‘Green News Report’ – July 10, 2012

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    Davey Crocket said on 7/12/2012 @ 5:45am PT: [Permalink]

    “Baby It’s HOT Outside: Hottest 12 Months on Record for U.S”

    Desi, I hope you have read the articles and follow ups with regard to the 1 in 1,594,323 statistical calculation of the good Dr. Masters. If you did, then you know that he has caught a lot of shit for this little statistic. He had to post a retraction…and the excuse is that doing the analysis right is very complicated. NOAA also had to crawfish on this one. Lovely

    I would encourage you to read a different analysis that totally debunks the good Dr’s work.

    The real answer is more like 1 in 2.6.

    In reality, I wish that everyone one accept Dr. Master’s number as the truth. Then we could all breath a sigh of relief knowing that this whole hot weather thing is only going to happen one more time between now and 124,652!! Whew!

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    Dredd said on 7/12/2012 @ 12:41pm PT: [Permalink]

    Is it a good thing that global warming induced climate change is decided by the exceptional weather of the U.S.eh? in the minds of some?

    I am sure the rest of the world (global) is waiting with bated breath for us to pontificate why they are experiencing the same lunatic weather changes that are killing and maiming hundreds of people regularly, destroying crops regularly, causing drought regularly, and causing the Navy to make plans for a big Singapore type port in Greenland.

    Ditto for the U.S. Court system.

    Denialism is not what is used to be.

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    Desi Doyen said on 7/12/2012 @ 1:35pm PT: [Permalink]

    You know, Davey — it’s also kinda weird that you just completely glossed over the context of that illustrative but inaccurate statistic — that the last 12 months are the hottest on record for the US…
    and the impact on crops
    the impact on human life
    the impact on the electric grid
    the impact on the economy from losses in these extreme events…
    and so much more.

    It’s not a good thing for extreme weather to go from being 1-in-100 year or 1-in-1000 year events to once in every two or three years, which is what the scientific evidence indicates we’re headed toward.

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    Desi Doyen said on 7/12/2012 @ 2:04pm PT: [Permalink]

    Here ya go, Davey — a better calculation of the illustration, that also debunks your buddy, Anthony Watts.

    How statistically unusual was the heat wave?:

    “Lucia took it upon herself to perform a revision of the NOAA/Masters analysis and still found this warmth represents an exceptionally rare event: “The probability of the recent event really is quite low . . . I am getting a probability less than 1 in 100,000…”

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    Rick H. said on 7/12/2012 @ 2:12pm PT: [Permalink]

    Every one of these calcs about the last thirteen months is useless, by the way, cause it’ll soon be fourteen.

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    Davey Crocket said on 7/12/2012 @ 6:16pm PT: [Permalink]

    Desi,

    Your original post was 1 in 1,594,323. It is wrong. Nobody has fallen behind that prediction because it was stupid. Is it 1 in 100,000 or 1 in 2.6 or something else? My point is that 1 in 1,594,323 fit your meme so you happily used it. You were not motivated to use Dr. Google in retort until my post.

    You scour the internet using your keyboard and post whatever appears on your screen that appeals to you…I can only guess that is what you are doing. It is sensational and that is what you want.

    If you want to change the world, do the diligence and pick just a few articles and vet them with your own intelligence and present them to us. We know how to use google.

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    Davey Crocket said on 7/12/2012 @ 6:27pm PT: [Permalink]

    Desi,

    Post #5

    Do you think conservatives, like me, hate the earth…the environment…?

    We want to destroy crops?
    We want to destroy the electric grid?

    Do you think we want to suck the marrow out of the earth’s core and then move on to another planet?

    Just curious.

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    Davey Crocket said on 7/12/2012 @ 6:30pm PT: [Permalink]

    Desi,

    I did a calculation last week. In the last 6 years, I have backpacked, hiked, canoed, over 650 miles in the US wilderness. Over 400 miles in the boundary waters alone!

    In Sep, I will prolly do another 50 miles in the BWCAW.

    Nobody loves this earth more than I.

    Nobody loves the truth more than I.

    Been in the wilderness lately??

    I was there for 12 days…two weeks ago.

    Just sayin…

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    Desi Doyen said on 7/12/2012 @ 11:00pm PT: [Permalink]

    Davey @ #8… “Fit the meme”? What meme? That 1 in 1.5 million number came from the National Climate Data Center, the authors of the study. Again, they used it in an honest attempt to put last week’s record heatwave into context for non-scientists. Sure, it’s funny as hell that the NCDC used a dumb example, but it doesn’t change their overall conclusions in the study or the overall body of climate science. Masters updated his original blog item (linked above) to make note of the change.

    For those who are interested in a better understanding of the scientific evidence of climate change, including the uncertainties, go to the SkepticalScience.com.

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