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"'Fixed' AZ Election Detailed in Letter to State AG"
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COMMENT #1 [Permalink]
said on 7/21/2008 @ 1:54 pm PT...
The answer is: Hand Counted Paper Ballots. Nothing less will be sufficient; nothing more is needed. Those who are against hand counted paper ballots are either ignorant or complicit with the election theft operation. Period.
COMMENT #2 [Permalink]
said on 7/21/2008 @ 3:05 pm PT...
With so little news coverage on serious problems like the one you report on here getting in the way of the will of the voters being realized, I was shocked to learn about the frontpage story in USA Today where the Brennan Center for Justice at New York University School of Law claims its study shows that ballot design is the only problem we have.
Election fraud is all over, the GOP is caging votes, wiping voters off the voting rolls, and we see the privatization of the election process and yet this study says there isn't an instance where a computer has fouled-up a vote by itself.
What is this nonsense about?
I look forward to getting some analysis on this study (it sounds like a red herring to me). In the meantime, thank you for covering the other problems that aren't so obvious.
COMMENT #3 [Permalink]
said on 7/21/2008 @ 3:36 pm PT...
If you care about election integrity and want to make sure that your vote is counted as cast, then PLEASE CONTACT ATTORNEY GENERAL GODDARD'S OFFICE and insist that he reopen the criminal case in the 2006 RTA election on the basis of this new evidence and order a recount of the ballots. Here is the AG's contact info:
Attorney General Terry Goddard
Office of the Attorney General
1275 West Washington Street
Phoenix, AZ 85007
800.352.8431 (toll free)
COMMENT #4 [Permalink]
John R Brakey
said on 7/21/2008 @ 8:35 pm PT...
This is a short video clip of Attorney Bill Risner deposing Bryan Crane 2/27/07. It’s a must see clip of a very nervous, guilt ridden county election computer operator. After watching this you can understand what guilt does and why Crane confessed to Zbgniew Osmolski.
Osmolski Affidavit, quotes Bryan Crane as saying that he was told to fix the election by his bosses, it is clear that County management has a potential motive to obstruct an investigation just as they have done.
A press report last week quoted Bryan Crane as saying he had to look up on a map where the Boondocks Bar was located. However he got there, he was seen that evening by another available witness who knows Mr. Crane. Mr. Osmolski related his conversation with Mr. Crane to four separate people at the bar that evening.
Confession is good for the soul.
Jim March and I are genuinely concerned for this guy.
Crane obviously knows a lot.
All this suggests he’s a weak link in a criminal enterprise involving very powerful people…and that’s not a healthy thing to be in anywhere.
Jim March and I are advocating that Bryan Crane get immunity in exchange for giving up the big bosses in Pima County running an election fraud scheme.
As Attorney Bill Risner says in the letter to the Attorney General Terry Goddard:.
“The truthfulness of Mr. Crane’s confession can readily be determined by examining the ballots. As noted by Michael Shamos, the proof is in the ballots.”
COMMENT #5 [Permalink]
said on 7/21/2008 @ 8:49 pm PT...
Lets hope the RTA ballots are recounted before
we find ourselves in the midst of the upcoming
Thanks and Good Luck
COMMENT #6 [Permalink]
said on 7/22/2008 @ 5:13 am PT...
As is well known, Arizona Politics have been run since the time of Kemper Marley by the Liquor and gambling interests of the Lansky-Bronfman organized crime syndicate. A little thing like the flipping of a vote should not surprise anyone. The gang in charge is busy right now trying to figure out how they're going to get their darling "War Hero" John McCain of Keating five fame, elected President of the whole Country, thus delivering the Nation into the hands of the Mob. Of course, the Republican Party has been largely controlled by the Syndiicate since the time of Richard Nixon - remember Frank Fitzsimmons? But - I dunno - rule by the crime families might be preferable to rule by big oil. In neither case do the people want what they're likely to get, but honest politics became an oxymoron a generation ago.
COMMENT #7 [Permalink]
said on 7/22/2008 @ 5:41 am PT...
We've had two years to fight for paper ballots and rid the possibilty of another rigged election. We now near another major, very important election with the Repubs absolutely desperate to stay in power with a truly inadequate candidtate . . . What do you think these scoundrals will do? Scares me . . .
COMMENT #8 [Permalink]
John R Brakey
said on 7/22/2008 @ 6:17 am PT...
Tedegger, I agree with you about "Arizona Politics have been run since the time of Kemper Marley by the Liquor and…” however I would also add ‘Land Fraud’ See the IRE History | The Arizona Project, land fraud and organized crime made his murder a cowardly act” The 1976, Arizona Republic reporter Don Bolles, one of IRE's founding members, was called to meeting in a downtown Phoenix hotel by a source promising him information about land fraud involving organized crime. The source didn't show up. Bolles left the hotel, got into his car parked outside and turned the key. A powerful bomb ripped through the car, leaving Bolles mortally injured.
”Over the next 10 days, doctors amputated both Bolles' legs and an arm, but could not save him”
Nothing is fixed till we know why it broke.
This is a good read into recent history of organized crime in Arizona http://www.ire.org/history/arizona.html
COMMENT #9 [Permalink]
said on 7/22/2008 @ 6:31 am PT...
Though iBeta saw instances of possible tampering, it decided they were simply the result of "human error."
This points out something weird about election forensics in general. In other fields, like accounting, when something doesn't look right you don't see the auditor speculating about motivation. In other words, an auditor will just say something like "due to missing checks and balances, we decline to state any opinion on the accuracy of the results" --- and everyone knows what that means: The people might have been cheating, but REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THEY WERE OR WERE NOT, the breakdown in checks and balances alone means that the results cannot be trusted.
You also see auditors writing things like "funds collected were not deposited into the account. Mr. [name] should repay the funds." Note that this sidesteps whether Mr. [name] stole the funds or it was "human error" --- auditors don't care.
Sometimes you even see auditors writing things like this: "Due to the missing checks and balances and therefore, the high risk of fraud, we have disclaimed any opinion on the accuracy of the financial reports provided. We have contacted the prosecuting attorney."
In elections, time after time, we see these election consultants and state officials tripping over themselves in their haste to say there was no foul play, that it was "human error."
Every embezzler tries to build in plausible deniability. In a sane world, that doesn't get them off the hook.
To follow up on one of my earlier questions, about Mr. Osmolski, as John Brakey clarified, Osmolski was indeed someone who had worked for the county, and had been involved in a prior whistleblowing action. It would be interesting to find out more about that.
We tend to see the same faces on the periphery of various scandals. The current one, about elections, would appear to connect to land developers and whoever they hold sway with at the county supervisor level. How many of the sups are the same now as before when Osmolski blew the whistle? And wasn't that a transportation issue, and this toasted election is a transportation bond issue?
I have no doubt that Brakey and March are following the money trail on this. If government investigators are (inappropriately) proclaiming "human error" instead of just reporting the facts, somehow I have more faith in Brakey & March getting to the bottom of this than the A.G.
Sad state of affairs.
COMMENT #10 [Permalink]
said on 7/22/2008 @ 7:07 am PT...
"The answer is: Hand Counted Paper Ballots. Nothing less will be sufficient; nothing more is needed..."
Your first sentence addresses the future. We have to address the present, and deal with crimes by investigating & prosecuting them, no matter how long it takes or who is in office.
Just as Obama adviser Cass Sunstein, at Friday's netroots convention, said we should ignore all the Bushcrime (good band name?) of the last 7-8 years, election officials want this Pima county situation swept under the rug with everything else.
No. It's a crime, goddammit. Maybe it's already too late, but until they close the borders and have goddamn microchips implanted in all our brains, we can't give up.
COMMENT #11 [Permalink]
John R Brakey
said on 7/22/2008 @ 12:33 pm PT...
From Beth Ford, Pima County Treasurer
July 21, 2008
In my role as Pima Country Treasurer, I intend to file a declaratory judgment action in Pima County Superior Court on Tuesday of this week, requesting that the Court determine my obligations pursuant to §16-624 of the Arizona Revised Statutes (“A.R.S.”) with respect to the Pima County ballots from the May 16, 2006, special election for the establishment of the Regional Transportation Authority, as well as the Pima County ballots from the 2006 primary and general elections.
A.R.S. §16-624 provides that in a local election, such as the one establishing the Regional Transportation Authority, the County Treasurer shall maintain the ballots for a period of six months after the election. This statute also requires the County Treasurer to maintain ballots for an election involving a federal office, such as the 2006 primary and general elections, for a period of twenty-four months. In the event that a recount has not been ordered or legal action has not been initiated within a six-month period, the statute requires the County Treasurer to destroy the ballots.
Following the May 16, 2006, special election, I retained possession of the ballots for the required six-month period, and, upon the advice of the Pima County Attorney’s Office, I continued to retain them thereafter throughout the course of legal proceedings that were initiated by the Democratic Party of Pima County in which it sought the disclosure of elections databases and contended that the 2006 election ballots for Pima County, including the Regional Transportation Authority election ballots, were relevant to those proceedings.
The Court has issued a final Order in the action that was initiated by the Democratic Party and the time for an appeal has expired. I am thus faced with the issue of whether, pursuant to A.R.S. §16-624, I am now required to destroy the May 16, 2006, election ballots. On June 27, 2008, I wrote a letter to each of the political parties represented in the election advising them of the provisions of A.R.S. §16-624. In my letter, I indicated that if the recipient of the letter objected to having the ballots destroyed pursuant to A.R.S. §16-624, the recipient should notify me of such objection by July 11, 2008. My letter also stated that if I received any objections, I would not destroy the ballots but instead would seek guidance from the Pima County Superior Court by filing an action for a declaratory judgment.
The Democratic and Libertarian Parties of Pima County timely notified me of their objections to having the Regional Transportation Authority ballots destroyed. I also received a similar objection letter from two members of the Pima County Board of Supervisors and understand that the Board as a whole and the Pima County Manager may request that the ballots be retained. Therefore, I intend to initiate the action for a declaratory judgment. Although the twenty-four month periods following the 2006 primary and general elections have not yet expired, they will soon expire. I have been advised that some of the political parties may object to the destruction of the ballots from those elections as well; therefore, in the declaratory judgment action, I will also request the Court’s determination as to my obligations in retaining or destroying those ballots. My legal counsel has been in contact with attorneys in the Pima County Attorney’s Office and the Arizona Attorney General’s Office, and attorneys representing the Democratic, Republican and Libertarian parties to coordinate in a cooperative fashion this upcoming legal filing.
I do not intend to take a position in the declaratory judgment action concerning whether the ballots should be retained or destroyed. I simply wish to obtain direction from the Court concerning the proper handling of these ballots in light of A.R.S. §16-624 and the objections that have been raised.