No properly trained USPS mail delivery person would leave the ballots as shown.

I am guessing maybe a Saturday fill-in worker dispirited at their likely loss of even one day of work thanks to the stinking Republiscum out to destroy the Postal Service. Maybe they even paid $250 for a study program to ace the Postal test.

Otherwise I call foul - BS - bogus setup, since the ballots fit in the mailboxes if bother to unlock with a passkey.

Isn't this site blowing the lid off of easily hacked voting machines? Vote by mail so far is not easily rigged to produce the in-your-face-yes-we-stole-it 54-46 Republiscum victory.

I live in Oregon, which is all vote-by-mail, all the time, for several years now. I like it and trust it and don't think there is much fraud involved. Where we live you must sign your ballot and the signature is looked at before the ballot is opened. There are also free ballot deposit boxes at government places like libraries or the county courthouse to deposit them if you don't want to pay the postage. If something happens to your ballot and you can't find it when it's time to vote you can get another one, no problem. They find non-matching signatures once in a while, and go after the people who cast those ballots. One was a woman who was in the hospital after surgery. I can't remember the outcome, but it seemed to be her politically-employed husband (either an office holder or a party chairman) voted for her while she was drugged up. I also know that the election board has called people about questions about their signature, allowing them to come down to the office and show I.D. to verify their ballot. But that only works if you vote early, if you turn things in at 7:45 on election day you're screwed.

Irwin Mainway said @ 1:

I am guessing maybe a Saturday fill-in worker dispirited at their likely loss of even one day of work thanks to the stinking Republiscum out to destroy the Postal Service.

For what it's worth, the photo was taken on a Thursday.

Otherwise I call foul - BS - bogus setup, since the ballots fit in the mailboxes if bother to unlock with a passkey.

Also, FWIW, some of the ballots were inside some voters mailboxes at the same building.

Isn't this site blowing the lid off of easily hacked voting machines? Vote by mail so far is not easily rigged to produce the in-your-face-yes-we-stole-it 54-46 Republiscum victory.

Where fraud happens, it's usually via Vote-by-Mail. Whether or not it's easy to defraud an entire election with that message is a separate issue. The point here is that a) Permanent Vote-by-Mail/Absentee voting is an open invitation to fraud and b) Where Republicans pretend polling place Photo ID laws are needed to prevent "voter fraud", such laws do nothing to prevent absentee fraud, which is FAR more prevalent than polling place impersonation. And c) Republicans know that, don't care and want polling place Photo ID simply to disenfranchise Democratic-leaning voters.

Mcarson said @ 2:

I live in Oregon, which is all vote-by-mail, all the time, for several years now.

Been wondering what took you guys so long to show up!

I like it and trust it and don't think there is much fraud involved.

No worries about stuff like this?: "Oregon Dept. of Justice Confirms Investigation of GOP Ballot Tampering in Clackamas County"

...Or this?: "Oregon Man Convicted of Fraud After Offering $20 for Blank Vote-by-Mail Ballots"

Beyond that, "trust" doesn't come in to play in American elections. Or shouldn't. Our system is build on checks and balances, not trust. While Oregon's VBM system is among the best in the nation, it still has many holes and reasons for concern. While you discuss things like what to do "If something happens to your ballot and you can't find it when it's time to vote you can get another one, no problem," etc., you don't discuss concerns about vote buying/selling/intimidation, etc. that can't happen when folks vote at the polls.

Yes, I appreciate that you folks in OR find the system convenient, as do most VBM voters elsewhere. That doesn't mean it's secure, unfortunately.

Brad wrote:

Yes, I appreciate that you folks in OR find the system convenient, as do most VBM voters elsewhere. That doesn't mean it's secure, unfortunately.

The most convenient way to vote is on the keyboard of your computer. It's also the most insecure.

Perhaps there's a scientific principle involved, an inverse ratio between the degree of convenience and the degree of security of the vote.

Of course, if voters like Mcarson don't really care whether or not their votes are accurately counted, then their preference for convenience is understandable.

Sorry I missed the PDA IOT Voter Integrity Call tonight; did not see the ;notice until this evening and it was mailed in the afternoon..

I reviewed the data on VBM from the Oregon Secretary of State review report, this being a few years ago. Their data is very impressive re security, voter participation and accuracy. I saw a vote receptacle this summer; looked like a mailbox except for the tank-like structural design....I doubt that it could ever be broken in to. Although many statements are made denigrating VBM there is a total blank re any data to support these presumed shortcomings. Review the Oregon SOS report; then do the criticism....

Thanks for your thoughts, Raymond. I'm sorry you missed the PDA call tonight, though it was an "Election Integrity" call, not a "Voter Integrity" call. The voter's are doing fine. Please leave them alone.

As to my specific response to your points, please see my comment above @ 4 to Mcarson and get back to me. While the Oregon SoS from several years ago is no longer there, I hope you'll read my comments above @ 4, and then get back to me. Thanks!

Brad... Colorado is where this story us playing out. First election after precinct polling terminated.It seems many counties are offering only DRE for in person voting and not paper except in mail -in packets.

7000 incorrect ballots sent to Summit County voters.

Lots of ballot packets in trash.

Marilyn Marks leading effort to litigate to correct for illegal effects of new HB 13-1303 bill of which there are many when you look at details the promoters overlooked when ignoring our attempts to hrlp...(Democratic Party legislative caucus and the 2/3 GOP affiliated members of Colorado County Clerks Association. Zero GOP legislators voted for that 120 page bill.

Major vendors lined up to respond to Uniform Voting System RFP...

Too much to type on my phone.

Harvie

Re Harvie Branscomb @8.

Thanks for directing us to what is taking place in CO.

There can be no question that VBM is preferable to in-person voting on the 100% unverifiable DREs.