSN is playing their part today, seems they all were handed the same news to report. Wonder who their source was, they all read the same. Nahhhhh, I don't wonder, nevermind.

Get some well deserved rest tonight Gavin, with your wife, you deserve it!! Thank you guys for being there ) God Bless America!!!!!

Just came from the LA rally. Great fun, probably 5-10,000 people there. The rallies were being covered on KNX, our local news radio stattion, and of course 1150 KTLK, the Air America affliate.

Gee, no shock the Bush regime ordered the cable outlets not to cover this. More proof of their complicity and despicability. Let my subscription to Newsweek lapse this week. The MSM can go fuck themselves.

There's going to be another rally in LA on election day, too--they're going to try to shut down Wilshire Blvd.

Glad you enjoyed the comments, ACC. Incidentally, we took some good pictures. If there was a way to upload them to this site, would do it, or if someone can give me an alternative...

As Savantster commented I am concerned about the lack of coverage on cable news channels. I've been surfing them all day, reading the crawls, hoping that they would show something. Then finally, at 6:50 pm CNN Headline took 30 seconds to mention that 1000's of people around the world were gathering to protest the war and that Cindy Sheenan was leading the protest in Washington. With 2 quick pics. And that was it! No coverage of any of the speeches, no accurate depiction of how many people were really there, and no mention of all the other groups that were there besides Cindy Sheehan!

I think we should start flooding the media with letters of outrage on the lack of coverage of this event. I know I am going to be writing one tonight and sending out! Maybe it won't help but if everyone who went today and everyone who was watching and supporting the protesters wrote a letter maybe just maybe the next time one of the networks would cover it.

I can only hope.

WOW! Thanks for the great pictures. The CSPAN presentation of the event was depressing. I haven't been able to find anything else. I wish I was there. Keep the great pictures coming. Thanks again.

they have the same wire story everyone elese has on cnn.com.

You know, there were tons of organizations at the LA rally I'd never even heard of--and I've been active in this cause for a year now. Only goes to prove how fractious an in need of being united we are.

A couple of the bigger organizations were: www.bartcop.com and www.worldcantwait.org, which is coordinating the Election Day rallies.

There have been huge pro-life rallies in DC and the big media never picked them up. Doesn't fit their agenda either.

Those Million Man March and Million Mom March groups were nowhere near a million. Closer to 250,000. I doubt there was more than 100,000 there today. So it is not one of the biggest rallies in 35 years.

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From truthout.org

By William Rivers Pitt

Saturday 24 September 2005 4:26 PM

"CNN reported earlier in the day that 600,000 people were here. That seems, to me, a little bit of an overcount. I cannot be sure because this thing is spread in all directions and I'd need to be in a helicopter to get a good idea, and never mind the fact that counting noses is not my forte. But I have been covering these things in DC and New York since they started, and I feel comfortable saying there are at least 300,000 people here right now."

Let's hope it was over 600,000. The MSN can't ignore that -can they?

Whether 6 or 7, or 6000 to 7000, or 100,000--- it doesn't matter. This isn't about "Protest Envy". I am happy to see spirits being raised. This is solid evidence that BushCorp is increasingly in retreat.

You know, not one bystander or car going by in LA today shouted "Bush Rules" or "You Suck!" Not a one. Instead, we got lots of thumbs up, car horns, and quite a few curious onlookers who have no idea things are this bad with their government, many of whom quickly slapped on a "World Can't Wait--Drive Bush Out" sticker on their shirt.

We are the majority, guys.

Hey, I just realized I can post my own pix. They're up! Click my name above to see.

Jim,
I took part in a rally and march today, too. We had a good showing of about 400 people in Akron, Ohio. We had only one person voice his opposition, but I think he was a bit crazy. He yelled something like if we didn't like it here we should go to Cuba! But we also had hundreds of people honk their car horns and wave or give the thumbs-up sign. Great fun and very moving. We felt so united in this. I will definitely do this again. But I hope I won't have to!

Brad,
After reading your article about the Diebold "backdoor", I sent letters to our county board of elections, our state representatives, and our Congressional representatives. Let's hope it helps.

Right on, TLV!

Gavin, great pix! Gonna check out bushocchio.com right now...

Flood the networks and cable stations with irate phone calls, faxes, and e-mails starting now to bug them into showing the demostration in its true massiveness and diversity. Tell them not to use their trickery to downplay the massiveness of the event. Let the MSM know that you know that there were 600,000 people there and that they better show it. For those 600,000 represented the millions of us all over the U.S.

I called the NYT and they said they'd be carrying it on the front page, when I asked about the accompanying photo--if it accurately portrayed the massiveness of the event she hemmed and hawed. They have a few more hours to get an accurate photo in. BUG THEM

Clearly the mainstream media are not going to do justice to this story so we'd better do it for them. Here are a couple of good places to start:

BLACKOUT!! Washington DC, September 24, 2005 by William Rivers Pitt

Patriotic Dissent by Cindy Sheehan

Please: Take The Truth To The Streets!

great pics, Gavin.

Julie #23

Say it often and say it loud ! We want the truth.

The internet blogosphere should not be the single resource for information regarding the anti-war movement.

The media is slipping into irrelevancy and I suggest we boycott their limp attempt at journalism until they show some 'nads. Don't buy their rags and refuse to view their 24/7 drivel drones.

Pound them with e mails and voice mails. Insist they cover these historic events, or ultimately they will be forced to close up shop from lack of revenue.

Umm, that is not a bad thing. Maybe I'll just stop here.

Hi, viewing this from Australia, I'll be sure to post as much info I can on forums over here....keep up the good work everyone!!!!

Power to the people :laugh:

Was at the DC rally from 10am till 5pm, it was great. The people were peaceful and orderly. The signs were great! Represented every thought that could have ever entered your mind or will enter your mind. It was more around 500,000 ~ 600,000..only ran into a thin one line behind a well police guarded fence of protest protestors on Pennsylvania Ave. Good to be with like minded people...let's keep it up, each time we protest it's more sand in the bottle and soon it will be filled and we will see W impeached and jailed and our brave soldiers home!

I had a friend there with PDA who called in a few reports. He first reported 250,000 - 300,000 then updated to atleast a half million.

http://blog.thedemocraticdaily.com/?p=671

Barely any coverage from the MSM. Sad, but true.

I am from NY and my mother and I were in DC...it was such a powerful yet sad day. I would have to bet 500,000 were there...people as far as you could see.

Still ahve the vhant in my head...hey hey ho ho, bush and Cheney have to go!

Oh and BTW conveniently the subway system was "down" at the same time we were to assemble. How convenient!

The Iraq war rally is the biggest every, 500,000+ people and it MUST grow larger. We MUST have the corporate media cover all aspects of it, and everyone sit up and take notice!

Its time to FORCE our own elected leaders especially democrats to stand up and call for the EXIT strategy now!!!!!!!!

OK Nuclear, I'm WELL AWARE of the massive voter fraud in those democratic cities. And there is still just as many republican voter fraud in those republican cities also, so it is not just ONE side!

The point is, the machines are frauds themselves. They are insecure, they are not auditable, they do not have MANDATORY RECOUNT AUDITS in place yet and anyone can use them to malfunction or steal elections.

So the machines should be flat out taken away from the process. TAKE THE MACHINES AWAY, FORCE THE CORPORATIONS OUT OF THE VOTE COUNTING, AND THEN HAVE PHOTO ID LAWS.

I agree with that then. First take the machines completely out, and then EVERYONE can be required to have a photo ID. Otherwise, there is no point to the election reform.

Doug E.

For us spiritual types, it matters not if CNN or FOX reported it. What is important are the vibes left in the capitol. They will abide there as seeds of light. And they will blossom into the flowers of revolution which will destroy this nation of shadow and pain.

Doug Eldritch #31

I agree that voting machines are the mechanism by which corruption is implemented in the election process, however ,I do not agree that election reform needs to include mandatory photo id at the polls.

Bushco will continue to ostracize the elderly and poor of this country in any way they can. Promoting national id is one of the more insidious techniques because while alleging this will more accurately enable the election process to validate "qualified" voters, it will in reality ,provide Bushco with a more complete database with which to leverage exemptions against the citizens he deems "unqualified".

There is a fine but distinct line between voter and non-voter. That distinction should not be determined by any one but the citizen.

Sam, I agree precisely with that.

But I'll take bi-partisan compromise any way that it can come. If they get rid of the machines completely, we can stand to have a uniform Nationwide ID to prevent voter fraud like in Missouri.

And don't tell me there's no way to handle it: We can FORCE every machine out of there thats diebold/sequoia and ONLY have scanners, or just paper ballots. And then force every user to have a photo ID which they can get for FREE from the state. And those who have to pay money for it can file complains and make the state pay for it.

Doug E.

I am all for a paper trail in the voting process.
But, I would rather see voter qualifications linked to existing documentation, such as SS#.

And above all, I agree with you the Diebold gang needs to be removed from the landscape entirely.

There is no way to ensure the election process has integrity until all the votes are counted accurately.
Privatisation of the election process is not only a bad idea, it has become the key weapon in a successively performed coup.

Once we re-establish the transparency of the process from casting to counting, it is only then we are safe as a voting public.

I highly disagree with having a photo ID to vote. I was just reading an article about voter photo ID and forcing voters to have an ID would disenfranchise many poor and nonwhites and elderly. Further, if they have to pay to get one it is a modern day poll tax.

There are very few cases of voter fraud, it's election fraud that is the problem. I'm sure most states have it set up so that people can only vote once.

Another reason I disagree with photo IDs is because I think it is just one more step towards total fascism.

There are lots of people who don't have a driver's license with their photo because they use mass transit or are unable to drive any longer. Why make old people stand in long lines to get an ID?

I linked to the DC traffic cameras yesterday,heh,you could see ALOT more than a "few thousand"people jamming the streets.This was all in real time too,for hours you could see people moving around from various vantage points in DC.

I wish someone had climbed one of the scaffoldings on the main stage to get over all crowd pics.I've heard attendance figures ranging from 2000(which is bullshit)to 600,000.

:rolleyes: The Good News is that they aren't there figuring out how to give more money to the super rich. The bad new is that we don't know where they are plotting and scheming to take money from the poor to give to the rich. :angry:

people... turn off your tv's and let the media know it. I stopped watching it and started only reading news, both usa and foreign. I find out all my news via foreign sources. We really need to get that message to the us media. They are a poor excuse for a bunch of people with a mission.... or are they?
I keep hearing an echo of iiiiiiimmmmpeachmeeeeeeent.

Hello everybody! I'm still in the DC area. JPentz, her father and Eric from went to the march yesterday. I will report to you all that my estimate puts the crowd at more than 600,000. It was HUGE!!!

The reports of the metro and Amtrack having problems are true and very suspicious. Signs at the metro said they were doing work on the rail lines ... my question is WHY did they schedule that work for THIS weekend?? So, either they just aren't very bright or it was planned to hinder our protest. We were delayed more than an hour because of the Metro.

The march was supposed to start at Noon, but didn't start until about 10 'til 1:00. People were everywhere, packing every street and sidewalk as far as you could see. We were crammed together as we marched elbow to elbow. The route was over a mile through the city and around the White House and at 5:15 it was still going!!!!! I wish I could see the helicopter footage. Folks, this one was HUGE.

Paul #16 said: "There have been huge pro-life rallies in DC and the big media never picked them up." HEY PAUL! We counted about 50 people TOTAL who were pro-bu$h. I counted 10 who were anti-abortion. WE are the PRO-LIFE people and, like I said, we numbered OVER half a million. I still think 600,000 is a low count.

I should have gone to the top of the Washington Monument for a view, but I wouldn't have missed being one of the throng chanting and marching against the bu$h CONS.

I may have some pictures available by later this evening or tomorrow.

Cheers!
Kira

Oops - I'm not at my computer ... I put in a link in my comment #41 for Eric at www.bushflash.com, but it didn't show up. Dunno! I don't have time to figure it out right now. Maybe later!

I love hearing these great reports. My husband and I haven't been able to find anything in the news. The only people who even know this happened are all of us who are already in the choir. The only televised stuff we found was C-SPAN and it was awful. We watched the whole thing, but it was like a train wreck, Horrible but you can't take your eyes off it. I don't know who arranged those speakers but frankly they really blew it. If the only T.V. coverage you are going to get is C-SPAN use it better. We expected some good speakers like Ron Kovic, Op Truth and other veterans. Instead we got some silly stuff about peace in the Philippines and poets. Also the flags would have been good. My husband and I are both veterans and he always has a flag on the back of his wheelchair along with his paralyzed veteran sticker and his George Bush is a war criminal sticker. I really think the speakers were a messed up opportunity since that is all anyone who wasn't there saw.

Kira, Guano, Julie, Ada, Tsuki, Jim, TLV and everyone - way to go and thanks for the news!! Sounds so great and had to be so powerful, joining with SO MANY people who feel the same way as we do. Everyone's pics are fantastic and the signs were great! Anyone from Brad Blog meet up with anyone else, meeting face to face for the first time? That would have been cool.

I would bet 90+% of the people there yesterday have the internet. Just think how many would have been there if the MSN hadn't become corporate whores and sold our country out too. The percentage of guilt, by the MSN in the demise of our country, grows everyday.

Liz - I did the exact same thing too, about a month ago. They are toast.

OK I'm watching the Rally to Honor on cspan right now. The turn out is really really poor. So far they have had some good speakers and some bad speakers. It is sad to see the families. I can't figure out what the point is supposed to be. It is a very very sad and depressing event.

By my rough measurement, the "flow rate" on 15th St.
between Constitution Ave and Pennsylvania Ave was
approximately 80,000 per hour . I don't know how long
that continued (I got tired of watching), but it was at
least 2.5 to 3 hours. So, I believe 200,000 is a fairly
conservative estimate.

One measurement is worth a thousand expert opinions.

Guano

Greetings, "enemies of the people"...No media on such a thing, eh?

Awww... by next year, if things keep going like this, when you attempt another 300k+ antiwar demonstration they'll book you all for Guantanamo/Abu'G...

You should replace the stars in your flag with svastikas...

:)i was there. my first protest. as a former marine and mother of 2 children in the military i felt it was important that i go. the anti-war protestors do not confuse the war with the warrior. we support the troops that is why we want them home from this illegal war. the crowd was well behaved. even the anarchists were well behaved. everyone was in the spirit of peace and thats what this was all about. we need to keep the movement going. it is obvious by our numbers that we are now the majority. there were a few hundred pro-war people. that speaks volumes to me about the anti-war movement. people are getting tired of the lies and the incompetence. it was a great experience to be in the nations capital with so many people who have the same goal. the crowds were massive but festive. it was almost like a parade. the music was great, the speeches were good but went over the time they were supposed to. people wanted so bad to march most of us left the rally area about 3:30. took forever to get around the corner to pennsylvania ave. but it was awesome.

Uncle Bob, you and the rest of you dumb kids can go stand in line and think your "war" is just.

Oh I forgot, only 200 or so of you idiots came out....

By the way, the enemies of the people thing is old-hat bullshit. It's been used in VIETNAM and every other illegal war, and its not happening, nobody is going to try to arrest 500,000 or a million people because if they do, they'd be killed.

You're talking about 70% of the country against the war. Give it up and shut up.

Doug E

ColBatGuano,

Your crowd estimate isn't far from mine. I got 245,000 in the march.

Here's how I did it. I measured the length of the march route on Google maps and, while I was marching, I measured the width of the streets, then the crowd density by counting the number people that occupied various painted cross walks along the way (cross walks were 5 paces (yards) wide x the width of the street)

The calculation doesn't include people on the sidewalks, side streets, Lafeyette Park, or people that stayed at the Elipse and Washington monument area. So a total of 300,000 maybe more is pretty close.

What the fuck? Now, I'm not for the war, but this is absolutely fucking ridiculous. All I hear out of liberals these days is "BUSH ISNT DOING ANYTHING TO HELP THE HURRICANE VICTIMS ITS ALL BUSHES FAULT OMG BUSH PROBABLY CREATED THE HURRICANE." And then like.....during all this destruction and displacement and death and need...100,000 people managed to gather in DC and LA to bitch about the WAR? Like...how about instead of using those resources, manpower, and coordination to host a useless protest...how about we use it...to..I dunno....HELP THE HURRICANE VICTIMS? I think protesting the war can wait a bit...fucking hypocrites. And waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah waaaaaaaaaaaaaaah they didn't report about it as much as the hurricane on the news...how about the reason is that NO ONE FUCKING CARES.

#50 I see the point you are trying to make but really I don't know what 100,000 people with protest signs could do to help the hurricane victims. Most of us have been giving our kids shoe money to the red cross all month. Maybe going to DC for the protest was their vacation. The president vacations during hurricanes so I guess it would be ok for ordinary folks to do the same thing. As for the news coverage , I agree the hurricane is certainly more important.

I don't necessarily mean every single person who went down to march- I mean whoever coordinated it. And come on, there must be something over 100,000 people can do.

My guess (and I really don't know because I'm here at home) is that the plan for the protest was already laid out long before Katrina or Rita. Plane tickets and hotels already arranged. You really don't know how much any of those people have done for the victims. It is possible (even probable) they have done a lot.
They certainly are not going to go to Texas or LA. The last thing either of those states need is another 100,000 people wandering around.

Re #52 and so on, it is certainly true that plans for this weekend were made long before the hurricanes started. William Rivers Pitt was writing about the plans as early as August 4th. Where was Katrina on August 4th? Oh, sorry! I wasn't supposed to mention that, was I?

It is also true that if all the people who oppose the war spent all their spare time and money helping hurricane victims, the war would never ever end. So thanks to all the marchers for great comments on this thread. Please send more when you can.

Thanks also to the other commenters who couldn't go to Washington this weekend but who do support the anti-war movement in various other ways.

As you can see, the media is not about to tell the country what has been happening, so that's gonna have to be our job. Here's a fun and easy way for you to help: visit The Whispering Campaign, print some articles, and leave copies in public places for others to read.

Current features include:

We Don't Exist by Cindy Sheehan

Huge: September 24, 2005 by William Rivers Pitt

Roll, Wheel: September 24, 2005 by William Rivers Pitt

Watching History Develop: September 24, 2005 by Scott Galindez

Leave 'em at bus stops, coffee shops, fast-food places, laundromats, libraries, waiting rooms, ... be creative! But please don't keep this stuff secret!!

Knowledge Is Power! Pass It On!!

How wonderful WASHINGTON was this weekend...myself and two other freedom fighting college students drove down from Detroit. We marched all day Saturday and stayed for the whole concert on Saturday night, how BEAUTIFUL it was. Everyone coming together for peace, and where were all the counter protestors???? We saw a group of around 50 or so, I guess FOX News wasn't keeping them in the loop!!!

UNITED FOR PEACE, BRING OUR TROOPS HOME NOW W~

I just got home from DC late last night. I didn't see any news coverage, because I was a little busy participating in Democracy...I was really looking forward to seeing some pictures and reading the stories. WHERE ARE THEY??!!!!! I found an article about the counter demonstration (with slightly inflated numbers) and a disabled link to the story about the big one. This makes me want to cry. I thought we did something that couldn't be ignored

IRT #48 by Doug Eldritch

Dumb... er... Dough:

1. That was sarcastic

2. I'm not a kid

3. I'm not from US

4. As follows:

The 'enemis of the people' was a handy syntax used by the totalitarian 'communist' regimes (and still used today in China) to describe people that protest the government.

The point was, your beloved US os A is fucked up beyond any concievable 'point of no return'. Such balant and obvoius censorship (like the antiwar demo - which is minor compared to the overall censorship of your country's war crimes) is one inch closer to a totalitarian regime in which you WILL be declared 'enemies of the people' and you just might fill in the cells ar Gitmo, Abu'G or similar homegrown facilities.

You paseed the point of no return. It'll be either a civil war or world war to change the staus quo of US (and, implicitly the sq of the whole world).

I for one opt for a civil war. Better slaughter yourselfs than drag the rest of the planet in it. Not that it isn't already knee-deep in....

"and its not happening, nobody is going to try to arrest 500,000 or a million people because if they do, they'd be killed" Funny... That's what happend here when people got REALLY tired of the dictatorship...

I'm talking about at leasta century of indoctrination.

Your main enemies are idiocy and religious fundamentalism. If your "1 out of 5 adults belives sun revolves around (a flat) Earth" segment of the population really belives Bush&co recive orders from Geebus and crap and you are fighting evil satanic islamists and crap you have NO peaceful way out.

Factor in supremacist and capitalist brainwashing steadily streamed in through all conciaveble media and... shit happens. As I've pointed out, for the sake of ~6 billion people (give or take 200 mil americans) I hope you settle this internally with a nice ugly and gritty civil war.

You nation was forged by a civil war... Perhaps it's time to be redesigned by another...

Bob U.

Uncle Bob- I don't much like your cynical outlook but I have to admit you might be right. I, and I believe a a majority of Americans, will continue to hope for and work towards a better outcome. What you describe is the consequence of our failure. We can and must succeed.

What is "succede", exactly?

Will you bring down bush&co and "impeach" him (whatever that means)? Probably...

But what GOOD will that do?

Did US change all for the better after the massive antiwar demos of Vietanm? Did your country admit it's mistake and made any kind of payment to the people of Vietnam? Nope...

From your perspective, bringing down this regime is "the better outcome" but seriously:

1. who will follow bush/reps ? Democrats? It's the same shit. Under democrats leadership US bombed all over the world alongh the lines of the republican administrations?

2. what will happen to Iraq and Afghanistan? 'Bring back/home troops' and what? You fucked up that country beyond imagination for good. The sheer amount of DU amunnition guarantees at least two generations of suffering. Who's gonna' pay for reconstruction? This will end just like Vietnam. Troops home, war over, flower-power...

20 years from now Iraq will still be a shithole made by USA...

Impeaching your drung and retarded president and (hopefully) jailing Dick+Karl+* is little confort to Iraqis and others...

The painful truth is that no matter WHAT you do ( short of going back in time and putting a few bullets in bush&co back before 2000) is going to make things better. For no one.

A series of events were set in motion. This war generated an enormous deficit for USA and sooner or later your economy will hit the proverbial bucket breaking under the 800bil-tril-somethings loans you have. They have techincal name for these things and it's "DEPRESSION"... In the context of our days that's spelled "GLOBAL DEPRESSION"... The last one was one of the core causes of the World War..

However, back then, the "enemy nations" did not have gazillion 'nucular' weapons as they do today...

WW2 ended in the nuclear blaze of US's racism, elitism and some other "isms". A military attack conducted by a military force on a military installation caused a terrorist nuclear attack conducted by a military force upon a civilian population.

If you scale it up to this day with your "all options on the table" and "and I think we should nuke Mecca" fascist regime, there's pretty good chance that the blaze at the end of WW3 (4?, 5?, how do you count them?) will be seen way over from Mars...

I'd invest in space tourism and crap if I had the money... You now, X-Prize and stuff... Nothing like watching the end of the world (as we know it) from ISS...

http://community.webshots.com/user/hirodog

more photos here

Uncle bob - you lay out a likely senario, but please don't sit around waiting for it to happen. I'm not!

Great Photos! We are looking for fotos from the march that might show our 20 ft long yellow banner that read " support the troops bring them home" The Hillsdale County Coalition for Peace and Justice had a band of 14 people, 6 were teens and young adults, attending the march in DC. Interested in ANY links to more photos from the march.

Thanks,

Aimee England
Volume I Books
Hillsdale County for Peace and Justice
www.hcc4pandj.org

If you want to stop a war you should win it.

Hey, Sergius, quit foolin' around!

You are missing Justice Sunday!

How does one post photos to this thread? I have lots of good pics from the march on Sat.

Ifoundgodot, No you didn't. You are obviusly still waiting for Godot and with your head stuck up your butt, you probably will miss him.

i really liked what ya'll have done it remindes me that we all have freedom and the right to speak for what we want. thank you for letting people know about what we actually have.

sincerly,
karissa deschamp
age:14