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"Blackwell Ignores Rule of Law! Twice in Same Letter! [UPDATED]"
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COMMENT #1 [Permalink]
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jazzolog
said on 1/12/2005 @ 2:50 am PT...
The Toledo Blade
Article published January 11, 2005
Lawsuit over Ohio election dropped
COLUMBUS, Ohio — Three dozen voters challenging the presidential election results in the Ohio Supreme Court asked to drop their lawsuit today, saying it is moot with last week’s certification of the electoral vote and the upcoming inauguration.
Citing fraud, lawyers representing 37 voters on Nov. 2 had asked the court to examine several problems with voting procedures in the hopes of overturning President Bush’s victory in the state.
The election turned on Ohio’s 20 electoral college votes, and not until preliminary results were available early on the morning of Nov. 3 did Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry concede.
Chief Justice Thomas Moyer of the state Supreme Court must still rule on the motion to dismiss the case, and is expected to go along with the request In a ruling last month declining a request that he remove himself from the case, Moyer, a Republican, called voters’ evidence “woefully inadequate.”
Without giving specifics, attorney Cliff Arnebeck said challenges of the results would continue in state or federal courts. But he conceded that there was nothing available now to try to prevent Bush’s inauguration.
© 2004 The Blade.
Read it here.
Now, except for Conyers' pledge to push on for general reform, there is nothing left but to knuckle under or head for the hills.
COMMENT #2 [Permalink]
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Da Wookie
said on 1/12/2005 @ 4:20 am PT...
Whatever happened to the demycrats pre-election pledge to leave no vote uncounted and to concede nothing? These days I am constantly reminded of the Bill Hicks skit (I think it was) something like:
"I favour the puppet on the left"
"Yeah? Well I favour the puppet on the right!"
Look behind the curtain and you'll see the same guy with a hand up each of their asses...
If Howard Dean gives the DNC a hefty kick up the rear and reminds them what their backbones are fo, I say give that man a beer!
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atty jimmo
said on 1/12/2005 @ 6:42 am PT...
{ed note: Completely off-topic, post removed}
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Dredd
said on 1/12/2005 @ 8:15 am PT...
This gives new meaning to "holding up the law".
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warmwarrior
said on 1/12/2005 @ 9:24 am PT...
Blackwell can't help it. He's a Republican and thus ethically obtuse by nature.
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Mario Morgado
said on 1/12/2005 @ 9:57 am PT...
This is so trivial compared to the high crimes of the Republican Party. Why not concentrate on bigger issues. This makes us look like nit pickers.
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Val Zudell
said on 1/12/2005 @ 10:26 am PT...
Mario #6, This one thing may be trivial but put together with the mind-set of ignoring laws on a regular basis and using unethical means to achieve ones goals is symptomatic of a persons values and makes the point that this man can not be trusted. It signals that he needs to be watched carefully.
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walkshills
said on 1/12/2005 @ 10:44 am PT...
Sounds like charges by both the state of Ohio and the federal governement can be made, although it is doubtful they would be.
How about a citizen's arrest? If the legally constituted and elected authorities can't take care of their business, can citizens step in?
If no arrest or charges are made, that should be logged and noted as selective enforcement of the laws.
While this indeed may be a pissant compared to all the Republicans do, stick them when you can, as often as you can. Ants - and indeed spider webs - are apt metaphors. And when charges aren't brought, there is always a consideration for obstruction of justice.
COMMENT #9 [Permalink]
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NewYorker
said on 1/12/2005 @ 11:09 am PT...
Brad, they mention this illegality (and they said "The possible illegality was first floated by The Brad Blog early this morning") at Rawstory.com
"Senator says use of official seal in Ohio election chief’s campaign letter is illegal"
Check:
http://www.bluelemur.com/index.php?p=545
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hilster
said on 1/12/2005 @ 11:27 am PT...
I have not commented before on your posts but I believe I should as I want to thank you profusely for doing all of this research etc. on Blackwell as well as any other bits that are overlooked by the MSM. I read your site every day and deeply appreciate all of the work that you do.
- one of the many disenfranchised student voters in Ohio
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Peggy
said on 1/12/2005 @ 11:35 am PT...
I think Blackwell should be arrested and charged with illegal activities concerning solicitation of illegal corporate campaign donations, etc., his offices and home(s) raided, all relevant paper, documents, envelopes, and anything of a suspicous nature confiscated by any law-abiding law enforcement, if there is any left in Ohio. This man SHOULD NOT be the next Governor of Ohio!
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Peg C
said on 1/12/2005 @ 12:23 pm PT...
Peggy -
I'm pretty sure that the ONLY way he could be elected is if all those black boxes were "stuffed" again and those prepunched ballots were used as well. Oh yes, in a just world Blackwell would be in jail. As would a great many of his "superiors." (Can one be superior at doing evil?)
The value verb "SHOULD" and its negative are becoming "quaint," though, right along with all those other moral ideas we all hold dear.
COMMENT #13 [Permalink]
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Brad
said on 1/12/2005 @ 1:13 pm PT...
Thanks, Hilster, and thanks for coming out and speaking up!
I've updated the main item to include the confirms by RAW STORY, National Journal and Cleveland Plain Dealer. See the update at the bottom of the article.
Apparently "The Rule of Law" only matters if you're a Democrat to these guys.
COMMENT #14 [Permalink]
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G
said on 1/12/2005 @ 1:31 pm PT...
I don't like to switch gears here... but... I couldn't believe the attach article which appeared in the news today.
Paybacks are "Hell"..... the Republicans used the Christian Coalition and they just haven't figured it out. However, my question is .... if...iffffff... Bush actually "prays" everyday...... . why are crosses arround the necks and on card board OK for a parade .... but any cross 3 to 4" or bigger considered a weapon?????
Give me a break ... whats wrong with a few big crosses on the parade route???
FYI-
____________________________________________
Christian Defense Coalition:
Secret Service Refuses to Remove Crosses from List of Prohibited Items at Inaugural Parade Route
1/11/2005 4:26:00 PM
To: National Desk
Contact: Rev. Patrick Mahoney of the Christian Defense Coalition, 202-547-1735 or 540-548-4741 (cell)
WASHINGTON, Jan. 11 /U.S. Newswire/ --- The Secret Service refuses to remove crosses from the list of prohibited items at the Presidential Inaugural parade route. The Christian Defense Coalition is still moving forward with litigation if crosses remain on the prohibited list.
In a letter sent to the Christian Defense Coalition, the Secret Service said crosses could be worn around the neck or placed on a sign but they would not remove crosses from the list of prohibited items that could be used as a weapon. See letter at http://www.earnedmedia.org/ss_ltr.htm
In a letter sent back to the Secret Service on Jan. 11, the Christian Defense Coalition has said this is unacceptable and has asked the Service to "...eliminate the word 'crosses' from the illustrative list of prohibited items." See letter at http://www.earnedmedia.org/reply.htm
The Coalition has also said this matter could have been easily resolved if the Secret Service had banned all structures made of wood, metal or pipe and not singled out one religion's most sacred symbol.
Rev. Patrick J. Mahoney, director of the Christian Defense Coalition, states, "The Secret Service continues to show a profound lack of sensitivity toward the Christian faith by leaving crosses on the list of prohibited items from the Inaugural Parade. This amounts to religious and viewpoint discrimination. It is very troubling for federal law enforcement to suggest the somehow a cross presents a greater danger to national security than other religious symbol. This situation can be settled simply by the Secret Service prohibiting all structures made of wood or metal and not having to discriminate against the most sacred symbol of the Christian faith."
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mordarlar72
said on 1/12/2005 @ 1:56 pm PT...
Brad i have posted to you on DU. Curious about the "official looking letters" sent to Democrats prior to election day. Did they ALSO have an official looking seal?
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Brad
said on 1/12/2005 @ 2:06 pm PT...
I will try to look into that, Mordarlar72.
I didn't see your message on DU, but there's so much over there, it's little wonder.
Please join us at VelvetRevolution.us by the way!
COMMENT #17 [Permalink]
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Freebird
said on 1/12/2005 @ 2:26 pm PT...
THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
VS.
J. KENNETH BLACKWELL
Hopefully, this is how a federal indictment will read soon!
But this is Bush's Ohio buddy? Let's see who gets charged or not charged!
As I had mentioned previously, Blackwell's letter is "evidence of motive" to fix the election for Bush! It is not all the evidence, but just one more piece in helping solve the puzzle. The fact that he is also violating the law in how he sends the letter or solicits funds is showing a propensity to violate or disregard the law, which is also "evidence" of predisposed intent, knowledge, or character to violate not only those laws, but election or any other laws. Therefore, just more pieces of the puzzle to create a picture for the judge or jury to see what Blackwell has been up to recently, whether it involves Bush's election or his own.
I would also suggest that Blackwell's service as Campaign Manager for Bush in Ohio, while serving as the state's chief election official, while not per se illegal, is also "evidence" of conflict of interest that goes to his intent or knowledge of wrongdoing to act with partiality in favor of one candidate over another, which he clearly did in his personal candidates favor under the guise of official duties. Therefore, he further violated his position of trust to represent all the people of Ohio.
What I'm getting at here, is that although some of these issues may appear insignificant, when you start bringing them together, you are building a criminal case against Blackwell...you are building a puzzle...to show both knowledge and intent to engage in a criminal act, which can be proven with direct or circumstantial evidence. You are bringing together the parts to build the whole.
But I also agree that Blackwell's infractions pale in comparison to Bush's WAR CRIMES/CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY in Iraq and around the world. However, the totality of crimes of Bush and his minions, of 9/11, and of the Republican Party, are coming together to build the whole...to finish the puzzle...to create that picture we want the entire world to see justifying their removal from office and the placement of their "official seals" on their prison cells!
YES I'M HERE! HAVEN'T FLOWN AWAY YET! HELLO EVERYONE! LOL ))
Freebird
COMMENT #18 [Permalink]
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rhonda san francisco
said on 1/12/2005 @ 2:48 pm PT...
Dear Mr. Brad
Thank you for your info. I used to be on the verge of insanity until I found others who care
about the truth. Thank you for your hard work
and countless hours of relentless searching and
telling of truth. You are a hero, a patriot, and
great example of courage, when it counts. Your
site gave me info I needed , in turn I sent about
25 letters to Senators and told all my peoples to
do the same. Thank you, God bless you, and stay
safe ........YOU ROCK !
ps Blackwell is a turd, but then so are all his buddies, I called his office many times, his
turdetts just hung up. Couldn't handle all us
fringe folk (voters demanding fair elections)
Peace Peoples
COMMENT #19 [Permalink]
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lll
said on 1/12/2005 @ 3:36 pm PT...
kudos, brad, for noting this. (a bit like david corn alerting the world to novak's exposing plame as a cia agent!)
just one thing, though: isn't it three and not just two laws blackwell has infringed upon?
1. seal, or facsimile thereof
2. soliciting corporate funds
3. soliciting on official sec of state letterhead (as opposed to 'campaign for...' letterhead)
3 may also be nit-picking, and perhaps the whole package is nit-picking in the war lies scheme of things. but nit-picking about the importance of such matters is precisely what eventually brought a '3rd rate burglary' to the level of a federal crime and obstruction of justice.
so, nit-pick on, i say!
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Miss Persistent
said on 1/12/2005 @ 5:33 pm PT...
This evidence against Blackwell is clearly just the tip of the iceburg! I would think one would have to get pretty dern comfortable about what they've gotten away with in the past in order to feel certain about a move to go ahead and break laws publicly. And think about the "marketing/publicity" jokes in the meeting that took place over the decision to use that seal?!
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Freebird
said on 1/12/2005 @ 5:43 pm PT...
Miss P...
Meeting indeed! Two or more people and you have a conspiracy to violate federal law under federal conspiracy statutes. But only those opposing Republicans are "Conspiracy Theorists" or "kooks" and however else they try to label us.
As I've mentioned before, the right-wing government files conspiracy charges against Americans everyday! But accuse Republicans of election fraud and criminal violations, and we're just nutcakes and conspiracy theorists.
They have the power, they have the law, and they have the media, and we have to take away all three from our little right-wing children!
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Teresa
said on 1/12/2005 @ 10:05 pm PT...
I advocate charging Blackwell on any and all violations of the law. Al Capone went to jail for income tax evasion not racketeering.
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Peggy
said on 1/12/2005 @ 10:46 pm PT...
Someone should tell ALL the Police Detectives in the state of Ohio about the $1 BILLION bounty for evidence of election fraud that leads to a conviction of the bad guys...after which it should occur to them that they should arrest Blackwell NOW and conviscate ALL (and I mean ALL) the paperwork they can put their hands on...concerning the illegal solicitation of donations and the seal, of course...hint, hint, hint...seek and ye shall find!
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Bando Bling
said on 1/12/2005 @ 11:48 pm PT...
Good coverage Brad! I think if media can focus on Blackwell and basically make him pay for the fraud he committed. We should keep the heat on Blackwell. If Blackwell can be nailed and brought to justice then a lot of the truth will come out. Blackwell is a Bush-Cheney pimp.
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JoAnne Krieger
said on 1/13/2005 @ 7:56 am PT...
I forwarded you work to Blackwell after making subtle changes in content, not conveyence. What is your e-mail address to which Blackwell can respond (I'm wont to think he will), and to which I can forward a c.c.?
COMMENT #26 [Permalink]
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mary
said on 1/13/2005 @ 8:25 am PT...
Thanks for the insightful coverage one and all.
The Family Circus reviews were hysterical too!
And a great big thank you to Brad and congrats on the awards.
Lastly, I am glad to see that posts are being removed that are irrelevent!!!!!!!!!!!
COMMENT #27 [Permalink]
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Dredd
said on 1/13/2005 @ 12:23 pm PT...
"Oh the lines are long
And the fighting is strong
And they're breaking down the distance
Between right and wrong."
Ring them Bells, by Bob Dylan
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Ilene, a proud liberal
said on 1/13/2005 @ 6:19 pm PT...
I am finally jumping in to respond to this thread, just one more Blackwell attrocity that needs to be addressed.
What really needs to be addressed regarding the illegal use of the seal is that Blackwell and his advisors KNEW they were using an illegal seal but continued to do so - Rule of Law be damned. They say that the seal was altered SLIGHTLY. As a graphic artist myself, I would be furious if my artwork were ripped off with such minor changes so that it appears to be just like the original - with full intent to copy the original.
However, we are talking about an official seal of the United States and knowingly using this "similar" piece - after the legal precedent from 20 or 30 years ago when it was ruled that this same iteration of the seal was illegal and could NOT be used officially - just shows once again that Blackwell considers himself above the law and invincible.
When will the Supreme Court of the State of Ohio be made to stop protecting this piece of "garbage" and get him to face the charges that should be leveled against him? Is this ever going to happen?
COMMENT #29 [Permalink]
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Ilene, a proud liberal
said on 1/13/2005 @ 6:20 pm PT...
I am finally jumping in to respond to this thread, just one more Blackwell attrocity that needs to be addressed.
What really needs to be addressed regarding the illegal use of the seal is that Blackwell and his advisors KNEW they were using an illegal seal but continued to do so - Rule of Law be damned. They say that the seal was altered SLIGHTLY. As a graphic artist myself, I would be furious if my artwork were ripped off with such minor changes so that it appears to be just like the original - with full intent to copy the original.
However, we are talking about an official seal of the United States and knowingly using this "similar" piece - after the legal precedent from 20 or 30 years ago when it was ruled that this same iteration of the seal was illegal and could NOT be used officially - just shows once again that Blackwell considers himself above the law and invincible.
When will the Supreme Court of the State of Ohio be made to stop protecting this piece of "garbage" and get him to face the charges that should be leveled against him? Is this ever going to happen?
Vive le (Velvet) Revolution!
COMMENT #30 [Permalink]
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Ilene, a proud liberal
said on 1/13/2005 @ 7:32 pm PT...
Sorry for the double posting - I hit submit twice.
COMMENT #31 [Permalink]
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Brad
said on 1/13/2005 @ 7:49 pm PT...
rhonda san francisco -
Thanks for your exceptionally kind words. And welcome! Glad we've saved you from insanities edge!
Same welcome to Ilene, A Proud Liberal - no matter how many times she submitted!
To answer LLL's third question the "official letterhead" is a fuzzy issue because while clearly it was meant to *look* official, obviously, it wasn't *really* official. While the same could be said for the Great Seal issue, at least in that case, there have been clear Federal DoJ warnings about doing such things in the past, and I think it'd be easier to prove that they were using a purposeful facsimile of it, than it would to prove a facsimile of his official state letterhead.
Either way, clearly he's a man with no regard for the Rule of Law. And if Republicans weren't hypocrites, they'd be clamoring for his resignation, impeachment or recall. If he was a Democrat, he'd have been tossed out by now or otherwise burned at the stake.
JoAnne (and others) feel free to CC or BCC me on such notes anytime at TheBradBlog@cville.com
Thanks all!
COMMENT #32 [Permalink]
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czaragorn
said on 1/14/2005 @ 8:51 am PT...
It seems the most promising approach to cracking a close-knit criminal enterprise is to find a "minor" player and turn him or her. Blackwell is a possible chink in the armor, but in any case all the seemingly insignificant player must be rooted out, have his or her feet held to the fire, and convinced to spill the beans. All it takes is one!
COMMENT #33 [Permalink]
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czaragorn
said on 1/14/2005 @ 9:09 am PT...
Sorry about the subject-verb disagreement - hope you know what I meant!