Precisely seven weeks after Election Day 2004, and exactly one week after the Electoral College met to cast their votes, The New York Times has filed what, by my count, is their second serious article on Voting Irregularities in the 51 days since our last terribly flawed election.
Their first landmark effort was an article just last week by Tom Zeller, Jr. on which we also commented with our recognizably snarky, but always-lovable, demeanor.
Today’s outting — also inked by new BRAD BLOG best friend, Zeller (and others) — finally puts the paper of record on record as admitting there were “Voting Problems in Ohio”. They even go so far as to admit, “Certainly there were problems on Election Day.”
Luke-warm, and a good nominee for the BRAD BLOG “Understatement of the Year Award”, but for now, in the generous spirit of Christmas, we’ll take it!
After a few quotes from an Ohioan who’s vote failed to count this year because the provisional ballot he was given when his name didn’t appear at the precinct to which he’d recently moved, was rejected because it wasn’t dropped into the bucket at the precinct where he used to live, the Times piece mentions what they should have mentioned — in spades — on the morning of November 3rd:
Dead-on sentiment. Wish they had joined the party earlier. But again, it’s Christmas, so in the spirit of Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior (well, not mine, I’m Jewish…but, hey, it’s Christmas!) we’ll turn the other cheek.
Back to The Times…
Yes. We are. And some of us are not even a group at all! We’re just Americans. And expect damn-well better than what we’ve now seen over the last two Presidential elections!
I hope that this isn’t just a holiday diversion for The Times, but that they are seriously planning to continue to investigate and report on these issues.
The last few grafs, however, don’t bode well…
But Mr. Blackwell acknowledged that the election spotlighted the state’s outdated voting system, with 68 of 88 counties still relying on punch cards. In an interview, he called for updating voting machines, and also for early voting, multiple-day voting and other changes that he said would shorten lines and encourage people to vote.
“I don’t think it’s wrong to have high expectations,” he said.
(Okay…I’m fine…Back up off the floor now…)
We’ll try to be brief, but where to begin?
1) Any reporter (and there were three that contributed to this short piece!) that mentions Blackwell in anyway — much less in a way that actually paints him as someone who gives any kind of a damn about solving election problems in Ohio! — and yet doesn’t point out that he was also THE OHIO CO-CHAIR OF THE COMMITTEE TO RELECT BUSH/CHENEY should have their Journalist License immediately and permanently revoked, and sentenced to a lifetime of writing 24/7 on a green blog for no money at all.
2) To quote Blackwell, without offering context, as caring in even the smallest way about shortening voting lines after he presided over an election in which thousands were disenfranchised and hundreds of thousands (almost exclusively in Democratic-dominated areas only) were forced to wait in the rain up to 7 or more hours precisely due to decisions that Blackwell himself instigated, oversaw, and approved, is again worthy of sentence to a lifetime of blogging and begging for donations via PayPal on Christmas Eve eve!
3) “Outdated punchards” aren’t the problem, and if we’ve learned anything, it’s the punchcards — being recountable and all — that remain the last vestige of verifiable confidence in a system that has finally lost almost all remaining credibility for millions of American voters. (See the previous article on recountable Washington state if you have any questions about that.) No, the problem was not the punchcards, the problem was BLACKWELL (and friends)!
4) Read items 1 through 3 again, memorize them, and give extra charitable Christmas Spirit emphasis to that PayPal link in #2.
But in that same charitable spirit, we’ll thank the Times for covering the topic at all, and save our last slice of Christmas venom cheer for the Republican Party, about whom the Times story says…
With all due respect to the “Republicans in Congress”, I don’t give much of a damn what they have an appetite for today. If we have anything to say about it — and, as it turns out, we do! — they will soon find themselves very hungry, very soon, for complete Election Reform overhaul.
Otherwise, by 2006, we hope they will have become as comfortable as we have with begging shamelessly for PayPal donations on a website, because they’re gonna have to figure out a new way to make a living…and we hope that it won’t be pretty.
God bless us, everyone.
(Thanks John of Crooks & Liars for the tip!)
UPDATE/CLARIFICATION: Due to an embarrassing oversight by yours truly, it appears that the Times article — snarkily, but lovably commented on above — was in fact 2 pages longer than we had initially noticed!
In fact, it should be noted that Blackwell was (on Page 2) referred to as “co-chairman of Mr. Bush’s state campaign”.
Also notable (and appreciated) is that the story ran on Page 1 (above the fold!) of Friday’s print edition. And perhaps most notable (and appreciated) of all, is that The BRAD BLOG’s new best friend (or at least until we posted the above article), Tom Zeller Jr. actually travelled all the way to Cleveland to cover this important story.
We stand by our comments that Blackwell was let off much easier than he deserved for his partisan transgressions, should have been noted in the first instance as Co-Chair for the Bush/Cheney campaign, and that The Times took far too long in reporting these items on behalf of the American voter.
However, our oversight in missing the two extra pages of the article, leading to our flip “three writers for such a short piece” comment, is deserving of spanking as well, and at least a one-day revocation of our Bloggers License. As it’s Christmas anyway, we’ll serve our time today. (Barring breaking news, of course.)
The BRAD BLOG regrets the oversight and supports The Times continuing coverage of the growing confidence crisis amongst America’s voters.
Brad, I loved your comments numbered #1 and #2. If I were king, I’d implement them immediately by one of those secret executive orders that kings and presidents seem to be so good at.
I might even throw in #3 of my own, and it would go like this: Anyone who seriously believes that the President of the United States derives his authority from God rather than the consent of the people shall be disenfranchised forthwith.
You know, I’m all for eqality under the law and every vote being sacred and so on, but I also believe that in order to earn the right to vote in America you should have some idea of how America is supposed to work, and what it is supposed to stand for, and why so many people fought and died to establish it, and … oh somebody please stop me!
[slap!]
Thanks, I needed that.
Sorry, newjesustimes, no PO box 🙁
PayPal, for now, is the best we have to offer. But they are really not bad at all, allow Credit Card donations, and no PayPal account or registration should be necessary.
Suffice to say that the traffic when we broke the story was far bigger than our previous server could handle. After moving to a temporary Blogspot site, and then back since getting a new server, things seem to be going very well.
I don’t like to publish numbers because, frankly, I’d rather keep folks guessing…and allow them to underestimate us whenever possible 😉
Thanks for the nice comments (and to Winter Patriot as well!)
The support is much appreciated!
A wonderful entry Brad, and thanks for staying up late to help us all out, particularly those in Ohio itself. I’m in Athens, a little blue island in a sea of red.
This is the link to The Times article itself
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/12/...#038;position= , which I don’t see in your post. But since it’ll be archived in a few days and since you need to register (free, and no spam) to read it even now—and as a free service to The Times in an effort to attract more subscribers (harrumph) I also posted the whole article in 3 places~~~
http://www.newciv.org/news2/ind...063-000279.htm 10th comment
http://www.upsaid.com/jazzolog/...om&id=426 2nd comment
http://jazzolog.blogspot.com/20...ntegrates.html 2nd comment
I also took the liberty to post The Brad Blog entry as the following comment at each location…and to send it out to friends all over the place. I hasten to add the Paypal link is emphasized each time! Any request to take them down will be honored. Thank you again Brad for your great work.
What a VICTORY! The most LIBERAL trash newspaper in America mentions OHIO and you 2 percenters here have an orgasm!
Unbelievable.
Go do your schoolwork now so you can get a decent job and support a family.
Bye bye.
"Bye Bye"? Really? Have we really seen the end of "attorney jim"? What a Christmas present! Couldn’t have asked for anything better!
Pathetic – (talking about the guy who feels it necessary to announce he’s an attorney). Wanna tell us your measurements too, buddy?
Anyway, just popping by to tell you a few things.
A) Love your blog (as always).
B) Great job (as always)
C) HAPPY HOLIDAYS to you and "you know who"!!!
Wishing you ALLLLLL the best , Brad. 🙂
Happy Hannukah! 😉
What is the matter, MRs. ? Afraid to say "MERRY CHRISTMAS"!!!
MERRY CHRISTMAS!
AND GOD BLESS PRESIDENT BUSH AND HIS STAFF
This is the second understated article about the Ohio 2004 Presidential vote the NYT has written. In both articles a reader would come away thinking nothing much actually happened. There were some small mistakes in allocating voting machines and a few mistaken counts in Bush’s favor, and of course there are those nutty conspiracy theorist. Small facts like not one miscount has gone in Kerry’s favor are not mentioned. Or there was a mysterious Homeland Security warning affecting another county. Two small stories among many not mentioned. Watergate started this way. Some how the press likes to remember Watergate as their finest hour, but in truth they broke that story kicking and screaming. If it were not for Katharine Graham owner of the Washington Post Watergate might never have been reported. There are still people like her today. Someone will step forward and shine a light on this crime. People call me a sore loser. My answer is “I guess that is true I do not give up my democracy easily”
attorney –
You want to act offended because someone wished you happy holidays instead of merry Christmas? Come down off your high horse. He that lacks nothing more than Christmas wishes is fortunate indeed. Find something real to complain about.
Christ asks that we love and understand our enemies; have you done that lately? If you indeed believe in Christ, forsake your hatred and one sidedness. Go give something to the poor. While you’re at it, donate some money to Brad – since you obviously enjoy his site so much!
My strong belief is that you have no right to command God to bless anything. I await any evidence, beyond your faith, to the contrary.
Happy Holidays!!
The reporters themselves may not be entirely at fault. The editors, clearly, want to keep this all dumbed down. I went through a version of the "NY Times" no-nothingism yesterday in just trying to get my letter to the editor saved from editing hell. The letter was not, in the end, allowed to make any mention of irregularities in other states, just Ohio, but it does manage to score the American media on its lack of attention to detail, to put it charitably.
Hey Brad-Great Job!
I depend on you for the various latest news on this attempt to illegally relect the illegal winner of the 2000 presidental election
One thing that would help. Please list the email address of the contact to the writers in the New York Times and other sources who elect to sanitize the articles they write and publish. I would love to respond to the co-authored article that left out the well known news of Blackwell’s position in the relection campaign.
Comment on Paypal-Cannot abid their polices. Need a snail mail address to send donation.
Peter in Oregon-Where mail in ballot elected John Kerry President in 2004
Enjoy the season-what ever you chose to call it.
Brad –
I’ve been reading your site every day for at least a week now and I think you kick ass.
I am curious how much traffic you’re getting. (but i’m afraid it might be rude to ask, so this is just a statement)
I’d really like to donate $20, but i disdain paypal. Do you have a PO box or something where i can mail you cash?
Please keep up the great work,
Happy Holidays 😉
Brad –
I’m trying hard to give you money – I’ve tried 3 times thru paypal and its just not working out.
If you have time, please have a look at propay.com (or any of the many payment options that are better than paypal!) or post a snail mail address where you can receive $.
Thanks!
well perhaps propay.com is not the best option either, but man, Paypal just does not like to make it easy. I’ll keep trying…
Copy of an interesting email:
Dear Senators,
We were once not free and were without elections. We once were communist and called "The Ukraine", but now we have free elections and are "Ukrainia".
Our Constitution says:
Article 71
Elections to bodies of state power and bodies of local self-government are free and are held on the basis of universal, equal and direct suffrage, by secret ballot.
Voters are guaranteed the free expression of their will.
>>
We mean it. When there is election fraud in our nation we will not stand for it. Our people, our political parties, and our courts will require fair elections.
We are a democracy and we fight at home first to protect it. You saw us stand up and require a RE-VOTE not a mere re-count.
Does your nation have such political will? We patriots write you because we see your democracy’s light getting more and more dim.
In your country 80% of vote counting is conducted by only two companies, Diebold and ES&S.
As to Diebold, it took over Global Election Systems, of which its chief software engineer officiating over the software development related to voting machines has been convicted of computer fraud felonies.
It is said that: "One such felon, a 23-count embezzler named [name omitted], who specialized in computer fraud, was made a director of Global Election Systems in 2000, and then was assigned to be the head of research and development, with access to all components of the most sensitive parts of the voting system. The other, a cocaine traffickernamed [name withheld], has directed the sensitive punch-card printing for both Global and Diebold, and has had involvement with the processing of incoming absentee ballots. [Name withheld] is still running the printing division for Diebold."
(http://www.blackboxvoting.org/bbv_chapter-8.pdf, pdf pages 21-22, [book pages 83-84])
One candidate in our pending election was poisioned, and other wrongs transpired. There were cries about "conspiracy nuts" but here we still take elections seriously, and any reasonable suggestions of vote fraud are investigated.
We listened to nuts and dismissed them. We listened to disinformation put out by those calling everyone who complained about the poisioning a conspiracy nut and dismissed them.
We dismissed everything but solid evidence. And we finally had a re-vote, not just a re-count.
Democracy is strong and growing stronger here because valid evidence prevails.
Follow our example and spread democracy everywhere … starting with Ohio.
You need to read all of chapter 8 of that web-book (http://www.blackboxvoting.org/bbv_chapter-8.pdf) and then decide which chapter to read next.
Otherwise you are heading in the direction of giving new meaning to "your last election".
We will talk about ES&S in another email.
Patriots of Ukrainia.
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attorney jim,
God doesn’t need to bless Bush! Bush has already done that unto himself. And if you think I’m going to bless and support a man who is criminally responsible for massacring and maiming tens of thousands of my fellow human beings…forget it!
I might forgive him, but only after the war crimes trial!
As far as the NY Times is concerned I want to believe it’s a good paper, but when you see how even the so-called liberal press is caving in to right-wing corporate agendas, it saddens me to see it all go down the tubes. When you see the Murdoch’s and Clear Channel’s buying up the media, you see how red neck the red states are becoming. (Sorry to all you liberal red necks out there…my bad example.) Yes, there are liberal red necks…go ask Willie Nelson, the Dixie Chicks, and farmers, ranchers, southern boys and girls who really are liberal. They’re out there somewhere…hiding.
Anyway, thanks for these useful insights and avenues Brad, for we politically frustrated types. Happy holidays to you and Merry Christmas to all, even you attorney jim.
🙂
I take back everything (well almost everything) i said about paypal. I called them and the woman on the phone was very helpful. Paypal willing, you will soon have 50 of my dollars towards thanking you for your efforts.
Thanks njt! And thanks for the repeated attempts to make it work.
I was about to ask you (or anybody who had any problems with the PayPal link) to contact me via Email and let me know what the specific problem is that you are having, and I’ll try to help get it sorted out for you.
Yes, I know that some folks have some concerns about PayPal, but so far I’ve found them to be very reliable, secure and able to help when there’s been any problems. In my experience anyway.
Until I can find an alternate solution (like a direct Credit Card setup of my own, for example), it’s the best we have for the moment. And I much appreciate you (and the others) taking the extra effort to work it out!
Merry Christmas one and all…and Happy Holidays to Attorney Jim!
No worries, those that have no more hope in the "Amerikan System" – if we do not hold our democracy in the heart of its breathing and the very life we all grant it, then, as I say, no worries – it will certainly die.
The ONLY thing that is keeping our dying democracy above the drowning water is our collectively free VOICES.
Without these voices, Attorney_Jim will be all alone… because even YOU must agree with Freebird… alas, we have No More Houston to affect…
Can you, yes YOU, attorney Jim, risk what is ultimately at stake here>?
I think not.
Welcome to the "oil pan" of self-discovery….. As – even YOU must agree that we are all dupd and doomed, because, by your OWN CRITERIA – you fail. Your "voice" fails… You can only admit that you have failed, as have your predecessors… as have your Constituents~!!
Let us embrave you, hold you to TRUTH! Let us embrace your suffering, your breathing In and Out. Your steady and fast state that allow a concruence toward one small disorder~! One small -age of dissidence – one small ediface that reduces this IDIOT Ideology be the discerning familty
… for "theBushes".
Hello brad,
I am a great appreciator of the work you have been doing here. I just wanted to point out that in the NYT article I read, they do seem to point out that Blackwell was Bush Cheney co-chair:
"But Congress largely left it to the states to promulgate rules for provisional ballots, resulting in a hodgepodge of policies. In Ohio, Mr. Blackwell, who was co-chairman of Mr. Bush’s state campaign, ruled that provisional ballots would be counted only when cast from a voter’s proper precinct. (At least 26 other states followed the same practice.) Democrats challenged the ruling, but a federal court upheld Mr. Blackwell."
Or was this edited at some point? I got it off the web at about 7am EST.
Soft Bulletin –
I’d love to know the link you got that text from.
The article that I pointed to (linked here – and apologies for having forgotten to include the link when I initially published!) does not have that same text.
So please let me know the link you got that from! I’d love to see it!
Here’s the link to page 2 of the article
Or to the "Print" page
I just checked your link and when I clicked over to page 2 from there I also found it. I am in Europe and it is about 2 am here so I will be turning in. Let us know what you find out.
By the way, I am no defender of the NY Times, and especially not of Tom Zeller. Do you remember his tin foil inflected hit piece on anyone who was pointing out irregularities shortly after the election? And even if he’s singing a somewhat different tune now, it of course doesn’t go nearly far enough. Good night and Thanks(!) again for all your work here.
Here’s a link to the archive for that early (Nov. 12th) Zeller piece I mentioned, in case you missed it, entitled "Vote Fraud Theories, Spread By Blogs, Are Quickly Buried":
Unfortunately I don’t think I saved a full copy of that one.
There was also "Mostly Good Reviews for Electronic Voting," to which Zeller contributed.
Now I really am turning in.
soft bulletin: if it wasn’t for America you would be speaking german and saluting swastikas you thankless twit.
Brad: apparently this jim fellow didn’t take your warning seriously. Maybe it IS time to lock him out.
I think most of us can laugh at the ignorance and the arrogance and the irrelevance … but this kind of personal attack is, in my opinion, way offside.
jim,
You are an affront to the many brave soldiers, Americans and others, that fought the Fascist threat into the ground last time around. If it weren’t for their sacrifice, people like you would still be clamoring to join the SA. I am IN Europe. I am not European. I am an American and I am a real Patriot, one that has love and respect for the land and its people and for the many good principles on which we were founded.
It is unfortunate that meaningful dialogue with someone like you, to find out what possibly could have happened to make you so deluded and so contrary to all the best things America stands for, seems impossible. Unfortunately it may be that Ward Churchill was right when he said "there’s only one way to talk to a skinhead, with a baseball bat "
ps: If it weren’t for people like those brave soldiers then people like me, who believe in government of the people… by the people… for the people, would have died long ago in some death camp somewhere, while people like you grunted approvingly. But, we didn’t. WE WON.
A Happy Chriskwanukkah to all!
(I didn’t leave anyone out, did I?)
I think the media lockdown is good. If they covered it now , it would fizzle. Let them prepare the case, then let it all blow. The confused people of this country won’t know what hit them. Shock and awe.
Soft Bulletin –
Thanks for the links! I am embarrassed to say that I actually missed the links to pages 2 and 3 of the story when I initially reported on it!
The ending of Page 1 seemed so final, that I didn’t notice the continuation links!
My error, and clarified in the original item with an update above. Thanks for pointing it out!
Final warning, Attorney Jim. One more time, and you’re gone.
To repeat my previous warning to you: You may say whatever you wish about the issues, even if you disagree wholeheartedly with my opinions or those of other commenters.
You may NOT be disrespectful to other commenters on a personal level. And if it occurs one more time, you will be banned. I’ll be sorry to see you go since the bulk of your inane comments are a good reminder of what so many of the good folks here are up against.
But if you cannot express your point of view with respect towards others, you’re gone. Up to you.
No need to be embarassed at all. I have missed those myself, and someone that clearly covers as much material as you do in a day…..
I am impressed and encouraged that you checked it out and made the fix. That is a LOT more than the NYT ever does so it is good to see real integrity here. After checking out your site pretty close these past weeks, I am not surprised by that.
As far as a. jim goes, I hope you don’t count his little outburst at me against him. I’d hate to see him go. I enjoy that sort of thing. Find it entertaining. And as you mentioned, we all need to get used to and develop responses for the shallow inanities of his ilk. If anybody is REALLY offended or hurt by it, well they need to toughen up. There’s no use in having the truth behind you if you’re only gonna float it in an echo chamber.
I hope you’re enjoying an extremely well deserved break!
Cheers!
They did an experiment with consevatives and liberals watching scenes of violence, and the conservatives registered less of an emotional response. Maybe there really is a chemical, neurological, and thus, psychological difference. Conservatived do seem to express more hatred.
Teresa, I guess that is why it takes conservatives to protect humanity. Liberals always get themselves all tied up in a bundle over what is right and wrong because they lack morals and integrity. They will forever wring their hands over a catastrophy in the works. Thank GOD conservatives throughtout world history have retained the moral compass that the world needs to survive. Without conservative morals given to us by GOD, the world would be like …. well, like Amsterdam, where good people are fleeing everyday for any place BUT there. Of course all the immoral trash are immigrating to it.
An excellent example jim. Amsterdam and the Netherlands, members of ‘the coalition," strong supporters of the current catastrophe in Iraq, brought to us by the strong moral compass of you and your kind.
jim: the comment above represents the lowest point you have ever reached on this blog.
I have some friends who call themselves "conservative" and other friends who call themselves "Christian" and of course some who consider themselves both. Regardless of their political and religious affiliations, they are all good people. Not a single one of them is unmoved by the suffering of others.
Your comment here does a severe disservice to both conservatives and Christians; it’s plain that you do not fairly represent either group. You’re not doing much for attorneys either, now that I think about it.
Maybe you need to spend more time reading your Bible. I recommend that you start with the beatitudes.
I hardly see how taking pleasure in torture and murder for financial profit can be considered having a moral compass.
Teresa, Teresa, Teresa: your mind is full of goo. Wake up. The only people with the right ideas are the Republicans. Look at yourself as an example of what is wrong with the progressive party.
um… jimster, "right ideas"? Examples?
Conservatives protecting humanity Jim? Sorry bro! Where were they when Christian conservatives were helping bring Adolph Hitler to power? Where were they when they opposed that liberal FDR from getting involved in Europe against the Third Reich? And considering all the new weapons of death and destruction conservatives are now advocating and advancing, I fear how those weapons may be used in the hands of Christian conservative dominionists like George DUMBYA, who believe in end-times and raptures for the second coming of Christ.
If making sure 2/3 of the Jews are killed and the remainder are converted to Christianity, are not the Christian Dominionists eradicating the Jewish identity as surely as Hitler would, only in far more deadly and greater numbers? And can we expect brown-shirted Christian youth to scour the countryside hunting down homosexuals or women who’ve had abortions…for beatings, killings, and tortures ala Abu Grahib(?).
And if the "Face of Satan" was in Fallujah, did our conservative chistian soldiers destroy Satan or become Satan? How many bodies have we buried in that destroyed town in mass graves ala Saddam Hussein? And when we compel residents of that city to submit to retina scans, finger printing, dna samples, compulsory wearing of identification, and mandatory work details, are we not making an entire city a prison? And when will a rebellious liberal American city be subjected to such military oppression?
The very freedom you suggest conservatives protect is the very freedom you plan on destroying. What I have discovered is that right-wing Christian conservatives believe in freedom, liberty, and justice, but only that freedom, liberty, and justice defined by their conservative religious beliefs. As a result, in the future world of George DUMBYA, are we only going to have freedom, liberty, and justice if we’re Christian conservatives? Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buhddists, even Catholics to be subject to oppression, persecution, or even death? And for those liberals who disagree with the energy company and military industrial complex agenda, the same?
I agree that not all Christians and conservatives believe in these non-sensical schemes, but by supporting like-minded candidates, they contribute to the slippery slope we’re on. The merging of Christian dominionists with the most powerful military in the world is by far the most dangerous man-made threat to humankind ever!
Brad,
Thanks for keeping me updated on very important news events the mainstream media is pointedly ignoring. I’m writing to ask if you have heard anything about the New Hampshire recount started by Nader? All my web searches turn up is old news from last month.
Jim
Nice to see Amsterdam come up in this discussion as being immoral. As a citizen of the Netherlands and a regular visitor of the city mentioned, I’d like to say that it ain’t the melting place of all that’s immoral and bad. For starters, if there is a murder in the city it’s big news here (assuming you also know it from the shooting of Theo van Gogh), because there aren’t a lot of those… As opposed to some american cities… Second, the coffeeshops (places that are allowed to sell softdrugs) aren’t that immoral when you look closer at it. The drug use in the Netherlands is way lower than compared to countries that ban drugs altogether. The goal is to have a drug-using rate that’s as low as possible, right?
Besides, the Dutch people usually come out of global tests as being one of the happiest people on the planet (together with some of the scandinavian countries). So freedom doesn’t make people unhappy.
On the contrary…
But you’re right about one thing: our Christian Conservatives (although you would probably classify them as liberals) were the ones promoting being present in Iraq (together with the two liberal parties to put a bit of irony to it).
Great Blog Brad. No coverage of this whatsoever in the Netherlands, too bad for those of us interested…
Hey Roel,
On Behalf of America, our apologies Roel. You and your country got caught in the sawed-off shotgun crossfire of our beloved ATTORNEY JIM. LOL Glad you set him straight!
Hey Jim, what immoral conduct? Drug freedom, sexual freedom, political freedom…all those freedoms our right-wing Christian conservatives don’t want us to have. And who and your religion will dictate what is free or moral, George DUMBYA?
As our fearless leader stands on the steps of the White House declaring gay and lesbian love a sin, he’s dropping bombs, killing and maiming tens of thousands of human beings. Hmm? Thou shalt not kill…but wait a second…here it is..Commandment Number 11, thou shalt not have same sex love!
And what’s this? George DUMBYA boasts the biggest death penalty rate in the nation as Texas Governor, throwing his chest out and showing how he’s a ranching tough guy (although he’s never been a rancher). And while many of those poor lost souls condemned may have taken the life of one or two innocent human beings, George DUMBYA has beat them all with a chest beating 100,000 killed! Yee Haw!
And let’s not forget George DUMBYA’s mysterious drug forays and arrests. "Sorry Sir, I can’t take my required Air Force Reserve physical. But why Lt. Bush? Lt. Bush? Lt. Bush? I’m sorry Sir, Lt. Bush just left for Alabama." Of course, let’s also not forget George DUMBYA’s democratic success story in Afghanistan, now the biggest narco-state in the world! But hey, at least we’re getting our Trans Afghanistan Gas pipeline going. Yee Haw!
Jesus Christ stood for PEACE, LOVE, NON-VIOLENT JUSTICE, TOLERANCE, FORGIVENESS, UNITY…. If you’re going to "CONSERVE" Christianity attorney Jim and be a moral leader, you had better first understand what JESUS CHRIST, not Christian religions, have stood for, and the sad and widening difference between the two!
Hey to all the people of Netherlands!
Hey is right. Some of the most wonderful people I have ever met came from the Netherlands. I only wish that EVERYBODY could be so ‘immoral’ … One more thing: three cheers for Radio Netherlands. Thanks to Holland for a great daily broadcast and a really good website. I read it every day. Click here to see it for yourself.
It was amazing when I traveled in India many years ago. The people I met from the Netherlands spoke English with perfect American accents.
Roel, I don’t know if you remember the Provos back in the 60’s–a great progressive political group. Included in their movement was the use of free bicycles in Amsterdam. They were white colored, and used all over the streets for public transportation. We adopted the idea at the University of Wisconsin when I was there.
My friend, and sometimes Drag Queen, goes to Amsterdam as much as possible(last time he and his friends went around town dressed as nurses).
They love the freedom, openness, and joy, and always have an unforgettable good time.
I agree, the legalization of soft drugs is a fantastic idea.
I believe in leaglizing and controlling all drugs and break the back of the drug cartels and mob bosses economically. Tax the garbage and invest in mental health care, education, and drug rehabilitation instead of pouring billions into the phony WAR ON DRUGS and the phony WAR ON TERROR!
You all should check out NARCO NEWS about the US and Latin America. Great articles! Especially about how the US military is down there, involved in the Civil War in Colombia under the pretense of fighting drugs, but actually helping protect the interests of America’s oil and gas industry!
Remember Nancy Reagun’s "Just Say No To Drugs"? Can’t believe they still sell that line while their Republican friends in the pharmacuetical industry fill the media with their drug pitches to help overmedicate an entire country.
The legalization will probably be necessary for the tax base when the economic sh** hits the fan.
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