READER COMMENTS ON
"OH MY OHIO: Bernadette Noe Said Complicit in Gaming 2004 Elections"
(45 Responses so far...)
COMMENT #1 [Permalink]
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Dem in VA
said on 8/1/2005 @ 1:23 pm PT...
Here's the damning conclusion of the report:
Results of Investigation
As a result of the most recent investigation, it is the investigators’ determination that the members of the Lucas County Board of Elections, at the time of the November 2004 election, were directly responsible for the inefficient and unorganized management of the
election process in their county. Listed below, in order of importance, are areas of grave concern:
• Failure to maintain ballot security;
• Inability to implement and maintain a trackable system for voter ballot reconciliation;
• Failure to prepare and develop a plan for the processing of the voluminous amount of voter registration forms received;
• Issuance and acceptance of incorrect absentee ballot forms;
• Manipulation of the process involving the 3% recount;
• Disjointed implementation of the Directive regarding the removal of Nader and Camejo from the ballot;
• Failure to properly issue hospital ballots in accordance with statutory requirements;
• Failure to maintain the security of poll books during the official canvass;
• Failure to examine campaign finance reports in a timely manner;
• Failure to guard and protect public documents;
• Lack of staff election plan;
• Current administrative operations; and,
• Non-compliant areas of the administrative oversight status mandates.
COMMENT #2 [Permalink]
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Dredd
said on 8/1/2005 @ 1:45 pm PT...
America has reached a new low.
COMMENT #3 [Permalink]
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Kira
said on 8/1/2005 @ 1:47 pm PT...
Thanks for the tenacious attention to this story by Brad and Larisa (of RAW Story!!) Sic 'em! Our little pit bulls --- rrrrowf! --- don't let go of their ankles or their whatevers (wherever you gottum!)
COMMENT #4 [Permalink]
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CherylM
said on 8/1/2005 @ 2:00 pm PT...
Has anyone done a flow chart or something to try and connect the dots on all of the connections between Ohio and Florida? I'm tempted to but I don't want to waste the time if someone out there has done it already.
COMMENT #5 [Permalink]
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rush22
said on 8/1/2005 @ 2:10 pm PT...
They're not "stunning revelations," the report has been publicly available for a long time. It is "newly obtained" in that the reporter at Raw Story had not seen it before. Nor would I call it an "Exclusive."
Someone submitted to DailyKos an article from almost 2 months ago discussing this and even linking to the report on the Ohio Secretary of State's website*.
*They've redesigned their site very recently, so the link no longer works (new link)
COMMENT #6 [Permalink]
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Kira
said on 8/1/2005 @ 2:18 pm PT...
I did a quick google, CherylM, but didn't come up with anything. I did find a site that does neat flow charts --- wonder if they'd be interested in making one?
Uggabugga Blogspot
(July 30th entry - 2nd one down ...)
COMMENT #7 [Permalink]
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KestrelBrighteyes
said on 8/1/2005 @ 2:20 pm PT...
Oh, let's just throw one more little log on the Ohio corruption fire, shall we? How about Jean Shmidt?
OH-O2 - Come Clean Jean!
ALL KINDS of nice updates on this one - and it just keeps growing.
COMMENT #8 [Permalink]
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Peggy
said on 8/1/2005 @ 2:21 pm PT...
Hi, Rush22 - I'm "stunned"...these details are "new" to me. There is a lot of information out there that the MSM is not relaying to the public. I'm extremely grateful that DailyKos is reporting on these matters, which need to be investigated by as many people as possible, and reinvestigated as new info turns up. Therefore, I am also extremely grateful to Larissa at Raw Story and Brad. This info needs to be repeated often...everywhere. We need to direct any exasperations we may have with any small imperfections (by comparison) towards those in power who are damaging America.
COMMENT #9 [Permalink]
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Kira
said on 8/1/2005 @ 2:36 pm PT...
Great find Kes!
LIAR, LIAR, PANTS ON FIRE!!!
COMMENT #10 [Permalink]
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nonbeliever
said on 8/1/2005 @ 2:50 pm PT...
Speaking of connecting the dots. A month or so ago, Rawstory had a breaking story about the Lucas County Democratic office being broken into in Ohio.
This is the same county Mrs. Coingate was on the board of elections for.
COMMENT #11 [Permalink]
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nonbeliever
said on 8/1/2005 @ 2:55 pm PT...
You know what? Why aren't the Democrats screaming their lungs out about voting fraud. Does anyone besides the moron in chief have the power to ask for a prime time press conference covered by the networks?
COMMENT #12 [Permalink]
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nonbeliever
said on 8/1/2005 @ 3:02 pm PT...
VOTE RIGGING UN-AMERICAN SONS OF BITCHES!!
I had to do a doubletake when I read this article. They've broken into 2 Democratic offices in Ohio.
They did it in Lucas County before the "election" and in the Columbus Democratic office just last month. Looks like a pattern to me.
I hate republican scum!!
http://www.toledoblade.c...20050702/NEWS03/50702005
COMMENT #13 [Permalink]
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COLLEEN
said on 8/1/2005 @ 3:39 pm PT...
Yes, Repug scum. Short and to the point.
COMMENT #14 [Permalink]
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Robert Lockwood Mills
said on 8/1/2005 @ 4:09 pm PT...
Everyone knows Ohio Republicans are scum. What most people don't know is that Democrats, in Ohio and elsewhere, have allowed them to get away with it all.
Where has the DNC been? I'll tell you where. They've been telling us that not enough went on in Ohio to affect the outcome. They've focused only on disenfranchisement of minority voters, making sure not to claim that it was decisive.
When the history of this episode is written, and the "Song of Bernadette" is sung, Democrats will come out of it looking no better than Republicans. Election fraud is now built into our system, and only the efforts of the Toledo Blade give us hope that we can fix it. I'm still optimistic, but not on account of anything the Democratic party has contributed.
COMMENT #15 [Permalink]
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Jeff
said on 8/1/2005 @ 4:18 pm PT...
COMMENT #14
Here here! The Democratic Party called just yesterday and asked for more money. I told them I couldn’t as times were tough right now for us. What I should have said was this:
“I won't give any more money until the Democratic Party publicly shows some commitment to getting verifiable paper ballots and exposing the fraud and illegal shenanigans being perpetrated upon our Democracy!” I’m tired of giving money to people who don’t have their priorities straight!
COMMENT #16 [Permalink]
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Kira
said on 8/1/2005 @ 4:30 pm PT...
Hehe, Jeff! I've been doing that too - since the s*election! They just ignore my comments and continue sending emails begging for more money! I hate that --- we're ignored by the press and the administration AND by the party that's getting the crap beat out of them on a daily basis!
RLM - is there (yet) a group that has a name made up of the all the people who want to stop this takeover? It looks like it's time to form a new coalition ... just wondering.
COMMENT #17 [Permalink]
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jen
said on 8/1/2005 @ 4:43 pm PT...
Peggy #8 - Absolutely agree!!
OT, but a great article about...
Taking Down the Neocons
Federal probes will be their downfall
by Justin Raimondo
COMMENT #18 [Permalink]
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big dan
said on 8/1/2005 @ 5:53 pm PT...
I'm glad someone posted the link to the Toledo Blade story, about how the Democratic Party Headquarters in Lucas County (where have I heard "Lucas County" before?.........OH YEAH! The Ms. Noe scandel these comments are under, is taking place in Lucas County!). In the Watergate scandel, a president went down for the same reason: GOP operatives breaking into Dem HQ's. I guess this was a crime in 1972, but not in 2004. And it was MSM newsworthy in 1972, but not in 2004. Oh, how the MIA/MSM has changed! The ONLY place you'll possibly see this story, and the link between the 2004 Lucas County breakin/Ms.Noe's violation of the voters/coingate, would possibly be Lou Dobbs.
LOU DOBBS, PLEASE DON'T DISSAPOINT ME! I know it won't be on ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC, FOX News (did I even SAY FOX News? that's assumed). Missing white women are more important news on these channels, than stealing a presidential election. FOR SHAME, MSM! YOU STINK! There's no investigative journalism going on in the MSM. They just have some guest with no rebuttle, saying whatever they please, fact or fiction. Except on Lou Dobbs. Lou knows that respect is worth more than $$$. Don't dissapoint me, Lou, and Toledo Blade!!!
COMMENT #19 [Permalink]
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Peggy
said on 8/1/2005 @ 5:57 pm PT...
COMMENT #20 [Permalink]
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big dan
said on 8/1/2005 @ 5:59 pm PT...
Only in a dream, would Woodward and Bernstein reunite, and crack the Ohio/coingate/Lucas County/DIEBOLD/DemHQ breakin. They would crack the case, and go off in the sunset. It's our only hope, as far as the sorry-ass present-day MSM info-tainment-news goes. When is there going to be a cable news channel not owned by Corporate America, so we can start getting real news on TV?
COMMENT #21 [Permalink]
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big dan
said on 8/1/2005 @ 6:01 pm PT...
What are the people in Ohio and Lucas County doing? Walking around with their thumbs up their asses?
COMMENT #22 [Permalink]
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Kira
said on 8/1/2005 @ 6:36 pm PT...
Big Dan - they are mistakenly under the belief that if the story isn't on CNN or FOX it isn't true. Most people 1) don't visit the blogs 2) don't know how (or want to) research to get at the truth and 3) don't really want to know the truth if it upsets their way of thinking.
That's one of the big problems aside from the fact that MSM is silent and complicit.
COMMENT #23 [Permalink]
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Peggy
said on 8/1/2005 @ 6:41 pm PT...
COMMENT #24 [Permalink]
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CherylM
said on 8/1/2005 @ 6:46 pm PT...
Re: #6
Hi Kira,
I've read soooo many articles since the election regarding election fraud (Curtis, Feeney, Lemme, Blackwell, Noe, Diebold, etc.......) and I wonder if a little graphic could help us all see things a little clearer. I have a feeling we may see many connections between Ohio vote fraud and Florida. I'm a semi-retired grahic designer so I may just spend a little time trying to put together some of the names and see what happens. It may take a while but it could be fun.
Thanks for doing a Google search.
COMMENT #25 [Permalink]
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big dan
said on 8/1/2005 @ 6:47 pm PT...
To clear up some confusion, there were 2 Democratic HQ breakins in Ohio:
October 12, 2004
July 2, 2005
It's getting pretty hard to keep track of all the Dem HQ break-ins in Ohio. Hey, are they a bunch of idiots or something? I heard they hired Moe, Larry, and Curley as security guards. Don't they guard their HQ's? I guess they shouldn't have to, except their opponents were........
DUM DUM DUUUUUUUUM......(scarey effect music)
THE REPUBLICANS!!!!!!!
There's so many break-ins to Dem HQ's in Ohio, that soon FOX News will be announcing the upcoming schedule of future break-ins on their news ticker.........I bet the Dems STILL won't be able to stop them! There's a leak that the burglars orders, if caught, were to say they thought it was an after-hours McDonalds. That's my Jay Leno monologue. I'll be playing here all ze veek...
Here's a brainstorm: Have people sleep at the HQ's and then catch the bastards red-handed!
KIRA, I hope I did that Torqued thingy right...thanks. I have to say, that's too complicated for the average blogger. And how would one know that their link would cause that in the first place? It's a STRETCH to expect everyone to do that (get it? stretch? sorry...)
On the "Web Link Help" drop-down box, did that one choice say "Emotional Help", or "Emoticon Help", because I need both...
COMMENT #26 [Permalink]
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big dan
said on 8/1/2005 @ 6:49 pm PT...
Those links didn't work. I followed the instructions, and the 2 dates were supposed to be hyperlinks.
COMMENT #27 [Permalink]
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Kira
said on 8/1/2005 @ 6:53 pm PT...
Oops your link didn't work. Hmmm --- If you scroll down past the emoticons (on the Community Assistant page) and click on the box that says "web link help", Torqued's instructions appear:
Step 1: Type or paste a web page address into the Link URL text box.
Step 2: Type the text you wish to appear as your web link into the Link Text text box.
Step 3: (Optional) Select "Yes" or "No" to open your web link in a new window. The default value is "Yes".
Step 4: Click the Generate HTML button. The HTML code result will appear highlighted within the HTML text box.
Step 5: For Internet Explorer browser users: Click the Copy HTML To Clipboard button. Your web link is now copied and ready to paste into your BRAD BLOG comment box.
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For all other browser types: Copy (press your CTRL + C keys on your keyboard or press your right mouse button then "Copy") the highlighted text from the HTML text box.
Step 6: Place your mouse cursor in the BRAD BLOG comment box where you want your link to appear. Paste the web link HTML into the BRAD BLOG comment box by pressing the CTRL + V keys on your keyboard, or press your right mouse button then select "Paste".
If your browser does not support the copy button feature it will not appear. Simply copy (press your CTRL + C keys on your keyboard or press your right mouse button then "Copy") the highlighted text from the HTML text box before pasting.
Don't forget to preview your BRAD BLOG comment before submitting to insure there are no errors.
Finally, depress the BRAD BLOG "Submit" button only once. Thank you for your supporting contributions and for your insightful comments!
Hope that helps! /kira
PS Most of us have been befuddled about making html links (that work!) so don't feel like the lone ranger! It'll come with practice.
COMMENT #28 [Permalink]
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Jerry O'Riordan
said on 8/1/2005 @ 9:46 pm PT...
Ohio in 2004.
Florida in 2000.
What's wrong with this picture?????
COMMENT #29 [Permalink]
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Doug Eldritch
said on 8/1/2005 @ 9:47 pm PT...
This evidence is all directly new, because the affidavits and memos are from the board of elections workers in Lucas County/Cleveland Ohio.
Robert Diekmann, and several other officials were allowed to go in and out of the backroom where the tabulators are setup and plug up results. At least one of them probably patched it while the others affixed stickers to the ballots.
What do the security cameras say? There must be security camera logs from the time all of this went down, because we know they impersonated the FBI to make sure the building was locked down. I can't believe the sherrif even turned away these morons at least three times, and they still went in there and messed with the election!
Blackwell must have been planning this for a while....He just didn't know illegal dirty money would make the trail too easy to follow!
Get those tape recordings, the prosecutor will have a field day with them. By the way any moron who steals an election leaving this much evidence, at the very least should use clean money. **CLEAN money** that has not been tainted, increases the chances of not getting caught.
But these people have it down to a science: Use illegal dirty money, so the checks can't be traced! Of course the problem is....the state records to the workers comp fund can be traced...and very easily.
Doug E.
COMMENT #30 [Permalink]
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bartkid
said on 8/1/2005 @ 11:17 pm PT...
Howard Dean called it right, earlier this year.
Republicanism is not a culture of life, it is a culture of corruption.
COMMENT #31 [Permalink]
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shannon
said on 8/2/2005 @ 3:46 am PT...
hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.....they are all going to get caught, and we are all going to have the last laugh.
COMMENT #32 [Permalink]
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big dan
said on 8/2/2005 @ 4:47 am PT...
Whatever happened to the story about Warren County, Ohio lockdown of the facility where they were counting the votes? Vote officials said an FBI agent told them the terror alert was '10', that's why they locked down the facility where the counting was happening. Then, a flurry of stories came out in the MSM where the FBI denied ever telling anyone in Warren County that the terror alert (for only Warren County, by the way?) was '10'. Then.......no more stories about it.
The next MSM stories should've been to ask the Warren County officials, exactly which FBI agent said this? And, the FBI should be throwing someone in jail for lying.
How do these stories just fade away out of the news? Brad Blog even had stories about the Warren County lockdown. Where there any followups on the Brad Blog about pinning down whether is was the Warren County officials or the FBI lying? I mean, one of them was lying!
COMMENT #33 [Permalink]
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big dan
said on 8/2/2005 @ 4:49 am PT...
Question to KIRA: Should the hyperlink work while in "preview" (before you "post" it)? Because I definitely followed the instructions correctly.
COMMENT #34 [Permalink]
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Robert Lockwood Mills
said on 8/2/2005 @ 6:36 am PT...
Got a nose for the Noes and I'll bet
The real crook is Ms. Bernadette
She passed out the bounty, around Lucas county
To Blackwell's eternal regret
Most laundromats have a coin changer
But laundering gold is much stranger
Bernadette never guessed, it was fool's gold at best
Now the whole G.O.P. is in danger
COMMENT #35 [Permalink]
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Kira
said on 8/2/2005 @ 11:06 am PT...
Hi Big Dan #33
Yes it should work in the preview --- did you actually click on your link in the preview & let it open the page you tried to link? You should be able to do this as a check.
I'm perplexed about something - maybe VG or Brad will have to explain. I looked at the source code of this page - at your links in #25 - and I see the correct html format for your links to the Toledo blade articles and the correct html for making the links open in a new window. --- I say "correct" because I don't see what's stopping the links from working.
But - something "funny" happened on the way to the Forum!! I can't explain it. All I can say is try it again!
Here's a link to VG's description of how to make links and how to use the Community Assistant. [Valley Girl Explains] Start with #6 (she goes through much detail to help anyone who hasn't worked with computers/programming get started.)
PS I made these links using the "CA" - so you should try making another link to see what might have happened!
*These are the links Big Dan wanted to appear in his comment #25
July 2, 2005
October 12, 2004
COMMENT #36 [Permalink]
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Larisa
said on 8/2/2005 @ 8:49 pm PT...
Rush22:
It is correct that the document in question was sitting on the SOS web site for a long time. That said, no one had reported on it and I was not aware of it until early last week. I did not see the Kos post or I would have given them a link. But you cannot imagine that I wrote that piece in two hours, can you?
Also, Raw is not a blog and as such, we represent the news part of the cyber world and, again, I had not seen it reported before. But in all honesty, I have to agree with Kira in that the more the better and the louder.
Someone asked for a graphic to explain this better, here is my article on Baker / Carter, the graphic there should help you a bit in seeing the matrix, lol.
COMMENT #37 [Permalink]
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Larisa
said on 8/2/2005 @ 9:23 pm PT...
Rush22:
It is correct that the document in question was sitting on the SOS web site for a long time. That said, no one had reported on it and I was not aware of it until early last week. I did not see the Kos post or I would have given them a link. But you cannot imagine that I wrote that piece in two hours, can you?
Also, Raw is not a blog and as such, we represent the news part of the cyber world and, again, I had not seen it reported before. But in all honesty, I have to agree with Kira in that the more the better and the louder.
Someone asked for a graphic to explain this better, here is my article on Baker / Carter, the graphic there should help you a bit in seeing the matrix, lol.
COMMENT #38 [Permalink]
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Kira
said on 8/2/2005 @ 10:21 pm PT...
Hi Larisa! Gosh - there's sooo much information all over the blogosphere I commend you & RAW Story for your amazing ability to catch most of the important stories as they break! Kudos. (To Brad, too.)
Earlier today I sent the article from the link you posted in your comment #37 as a "refresher" course to read along with Brad's current story on the ACVR Rats. It's a great graphic and really helps in keeping track of the players.
As much as I'm flattered to get credit for the comment "the more, the better and the louder" (which I totally agree with) the credit belongs to wise woman Peggy (#8.)
You can credit me for calling you & Brad pit bulls for Democracy!! Rrrrrowf!
Keep up the good work.
Are you guys going to interview Paul Hackett? I hope he's planning to examine the election process for this Aug. 2 Ohio ... ummm ... was it another theft? Sure looked suspicious in many ways. AND, gee, those electronics are flaky in every election making "count every vote" impossible.
Somebody asked on one of these threads ... where's the emoticon for "throwing up?" Maybe we need one.
COMMENT #39 [Permalink]
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Doug Eldritch
said on 8/3/2005 @ 2:41 am PT...
Comment #39=spam
Special election was full of fishy results...fraud
Doug E.
COMMENT #40 [Permalink]
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vine
said on 8/3/2005 @ 12:08 pm PT...
COMMENT #41 [Permalink]
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Kira
said on 8/3/2005 @ 12:32 pm PT...
While unauditable electronic and already proved hackable machines --- owned by heavily partisan companies, configured secretly, and plagued by failure resulting in the loss of hundreds of thousands of votes nationwide are responsible for taking and tallying our votes all across the country --- I can never believe in the outcome of any election.
COMMENT #42 [Permalink]
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Larisa
said on 8/4/2005 @ 10:56 am PT...
Kira feel free to smack Brad around, he really likes that sort of thing.
I am not sure on Hackett at this point. I have interviews scheduled through the end of August, then by the time each is trancribed and organized and actually put together, that averages about one every 3 weeks when published. By the time I get to Hackett, we will be in another election, lol. I am looking for a news writer and just hired another one. So if I can find another person to work for me and take on some of the less investigative pieces off my back, I may be able to fit in more interviews and sleep, how about that?
Actually, we are looking for a news aggregator also. The person would take a block of 3-4 hours shifts and run through tips, and wirte stories to keep that part of the site updates at every 30 min point.
Let me know Kira, if you have or know of someone. You have my contact info:)
One more thing, did you see what that fool Richard Cohen at Wapo said about me? The bastard defended Miller and attacked me in his lolly-pop column. I spent an hour on The Tony Show yesterday, and we took dear Richard to task or rather, woman kicked man's ass:)
Hi all, back to bed, high fever.
COMMENT #43 [Permalink]
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Robert Lockwood Mills
said on 8/4/2005 @ 11:31 am PT...
COMMENT #44 [Permalink]
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Kira
said on 8/5/2005 @ 12:03 pm PT...
Larisa, sweetie --- you need to start taking LOTS of good buffered Vitamin C. Linus Pauling was a believer in mega doses. Even the msm had a recommendation several years ago for taking 1,000 mg. every 4 hr. until you reach a tolerance point - you'll know when that is by having to "run" if you catch my drift Echinacea and a good multi-vit also help. BTW, the Vit C method described above has really helped my husband when battling flu. AND get some REST!
I'll keep my eyes open for ya & maybe have someone who's interested.
Robert's great! Cool.
COMMENT #45 [Permalink]
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Tracy
said on 4/17/2006 @ 9:46 pm PT...
This evidence is all directly new, because the affidavits and memos are from the board of elections workers in Lucas County/Cleveland Ohio.