We've got to organize a massive public awareness and petition campaign to stop this amendment. Make it clear that any Dem who votes for this amendment will be targeted for defeat in the primaries and election next year. Enough is enough. If the Dems don't want or have the guts to save this country, then they and the Reps can both go down to defeat come November. There are enough independents and progressive Dems to start a new party.

Told ya! I said, that somehow the Republicans would try to somehow twist the immigration bill into disenfranchizing voters, the same way they twisted HAVA into ramming e-vote machines down our throats! I just guessed at it, and was right! Just knowing how they always do this. Only this time it's being pointed out ahead of time. Yay!

in Connecticut we have to provide I.D. to vote. I'm bewildered what is the big problem with providing I.D. ? I use my pistol permit or my drivers license which both have my photo on them. Since this law was enacted I've never heard of any one I know , work with, or talk to that has ever had a problem with I.D. to vote. Unless you involved in voter fraud, there is no problem.

Guess you don't know many minorities, elderly, or urban poor, Ted. Not surprised that you have little interest in their being able to vote.

Go educate yourself.

Actually, CT does not require photo ID, Ted.

State Photo ID laws.

Third Party!!! Democrats are as sorry a unch as the repugs.I have stopped my automatic monthly donations to the party and candidates.If Dr.Paul runs as a independant he has my money and vote otherwise I will not vote for the lesser of two evils again.In 60 years I have not missed a chance to vote in any election,national or local.This might be the first!

Not everyone drives or packs a pistol. Requiring photo ID only brings us one step closer to a national ID card...or as the Nazis and Communists used to say, "show me your papers".

Here in Indiana Bush's Boy Mitch Daniels instituted Voter ID laws while at the same time closing 19 rural DMV offices making it harder for those folks to get the ID required to vote. I wonder if perhaps those 19 were specifically targeted as "Democratic" districs though up until recently I'd have a hard time imagining 19 seperate pockets of Deocratic districts in Indiana. I had to use a photo ID to vote last election and I felt like I was in Soviet Russia insteadof the USA.

In Texas address registering (30 days prior if you have moved) is required on all votes. And we show photo ID's as in Iowa. Two states I am familiar with.

ID's photo, are required to obtain auto insurance, medical care, using banking services (even sending cash to Mexico as my neighbor said).

Obtaining auto insurance some identity proof is needed and hopefully anyone driving has some insurance.

As for knowing minorities my family is made up of different nationalities who came through the legal door to become citizens. Those that waited their turn are more opposed to illegals jumping the fence than the average citizen.

As for being counted in a data base, we all are in a data base somewhere, just call for insurance and find out how much is already on record about you. I wonder if my last meal has been recorded.

They're like dishonest steet vendors, selling a shit sandwich, they just can't stop hawking this awful crap, can they. If you're ever going to have I.D. it has to be free, and they ought to have to come to you, if need be.

... texaslady said...

Never mind...

So did it occur to you that the people pushing this practical equivalent to national ID are the most corrupt administration in living memory?

Enjoy your stay in the New Model Police State. The rest of us will decline... and not politely.

TexasLady -

ID (Photo or otherwise, that can be validated) is already required, by HAVA, for registering to vote. Registration is not the question. Being forced to present *PHOTO* ID at the polls, on election day, however is an entirely different matter. And the requirements for that are solely an effort to keep legally registered voters (usually Democrats) from voting.

texaslady --- do you think people should have to pay to vote?

while it may seem like requiring a photo i.d. to vote is logical and not disenfranchising, it only seems that way.

because even if an i.d. is offered by a state at no cost, the supporting documents (birth certificates, passports) are decidedly NOT free. read the majority opinion of the MO supreme court in striking down that state's voter i.d. law for more. (and note that the lone dissenting judge is Rush Limbaugh's cousin.)

there are thousands of legally registered eligible voters in each state who would be unable to afford to exercise their right to vote. when elections are often decided by only a couple hundred votes or fewer, it matters. alot.

i am happy for you and your circle that none of you are so destitute that it is a financial burden to give up $15 to get a copy of your birth certificate to vote. i am happy for you and your circle that you've never been pulled over by the police for DWB (Driving While Black), or experienced other unjustified harassment from government representatives, leading you to be cautious about putting yourself into situations where you might become a target through no fault of your own except being non-white.

you are correct that photo i.d.s are required for all sorts of activities in this modern world, but none of those are enshrined in the Constitution. i do not have a "right" to drive a car, or travel on a plane.

i DO have the right to vote no matter what my financial situation is --- even if i'm homeless i am still an American citizen --- and it is rightly against the law to prevent me from exercising that right, whether overtly or covertly.

Wow! Ted just out and out lied about CT photo ID requirement. He even got a little NRA propaganda in there. Why would you lie about that Ted? Is it because you are one of a pack of Republican Slime balls who surf the net pushing lies and disinfo to further your Republican masters desire to destroy democracy. You state that the people opposed to photo ID don't have anything to worry about unless they are committing voter fraud. Do you know how difficult it would be to organize voter fraud with that methodology where it would impact an election? Very difficult!
That is why the Republicans, you know the ones that actually commit electoral fraud don't use that method.
Instead they do dempgraphic studies to determine where Democrats vote and create caging lists,throw away absentee ballots, don't count provisional ballots, make sure there are long lines at polling places, use the police to intimidate people, and reprogram computer voting machines.
I personally would very much like to catch one of you fascist bottom feeders with your hand in the cookie jar. I would talk baseball with you.

MAYBE YOU SHOULD READ THE MESSAGES MORE CAREFULLY- I never said that Connecticut requires Photo I.D. ,just that I use it for my I.D.. It shows your lack of intelligence as much as your opposition to diversity of different opinions. But, I still wouldn't call you A fascist bottom feeder.

... Brad Friedman said on 5/24/2007 @ 9:56 pm PT:
"Guess you don't know many minorities, elderly, or urban poor, Ted. Not surprised that you have little interest in their being able to vote. Go educate yourself."

Robert Kelly: I guess you don't know many illegals who are voting illegally, because they aren't citizens, Brad.

What do these pitiful people you seem to have so much suspicious empathy for do when they want to enter a federal building or board and aircraft? Show their library cards?

I'm sick to death of reading these pitiful politically correct types whine about minorities and the poor.

GO EDUCATE YOURSELF, my man.

They were holding signs telling you to go back to Europe, and that this land is THEIR land, after dashing through the streets holding the Mexican rag high overhead, as if they had just defeated us and were prepared to dictate the terms of our surrender.

Reconquista is a LARGE movement with MANY academic leaders, politicians, and other Mexican elites, advocating the takeover of our land, because they don't have the intelligence nor ability to create a first world society in Mexico, even though they have vast resouces and wealth at their disposal.

Here's what just one of them said, Professor Gutierrez, Univ. of Texas: ""We have an aging white America. . . . They are dying. . . . They are shitting in their pants with fear! I love it! We have got to eliminate the gringo, and what I mean by that is if the worst comes to the worst, we have got to kill him."

And since 1970, he has professed, "Our devil has pale skin and blue eyes."

Just recently in an article he asserted that the defenders of the Alamo were criminals.

Your wasting your time if you want to allege that this man is an exception. I can give you a hundred more quotes from high profile Mexicans in the US. Would you like more?

Troll alert. Good sign. We know what draws flies, and what draws trolls.

The voter fraud canard! They are fixated on it like a chicken on a straight piece of string. Funny!

My newsreader cut off the headline so I only saw this:

"REPUBLICAN IMMIGRATION BILL AMENDMENT TO REQUIRE DIS"

Knowing Republicans in Congress are evil, the first thing that sprang to mind was "DISINFECTING."

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Dredd said on 5/26/2007 @ 9:20 am PT...
Dred: "Troll alert. Good sign. We know what draws flies, and what draws trolls."

RK: And we know who can give a substantive logical rebuttal and who doesn't have the intelligence to do so, and can only resort to mindless insults.

And who is "we?" I don't see anyone else with your state of mind. Are you pregnant? Or just desperate to feel you are not alone with your prejudices?

Dred: "The voter fraud canard! They are fixated on it like a chicken on a straight piece of string. Funny!"

RK: And you proved "them" wrong with your definitive arguments to show them where they were in error, eh?

Heh, heh, heh.

Fixations are the result of years of having PC brainwashing, indoctrination, and propagandizing techniques pounded into a gullible mind that has no ability to think for itself, but, instead, draws its conclusions from a base of masterfully controlled thought put there by experts, so cleverly there is no other base to draw an opinion from.

We have ALL been subjected to it, but whether a person can think for himself after being so deluged, is determined by his intelligence.

In 1984 Orwell's Miles O'Brien held up four fingers and CONVINCED Winston Smith he saw five, after considerable mind control techniques.

By ignoring the obvious threat and dismissing logical dissent as a canard, you're seeing five fingers where there are just four.

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Am I missing something here??? It sounds like all the amendment is doing is ensuring that the voter has a valid photo ID issued by a legal governmental entity . . . what's the problem; if you are a legitimate voter, you HAVE a photo ID or can get one in time for an election.

I see no poof of voter fraud at all

People have to show a photo id to check out at wal-mart. Anyone who opposes requiring a photo id at the polling booth, just wants the corrupt voting to continue.