Small potatoes BUT - one potato, two potato, three potato, four; five potato, six potato, seven potato..."SCORE"!

It went on everywhere, and the cumulative weighting was massive.

This tells me some more things I think are key here....

Fraud in almost all levels happened on straight democratic tickets, and in "switched" votes from Kerry to Bush. I think it's entirely possible that they used this technique so that the MACHINES would register the votes, especially on op-scans as switcheroos....

How easy it was when the touch-screens were so manipulated. It just is more than obvious too.

Max

OT: speaking of news of the wierd, did people see this that I found through Raw Story?

"During the early morning of Septmeber 5, 1982, Johnny Gosch was kidnapped from a West Des Moines neighborhood while delivering newspapers. . . .

Last month, people on the internet and investigators like Rothstein began to believe a man who passed himself off as a White House reporter and known male prostitute Jeff Gannon could be Johnny Gosch."

If this is true then we can feel very sorry for Jeff (the Manuchurian Journalist?) Gannon.

http://www.kwwl.com/Global/story.asp?S=3393685

A good quote:
"Precinct records also indicate that several people were provided a second ballot because they spoiled the first one, but Brakey says he has contacted a handful of these people--and they deny it happened. Based on that, he believes poll workers cast at least some of these second votes."

That's a 2-for-1 special. 1 Kerry vote becomes 1 or even 2 Bush votes.

It's absurd that people like ACVR and the Baker-tainted election commission promote the idea of watching out for VOTER fraud, while ignoring ELECTION fraud.

We're supposed to believe that we need to be concerned about individual voters doing things that are likely ineffective at getting more votes to their candidate?

We're supposed to believe that individual voters have motivation to do these kinds of things, but the people who have power over how the votes are counted and who would directly benefit would never think of it? Come on!

Concern about VOTER fraud has a place, but it's place should be well below ELECTION fraud.

{ed note: Deleted. Same poster posting as different names. When he posts as Atty Jim again his posts will be allowed to stay.}

{ed note: Deleted. Same poster posting as different names. When he posts as Atty Jim again his posts will be allowed to stay.}

Election fraud must be exposed by the media. The bu$shit reich is so self-deceived that they think we were invited to Iraq and Afganistan.

When an MSM reporter, perhaps trying to get back to the good old days, asked pointed questions of "Beam me up Jeffie" Scottie McNews, he brushed it off in the most arrogant propaganda manner (link here) imaginable.

The reporter replied by asking him "Would you like to correct that incredible distortion of American history?"

But the good news is that an MSM reporter jumped dead into Scottie's bu$hit.

Trolls Urge the neocons to become purists and to stop raising the world's record amounts of bu$hit money for propaganda if you really think it is a no no.

Speaking of Ohio, seems "Coin-gate" continues to grow and grow. www.americablog.com has been covering this crazy story and it gets crazier everyday. The GOP can't be trusted with public funds OR counting votes in Ohio.

I'm in Iowa. The Johnny Gosch story was BIG here. His Mom was very angry about being stonewalled. It was incredible that there were no leads. His picture was everywhere, every day for months.

The evidence is piling up and this will explode in good time.

Everytime I think about what's happened, it's so hard to wrap your mind around it.

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RLM #3
Right you are on all counts. I wish I could shake your hand for being a courageous whistleblower. Not an easy road.

Soooo....I guess now it's maybe Gannon/Guckert/Gosch?
Golly!

"This Modern World" takes McClellan to task! Check it out:
This Modern World comic strip

RLM:

Once again, I submitted the story from Tucson to my local media via E-Mail.

And once again, they dismissed it with an autoreply thanking me for my effort.

There it ends. :angry:

good one, Fred #14.

It's 'diligently' and not 'dilligently.' Brad, do you even try to spell correctly? Thanks, however, for providing an example of how Liberalism has eroded America's education system.

Excellent point, Jump. Then again, we all know the Liberals are all for not having to work. Just sit on your butt and have others support your existence while you contribute nothing to the equation. Yea, that's the America I want. Not.

MrBlueSky,
Sorry, but what story from Tucson?

Oh, jeez, the stupidity award goes to me, haha! Please disregard that question!

Hey Brad, where did you learn web design? From an AOL chatroom? LOL

You should go to Pima or something and learn how.

Please don't feed the trolls...

There should be one repository type of website which lists all the different election complaints, types of complaints, types of fraud which were observed (or suspected), including the disregarding of exit poll numbers.

Even in my state in the race for Secretary of State the winner and loser EACH received more votes than John Kerry. The candidate for governor who won (a Democrat) also received more votes than Kerry. Amazing, eh?

We somehow managed to elect a new Democratic governor while increasing our margin of victory for Bush (from 2000 to 2004). How can this be?

Well, that it's within the range of possible it's easy to disregard as an anomaly. But, there are a lot of these all around the country.

As a senator in the recent filibuster debate asked, 'How can a Republican senator say such things without at least smiling?' It all boggles the mind.

re #17 Thanks for noticing that. It's been fixed.

My apologies for going OT here, but:
"I believe that the use of federal monies that end up destroying life is not - is not positive, it's not good," Mr. Bush said. "And so, therefore, I'm against the extension of the research, of using more federal dollars on new embryonic stem cell lines."
Whew! What a stretch! How about the zillions being poured into NOTHING BUT destroying life in the Middle East of late? Pro-embryo times pro-capital punishment times preemptive wars forever, while gutting pro-children and and pro-disadvantaged pro-retiree and pro-public programs in general equals compassionate conservatism. OK, I give up, my mind's been boggled. I suppose I should just give them what little money I have now and go live on some nice farm, hopefully at least out to stud...

This link says that a lot of voting law reformation is taking place at this time.

Some of it does not seem to be what is needed.

Praetorian....I thought that it was conservatives who liked getting rich off of other people's work.

Isn't that what "private accounts" for Social Security are all about... sinking honestly earned money into Wall Street so you can get pay some kid in the third world to work while you ride around in a limo.

Isn't that what our Silver Spoon Cowboy President was raised on? Going to Ivy League schools, getting boozed up, and bailed out.... while ordinary people work like slaves. Sniffing coke and ditching drug tests, while my relatives were trudging through the jungle.

Isn't that why the President wants to import more illegal aliens?

If I were you, I'd spend less time sniping at folks who are actually doing something to keep this country from turning into a Third World hell hole, and just be honest about what really has your panties in a twist:

Gov. To End Viagra Reimbursement For Sex Offenders
http://www.webpronews.co...mentForSexOffenders.html

I know it's not fair, but think of it as a way for you to develop as a whole person. You can learn to fingerpaint or something.

Hey Praetorian:

How much are you being paid for each of these troll posts?

Talk about "Just sit on your butt and have others support your existence while you contribute nothing to the equation."

This is interesting. It's a breakdown of the voters in this country and apparently there are more anti-war liberals than any other single group.

Pew Label Defined As Percentage of the Electorate

Enterprisers Staunch conservatives 11
Social Conservatives Religious, critical of business 13
Pro-Government Conservatives Struggling social conservatives 10
Liberals Secular, antiwar 19
Disadvantaged Democrats Social welfare loyalists 10
Conservative Democrats Latter-day New Dealers 15
Upbeats Positive outlook, moderate 13
Disaffecteds Working class, discouraged 10

SOURCE: Pew Research Center for the People and the Press

Really guys, don't feed the trolls please. It is negative energy spent when we can just continue a positive conversation.

Hi, Czaragorn #25 - Yes, his brain is mostly dead - probably from all the drugs, boozing and avoidance of all vaguely intricate thought processes. And this is the best the republicans could come up with for the job of President? You know their intentions had to be sheer stupidity, or sheer corruption, or both!

What this tells me is that the G.O.P. is able to steal votes in a variety of ways. Fooling with provisional ballots, marking "spoiled" on a ballot, throwing it out and substituting another, switching a Libertarian to a Republican, whatever...Karl Rove and his crew leave no stone unturned. Yes, it's systematic.

That's why it's a joke to talk about paper trails, or even all paper ballots. Both are improvements at the margin, but it's futile to assume they will prevent stolen elections in 2006 and 2008. Rove will always be a step ahead. The only way to fix the problem is to for independent prosecutors with unlimited subpoena powers and generous budgets to seek out and indict those who commit election fraud. Those people must go to jail. We must have a zero-tolerance policy toward election thievery, and that includes Democratic thieves as well.

Yes, Democrats do it too. Just not as well or as often as Republicans. U.S. elections have become like Wall Street, where I spent 28 years before being fired for blowing the whistle on a scandal. The
unspoken credo on Wall Street has always been,
"Do whatever you have to do, just don't get caught." Substitute the word "elections" for Wall Street in that sentence and you get the picture. Wall Street crooks never stop of their own free will, and election crooks won't either.

RLM -

You are a good and faithful "disillusionimati!" Let's all be *very* cynical. Let's all, also, be very angry and ready to do battle. Maybe literally.

There were 21,084 undervotes in New Mexico and through the discovery phase of the existing lawsuit against the Secretary of State (SOS) and County Clerk for disenfranchisement of the voter from their vote we may find out why.

We had a large disproportionate amount of undervotes with DRE's and
Hispanic voters had a 500% chance that their vote for president would NOT be counted; African American voters had a 900% chance that their vote would NOT be counted;
Native American voters had a 1000% chance that their vote would Not be counted, compared to white voters. Of the 21,084 under votes or votes not counted for president, 87% were voters of color.

Statistical data is from analyzing the canvassing the SOS office provide to the Green Party when they and Recount America tried to recount New Mexico. Info at: http://www.uvotenm.org/info.html

Software driven machines have now become a menace to democracy.
If we have open source software the machine has hardare, such as modems, AC power line highband communications, and a device called the malware loader that can run a machine and leave no detectable evidence that votes were modified or corrupted.

The lawsuit has to be supported and if it gets enough support it will have national implications and set a precedent for corrupt electronic voting systems-HELP!! The lawyers are great and one represented Bev Harris against Diebold and won, so we have hope. The problem is the legal and political system will not receive this suit lightly or permit it if they can stop it. It has to be more popularized. It has to be better funded and tied to all the other calls for election reform and election fraud.

Please let me know if you think you can help.

This is a formal investigation and rebuttal to a pro DRE advocate, Shamos. There are so many really informative points to consider that once read you may feel, as I do, that we need to go back to paper ballots and hand counts.

http://www.openvotingcon...g/ad/shamos-rebuttal.pdf

From the pdf above:
"3.1.2 Cheating with Hardware * The Malware Loader What is *hardware-based cheating*? It is a kind of cheating that uses special firmware89 in concert with a communications device. Its most obvious form is a *malware90 loader.* Such a loader can operate even if the originally-loaded voting application and the operating system are completely free of cheating code. It makes only one demand on the voting application: that it make periodic calls to a function whose address is fixed and known to the firmware91 (the *periodic function*). An application might make such a call for a variety of legitimate purposes, such as to update the time on the display, make an audit entry, flush data to disk, animate a logo, and so forth, so its presence would not trigger any suspicion during review. The loader does not care what the function does; it could simply return. It is only necessary that the application call it periodically.

Cheating proceeds thusly: The vendor places the malware loader*s code in some piece of firmware. Assume, for this argument, that the vendor chooses the video BIOS. That is, it modifies the BIOS code that writes to the video display to also call the malware loader. When it is called,92 the loader monitors the system*s concealed communications device for a *cheating signal.* When it detects this signal, it disables interrupts on the CPU, which prevents anything (including the operating system) from interfering with its task. Next, it loads a *malware bootstrap* into an unused area of memory.93 When it has done so, it modifies the first instruction of the periodic function to be a jump to the beginning of the malware bootstrap. Then it purges the CPU*s caches and instruction pipeline to ensure that the CPU can see the malware bootstrap, re-enables interrupts, and returns to its caller.94"

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This is possible in every DRE's or scanner's hardware (sounds like an EPROM chip) that can operate free of software programing and alter the machine's function, return to "normal operating," and be undetectable.

This rebuttal paper also talks about triggering mechanisms that could cause the machine to do specific tasks by remote action. An election can have desired gains for their candidate and they do nothing, or the election is going badly and they can "call" into the machine and activate vote casting and count changes, and when done the process is not traceable.

They are saying that even if you inspect the software in the machine you may or probably will not find evidence of corruption. The software can be reloaded into the machine in seconds to be the version the inspectors are looking for, and the cheat above does not use software to work and corrupt the election.

Elections are getting much easier to corrupt than we imagined they were or will be.

Republican modus operandi: stack the elections boards, stack the voting machines, stack the judges, now we have stack the juries:

In N.H. case, Frist aide tries for jury of partisans

BigTobacco, only a Liberal would act under the ASSumption that nobody wanted to invest their Social Security TAXES into a private investment account. It's THEIR money, not YOURS, so what gives you or anyone else the right to tell them what they CAN and CANNOT do with it? That's the whole point that you idiots are missing. It's OPTIONAL, just like it being OPTIONAL for you to be an IDIOT. I suppose that's the part you Liberals have trouble with - it's OPTIONAL, not a ridiculous government mandated TAX placed on your "honestly earned money."

czaragorn #25.

Right on.

"Culture of life", like all things Bush - the words, the slogans, the PR, the ad campaigns - carefully chosen to be opposite the truth.

Bushism is the culture of death.

Casey #32 -

More power to the N.M. investigation!

However, I'm a bit puzzled by the following quote from your post...

"We had a large disproportionate amount of undervotes with DRE's and
Hispanic voters had a 500% chance that their vote for president would NOT be counted; African American voters had a 900% chance that their vote would NOT be counted;..."

I believe that "a 100% chance" denotes a certainty; thus, I don't believe anything higher is possible. Did you not, perhaps, intend to say that these people's votes had a X00% greater LIKELIHOOD of being dropped from the vote count than the votes of whites?

Hi Fellow Auditors and Patriots, some minor corrections on article and some other news.

I'm not completely happy with the article, few minor mistakes, such as “party poll watcher" NO, I was a Cluster Captain had 4 PCT, 3 were run by Theocons. "Brakey admits" NO I stated and I was never was “escorted”… “board workers” no, poll workers, more little things like that..

Knew by 3:30PM election was being stolen, that when I started investigating. Next morning on Democracy Now, Greg Palast said "Check garbage" found ballot tabs, did they tell a story.

I guess article not so bad, the message is there…media is hard to get… at least people know there were bad problems in Arizona. It looks … Incidents of Election irregularities per capita, Arizona ranks 3rd (NM ranks 1st) Ohio was 8th.

What we having coming next will really blow people away, because of the solid proofs that we're putting together. Every count of fraud will be built into Exhibits and we're going to have over 150 counts of fraud just in one PCT, we’re going to try to make this easy to view by hyper-linking of a master index. Then after this is done, Carl Rove’s and his Mini me ‘Nathan Sproul’ Fraud Cook Book.

Other News;
Arizona the training ground for “HAVAGATE”?

Provisional ballot in Arizona, go back to the early mid 1980ty, first were called “Questionable ballots” and Arizona may have been the first state to ever use them. All done the same way as HAVA now works nationally today.

The Early Ballot goes back to 1991 or 92 and at first was called Absentee Ballots.

Nathan Sproul, former head of the Arizona Republican Party and of the Arizona Christian Coalition [1]. Involved with gathering Nader signatures in AZ in 2004 [2]. Sproul is connected with the Republican National Committee- and was funded, just released as of April 18th $5,578,456 the 11th largest expense for GOP. Before this date it was reported about $600,000 [link]

Just for his voter registration organization he was paid $1,758,304 got in trouble in many swing states. The biggest part was paid for Political consulting $3,820,152. The largest payment was made on Nov 1st for $1,668,733 and Oct 28th $640,452. Then on Nov 8th $467,620.Tthis not reported till 4/18/05.

Christian Coalition took over the leadership and force out real old style Goldwater type conservatives and moderate Republican in Arizona by 1994; leading up to the election of Senator John Kyl, also knows as “Senator Strangelove”. [link]

Arizona GOP is firmly controlled by the Rapture-right.
See film, explains how they did it in many states: [link]

GOP Election primaries, voter turnout of their Christian followers, expertise in early ballots requests forms, phone bank push polling, and not all early ballots requests turned in.

Other new facts that we are following up on and working on exposing.

•Secretary of State Jan Brewer, was the Co-chair for Bush Election in Arizona, as powerful as Blackwell and Harris. Brewer also is an Eaglets, part of Eagle Forum which is connected to The Council for National Policy “CNP” member Phyllis Schlafly's group Eagle Forum, Schlafly known as the “Big Eagle” has pushed a few eaglets out of nest here in Arizona. Among them are AZ Sen. Marilyn Jarrett, Karen Johnson, and Jan Brewer.

•Secretary of State Jan Brewer through Sen. Marilyn Jarrett introduced Bill SB 1342 in the Arizona Senate that now allow electronic voting machines without a voter-verifiable paper trail and would allow the certification of unproven equipment.

•Both Jan Brewer & Nathan Sproul were with President Bush and Rove in the Whitehouse Christmas party Dec 5th 2004 even though Sproul was under charges for in various states for election violations.

•Listen here about voter suppression efforts and Sproulgate.

•Found this strange so I confirmed it with two sources, that every Election-day while they are running Early Ballots, a bomb squad clears the 8th floor of Election Department and checks for bombs. Early ballots are about 47% of the voting in Pima County. By that time a large part of the Early Ballots are run, but are not tabulated till closing of polls. Firmed this up with head Inspector of Voter Registration in the Pima County Recorder’s office. Last week I called a friend in the Pima County Attorney Office, he confirms this too.

Auditor John R Brakey
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Barry Goldwater “Now those who seek absolute power, even though they seek it to do what they regard as good, are simply demanding the right to enforce their own version of heaven on earth, and let me remind you they are the very ones who always create the most hellish tyranny:”

Sorry I fed the trolls tonight. Don't usually do that.Looks like the evidence is too hard to ignore. It's everywhere. If the media continues to ignore the news and becomes more and more irrelevant..BushCo will be happy. They are trying to destroy every institution we hold dear. Turning family members against each other..hatred for the church because of a fringe element, distrust in govt..The triumph is the blogosphere. They didn't think that would happen because they want so desperately to live in the dark ages...not slaves but serfs. So blogging never crossed their minds. Not only getting real news out, but building community. I believe in America.

@praetorian... The stock market historically follows the economy. In other words... you'd be effected by economic growth/slow-down the same as everyone else... even on private accounts.

The only real option you have is whether you want your money to go through wall street bankers or not.

Of course... a big problem with Bush when it comes to Social Security is the fact he is trying to use SS trust funds to cripple the SS system by advertising against it and misleading the public. - That much you don't have an option on... and whether you're an "IDIOT" or not... whether you're pro or against... you're getting shafted over SS because of Bush...

yes... even "genuises" like you Praetorian!!!

Peg #36

If you have 10 whites vote and 1 vote out of 10 is not counted for president you would have a 10% undervote. Hispanics had six times that of white voter's undervotes or out of 10 votes 6 were not counted or 60%. 60% is 600% more than 10%, or six times the total that white voter's vote was not counted. Black voters had 9 times more votes NOT counted for president or a 900% chance their vote would NOT be counted for president, and Native Americans had 10 times more votes NOT count for president or 1000% greater chance of having their vote for president NOT counted than white voters. Canvassing statistics from the Secretary of State's office supplied the data for these APARTHEID and RACIST voting practices in New Mexico.

One thing I'd like to know: is it typical for secretaries of state to run presidential election campaigns in their states? Do both parties do it? I think this is very, very important, because it's a blatant conflict of interest.

Another thing I'd like to know: if NM was #1 in election anomalies, why did Richardson help block recount efforts? NM could have been the state where the code was difinitively broken. He is a Dem, right? Is this a clear admission that the Dems cheat as much as the Pubs and this is why they are not rallying to the Stolen Election flag?

Mr. Brakey, thankyou for your efforts.

re #37: great post! Thanks, John. Keep up the good work!

Phil #42

I think we all better take a closer look and realize that just because someone calls him/herself a "Dem" does NOT mean they are holding true to the true idealogy of the Democratic Party.

I believe something awful. I believe there is a serious attempt to make this a One-Party ruled country and the takeover is happening by the neo-theo-CONs masquerading as Democrats in order to control all seats of power.

Look at the BOE officials who were supposed to be Democrat, yet after examination of their Party affiliation over the years you will see they strangely (& conveniently) switch back & forth.

Bill Richardson has a terrible record for holding to the Democratic Party's ideals and is responsible for implementing the black box voting machines throughout NM. I think he's a schill.

Dem. (supposedly) Cathy Cox, the SOS of GA pushed unauditable (paperless) DREs into every county of GA. I view her as more Republican than Democrat, and she will be running for Governor in 2006. Now we can vote for her or a Republican candidate :shrug:

Does anyone else see this happening all over?

Additionally (to my #44), far too many Americans don't pay attention to their local government.

Diane Keaton on Election Day in LA

Not just in LA, but everywhere. People may laugh when you mention "mind control", but that's exactly what's being used on us globally.

**I'm The Slime**
Frank Zappa

I am gross and perverted, I'm obsessed and deranged,
I have existed for years, but very little has changed.
I'm the tool of the government and industry too,
For I am destined to rule and regulate you.
I may be vile and pernicious, but you can't look away,
I make you think I'm delicious with the stuff that I say.
I'm the best you can get.
Have you guessed me yet?
I'm the slime oozing out from your TV set.

You will obey me while I lead you
With the garbage that I feed you,
Till the day that we don't need you.
Don't go for help, no-one will heed you!

Your mind is totally controlled,
It has been stuffed into my mould.
And you will do as you are told
Until the rights to you are sold.

"That's right folks, don't touch that dial"

Well I am the slime from your video, oozing along on your
living room floor.
I am the slime from your video, can't stop the slime people
look at me go.

Kira #44: "Does anyone else see this happening all over?"

Yep. Anyone who is watching sees it whether they care to admit it or not. It's more concentrated at the highest levels, too, and in my view it is the most plausible explanation for the fact that during the most dishonest and most catastrophic administration of any of our lifetimes, and in the midst of not one but TWO bogus wars, the Democrats didn't even manage to field an anti-war candidate.

Winter Patriot - I've been mulling over the "head scratchers" and my conclusion is this - when things really don't make any sense, we're not able to see the agenda or the gameboard. That's when we have to look into the bowels of nefarious affairs. Ick.

"Ick" is right, Kira

For Phil: Richardson stonewalled investigations into fraud in New Mexico because he realized both parties were guilty of it. Since the G.O.P. is better at fraud than the Democrats, it's very probable that Kerry won the state. But with all kinds of flim-flam there, from registration problems to ballot irregularities, it would have taken months to straighten it all out (as with the Washington governor's race).

Richardson has ambitions for 2008. He knew a full-scale investigaton would show incompetent and dishonest people were involved in the state's election machinery (on both sides). As governor, that would have embarrassed him and hurt his chances for 2008. He's just a selfish politician.

John R Brakey #37 Thanks for the adjustments and heads up.

Good work.

Kira #45 Thanks for posting a little Zappanese lyrics.

I saw him interviewed live on TV in the 60's.

He had on a dirty tee shirt, rips and holes in some places; his raunchy hair and beard were at maximum Mothers of Invention style.

The straight laced conservative reporter was asking him about all these rebellious kids marching in the streets. They were anti-war.

Zappa made a sarcastic comment about the protesters in an obvious tactic which the reporter believed and bit on.

"What do you think they should do then", the reporter asked Zappa. "I think they stop marching, go shopping, and then wear good clean clothes and get a hair cut", Zappa replied.

There was a loud silence as the reported struggled with a dazed and confused look on his face.

There was a loud silence as the reporter struggled with a dazed and confused look on his face.

So John Kerry won New Mexico!!!
So John Kerry won Ohio!!!!
Who will tell the people?????

You just did, Jerry. Thanks for filling in for the mainstream media on this one.

They've been kind of asleep at the switch on election fraud, you know...except the kind they have in Ukraine, which everyone has heard about.

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John Brakey has been kind enough to e-mail me with specifics on his work. It's highly technical stuff; I'd suggest we need more computer gurus and engineers on bradblog to help us spread the word to the media intelligently. I'm beginning to wonder if one of our problems with the press and TV is that the complexities of the stolen 2004 election are beyond the comprehension of all but a very few reporters.

College roommates? Next-door neighbors? The guy at the high-school reunion we always thought was a nerd? We need you now. Calling all technicians! It's time to come to the aid of your country.

Thanks for the input on Richardson. I hate to think that way, but it seems unavoidable. In particular, for some reason I want to think well of Kerry, but supposedly he is pals with Richardson and I don't think he's said anything about the non-recount in NM.

Nice Zappa lyrics.

I think it is a very good point that the technical aspects are too deep formany. that seems to be one of the strategies - slog down the obvious in oceans of technicality.

I totally agree with what you're saying. I wish more people felt this way and took the time to express themselves. Keep up the great work.

Kevin Daniels
http://www.sonycomputerscenter.com