READER COMMENTS ON
"Mukasey Confirmed in Senate 53-40"
(39 Responses so far...)
COMMENT #1 [Permalink]
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Soul Rebel
said on 11/9/2007 @ 6:39 am PT...
Four Democratic presidential candidates had an opportunity to go on the record and stand against torture. Cowards. Absolute cowards.
Kucinich '08
www.Call4Democracy.org
COMMENT #2 [Permalink]
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GWN
said on 11/9/2007 @ 6:47 am PT...
Therefore, "all Republicans who were present, Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-CN) and six senior Democrats" must hate the troops because "Former Navy instructor Malcolm Nance said he considered it a "guarantee" that other nations now have "a legal standard to subject American soldiers to enhanced interrogations" http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/004669.php
COMMENT #3 [Permalink]
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oneguy
said on 11/9/2007 @ 7:33 am PT...
In our wonderfully technically advanced society everyone should have big smiles on their faces. We won, we are at the top of the food chain. We have scientists and prefab molded houses with running hot water and super fast internet connections. We have rocket ships that take us to the moon. We have portable cell phones for awesome portable communication and digital music players for jamming out. We are so awesome and advanced and smart and evolved. Humans from hundreds of years ago should be jealous of our greatness.
Yet we still torture people at a medieval level.
Might I suggest a subscriber web cam for torture enthusiasts.
Or how about using Gatoraid instead of water, You know it's got electrolytes in it.
Maybe we can make a machine to recycle the water being used for the water boarding so we don't waste to much of it. Or even use the fecal matter being produced when victims(I mean lucky contestants) poop themselves for power of said machine.
That being said I encourage all of you to visit my ebay site and buy my (patented) home version. You get a board, a cloth, some shackles, and an attachment to go on your garden hose, plus for a small fee you can have your very own gitmo detainee for exclusive in your home interigation.
What to much you say, OK
I've also got a set specifically designed for kids. Now your kids can play interrogation with the neighborhood kids. This set is the same as above only everything is smaller. Sorry no detainee with this set you will have to use a dog or other small creature if you are by yourself.
COMMENT #4 [Permalink]
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CharlieL
said on 11/9/2007 @ 7:48 am PT...
Troops are just "fodder" to Rethuglicans. Really, they would prefer to conduct their wars from the sky with easily dropped bombs, but the reality of War makes that impossible for these chickenhawks to comprehend.
Because they have never BEEN in war and do not understand the possibility of torture of OUR soliders, they have no compunction of violating international laws and standards of human decency.
Human scum one and all.
COMMENT #5 [Permalink]
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Dredd
said on 11/9/2007 @ 8:09 am PT...
They are too nice to stop fascism, just like the nice German folk who were too nice to stop Hitler.
Remember what happened to those Germans. The world is watching us go psychotic, and so is the earth.
The problem will be taken care of harshly if we do not take care of it decisively.
I will vote for none of the enablers of fascism. Not one of them. In fact I will vote against them!
COMMENT #6 [Permalink]
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Colleen
said on 11/9/2007 @ 9:01 am PT...
Great summary of what is taking place in America Jon. I just hope that if we Americans can't or won't vote all these idiots and traitors out of office, another country will occupy this nation and help us create a democratic government.
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Phil
said on 11/9/2007 @ 10:17 am PT...
A Sad Day.
Dredd, make a voting chart. There's so many fascists, I can't keep up anymore. I too don't want to vote for one of em. (That is if my vote even get's counted.)
We need a national list/chart. It's insufficient to just look up one guy at a time now (while each one tries to hide and bury his or her shit), we need a list of them and how they took action on different issues.
take the biggest issues,
impeachment
bring the troops home
habius corpus
protect the constitution or break their oath of office.
Side note: Too bad I didn't go to SF, last weekend I wanted to go and do some video and photography, but now we have oil everywhere since a cargo ship slammed the bay bridge. Friggin DEVESTATION on the west coast.
COMMENT #8 [Permalink]
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Big Dan
said on 11/9/2007 @ 10:32 am PT...
Let's not give the Republicans a pass on this because we EXPECT them to vote for torture!!! 6 Democrat traitors and THE ENTIRE REPUBLICAN PARTY are for torture!!! How come in the media the Republicans get ZERO heat for 100% of them voting for Mukasey??? Because we KNOW the Republicans are Nazi's??? And that's "OK"???
COMMENT #9 [Permalink]
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Steel Kage
said on 11/9/2007 @ 10:52 am PT...
I am so frustrated by this; the Republicans fool the Democrats over and over. I think that the democrats should listen to Henry Rollin's "LIAR" just before the dems do any negotiations with the pubes. Talking with Mukassey in a private session before voting for him is not good enough as the Bush Adminsitration most likely had that conversation bugged. National Security Directive #51 sets up martial law, and we could all be tortured. I will think of you as I am being toruted...or whatever they will be calling it then.
My vote is now for courageous Kucinich..I have sent money..and he has my time as a volunteer.
COMMENT #10 [Permalink]
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Bluebear2
said on 11/9/2007 @ 4:02 pm PT...
COMMENT #11 [Permalink]
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Ancient
said on 11/9/2007 @ 4:28 pm PT...
OT
Just in case anyone is havng withdrawl from MSM...
Here's Dick's Dick, friends and undoubtly benificiaries...in the gross misfortune of WE THE PEOPLE!
Impeachment will be the most meaningful thing this coutry can do to gain it's credibility back RIGHT NOW!!!!!!
COMMENT #12 [Permalink]
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Ancient
said on 11/9/2007 @ 4:39 pm PT...
Okay the link won't let me copy it. But, please go look up Richard Mellon Scaife on the washington post web site, and do please read about the GOOD? Conservatives who love to hold sway with our Government !
COMMENT #13 [Permalink]
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Ancient
said on 11/9/2007 @ 4:53 pm PT...
And YES, THANK YOU KEITH!
COMMENT #14 [Permalink]
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Agent 99
said on 11/9/2007 @ 4:56 pm PT...
Ancient
I'm trying to help you out but you need to give the title of the piece or the date, something to give us a better clue which article you are referring to.
COMMENT #15 [Permalink]
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Sundog
said on 11/9/2007 @ 5:16 pm PT...
We are living in a dark time and the criminals are in charge for now....I think we all will need to get up and become part of a great movement to overthrow the cabal that has taken over both parties of our government. Impeachment first, then vote for Dennis Kucinich or Ron Paul for your freedom and future.
COMMENT #16 [Permalink]
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Ancient
said on 11/9/2007 @ 7:14 pm PT...
COMMENT #17 [Permalink]
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Ancient
said on 11/9/2007 @ 8:05 pm PT...
Did yinz guys read that bullshit yet? Is that "fair game or what?"
COMMENT #18 [Permalink]
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Agent 99
said on 11/9/2007 @ 8:28 pm PT...
Somebody should find out where those trusts are coming from. The vast right wing conspiracy pays its media extremely handsomely.....
COMMENT #19 [Permalink]
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Ancient
said on 11/9/2007 @ 8:36 pm PT...
As if people haven't been trying for years to unearth that skeleton.
COMMENT #20 [Permalink]
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Ancient
said on 11/9/2007 @ 8:51 pm PT...
Ya know 99, I just watched The Black Dahliah and that was insightful.
COMMENT #21 [Permalink]
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Ancient
said on 11/9/2007 @ 9:15 pm PT...
To those that we ended in South Africa,
Heil to ending this shit!
YOU CAN HIDE...
BUT WTH THE WORLD AS ONE...
REDEMPTION IS YOUR BEST BET.
COMMENT #22 [Permalink]
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Ancient
said on 11/9/2007 @ 9:38 pm PT...
And Blood Diamonds was pretty good too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
COMMENT #23 [Permalink]
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Agent 99
said on 11/9/2007 @ 10:31 pm PT...
I just watched Farmer Astronaut and I'm thinkin' that's the way I want to go.
COMMENT #24 [Permalink]
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neildeal
said on 11/9/2007 @ 10:39 pm PT...
I wish the Dems would quit whining about not having enough votes. Why don't they raise hell? Why don't they do everything in their power to stop Bush? Cut off the money!!
Are they on the take?
Are they being blackmailed?
Are they so worried about hurting their chances for the presidency that they'll ignore the will of the people and allow troops to die in Iraq for another year?
Short of Hillary eating a baby on national television, I don't think that their is any ballsy move that would hurt their public image and make people vote Republican.
Everyone knows that Bush is psycho!! What's the delay?
COMMENT #25 [Permalink]
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Agent 99
said on 11/9/2007 @ 10:54 pm PT...
Are they on the take?
Are they being blackmailed?
Are they so worried about hurting their chances for the presidency that they'll ignore the will of the people and allow troops to die in Iraq for another year?
Yes.
Yes.
Absolutely yes.
COMMENT #26 [Permalink]
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Ancient
said on 11/9/2007 @ 11:00 pm PT...
But I will call on Rep. Conyers TO DO THE RIGHT THING, at this POINT AND TIME IN HISTORY.
COMMENT #27 [Permalink]
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Ancient
said on 11/9/2007 @ 11:24 pm PT...
Wake up and believe in the real America, that will never be diminished by such fools as we have now.
COMMENT #28 [Permalink]
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Dredd
said on 11/10/2007 @ 3:30 am PT...
Phil #7 et al
I have sobered up from my binge on hope wine. Hoping America still exists was just a stone fantasy.
I am thinking of voting green candidates for every office for the rest of my days, not just local offices.
But Big Dan #8 makes a good point. Voting is mostly punishment these daze. It would punish the republicans to vote in democrats and vote out republicans, however, it is very little punishment.
The dems become corrupt too quickly once they get into office.
I suggest greens have a better psychological profile to resist the corruption.
The bottom line is anything but republicans for the next 3-5 elections. And I think a move from dems too, toward greens, would be the apex.
We simply do not have enough true Americans running any more ... they are mostly war mongering horrids.
COMMENT #29 [Permalink]
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Soul Rebel
said on 11/10/2007 @ 6:40 am PT...
Soul Rebel is running. www.Call4Democracy.org
Unfortunately, I have to run as a Democrat, at least until the primary is done with. My main competitor in the primary race is pulling in big donations. Me, I'm all but refusing to take any money at all.
COMMENT #30 [Permalink]
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Big Dan
said on 11/10/2007 @ 8:43 am PT...
Dredd:
I think the BIGGEST point of all...is that EVERYONE (us, the GOP, GOP voters, CMSM, the internet...etc...EVERYONE) says NOTHING about the 47 of 47 REPUBLICANS voting for Naziism/torture...and the 6 of 46 Democrats get lambasted by EVERYONE (see my desc. of "everyone" above).
Now, these 6 Democrats DESERVE it! But the ENTIRE REPUBLICAN PARTY DESERVES IT MORE!!!!!!!
And no one says ANYTHING about the ENTIRE NAZI REPUBLICAN PARTY who vote 100% in LOCKSTEP!!! ALL THE TIME!!!
Everyone's crucifying Schumer & Feinstein (and they deserve it) but saying NOTHING about 47 of 47 Republican "YAY" votes for Mukasey!!! WHAT.....THE....FUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
COMMENT #31 [Permalink]
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Big Dan
said on 11/10/2007 @ 8:45 am PT...
Like it's "OK"...we "EXPECT" the GOP is for toruture...does anyone know what I mean???
What does it mean about the Republican Party...that no one comments on 47 of 47 for torture? Not a word!
COMMENT #32 [Permalink]
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Big Dan
said on 11/10/2007 @ 8:46 am PT...
...and that by NO MEANS... means I'm letting Shumer & Feinstein & those 6 Democrats off the hook...
COMMENT #33 [Permalink]
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Big Dan
said on 11/10/2007 @ 8:49 am PT...
The 6 traitorous Dems easily stick out more than the Nazi lockstep 47 of 47 Republicans! It's SO many, that you can't even grasp it! It's their entire party!
COMMENT #34 [Permalink]
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Dredd
said on 11/10/2007 @ 10:52 am PT...
Big Dan #33
I dig. And you are presenting a sensible approach.
Still, I am voting for Soul Rebel. Even if he is a dem
COMMENT #35 [Permalink]
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Death Star
said on 11/10/2007 @ 12:04 pm PT...
first time here, this torture thing is plain wrong and we have lost our way. What is next? killing off retirees?
COMMENT #36 [Permalink]
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Lev
said on 11/10/2007 @ 1:03 pm PT...
NeilDeal said: "I wish the Dems would quit whining about not having enough votes. Why don't they raise hell? Why don't they do everything in their power to stop Bush? Cut off the money!!"
Exactly what I've been saying for a while. If the Dems REALLY want to end the war in Iraq they can do so pretty easily. They're in the majority in both houses, granted it is paper thin but still a majority. The Cheney regime has to fund the Iraq war piecemeal with supplemental funding bills instead of in yearly lump sums attached to the defense budget. All they have to do to end the war is to en bloc refuse to vote on supplementals. No law says any representative has to vote on any particular bill. If the bill doesn't get voted on it can't be passed and if it can't be passed it won't end up on Bush's desk for signing. Since Bush and Cheney can't send spending bills to their own desks, as it has to come from Congress, they are screwed without Congress continuing to be their enabler via sending them spending bills to sign. Just don't vote on supplementals, pretty simple.
Instead what do they do? Yesterday the Dems unveiled some convoluted Rube Goldberg device of a bill that continues to fund the Iraq war to the tune of $50 bilion over four months, on the condition that within 60 Bush has to present a plan to complete troop withdrawls by the end of 2008, and would limit the occupation force's role to "counterterrorism". OK, so if this passes do they honestly think Bush isn't going to veto it with the obvious conditions they've put on the money? Then what do they do? They throw up their hands and put on a fake grimace and say "Well, as you can see we don't have the votes to override any veto... Sorry, but we can't end the war." This is so transparently phony when all they have to do does NOT require writing a bill for Bush to quickly veto then rolling over because they can't override it. All they are doing is presenting a false choice, between doing nothing and writing a bill for Bush to veto. All they are doing is trying to make it LOOK like they are making an effort to end the war when they are doing nothing but acquiescing and spinning their wheels. If they were a genuine opposition party they would listen to the will of the people and end this war in Iraq starting monday by publicly refusing to ever again vote on supplemental funding for the Iraq war, putting the onus on the Cheney regime to either pull the troops out while there is still money left in the metaphorical pipeline, or letting them wither on the vine until they DO run out of money, and have to withdraw chaotically. Either way it will be on Bush/Cheney and either way the war will end pretty soon. But they won't do that. Why? Because they're fake. Because they DON'T represent the will of the people but the will of the warmongering establishment.
COMMENT #37 [Permalink]
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Ed
said on 11/10/2007 @ 4:07 pm PT...
REMEMBER those who voted for our new Torquemada. This is NOT forgiveable! When their time comes for re-election, even if it's in 2012, as it is for Feinstein, REMEMBER THIS DAY, and vote for ANYONE but these treasonous bastards!
COMMENT #38 [Permalink]
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Marky
said on 11/10/2007 @ 5:36 pm PT...
Hey, guys. Is this issue really this simple? A vote for Mukasey is a vote for torture? I'm hearing some mixed messages, that many Democrates have a lot of respect for Mukasey, and that Feinstein got assurances from Mukasey that he would never condone waterboarding or other forms of torture. Other than his refusal to answer this question in the hearings he is the best candidate that could possibly be expected. Is all this bullshit?
Personally I have a great deal of repect for Joe Biden. If he didn't vote, I expect there is a good reason. I would just like to know what the real deal is here.
COMMENT #39 [Permalink]
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Lev
said on 11/12/2007 @ 1:38 pm PT...
If the Dems were a real opposition party then no Iraq war supplemental spending bill would make it out of committee to even be voted on. They would make it plain to Bush that Iraq war spending bills aren't on their legislative schedule and he would be forced to withdraw the troops while there is still money in the pipeline so to speak. But they don't do that; instead they write bills that they know Bush will veto so they can have political cover, APPEARING to be trying to do something to end the war when all they're doing is serving the pro-war establishment, not their constituents.
Regarding Mukasey, he in most Orwellian fashion dissembled and refused to state the obvious, that holding someone down and pouring water in their mouth and nose until they are a hair's breadth away from drowning, is torture. Certainly he knows it's torture; certainly his playing dumb on the issue was politically calculated to not expose his future bosses. This is the man who is to be the next head of the "Justice" Department? This is "the best we can hope for" from the Cheney regime? Who said they had to confirm any attorney general selectee at all? How much worse would the country be than it is now if it has nobody at the helm of its gestapo I mean "Justice" Department for the remainder of Cheney's term in office? Granted, most of the Dems voted against his confirmation but enough rolled over to let the Repubs win. Again. Beyond this Mukasey issue, in a larger sense why are the Dems acting like they are still in the minority in Congress? See what I wrote above. They're fake. 'Nuff said.