Indeed, Jesse "The Mind" . . .
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SNAP!

That was a perfect statement. He connected all the dots and did it from a position of experience and patriotism. Jesse V has always been a guilty political pleasure of mine.

Wilburrr... ~ when it comes to torture;

The Bottom Line is . . .
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bush cheney & rumsfeld called ALL the shots!

BTW ~ Give'em Hell Nancy P. ~ You go girl ! ! !
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You give me a waterboard, Dick Cheney and one hour, and I'll have him confess to the Sharon Tate murders.

Of course this would be a more impressive demonstration if Cheney were to confess to something in which he did not plausibly have a hand.

ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!

OMG! Michael!

For once someone who doesn't use big elaberate words to sound smart. Went to the bottom line right from wrong. We need to hear more from actual waterboard victims as it is one thing to judge without understanding than with someone who actually wore waterboard shoes.

If it is infact torture than PROSECUTE!
If you saved 100 people is it ok then to kill only 2.

Of course the fact of whether credible info was extracted should hold some accord.

We want to hold top exec's responsible for our economic hardships but when the top exec's in government screw up we give them a pass? Democracy for all not just constituents.

A former president should never have to face prison ,in my opinion, who knows what secrets he has that should not be let out.

If you can't do the time, don't do the crime, even if you are or were the president. Period. This is not a monarchy. It's the rule of law. * and Fudd broke it, big time, and we are not America if they are not prosecuted.

Agent 99

I agree however we do need some kind of responsibility to the people. The president is the leader of the free USA. If we are unable to take some of the fall due to standing back? Then your right this isn't a Democracy. Then we the people have simply given them too much power without proper oversight.

The TRUTH? The truth is we all had a pretty good idea that all this was going on when IT WAS ALL GOING ON! We didn't step up then, so we will step up now after we have reaped the benefits and the downs.

He is the worst "Fudd" because we allowed him to be.

Do you remember the push for Clinton's impeachment for simply a selfish act of getting his knob slobbed? (Who wouldn't of Lied?)

vague said,
"The TRUTH? The truth is we all had a pretty good idea that all this was going on when IT WAS ALL GOING ON! We didn't step up then, so we will step up now after we have reaped the benefits and the downs.

He is the worst "Fudd" because we allowed him to be. "

what a crock...i didnt allow anything,we the people have no power,and what benefits are you talking about? the bs lie that torture saved lives? i watched the un inspector on racheal last night telling how the former saddam peops couldnt spill fast enough with regular questioning,they wanted to be on the power side, which was our side,cheney wanted torture used because he needed a false alqueda/iraq connection for his illegal war

the people that tortured and the people that ordered it should be put down like rabid dogs..they are ruined and worthless...anyone that is capable of that kind of thing should not be walking loose in society

comaparing clintons blow job lie to lies that killed thousands,dispaced millions,maimed many of our sons and daughters is neo con stupidity

here is the funny(odd) part..it all comes down to not counting the votes accurately...if florida had been counted(as lance dehaven smith has proven) gore would of been president,i do not believe he would of ignored the warnings of 9-11,or ignored the retaliation necessary for the cole bombing,problem solved and the nightmare of the last 8 years wouldnt of happened

I always enjoyed listening to the former governor Jesse Ventura. He's a straight shooter like Kucinich.

You know what's missing...Shame. Where's "shame" gone? We need religion to scare the B-Jesus out of us again

Brad...can this be fixed. If you forget to put your name in the comment is wiped out and for foggy brains that's a pain

South America is to the Nazis ... What

Shame on Yous !
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Hey in no way am I sticking up for Bush and his creepie crawlies. But its not up to me its up to US people of the USA.

I think you might just want to pick a fight? I was in no way comparing Clinton to Bush only stating the fact that, there was a push for his ousting due to his personal sexual deviance. Yet Bush pursued personal vandetas at the cost of you, yours, and others.

As I also was refering to the fact that if you let someone pull the woal over your eyes, are you not just as guilty as them to allow it to happen more than once?

Prosecute all of them I agree, but first put all the info on the table and let american's stand behind each other and keep the political system moving.It could turn into a fiasco or finally put a bandaid on a pussing wound.

If I have learned anything in life, it doesn't much matter what you want, majority rules.

Vague~

I understand your larger point - which to my mind is steady fact: the majority rules and in this case, the majority rolled and folded. You're right.

That said, your astute comments were diluted a bit for me as well by the above quote that Karen from Illinois is responding to. I think you've touched a nerve, at least for me, in assigning the bad-guy majority title to 'We, the People' in such broad, sweeping strokes. The nuance you have missed is us.

I bristle for those of us who have suffered most in exposing the sad, unbearable truths of the last eight years; the ones who take civic duty to heart (and into action) at the cost of all else. A hardy, hyper-aware, but not-at-all-mighty minority, some here have given their lives, most have given their health, all have given at least a decade of their lives. Families were neglected. Careers ended. Innocent citizens jailed. Good people marginalized and threatened.

Forgive us if we seem a tad sensitive about being lumped in with the folks we tried to tell at cocktail parties who just. didn't. want. to know. No one can hold any active member of this forum feet to the fire for democracy unattended. We are the haunted first responders.

Just for context: Karen from Illinois is just such a wonder. A brilliant mathematician, she works election numbers like a cross-word puzzle prodigy. The number of anomalies she found in the '08 Primaries is staggering, and I have never known her to be off.

To my knowledge, none of her findings have ever been followed up on by state or local officials, despite validation from reputable sources, and her tireless attempts call attention to impossible results.

The last paragraph from her above post moves me to tears.

...the folks we tried to tell at cocktail parties who just. didn't. want. to know.

You know, Jeannie, I just can't stop thinking about that phrase, and it is crucial, a crucial point. I think most of us tend to let this make us believe these people aren't behind us, covertly. I think most of them are, but are simply too conditioned to remain utterly cold, outside, to what isn't socially acceptable, what is counter to the flow, the herd, the establishment's given order to things. I think most of them yearn inside for the right stuff to happen, but cannot bust loose of that conditioning, that existential terror of being out of the safety of what looks to be the herd. I really, really think that old "silent majority" wants justice and the Constitution back and to quit having to play innocent when they know in their bones we're not. Almost everyone, even the stupidest among us, are way smarter than we ever realize.

I understand and respect passion. Everyone should have passion in their lives.

I believe most americans want to simply live their lives and not be concerned about the next conspiracy or media provoked drama. They trust in the checks and balances and don't realize that their voice is as important as the next.

On the other hand their hard earned money goes to paying these politicians and they are subjected to their end result, whatever that maybe.

Its not we the people anymore
Corporate America - What will you do for me?

We have Wars fought on American streets everyday. Shouldn't you take out your trash before you take out theirs?

Big Companies Big Money!

The election process is the problem. Nothing is uniform across the board. No matter the numbers they are subjected to the process.

Too fix a problem you have to first identify and eliminate the variables.

Proposals or Questions (interpretive statements)
You should be allowed to have proper representation from your lawyer before voting.

Bradblog should take proposals and have several people read them and ask them what they actually voted for or against. That would be educational and amusing.

Unreal !
These republicans/war criminals are ...
*HIDING* Behind Nancy Pelosi's Skirt !

It must be getting very crouded back there
Just like the gop closet. . . Hmmmm...
& BTW ~ This is so Gingrich of them!
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In this era of terrorism and nuclear weapons it's mind boggling that Jessee Ventura isn't willig to use any means necessary to prevent a terrorist attack that possibly kill millions. Instead Mr. Ventura thinks we need to follow the law to the letter. Maybe it's time for Mr. Ventura to go to law school and become a lawyer. There are already too many useless lawyers running this country into the ground.

What I like is that Larry was trying to goad him into criticizing Obama, and Jesse just kept going back to Bush and Cheney... it really shows the difference between a straight-shooter, who knows the difference between important events and trivialities, and the bunch of CIA whores we call the media

Chris don't get me wrong, someone hurts my family or friends and I'll come with whatever means necessary.

Our elected officials have to base their present decisions on a futuristic time table. With that in mind in order to eliminate future attacks you have to be prepared to do it by your means and not theirs. That holds us up above them. Our way is better. We need to keep America's integrity in order to lead. If we have rights than should all others.

I always liked Jesse, not the least reason because he proved a 3rd party/independent can successfully make it to the Governor's office.

No, he wasn't perfect as governor, but in most cases he did the kind of things a political leader SHOULD do.

gravel kucinich paul nader
mckinney ventura too
RATM

Actually, those Mr. Gingrich has been attacking as terrorists were a group of millitant pro-American Muslims fighting communism.