“The audacity of some members to stand up and say, how dare you break this rule. It’s the equivalent of Adolf Hitler in 1942 saying ‘I’m in Paris. How dare you invade me. How dare you bomb my city? It’s mine.'” — Future Ex-Senator Rick Santorum (R-PA) on the floor of the U.S. Senate today, comparing Democrats to Adolf Hitler in regards to their interest of retaining the 214 year old Senate Fillibuster rules.
RAW STORY has the full quote.
Shadow TV has the video.
Atrios has the context (MoveOn.org has been under fire by the wingnuts for hosting an ad submitted by someone else to their “Bush In 60 Seconds” which compared Bush to Hitler, and which MoveOn.org immediately removed. The RNC has been hosting it and using it for months since then).
Atrios also points out this recent quote from Santorum:
“Senator Byrd’s inappropriate remarks comparing his Republican colleagues with Nazis are inexcusable,” Santorum said in a statement yesterday. “These comments lessen the credibility of the senator and the decorum of the Senate. He should retract his statement and ask for pardon.”
Would you like some crow with that hubris, Senator?
Finally (though we suspect we’ll be hearing more about all of this soon!), Blogenlust has still more on Republicans and their phony Hitler Outrage.
Another visit to the innerSantorum.
A cold and dank place.
He is right. You people are like Nazis.
Additionally, you hate our military because they vote conservative and most voted for Bush.
You you will do anything you can to humiliate them, hurt their morale; and end up getting them killed by giving aid and comfort to the same Islamic crazies that would gladly murder every member of the Godless left in America. All because the voted for Bush.
You are a sad bunch of sickos.
Shasta – (1) YOU ARE THE NAZIS. (2) The troops want to get out of the hellhole in Iraq. (3) Bush put them there for corporate oil and profits (4) Bush is a proven liar and murderer of innocent American soldiers (5) Bush hates the soldiers and knows they will suffer death and lifetime disability from depleted uranium (6) Bush is a war criminal (7) Bush is a coward who refused to serve in Vietnam (8) You need to educate yourself (8) You are being used and abused by Bush and you don’t even know it (9) you have been brainwashed (10) Good luck. You really need it.
Sorry, Shasta, but none of your "trolling points" has any truth to it. Not a single one!
We are not like Nazis. Neither the Democrats who want to preserve the filibuster nor the posters at this blog are anything like the Nazis.
We do not hate our military. We hate the policies of those who control it. Big difference.
We have no idea who the military personnel voted for and neither do you. Nobody knows how many people voted for or against Bush. That’s one of the sweet mysteries of recent American elections and one of the main reasons why we are here.
None of us at the Brad Blog has ever done or will ever do anything to humiliate our troops, or to hurt their morale. We are not the ones sending them into harm’s way with inadequate armor and based on lies. What sets us apart is that we recognize what you seem not to have noticed, that their main enemies are based in the White House and the Pentagon, not in Iraq.
People in Iraq are getting killed by bombs and bullets, not by aid and comfort, still less by a bit of political dissent at home. That’s an old canard and the fact that you are still repeating it doesn’t do much for your credibility.
Finally, we are not a sad bunch of sickos but we do recognize unwarranted broad-brush ad-hominem attacks for what they are: worthless.
As a former teacher I am sorry to burst your bubble, but if I were marking your essay I would give you zero for content and not much more for style. I wouldn’t even encourage you to do a re-write. I think you have reached your full potential. See ya!
Hey shasta,
Grab a gun and get fighting, chickenhawk. Nothing says I love the troops more than pushing kids into battle while you pick their pockets.
And those same Islamic Crazie were LOVED by your fraud God Reagan. He loved the shit out of Saddam when he was gassing Iranians. It must’ve brought a tear to your eye watching Rumsfeld shake his hand.
Wow, it really stuns the whole belief system when a Republican accuses Democrats of acting like Hitler. I would suppose they just don’t see how incredibly Nazi-like their whole process has been from the top – from rigging and stealing the election – both 2000 and 2004, from jumping on the 911 disaster and using it to political ends to push the nation into supporting draconian laws, to whipping up an entire phony context for invading another country (Iraq), to coming up with a way to save Social Security by gutting it and handing the billions to wall street cronies…. It’s absolutely stunning (but somehow not even remotely surprising) that they turn around and attack the Demos as Nazis! Staggers the imagination.
And Shasta! Wow, you are exactly the mindless drone that they are counting on to march in lockstep toward the New Reichstadt. They really do count on you folks that can’t see the incredible sell-out of America. Will you have to actually smell the bodies burning in the ovens before you begin to wonder what in the heck is going on. Or even then, maybe not. You’ve seen the pictures of the carnage, of the staggering abuses at the hands of Americans in the prisons. So, congrats on stepping up to the plate and openly displaying your mindless obedience to the New Fascist regime. Hope you get an arm band or something as they sell your nation and your future down the river!
Onward!
Shasta – good name… Kind of like that foul-tasting, second rate imitation soft drink.
You know, when I studied WWII and the Holocaust in school, I just could not figure out how a large group of people could let their soul be lost to such an insidious leader and his cause. But lately, when I listen to Shasta and his cohorts who would rather fight the indefensible fight instead of daring to think for themselves, I can see how something like the Holocaust happened.
The Rude Pundit said today:
"So the Rude Pundit says fuck ’em. Bring it, as Harry Reid, the smallest man with the biggest balls on the Hill, said. There will be hell to pay in 2006 between this, Schiavo, the war, Social Security, and more. Let the fuckers push the red button and see ’em get turned into shadows on the Capitol wall."
Gotta love the Rude Pundit.
The Democrats may act like Hitler, but at least they don’t rape German Shepherds.
BTW Rude Pundit is great, though he mostly doesn’t care what I think, and although I am not as sanguine as he. I agree, let them push that button, but in my case it is more that I am sick of constantly trying to ward off the disaster that one day must come, due to the sick Bushism that infects this nation. I use "Bushism" as a term for what goes all the way back to Reaganism and which now has totally consumed the flesh of the former Republican Party. Let us get it over with as quickly as we can, but do not expect to see for while the tail of the tsunami wave that will engulf us.
If it goes more quickly, like the instant vaporization from an atomic blast, I was wrong, and thankfully so.
Shasta – Thanks for stopping by! Perhaps you’ll lean something here. If nothing else, see the ad at right for OpTruth.org which I post gratis. The slogan is "Really support the truth – Listen to them".
To that end, you may want to listen to Marine Sgt. Richard Meehan who I interviewed on last week’s BRAD SHOW radio program. He’s just back from Iraq where he lost three fingers fighting your war while being blown up in an unarmored humvee two years after this war began.
He, as I, (along with the scores of other troops who are part of OpTruth.org) think your "President" is doing a crappy job and endangering our troops and the world through his reckless, irresponsible policies.
The interview is here [MP3], if you actually give a damn about educating yourself.
It’s time to stop projecting on all of us Shasta, we who do not agree with the extreme radical right are not like Hitler.
It is the extreme radical right itself, who is in fact like Hitler. Their fourth reich idealism is exposed before the whole world now.
They wish to put the most extreme of judges on the bench, they wish to close down the Senate, and they are showing their true colors before the world.
Their ferocity is only mimmicked by the fact the people are awake now to their plans, and their lust for power. I will not stand by, nor will I allow, these people to forcably change the democracy of our country.
http://www.dispatch.com/news-st...212-B1-00.html
http://www.thousandreasons.org/...?article_id=13
http://www.buzzflash.com/interv...04_Palast.html
http://www.cronus.com/electionfraud/
http://www.votersunite.org
http://rigged-aggregators.blogspot.com
http://americablog.blogspot.com
http://www.freepress.org/column...ay/3/2005/1116
http://huffingtonpost.com
http://www.chicagotribune.com/n...inionvoice-hed
May be time for you to read some articles.
Matt
It’s becoming pretty clear that all these guys are reading off the
same talking points.
That was written by David Sirota
http://www.davidsirota.com/2005...l-to-nazi.html
(http://www.davidsirota.com/2005...l-to-nazi.html)
We can expect more of this kind of talk–the GOPhermob think that they have a stranglehold on power so the wraps are coming off and the demented minds are running amuck.
It can only get worse, their polls are tanking and fear is replacing any spot of sense remaining and Shasta will erupt.
Fred, there’s only one problem with your post. We haven’t yet figured out a way to prevent the G.O.P. from rigging the 2006 elections; until we do, the factors you cite that should help the Democrats regain control of Congress might be meaningless.
Exposing election fraud and punishing those reponsible for it precedes all other issues.
Robert Lockwood Mills: "Exposing election fraud and punishing those reponsible for it precedes all other issues"
Gordon H.: "And Shasta! Wow, you are exactly the mindless drone that they are counting on to march in lockstep toward the New Reichstadt. They really do count on you folks that can’t see the incredible sell-out of America"
Well said!
Chin up all ye who dispair! Fox "News" ratings are plummeting even faster than King George the Lying Hearted’s approval ratings!
This filthy Kitchen Cabinet and their enablers in the MSM can only get away with serving up steaming platefuls of Crap Ala King George and Feces Au Rotten for so long before even the Repugnantcan faithful begin to ask: "what the fuck is this shit we’ve been eating?"
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Tempted You forgot to quote the people.
Your president is at the lowest level imaginable. Even tho no war president has ever been voted out officially before, he has now been voted out.
And we have also voted out democrats who are in reality more-of-the-same neocons.
Out with the neocons … they suck. When you realize you are a neocon vote yourself out.
Then come join us. We are the people and we care none for this hypocrisy.
We care for peace, justice, and the true american way of caring for others.
Hi Brad.
Thanks for this post.
It seems to me that Mr. Santorum is getting quite desperate. There is no secret that he (#3 man in the neo con Senate leadership) is the most vulnerable Republican. He is running way behind the presumed Democrat (a very popular Attorney General I think. Correct me if I am wrong.)
The good people of Pennsylvania want him out because he is too far off of mainstream.
Expect more of his lashing out in the near future.
An open letter to Shasta:
Dear Shasta,
Thanks for your comments above (Post #2).
I can certainly appreciate differences of opinion (our political and philosophical discourse of freedom and democracy is dependent upon it). However, vitriol is not appreciated by anyone.
In fact, there are times when I have not completely agreed with Mr. Friedman and Friends. I have been blogging here since last December when Brad rightfully exposed the fraud in the past election.
I consider myself one of the most moderate of people on this weblog. And yet, I have received my comeuppance as well from this blog for my support for Senator McCain. Yet I stick around because I cannot stand anyone making a pure greedy power grab. I don’t condone it with the Republicans in DC when they take over all levers of the government and force a radical right winged agenda on the public. And I do not condone it with the Democrats here in Washington State who are doing likewise to the Republicans.
Rather, I believe in a purely Hegelian Dialectic method of governance: The Republicans should provide one bill (Hegel’s thesis) and the Democrats provide another bill (Hegel’s antithesis.) The arguments should be negotiated as equals and the resulting compromise legislation (Hegel’s synthesis) should be the one that gets passed. This requires that no one may issue a purely vitriol-filled diatribe and that all parties involved negotiate in good faith. (This is currently happening with moderates in both parties on the filibuster issue but is not expected to complete in time to execute the final agreement.)
Until we see more of a balance in all areas of government, I will continue to rail against the Republicans in Washington, DC here on this blog and against the Democrats in other statewide venues (letters to the editor of the Seattle Post Intelligencer for example).
Thanks again for your thoughts. However, I would prefer heavier on the theory and lighter on the venom.
I know – I am just an idealist.
Shasta is correct. The left in America hates our soldiers and is trying to get them killed and helping our enemies win totally in retaliation for their overwhelming support and voting for Bush.
God BLESS OUR SOLDIERS and GOD BLESS BUSH!
Retraction Santorum is trying to get a grip by a retraction (link here).
ShastaIRright #20 Shasta is a right wingnut who, like you, thinks that by saying something that makes it so.
Shasta is wrong and so are you.
You make an ad hominem falsehood by saying the left hates our soldiers. Why not cite some facts?
Like the fact that it is the left who is criticising Rummy for not sending armor plating on the humvees which ends up making the soldiers look thru the garbage for armor so they can themselves put armor on the vehicles.
Like the fact that Haliburton, meanwhile, is soaking the hell out of the cash flow that could be buying armor for humvees?
Like the fact that Rummy sent thousands of "we are sorry your kid is dead" letters without signing them and instead putting a computer printed signature on them?
Interesting #20
Do you call yourself Christian?
Question — has Mr. Santorum immersed himself in studies of Hitler enough to be able to quote him on the fly during a moment of passion?
I’ve had to read & re-read this quote made by Santorum because it really seems to me he is describing the republicans who are holding the power (the city … it’s mine.) Otherwise — if he meant the Democrats were complaining about the republicans "bombing the city" (Constitution,) then the reference to Hitler was totally off-base. ???
What a confusing comment! I keep thinking this was some sort of Freudian slip. Did he allow us to see into the inner workings of his mind? Are the CONS becoming rattled?
Oh, and by the way Brad, where did you find this lovely photo of Mr. S? If photographs really do capture part of the spirit, we can see for sure what a goober he is!
Santorum was wrong to make the Nazi analogy. I do not agree with it. We Americans, on either side of the aisle,
ought not to be calling each other Nazis. It’s over the top, and it belittles the memories of the millions who lost their lives in that War. A more apt comparison would be the Nazis to the Islamic terrorists. Only they are worse.
The Nazis wanted to live.
#20 SHASTAIRRIGHT
Is that Shasta squared?
Or Return of the clone of Shasta?
Or Shasta air tight?
It is always good to travel with your own
pom pom girls.
Whatever it takes to take total domination of Congress right TEMPTED? Go ahead agree with yourself. The Bush administration is a UNITED STATES PROBLEM. A lack of independent free thinkers who care about this country, it’s citizens, and the world is the biggest problem in Congress right now wheather they are called themselves Democrat or Republican. Back to the Republican Bush EMPIRE agenda. When this administration goes down (and they will), I hope the American people recongnize how many dumbass loser followers like yourself there really are in light of the evidence and truths that surround you.
I love it when the news media focuses on these rolling eyed, frothing at the mouth fanatics..give Santorum and Frist all the coverage they want…put them up their in all their glorified nucking futs raving, ranting rabid glory…it lets the majority of real Americans, the moderates see them for what they are….right up there with Oral Roberts, Jimmy Swaggert, Zell Miller and the other 15% of complete fanatics trying to take over the country…sure makes the more sane Americans "move away" from these mentally deficient, disturbed individuals, knowing they are certainly not speaking for the majority, just the fanatic fringe nut-cases that Reagen kicked out of the "brick house hospitals" in one of his "tax cuts"
Dredd # 21
Thanks for the link.
Ah so, Santorum offers up the good old ‘no offense’ defense as a means of dramatic retreat.
How does: "Piss on your head, Rick!" work for a dramatic rebuttal? It’s a defensive offense.
Jose Chung #24
I’ve been wondering for some time now … are you the author of this article?
6,000 Pro-Life Marchers Hit the Streets In San Francisco
6,000 Pro-Life Marchers Hit the Streets In San Francisco
BY JOSE CHUNG
I saw Sen. Byrd’s speech that he made live on CSPAN. It was brilliant. He took the floor, said his piece, covered all the bases and made strong valid points. Rick Santorum, I am embarassed to say, is a Sen from my home state. While Byrd seemed to have a direction and a point – it seems that Santorum is strictly trying to spread venom and hypocrisy. There you go, something new and different. How about having Bush retract his phony presidency and ask pardon from Americans and the world for his embarassing and wrongful words and behavior? While we are at it – how about all of the neo-cons asking pardon for trouncing all over our constitutional rights and freedoms?
The republicans typically compare democrats to nazis for tactical reasons. The tactic goes: always accuse your opponents of doing what you are doing or planning to do. Then while they deny it, you do it, and when they accuse you of doing it you ignore them or call them "political" or claim they are simply trying to "get even".
This is the same kind of tactic that gives us ACVR claiming voter fraud by democrats as a smokescreen for election fraud by republicans.
The republicans are trying to implement a fascist agenda with tactics — especially propaganda tactics — very reminiscent of 1930s Germany. Therefore as cover they accuse the democrats of acting like nazis.
Please read Harvey Wasserman’s "Senator Byrd is correct to equate Bush with Hitler"
It just occurred to me that a nice anagram for Senator Frist is Treason First
I love Harvey Wasserman! Thanks for the link, WP.
Anybody who has been watching the bu$hco MO for the last few years, should be expecting their finger-pointing tactics. I remember the schoolyard bully tactics – they would quickly try to pin their own crimes on someone else before it had been noticed by the teachers or other students. Hey! These are the same guys!!
Czaragorn #32
Amazing! I’d never before noticed that Senator equated Treason — however — now that you mention it … hmmm.
There are 100 possibilities, but treason needn’t be a single word in each one – my next project is to write a poem using anagrams of senators – If anyone else is so inclined, I’m ready to take on all comers – the more lines the better, iambic pentameter preferred, like that… The prize is a magnum of moet to be sprayed on the million tinfoil hat parade outside the Capitol…
# 35 czaragorn: "my next project is to write a poem using anagrams of senators"
LOL amigo ! I’m still having trouble using regular words! 😉
Loved this quote….(in a letter to Bush)
12.Contrary to what you have been told by your underlings, Saddam could not have been all that bad a ruler of Iraq, or the Iraqi people would have been giving him the same shit storm they are giving the US occupation
Love that quote, Chabuka – it’s so telling.
WP #36 – I’m with you! LOL!
Ever notice, these rightwing GOP zeolates like Santorum look like cross-eyed inbreds? That guy from that 6-day-old GOP non-partisan voter’s right’s group looks like that, too. What’s with the cross-eyes with these guys??? They look like they’re a little "slow"……..
WP #31 As you know I have hesitated to put all republicans in the same boat. Or all democrats.
After all both parties run against other party members in primaries. The fact that such primaries can be quite heated is evident by studying the Bush v McCain campaigns in the primaries.
I prefer to identify ideas and issues and then associate movements with those ideas and issues.
This is why a Reagan Administration conservative thinks Bush should be impeached (link here) and why some democrats still favor the war.
Notice the dictionary.com definition of neo-conservitism:
"An intellectual and political movement in favor of political, economic, and social conservatism that arose in opposition to the perceived liberalism of the 1960s: ‘The neo-conservatism of the 1980s is a replay of the New Conservatism of the 1950s, which was itself a replay of the New Era philosophy of the 1920s’ (Arthur M. Schlesinger, Jr.)."
Currently I think neocon is a more accurate term for describing the movement that is endangering democracy at home, and nations abroad.
Kira #29
I’m speechless. Either this man has stolen my name or I have stolen his. Either he is fake and I am real or I am fake and he is real. Or we’re both fakes. I must confess I took the name from a character played by Charles Nelson Riley on "The X-Files." Now that my cover is blown it may be time for this Jose Chung to go down the memory hole. How about this for a new moniker: DEMOCRACIES DO NOT GO TO WAR WITH OTHER DEMOCRACIES. I know it’s kind of long and doesn’t fall trippingly off the tongue but it’s true.
There’s a neat little microcosm of contrast in posts #2 & #4, Shasta & WinterPatriot, respectively. It illustrates nicely the difference, in general, between the neo-cons & the liberals, those who post regularly here being, imho, a pretty good example of what most would consider a liberal group.
Shasta uses name-calling, but both sides do that.
I would certainly argue that the rhetoric on the right has been consistently much more inflammatory & venomous, but it is unfortunately true that people on both sides have said stupid, crazy things. Humans tend to do that sometimes, even those who are ordinarily cool-headed & rational.
Having said all that…..
People have occasionally accused me of being blindly loyal to the liberals. Some have said that both sides are completely corrupt, there’s no difference between the two. This is my answer to both of those:
a person such as myself, having limited access to firsthand knowledge of political/governmental goings on, can only do as much research as she can and then make as fair and intelligent an assessment as possible. I watch & listen to proponents on both sides and judge them by their words & their deeds. Very simple. Time-consuming, but simple. That’s all I can do to determine which side is more truthful, more fair, more accurate, more respectful or what-have-you.
Which brings me to those two posts. #2 is a pretty fair example of the kind of thing one hears regularly from limbaugh, o’reilly, hannity, santorum, falwell etc.
and #4 is a pretty fair example of what one hears from the Bradblog and from countless other liberal sources I’ve researched.
The difference is so screamingly obvious as to make one WEEP.
I rest my case.
Jose Chung #41
Oops. Well – the X-Files moniker was the next I would have asked :laughs:. I’m curious what meaning you wished to convey by choosing the name. ??
Tell me what you mean by your next moniker choice – Democracies don’t go to war with other Democracies.
Thanks for your response.
Here’s a good article re: current political divisiveness —
News Analysis – Dangerous Clowns
By Pamela Troy
A BUZZFLASH NEWS ANALYSIS
[Part 1 in a 4-Part Series]
His blood carries not honor, and honesty, rather criminality, fraud, hypocrisy, lies, the lust for defilement, and the lust for murder … a race that has drives toward the unnatural and toward criminality cannot recognize natural moral laws. — Julius Streicher, on the Jews
… the Democrats – far too many of them – are evil, pure and simple. They have no redeeming social value. They are outright traitors themselves, or apologists for treasonous behavior. They are enemies of the American people and the American way of life. — Joseph Farah, "Baghdad Bonior," Worldnet Daily 10/8/02
Liberalism is a mental disorder that has undermined our families, our society, and our national security … — Michael Savage, Newsmax.com interview 2/1/03
[snip] There’s a saying about the sleep of reason and what it produces. For far too long, thinking Americans have treated the irrationality steadily bubbling up from the far right as if it were a harmless amusement, unlikely to impact ordinary citizens. We have been unwilling to look at the extent to which the mediums of right-wing talk radio and the Internet have popularized the agenda of influential people who are not stupid, but who are willing to foster and use stupidity and hatred as a means to an end. [more]
re #42 Joan, I’m sorry. I didn’t mean to contribute to anything that made anyone weep. Keep your chin up! 😉
For some bizarre reason Santorum is the subject of this week’s feature story in the Sunday New York Times magazine. A cover photo shows him with folded hands as if in communal prayer.
I can’t fathom what the Times is about here. Santorum is 16 points behind in the polls to Casey. The American people have emphatically rejected Santorum’s approach to government, inculcating religious belief into government policy (the Schiavo case seems to have been the turning point). Yet they choose this week to feature him in a mostly sympathetic article. Some liberal media!
krIEg bro
re #46. Good question, Robert.
Perhaps they are trying to "even things out" after publishing this story about abuse [and murder] of prisoners in Afghanistan.
Thanks, Brad. Another example of your stupidity. Where was your whining when an elected Democrat said the same thing about President Bush? Were you too busy talking to the voices in your head?
Praetorian obviously doesn’t get the difference in the remarks made by Sen. Byrd when compared to the ones made by Sen. Santorum.
Byrd was issuing a warning that a government which rules with unobstructed power is the path to tyranny.
Santorum compared Democrats directly to Hitler.
Comprehension …. is important.
Interestingly enough, Keith Olbermann has just reported (with videotape) that Santorum in 2003 compared the New York Times with the Nazis, fascists, Ba’athists … hmmm. Wonder how many other times he’s made this comparison?
And – what a "miss the mark" comparison it is.
How come they scream and holler at Keith Olbermann when he asks questions about the Ohio election? I thought they were going to crucify him! God cut the guy some slack! You can’t even ask questions anymore!