I've been all day. They cheated Bernie so it's a nice f'uck U to the DNC!
Sorry not sorry lol

Election night went beautifully. All the pundits had perfect hair and my, oh my, those pretty graphics.

Democracy is working!

The progressive candidate I went door-to-door for didn't win, but this is Utah you know.

Bernie Sanders won the state by 80% when we voted on hand counted paper ballots so it can't be that we hate progressives. I was sure hoping.

Makes it all the more interesting that Trump was sooooo confident he didn't bother to spend money on TV ads or a ground game, and disregarded the polls as wrong --- just why WERE those polls so wrong? were they really? --- and I keep thinking of young Jim Kirk (Chris Pine) in 2009's Star Trek, casually munching an apple, not nervous at all while simulated Klingons attack the Kobayashi Maru in his Starfleet Academy exam... which he has (yes) rigged....

As with that word "Crooked", Trump makes accusations that amount to admissions, and he did say this election was rigged. (But by whom?)

* BB & co. ignored and attacked over and over the silent majority
* BB & co. ignored the fake media disconnect and also ignored alternative links presented to them.

* BB ignored being told there are now millions of "silent majority" who bailed out when COMEY killed the RULE OF LAW and broke his oath to boot.

* BB talked smack and ignored when claiming racism, the truth be americans don't want MS-13, los zeta's, ISIS and other pissed off people slaughtering them cause the fucking border is wide the fuck open for an invasion-A TREASON OFFENSE now that people died.

* BB missed the silent majority cluetrain

* BB knows Hillary commit treason, but yet still supports her

* it's why BB & co. remiain clueless. It isn't a witch hunt to out towel-heads and brown people, it's that nobody can be vetted as safe. Look at RACIST ISRAEL, do they allow anyone in their FENCE?! Look at MEXICO, do they allow us to vote or run for office? How about Welfare? Show me an American on MEXICAN WELFARE!

* freedom of religion is guaranteed, NOT ALLOW FREEDOM OF DEATH CULTS AND CALLING IT RACISM IS NOT
, meanwhile BB does play overtime on word definitions to spin propaganda.

* It isn't GLOBAL WARMING/COOLING/CLIMATE CHANGE it's The fucking NWO! Agenda 2030 United Nations which BB & co. still won't fucking acknowledge. Progressives are fully exposed as the fraud they are.

You should go into entertainment. Seriously and I am being nice.

Raven, I am thinking the same thing. Why doesn't someone come out and at least suggest that something nefarious went on?

All this conjecture about fraud or not fraud drives me crazy cuz we just don't fucking know and we goddamn well need to fucking know. How the hell can we fix the problem if we don't know what the problem/reality is?

I live in Wisconsin. In the days before the election I wrote emails to my local clerk in charge of election with a series of questions. Here are some highlights:
Lori Burns:
I know that Middleton has paper ballots and that we also have computers that count and tabulate the votes. I am not really concerned about how Middleton tabulates its votes but I am concerned how the counties and state tabulates their votes. ...
I would eventually like to see every municipality and county elections official have a thorough hand counting of every paper ballot, not just a representative fraction for statistical verification....

THE CLERK'S RESPONSE:
The memory stick inserted into each machine are programmed at the county level and given to us by the county clerk in a controlled/locked bag with tamper resistant seals.. so when it leaves the county and we get it, we can tell it has not be tampered with. We then take the memory stick and do a public test (open to the public to watch). We create a test deck of ballots and send it through each machine.. we then verify the results were in fact read correctly against the tape that is printed. If there was any tampering of the memory sticks, we would catch it at the public test.
Election Night we transmit by landline fax to the county our end of the night results (these results are also posted on the county’s website).. The memory stick is sent back to the county through the same process as delivery (tamper seals affixed to the bag etc.) and hand delivered by each clerk.
The County officials hold a board of canvass (open to public) to verify each set of results sent election night match the machine tapes printed by the clerks that night.
An image of each ballot scanned onto the memory stick when it inserted into the machine by the voter. You may be able to get a copy of the images from the county and verify those against the tape each clerk prints on election night.

MY RESPONSE:
I was aware of all of what you wrote me except the scanning of an image of each paper ballot as it is fed into the machine. That is a great new part of the process. I am assuming then that each ballot is assigned some kind of identification number or code so that it can be matched to the image that the machine has recorded. Is this correct? If it is, that is a great additional way to check. but...
How often are these images checked with the tabulation tapes that are printed out? Is there a way of checking that the information on the memory sticks is correct with the actual ballot count? ...

HER RESPONSE:
When we do the public test we are testing the machine is reading the ballots correctly. There are also audits of the system as you described below after each election – the county physically sends someone out to hand count and compare results– not to every location, they do a random draw and go around to the selected municipalities. At the canvass they physically compare the tapes printed on election night by the clerks to the results that were transmitted election night (and I am sure other verifications that I am unaware of). Is what you are questioning is are the machines reading the ballots correctly? That is what we look for during the public test – we run test ballots through then compare the results to the results that printed on the tape to make sure they match prior to election day..
You could call the dane county clerk’s office to see if it is possible to do your own hand count with the images, as I am not sure if that is possible or to find out if there is anything else I am not aware of that they do to check 266-4121. Thanks Lorie

So the news in there is that some municipalities scan the ballots as they are fed into the computer. That at least the local folks do not check but the county officials do take a "random" sampling of the ballots, and compare them to the scanned images. If the ballots are scanned then the process and security of checking the votes should be much simpler and more easily verifiable. Since the voting marks are mostly in the same place on each card, the a software program could be written to scan the image in certain locations of the ballot looking for marks done by an independent, non-partisan group, not affiliated with the tabulation companies or any elected official. A recount done this quick and dirty way could be done to make an initial check with a hand count done later. Am I wrong or does this seem like a potential solution?

Also another solution is for a law to be passed federally (for all federal elections) that all paper ballots be scanned. If voters wish to challenge the vote count they can be sent a copy of all the scanned ballots to make their own count. This is not perfect but it's more transparent.

BROKENSPELL #5,

Here is your election autopsy (Awe Topsy).

BROKENSPELL@ #5 says:

It isn't GLOBAL WARMING/COOLING/CLIMATE CHANGE it's The fucking NWO! Agenda 2030 United Nations which BB & co. still won't fucking acknowledge.

Why is it that some right wing folks allow themselves to be distracted by the fantastic when reality is right there in front of them? BROKENSPELL, the warming earth cares not for your crazy view of the world. Take politics out of climate science and a whole wide, wonderful world of reality appears before your eyes. Is the thought of our planet’s climate running out of control so terrible that any reason, no matter how absurd, should supplant what is really happening? The thing is, the longer we’re distracted by fantasy, the worse the reality will get.

As for all your other nonsense, here's some homework for BROKENSPELL:

Google "Dunning-Kruger effect."

GWN @ 1 said:

I've been all day. They cheated Bernie so it's a nice f'uck U to the DNC!
Sorry not sorry lol

You sure showed them.

Happy to hear that you, at least, have the resources to survive the onslaught of the next four years and generations beyond (due to SCOTUS). Hope you'll notice, at some point, that many other of your fellow Americans do not.

Alex @8:

Only time for the moment to say "good job" in getting those responses from your town clerk. Sounds like, however, she (and you) are all forced to trust in the Dane County officials, rather than oversee things for yourselves.

The ballot images are a good place to start. But tests an be run to show one thing before the machines are in Election Mode and do another thing during the election (just as Volkswagen).

This should be a wake up call that it is time to finally get behind the idea that we need to hand count the votes and limit scanners and other computers to unofficial counting. Mr. Trump may well have won despite all the entrance, exit or ongoing polling. The likely-hood is that something is not quite right and we need to fix it before the next election gives us unbelievable result again.

Brad, Can't Democrats block Supreme Court nominations, too? If possible, they should. For the next four years. Otherwise we're just enabling unprecedented un-Constitutional behavior. Unless, of course, an actually qualified person were nominated. Then, maybe, it'd be okay to allow a vote. But they cheated us. They shouldn't be rewarded for that.

Brad How would I "show them" when I live in Canada?
GWN=Great White North (How soon we forget,eh)I would have voted for Jill Stein if I could voted though.

Hey it's only 4 years-maybe less- of the Donald. You survived bush jr, you can surely survive Trump and have less damage in the world and the USA than you would with war-hawk, Kissinger buddy, Hillary.

David Lasagna @ 14:

Can't Democrats block Supreme Court nominations, too? If possible, they should. For the next four years.

Of course they should. But they are Democrats. That said, the minute they do, Republicans will nuke the filibuster, as I suspect they will do anyway. So, even if they wanted to, they will not be able to block anywhere from 2 to 4 appointments that are likely to happen under the next Administration.

GWN @15 said:

Hey it's only 4 years-maybe less- of the Donald.

Maybe you've forgotten that 9/11, the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, torture, Katrina and more all happened in the first four years of the Bush Administration.

More importantly, however, perhaps you are not familiar with how the U.S. Supreme Court works? Those 2 to 4 Supreme Court appointees I just mentioned to Lasagna above will have lifetime appointments. We --- and you, even up in Canada --- will face the unspeakable fallout from that for generations.

So, yeah, we all sure showed that DNC, eh?!

Brad @ #12
I know I wanted to say to her that tests don't necessarily tell you anything (and I was going to use the VW example as well, German Engineering right?) but I didn't want to start a conversation that went too negative right away.
I realized in rereading my comments at the end that the Dane County folks do not check the images, they only check the tapes and the counts given on election night (surprise they're the same) with no check of the actual ballots. So no real random sampling of ballots either. How do people rationalize the pay they receive for doing their (constitutional) required duties with such ambivalence, I don't get it.
I would think that it shouldn't cost the county anything to send us a huge file of jpgs or PDFs, so asking for the images shouldn't be a hinderance for them just a huge data dump onto a drive. I have yet to contact Dane County for the images, but I am not a very computer savvy person and wouldn't know how to write programming to read the images. Do you have any suggestions for assistance?

Alex @ 18:

See this for some assistance on filing public records requests: http://blackboxvoting.or...olkit-public-records.pdf

For assistance in reading those ballot images, I may not be much help. But look up John Brakey and AuditAZ on Facebook. I think they have some tools for it.

I would surmise that after John Brakey's long fought for success - if they can't find a way to cancel it somehow - would be an all-out effort to disallow being able to have two records which can actually be compared to determine how people voted.

The only thing I can up with to explain why this can be done in the first place, is to give precincts which voted, honestly, in favor of a particular election board, the ability to verify their outcome.

I have to give great praise to Salt Lake county clerk Sherrie Swensen. She works, tirelessly in every election to make sure every vote is counted, which resulted in showing that the largest county in Utah voted for John Kerry in 2004, Barack Obama in 2008. and I'm hoping Hillary Clinton in 2016. The counting is still going on, despite the fact that the Republicans here are trying to blame her for not doing a good job. It's a long story.

She made sure that every democratic ballot was counted to show that Bernie Sanders trounced Clinton by almost 80% in the primaries. and I actually think the machines work here, due to her diligence.

I am a man of few words, as you all know...

The lesser of two evils won.

Pretty much what i said from the very beginning.

...which is not me teaching the DNC anything....sadly....it's the American people demanding the no-longer Democratic Party to BREAK FREE of corporate servitude (that's what Republicans are for!) and become again the DEMOCRATIC Party of the people!

...or, if that's too hard, they can just remain the losingest joke of a major party until they're put out of their misery, and We The People reclaim our right and our imperative to successfully beat back the "unstoppable" globalist corporatism and the military industrial financial complex threatening ALL LIFE ON EARTH....nothing is unstoppable....stick with me....you can't fuck with a fucker....as my great grandmother always used to say...

My job in this life has never been to fall in line....my job is to point out where the line is marching....whether anybody listens is moot...

Good cheer to all!....it's late

sun tsu

Actually ChicagoMel/No-Real-Name... I would prefer you use fewer words.

We're all pissed at what the Democratic party did, but most of us followed Bernie Sanders's directive for a slower and MUCH safer revolution.

Too late, huh?

Get lost!

In other words:

"all politicians are the same", "they're all the same", "They're all the same", "they're all the same"...

OH CRAP! "they're NOT all the same"!

Run like hell!

Jim Spriggs * Why is it that some right wing folks

Failure to communicate I said NPP, and already you didn't listen and lumped me in with the GOP. This is exactly what I am talking about, you don't want to work things out, you just want to fight and pick me apart.

Hi Brad,
I've been doing research on the voter trends, and there are some interesting trends to look at in Wisconsin and Florida. All of the counties in Wisconsin that went to Hillary were paper ballots except one- Green county. All the paper ballots were ESS voting machines except 1 which was Dominion. The one DRE county in the state that went for Hillary was a Dominion machine county.

I haven't finished counting but so far, all of the counties in Wisconsin that flipped from Obama to Trump and give the Replublicans big leads this year in were counted by Sequoia (Dominion) voting machines.

The paper counties for Trump in Wisconsin are split between Dominion paper counters and Electronic Systems and Software counters. But the ESS counties were ones that went for Romney so were presumably already Republican.

In Florida of the 4 counties that flipped from Obama to Trump, 3 are dominion. 2 paper, one DRE Dominion

Of the 9 counties that went for Hillary in Florida, 6 were ESS. 4 paper ESS and 2 DRE ESS. 2 were paper Dominion and 1 was DRE dominion.

The commend trend here is that the counties that went for Hillary were ESS paper and DRE machines and the counties that went for Trump were Dominion machines. This may explain why the exit polls were so off from the actual votes. I think it's worth looking into further.

SCOTUS Boo!Trump Boo!

Maybe they should have thought of that before pulling sneaky attacks on Bernie and shoving Hillary down their throats eh.

Looks like they were skimming votes off Stein for Hillary. You, who spent over ten years fighting for the rights of voters (Much respect for that- I still refer to your site when they talk of it here. Got the Greens to back off just from reading your site), are you blaming the cheated voters for Bernie for not giving "she who is owed" her coronation?

Can't stand her as you may have gathered:-)

That's all I'll have to say on that.
Best to all in US of A. (Hope we won't have to pay for the wall:)

BROKENSPELLB @ #25 says:

Failure to communicate I said NPP, and already you didn't listen and lumped me in with the GOP. This is exactly what I am talking about, you don't want to work things out, you just want to fight and pick me apart.

BROKENSPELL, dude, what did you just say:

It isn't GLOBAL WARMING/COOLING/CLIMATE CHANGE it's The fucking NWO! Agenda 2030 United Nations which BB & co. still won't fucking acknowledge.

I don't care what party you belong to. It doesn't matter. You must have noticed that I made no mention of the GOP in the post you quoted. If the vast majority of those who regard themselves as right wing just happen to be predisposed to selective denial of science, that's just the way it is. The bottom line is if you or anybody else tries to inject politics into science, conflate politics with science, or attribute scientific findings to political motivations, I might just hurt somebody's feelings.

GWN @27 said:

SCOTUS Boo!Trump Boo!
Maybe they should have thought of that before pulling sneaky attacks on Bernie and shoving Hillary down their throats eh.

Yes. They sure learned their lesson! So did their kids, their grandkids, their great grandkids... Well done. Very smart politics.

Looks like they were skimming votes off Stein for Hillary.

Evidence? Or that's not necessary either any more?

You, who spent over ten years fighting for the rights of voters (Much respect for that- I still refer to your site when they talk of it here. Got the Greens to back off just from reading your site)

How? By telling the independently verifiable truth and stuff? If that did it, oh, well. Still fighting that fight, btw. Every day. Have never stopped.

are you blaming the cheated voters for Bernie for not giving "she who is owed" her coronation?

Nope.

Best to all in US of A. (Hope we won't have to pay for the wall:)

You won't. But the cost you'll have to pay for climate change is a different matter.

Beth like they say in Math class can you show your work?

Larry Bergan @#24
Larry, it depends on your priorities (what issues are most important to you) whether you think Hillary/DNC vs Trump/RNC are the same or not.
If you really are focused on peace, the achievement of the American Dream, transparent elections, invasion of privacy (government invading your papers), government secrecy (what is top secret),no to corporate personhood, trials for CEOs who ruined our economy, anti-military industrial complex, Israel may be wrong sometimes and trials for Bush administration officials who got us into war and promoted torture, there isn't much difference.
If you're focused on unions, environmentalism, gun control, health care for all, a living wage, deporting people who are not documented, civil rights, voting rights for all, fracking/fossil fuels, global warming, slavery in prisons and Black Lives Matter there is a healthy debate whether the DNC and company are really on the side of common people or not (they may be a bit better than the RNC but that doesn't put them on our side), (don't get me started on how we have to be incremental on global warming remedies). DNC officials talk nicely about such issues but their track record has something to be desired.
If you're focused on LGBT issues (only recently established), abortion, separation of church and state and women's equal pay I could see how you would think they are different. I'm sure I missed a few topics but you get my point.
The Dems' actions do not often support who traditionally support them. If you focus on the first two categories I outlined, you could argue that they are the same or at least have skepticism over the Dems willingness to advocate for your top issues. If the Dems did push more for all the issues then we would have more and effective programs for the poor, our minimum wage would be a living wage, we would treat israel with no greater defference than any of our other allies, we would be more transparent in our election and have fewer secrets, CEOs would not be interested in continuing with the practices that got us into the 2008 financial mess because their previous bosses were in jail and the banks would be broken up, war and torture would be equally bad and not used as political tools, women would have equal pay, fossil fuels, including natural gas (methane) would be a historical fuels, energy policies would encourage everyone across the country to have some form of renewable energy associated with their consumption, freedom of speech would not include money, a constitutional amendment distinguishing between human rights and privileges of corporations would have been proposed and maybe voted on. This is a sample list of the many major gripes people have with Dems. Instead of writing off people who think the Dems and Reps are the same because it doesn't match your priorities, maybe you ought to think about the issues that matter most to others and figure out why they would consider such claim. It's not lunacy, it's different priorities.

Dredd @ #9 said:

Here is your election autopsy (Awe Topsy).

Hey, Dredd, I heard these two interviews with Allan Lichtman on another program featured on KPFK, the BradCast's flagship station. The first interview was three weeks before the election, and the second on November 9th, the day after.

Allan Lichtman interview, October 16, 2016:
http://ianmasters.com/si...10_16a_allanlichtman.mp3

Allan Lichtman interview, November 9, 2016:
http://ianmasters.com/si...09b_allan%20lichtman.mp3

Alex:

We all get tired of politics, and after 8 LONG years of trying to fight Bush with zero results, we decided to sit on the couch and let Obama tuck us into bed every night, even though we didn't like everything he did. I liked a hell of a lot of what he DID do though, and I didn't like ONE thing Bush did.

I went 8 years working my ass off with no health insurance until I got Obamacare. Now it's back to the emergency room if I have an accident, or strep throat, which the emergency room charged me 600 dollars for, just for taking a throat swab and putting it in a petri dish . It didn't even come up positive.

So, let me repeat:

"all politicians are the same", "they're all the same", "They're all the same", "they're all the same"...

OH CRAP! "they're NOT all the same"!

Run like hell!