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COMMENT #1 [Permalink]
... agent99 said on 6/21/2006 @ 2:18 pm PT...
Funny... Big Dan was just asking about this sort of thing....
COMMENT #2 [Permalink]
... calipendence said on 6/21/2006 @ 2:33 pm PT...
Thanks for helping me feel more like I'm living in the middle of George Orwell's dreams!
COMMENT #3 [Permalink]
... Florida Dave said on 6/21/2006 @ 2:49 pm PT...
Wah .. wah .. wah .. wah .. wah ..
Cry .. cry .. cry .. cry .. cry ..
If you think we stole the 2004 election, just wait until 2006. We are going to steal that one too, and there isn't a damn thing any of you "cry baby" liberals can do about it.
How do you like them apples?
COMMENT #4 [Permalink]
... Charlie L said on 6/21/2006 @ 2:54 pm PT...
Humor helps. For many in the population, it's the best way to reach them.
This is good. Jon Stewart is good. Stephen Colbert is good. All the jokes that are made about this crime, even though they may at times make it seem like they are "making a joke of it" are actually good and serve to raise the important issue of ELECTION FRAUD to the forefront of consciousness.
Print this out and leave it around. Scotch tape a copy above the urinal and on the back of the door in the bathroom.
BE PROACTIVE! Spread the word into MEATSPACE --- don't just blog it.
P.S. And, above all, don't feed (i.e. respond to) the trolls like #3 above (whose name shall not be spoken). They are just spewing old and stale "talking points" that have been repudiated more times than we can remember.
COMMENT #5 [Permalink]
... Robert Lockwood Mills said on 6/21/2006 @ 2:54 pm PT...
Well, you're right, Dave. Whether anyone can do anything about it remains to be seen. But thanks for laying out the paramters for us. You've performed a public service, even without realizing it.
COMMENT #6 [Permalink]
... Bluebear2 said on 6/21/2006 @ 3:09 pm PT...
"we stole it and we'll steal the next one too"
COMMENT #7 [Permalink]
... Brad said on 6/21/2006 @ 3:09 pm PT...
Florida Dave - Why do you hate America? Serious question.
COMMENT #8 [Permalink]
... Bluebear2 said on 6/21/2006 @ 3:15 pm PT...
They don't do no good
They never be workin'
When they oughta should
They waste your time
They're wastin' mine
You know, no matter what you do
They gonna cheat 'n' rob you
Then they'll send you a bill
That'll get your senses reelin'
And if you do not pay
They got computer collectors
That'll get you so crazy
Til your head'll go through th' ceilin' "
COMMENT #9 [Permalink]
... agent99 said on 6/21/2006 @ 3:29 pm PT...
I NEED MY MTTBBB RIGHT NOW!
Any luck at CONTROL HQ yet? Hurry! It's urgent!
COMMENT #10 [Permalink]
... chicago dyke said on 6/21/2006 @ 3:37 pm PT...
heh. i picked that one up brad, nice.
COMMENT #11 [Permalink]
... Charlene said on 6/21/2006 @ 4:35 pm PT...
Florida Dave #3
If you weren't so busy being a 10 year old acting out on the school playground, you'd have time to stop & realize that YOU'RE suffering the results of Bush's malfeasance too.(hi gas prices etc.)
In fact, unless you're in the upper 1% in income ,(which I can see you are not from your comment) your loyalty to Bush---while he is dumping on you---borders on stupidity.
COMMENT #12 [Permalink]
... Bluebear2 said on 6/21/2006 @ 4:46 pm PT...
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COMMENT #13 [Permalink]
... Arry said on 6/21/2006 @ 5:04 pm PT...
Brad --- I'm sure FD can give you a brainless answer, but, for the heck of it, let me guess...
1.) We are showing him that being an American entails adult responsibilities, that he can't stay in the sandbox forever...so he hates America.
2.) We represent an ethical, moral, repectful, and rational way of encountering and dealing with American institutions..which he can't stand (where would that leave precious infantile selfishness?)...so, he LOL's hysterically...and hates America.
Once in awhile, Charlie, it's kind of fun to examine these strange critters, but we shouldn't overdo it.
COMMENT #14 [Permalink]
... agent99 said on 6/21/2006 @ 5:38 pm PT...
Bluebear2: Well, thanks, yes, closer, but I need it all in a smoking heap after it as blown to pits in front of my eyes. I do bless your bones and heart for trying, though. xoxoxox
COMMENT #15 [Permalink]
... Florida Dave said on 6/21/2006 @ 10:44 pm PT...
So where did you nutjobs come up with the idea that I "Hate America"? Let me guess, you liberals also think I'm a "Racist", and a "Homophob" ... just an all around Hate Monger ... is that correct?
And you liberals wonder why "Middle America" pays no attention to you.
PS > I have a great idea for you libs in the 2006 mid-terms. Break out Michael Moore again, that worked well for you in 2004.
COMMENT #16 [Permalink]
... Charlene said on 6/21/2006 @ 11:16 pm PT...
I suspect the reason F. Dave never expresses a complex thought is because he doesn't have any, poor thing.
(Psst! I think he rode the little bus to school.)
COMMENT #17 [Permalink]
... Robert Lockwood Mills said on 6/22/2006 @ 5:03 am PT...
Dave, if Middle America pays no attention to us, then how did Bush get to 33% approval? Is it possible the other 67% all live somewhere else?
FYI, there are exactly four states where Bush maintains 50% support or higher...Utah, Idaho, Wyoming, and Nebraska. Not exactly the intellectual breadbasket of the nation. In your home state, Bush is at 41% approval. In his own home state, he's at 43%. So where exactly is this Middle America you talk about?
COMMENT #18 [Permalink]
... Dredd said on 6/22/2006 @ 7:13 am PT...
Floride Dave does not know that cartoons are not for crying. They are for laughing. Neither does preznit blush. He cries when he sees cartoons about him. That is probably where floride dave got his model.
COMMENT #19 [Permalink]
... Florida Dave said on 6/22/2006 @ 7:44 am PT...
Hey liberal nutjobs,
Have any elections results been recounted?
As a result of any recounts, have you changed the outcome of any elections?
The answer would be "NO" !!! You nutjobs haven't had any sucess in your little crazy conspiracies. You haven't accomplished anything. While you are wasting your time, the rest of the country is moving forward and you are still stuck back in the year 2000.
When the left-wing liberal media doesn't even pay attention to your crazy conspiracies... then you are really a bunch of "whack-jobs".
PS > You nutjobs are truly entertaining. Keep of the good work !!
PSS > Maybe if you really try hard, you can get the 2004 election re-counted, and then you can throw Bush out of office and put Kerry in.
NOT !!! NOT !!!
lmao .... rotglmao....
COMMENT #20 [Permalink]
... Savantster said on 6/22/2006 @ 9:14 am PT...
"So where did you nutjobs come up with the idea that I "Hate America""
That would be because you advocate stealing elections (or, at least, you said you do.. if you "meant" it is another question..). Anyone that advocates stealing elections, or unfair elections, or preventing legal voters from voting, is AGAINST the premise of this country, and therefore would be rightly presumed to "hate America".
Much like you can't see how facts and truth are on our (that being "kooky moonbat liberals", apparently) side, you will never see how pathetic of a human being you are, nor will you understand that you "hate America". You (seemingly) have no interest in a government "of the people, by the people, FOR the PEOPLE".. Since you don't support the American philosophy of Government, you hate America, and should probably just leave. Anyone that lives here and doesn't support the laws and basic principles of this country don't deserve to live here.
As a side note, FL.D... Wasn't it shown, long after the 2000 election, that the "full count" in Florida bore out that Gore actually won FL? but since the government refused to do the count, it was "dismissed"? I know, I know.. you have 100s of reasons why "that isn't accurate".. You will ALWAYS have an excuse, which will almost -never- be rooted in fact.. because the FACTS tend to be your enemy.. much like American ideologies of a government of the people, by the people, for the people.
I recon you're the dildo trying to convice the guy reading the mag that "just be an ignorant oaf! it's fun!".. but, we're not that dim, here. You won't sway us from persuing the truth because we're not weakminded vain dipshits like you and your buddies. No, really, reiterate about your "well paying job" and taunt us with tales of your BMW, Mercades, big house, fancy watch, spiffy clothes.. Really, please do. It proves your worth as a human being, how many pieces of paper you have in your pocket, or how people look at you when you walk down the street.
COMMENT #21 [Permalink]
... agent99 said on 6/22/2006 @ 10:16 am PT...
This is what gave me the idea you hate America:
"...just wait until 2006. We are going to steal that one too..."
Per comment #3 above. People who love America want election stealers in jail. Period.
COMMENT #22 [Permalink]
... Florida Dave said on 6/22/2006 @ 10:23 am PT...
NICE TRY !!!
I love how you "nutjob" liberals just make a story to fit your agenda. The FACT is that a comprehensive study of the 2000 presidential election in Florida suggests that if the U.S. Supreme Court had allowed a statewide vote recount to proceed, Republican candidate George W. Bush would still have been elected president.
The National Opinion Research Center (NORC) at the University of Chicago conducted the six-month study for a consortium of eight news media companies, including CNN.
AND BUSH STILL WON !!!
Here is the link >>>
You might be able to sell that BS to your "kool-aid" drinking, pot smokin' fools .... but not me.
PS > AGAIN ... NICE TRY !!
your too funny ...
PSS > YOU PROBALLY THINK THE WORLD IS FLAT ALSO... lmao...
COMMENT #23 [Permalink]
... Savantster said on 6/22/2006 @ 10:45 am PT...
Well, FL. Dave, your study shows Shrubby winning, other studies show Gore winning.. So, that means we have no "real answer", right?
And you STILL haven't bothered (in true Troll™ form) to address the "hates America" thing.. Not to worry, I know you won't .. Trolls™ never do, they just spit and spew and never say much of substance.
I'll go see if I can find a link that states Gore won in 2000.. then you can start in on your "that site suxors! they are nutjobs who have an agenda! that's crap!"..
And no, I don't believe the world is flat, I don't believe the Earth is the center of the Universe, and I don't believe 99% of anything a wingnut says since time and again it's been bore out in fact to show wingnuts love their lies and distortions.
FL. Dave.. "tool of the moment on the toon of the moment thread".. how precious!
COMMENT #24 [Permalink]
... Joan said on 6/22/2006 @ 10:45 am PT...
So he's proud that his guys steal elections, yet any claims that they steal elections are "little crazy conspiracies". Interesting logic. Not to mention ethics.
COMMENT #25 [Permalink]
... Savantster said on 6/22/2006 @ 10:52 am PT...
Oh.. FL. Dave.. you sneak.. your link has this in it too
"Use of Palm Beach County standard
Out of Palm Beach County emerged one of the least restrictive standards for determining a valid punch-card ballot. The county elections board determined that a chad hanging by up to two corners was valid and that a dimple or a chad detached in only one corner could also count if there were similar marks in other races on the same ballot. If that standard had been adopted statewide, the study shows a slim, 42-vote margin for Gore. "
Basically, if they were to "give a wide berth and include as many ballots as they could", Gore won by a few..
Your study ALSO says, 2,200 ballots were still NOT counted (in their study).. wonder why? and, the "final" adjusted for Shrubby to win by 493 votes.. seems 2,200 missing is pretty "significant".
Still gonna look for the "other study".. just thought I'd point out evidence to support my accusation about wingnuts liking to "distort".
COMMENT #26 [Permalink]
... Savantster said on 6/22/2006 @ 10:57 am PT...
Guess I'm done looking.. Your OWN source says this
"According to the study, 5,277 voters made a clean punch for Gore and a clean punch for Reform Party nominee Pat Buchanan, candidates whose political philosophies are poles apart. An additional 1,650 voters made clean punches for Bush and Buchanan. If many of the Buchanan votes were in error brought on by a badly designed ballot, a CNN analysis found that Gore could have netted thousands of additional votes as compared with Bush."
Moron.. In other words, IRREGULARITIES and POOR ELECTION MATERIALS (based on reports of those saying these caused their ballots to be wrong) puts GORE as the winner, yet you pretend that since the summation by CNN, using the STRICTEST ruleset they can, and discounting HUGE amounts of evidence bore out by VOTERS shows your shitball won.
Once again, the Troll™ proves our point and shows they really ARE not worth responding to.
Paper ballots, hand counting. If it was KEPT SIMPLE, the implication is that Gore won Florida in 2000. Paper ballots, hand counting, and we'd have a system we could put a LOT more faith in, and a system less prone to errors (what the hell is with this "punch card system" anyway? and not cleaning out the chad trays??).
COMMENT #27 [Permalink]
... Joan said on 6/22/2006 @ 11:04 am PT...
Alot of righties are fond of claiming they're on the "moral high ground": we should thank ole dave for illustrating for us the actual level of morality they operate on.
dave's comments remind me of an experience with a rightie my daughters had recently. They were driving my car, which is plastered with leftist stickers: IMPEACH GEORGE W...THE W STANDS FOR 'DUMB'...WHO IS CLINT CURTIS...etcetera. They apparently incensed the guy behind them who kept blowing his horn & gesturing at them. They didn't respond, except to laugh, so he pulled alongside & spit a big one onto the driver's side window.
Thankfully, my girls are not prone to road rage. They found him hilarious.
A loogie from the "moral high ground"!
COMMENT #28 [Permalink]
... Florida Dave said on 6/22/2006 @ 11:18 am PT...
You liberals are "Delusional". If you look up "delusion" in the dictionary it says this: A FALSE BELIEF STRONGLY HELD IN SPITE OF INVALIDATING EVIDENCE.
It also says this about delusional: IT IS A SYMPTOM OF MENTAL ILLNESS.
I guess Michael Savage is correct when he says that "Liberalism is a Mental Disorder" !!
COMMENT #29 [Permalink]
... Robert Lockwood Mills said on 6/22/2006 @ 11:31 am PT...
Joan, I think your daughters' experience reveals more than they realized at the time.
Anyone who would spit through the window of a stranger's car, simply because he didn't like the sentiment expressed on the car's bumper, is sick. Not merely angry, not in any sense a "conservative," but sick...unable to control inner demons that govern his behavior.
Likewise, anyone (like Florida Dave) who would advocate election fraud even while pretending it didn't happen before (see posting #3) has a problem with his inner demons. What's the genesis? A father he could never please who called him a sissy when he was a kid? Maybe. A "liberal" boss who fired him from a job, in his mind unfairly? Maybe. The father of a girl he once dated who told him he was an ignorant redneck who wasn't worthy of his daughter? Very possibly. One of the three, I'd wager.
People who spit at strangers and advocate election fraud in print aren't happy in their own skin. So be it. But one word of advice for your girls...if they're spat at again from another car, have them take down the license plate. That's at least harassment, and maybe assault. They don't have to accept it. And in any other state but Florida and Ohio, advocating election fraud would be worthy of an investigation. Well, maybe Utah, too, but only if a Democrat did it.
COMMENT #30 [Permalink]
... Savantster said on 6/22/2006 @ 11:32 am PT...
Okies, FL. Dave.. you just substantiated that YOU are delusional because you REFUSE to discuss FACTS, and hold on to your FALSE beliefs DESPITE the facts.
Ok, Troll™, time to move along. You've degenerated into windbag of no substance.
COMMENT #31 [Permalink]
... Florida Dave said on 6/22/2006 @ 11:42 am PT...
Who's in the White House?
In 20 years from now (2026), you will still be talking about the stolen elecions of 2000 & 2004. Guess what? BUSH still was President.
You will talking about this when you are in a nursing home ... and BUSH still was President.
THAT WILL NEVER CHANGE !!!
That is true delusional thinking...
COMMENT #32 [Permalink]
... Robert Lockwood Mills said on 6/22/2006 @ 11:44 am PT...
Oh, and by the way...the LAST analysis of the 2000 election, which factored in all the previous analyses, showed that Gore won. And that's even without considering all the disenfranchised voters who were denied their franchise. Gore won Florida by A LOT, if every voter who wanted to vote had done so, and every vote had been counted fairly.
Jimmy Carter said 1) he wasn't convinced that Kerry won in 2004, but that 2) Gore definitely won in 2000. Now I suppose we'll hear from trolls that Carter is a dumb liberal, or something...but only where #2 is concerned.
COMMENT #33 [Permalink]
... Joan said on 6/22/2006 @ 12:10 pm PT...
"A FALSE BELIEF STRONGLY HELD IN SPITE OF INVALIDATING EVIDENCE".....
Oh, I get it! Like when the president says "Things are going swell in Iraq!"
COMMENT #34 [Permalink]
... Joan said on 6/22/2006 @ 12:25 pm PT...
I agree on all points. In fact, when my daughters told me about this incident, my first reaction was "That's assault!" Unfortunately, they didn't get the plate number. I'm just glad all he did was spit. He could've had a gun. Lots of gun-totin' rednecks here in Florida.
A bit o.t. but some good news:
WooHoo!! Congratulations, Al!!!
"An Inconvenient Truth" receives award:
COMMENT #35 [Permalink]
... Savantster said on 6/22/2006 @ 12:52 pm PT...
RLM, I'm sure there are plenty of places that have a "road rage" law on the books... and someone "honking, gesturing, and spitting" probably falls into the realm of "assault".. perhaps aggrivated assault given the anger required.
And I agree, there's definately something wrong with someone that can't control themselves in such a situation. Abusing someone because they excercise their rights and aren't infringing on yours is a problem. In fact, it's criminal as well as demented.
It's funny to me how under near 6 years of the "moral majority", our society is becoming more hate-filled... more biggoted.. more violent and angry. So much for their morality and it's ability to persuade.. Oh, wait.. it's only THEM that are being so shitty.. the rest of us are just dismayed.
COMMENT #36 [Permalink]
... Savantster said on 6/22/2006 @ 12:59 pm PT...
"Who's in the White House?
which has exactly what to do with "the results show Gore truely won in 2000"? Or that the 2004 election was stolen? Or that you, apparently, hate America?
Truth: Shrubby is in the White House. I don't deny that truth.
Truth: Gore won Florida (and the Presidency) in 2000. All accounts point to the FACT that, had things been done according to the LAW, Gore would be in the White House. I see that.. you ignore that TRUTH.. FL. Dave delusional, 1.. Me delusional, 0.
Truth: There are significant facts to support serious problems in the 2004 election in Ohio. Given the "facts" available (with retrospection), Kerry won Ohio in 2004 and the Presidency. You say those facts don't exsit or are wrong.. you are denying truth again.. FL. Dave delusional, 2. Me delusional, 0..
At the end of the day, FL. Dave, you're a delusional Troll™ who is projecting (that's a psychological term that means you are putting your own failings on others in an attempt to feel better about yourself and your broke world view). And, in the end, WE will prevail agian.. weather it be by the courts upholding the LAW (something the aren't doing much of these days), or by Civil War, if it comes to it. Your ilk won't be allowed to keep flauting the law and destroying this country.
COMMENT #37 [Permalink]
... Bluebear2 said on 6/22/2006 @ 1:12 pm PT...
Savantster #30 said:
"You've degenerated into windbag of no substance."
When was there ever substance?
COMMENT #38 [Permalink]
... Ronald Wieck said on 6/22/2006 @ 1:45 pm PT...
Many leftists cling to the myth that Gore won Florida despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary. John Fund, in 'Stealing Elections,' detailed Democratic fraud in Palm Beach County that cost Bush roughly 15,000 votes. None of you care, of course, because your side, the side that stole a Senate seat in South Dakota in 2002 (Byron York provided exhaustive documentation of that crime in National Review) and a governorship in 2004, commits the great bulk of the vote fraud in every election.
Robert Kennedy Jr.'s recycled canards were thoroughly demolished by Farhad Manjoo. If you want more mathematically rigorous refutations of the Ohio fallacies, check out mysterypollster.com (Mark Blumenthal, by the way, is a Democrat).
COMMENT #39 [Permalink]
... Robert Sawdey said on 6/22/2006 @ 1:50 pm PT...
IMHO, the Carter administration was the best, in my lifetime, of providing the citizens with their human rights. It's all been downhill since... and seeing that Reagan 'won' the election by arranging for US hostages to be held LONGER (treating with our enemies = treason) is just another example that we are at the mercy of a tyranical regime who will do ANYTHING to gain/maintain power. Bush I's pardoning of all the Iran-Contra people was the epitome of AntiAmericanism... declaring that partisan treason (= sedition) was acceptable. And now we've got a 'son of a Bush' that is so radically right that even his FATHER thinks he's gone too far... and which incorporates many of the Iran-Contra ideologues that despoiled the first Bush regime (Ex-CIA chief becomes president... excessive Intelligence powers vs. Citizens?) OMG can the majority of Americans be so WRONG? No... they've had their democracy defiled by a corrupt process, and must now ARISE to reestablish a TRUE democracy!
Discussion of OT 'child abuse'? Bush II is a great case for 'retoactive abortion'! BaBa should have pressed 'reset' on this one! Don't the NeoCons favor 'Social Darwinism'?... since even BaBa said he's the 'dimmest bulb' of the lot, we might improve the human genome by eliminating this contribution... I think the twins should be watched like a hawk... if they follow the progression of their forebearers, they think they have a manifest destiny to rule the world...
COMMENT #40 [Permalink]
... agent99 said on 6/22/2006 @ 2:28 pm PT...
Brad: #38 should be deleted for (spreading) deliberate misinformation.
COMMENT #41 [Permalink]
... Charlie L said on 6/22/2006 @ 2:35 pm PT...
Brad, I'M BEGGING YOU, please kill this thread and ban people who would post blatant lies and untruths like...
"The FACT is that a comprehensive study of the 2000 presidential election in Florida suggests that if the U.S. Supreme Court had allowed a statewide vote recount to proceed, Republican candidate George W. Bush would still have been elected president. "
(which has been so completely disproved as to be the intellectual equivalent of saying "the world is flat" and which totally overlooks minor little things like a 45,000+ differential in "spoiled/voided" ballots in favor of Gore)
"John Fund, in 'Stealing Elections,' detailed Democratic fraud in Palm Beach County that cost Bush roughly 15,000 votes."
(which attempts to paint the massive screw-up of the butterfly ballot as an attempt at siphoning votes away from Bush when in reality it stole them from Gore)
These people do NOT deserve to use THIS forum for their lies, deceptions, vile propaganda, and trolling. They should stick to National Review and freepers where they belong.
Let's clean up these discussions. If you don't have the time while you fight "The Battle of the CA-50th" then please assign it to someone. I hate to see these good threads destroyed by trolling or poisoned with lies.
Not everyone has had the benefit of reading Friedman, Palast, Conyers, or Fritikas. Allowing those who haven't read the truth to see posts here that seem to offer "two different views" about election fraud and who is perpetrating it, is, in my humble opinion, an error in judgment. Just as there is no "opposing view" to gravity or the roundness of the earth, there really isn't any valid opposing view to the vile methodology (and the success of it) of election theft by the Republicans in 2000, 2002, and 2004.
Please give this proposal your consideration.
COMMENT #42 [Permalink]
... Florida Dave said on 6/22/2006 @ 8:16 pm PT...
So Charlie L. thinks anything that he doesn't agree with is a "lie". Here are 2 more articles about the recount in 2000.
It's very obvious that Charlie L. has a closed mind and he is not open to debate.
Maybe Charlie would like to take Rush, Hannity, Savage, O'Reilly off the radio. And maybe Charlie would like the Gov't to take FoxNews Channel off of cable TV. (HINT ... that will never happen).
ANALYSIS SUGGESTS VOTE RECOUNT FAVORED BUSH
February 26, 2001 - MIAMI, Florida (CNN) --- In a post-election analysis, The Miami Herald suggests that George W. Bush likely would have won the presidency outright if Florida Secretary of State Katherine Harris had allowed South Florida counties to complete manual recounts before certifying last November's election.
The Herald, on its website and in a front-page story today, said that Democratic presidential candidate Al Gore would have not have gained enough votes in the recount of Miami-Dade County "undervote" ballots to overcome Bush's lead
BUSH STILL WINS IN FLORIDA NEWSPAPER RECOUNT
April 4, 2001 - MIAMI, Florida (CNN) --- If a recount of Florida's disputed votes in last year's close presidential election had been allowed to proceed by the U.S. Supreme Court, Republican George W. Bush still would have won the White House, two newspapers reported Wednesday.
The Miami Herald and USA Today conducted a comprehensive review of 64,248 "undercounted" ballots in Florida's 67 counties that ended last month.
Their count showed that Bush's razor-thin margin of 537 votes --- certified in December by the Florida Secretary of State's office --- would have tripled to 1,665 votes if counted according to standards advocated by his Democratic rival, former Vice President Al Gore.
COMMENT #43 [Permalink]
... Charlene said on 6/22/2006 @ 11:59 pm PT...
# 41 Charlie L.
They've got all the trolls out in force working on slightly different areas; Mike J., Florida Dave, Phil McCracken etc---all trying to plant the seeds of doubt about election fraud.
They know BradBlog may be getting more visitors because of recent events in the news & they're here for damage control.
They don't have to prove anything. Their goal is just to create doubt where there used to be certainty in people's minds.
The reason it's important for them to create doubt is because people don't get mad, take action & demand change if they're not SURE about an issue. They don't want any fired up citizens demanding action.
So they just invent studies & polls etc. that sound official & suit their purpose--so some will wonder if what BradBlog says is true. They know most people will never check on what they say for accuracy.
Nefarious intent should get you kicked off.
One troll tactic I dislike the most is when they try & worm their way in as such nice & reasonable guys---all the while trying to subvert Democracy.
COMMENT #44 [Permalink]
... Larry Bergan said on 6/23/2006 @ 1:13 am PT...
Call the zoo and ask for Mr. Lyon.
COMMENT #45 [Permalink]
... Robert Lockwood Mills said on 6/23/2006 @ 7:00 am PT...
The first finding that Florida Dave cites, that Bush won Florida after all, was later debunked by a far more thorough and comprehensive research project conducted by a media consortium. It found that Gore won, based on the votes actually cast.
But that finding understated Gore's margin by a lot, because it didn't account for the tens of thousands of voters who were removed from the rolls illegally by Katherine Harris in the months preceding the election. Estimates are that 88% of those denied their franchise would have been Gore voters.
Gore won the 2000 election. Anyone who says otherwise is impossibly dense or a troll engaged in childish taunting.
COMMENT #46 [Permalink]
... Florida Dave said on 6/23/2006 @ 7:37 am PT...
#43 Charlene said this: "They've got all the trolls out in force working on slightly different areas; Mike J., Florida Dave, Phil McCracken etc—all trying to plant the seeds of doubt about election fraud.
They know BradBlog may be getting more visitors because of recent events in the news & they're here for damage control."
You are crazy !! Damage Control because of the events in the news???
Try a google NEWS search on this: bilbray recount -brad
ONLY 5 NEWS ARTICLES COME UP !!!
The media is all over this story, all 5 stories.
COMMENT #47 [Permalink]
... molly said on 6/23/2006 @ 12:19 pm PT...
Read waynemadsenreport today. Govt. is putting people in jail who know too much, soviet style. Me277anwhile, our progressive blog news. Jerome of MyDD and Kos caught selling junk stocks. Kos emails FDL and asks her not to mention it, repub style. Armando of Kos is said to work for a law firm that represents Walmart. Such as this, is the reason the so called progressive blogs were surprised at the RFK Jr. article. Rather be rich than honest.
COMMENT #48 [Permalink]
... Charlene said on 6/23/2006 @ 12:23 pm PT...
The REAL news, f. Dave, the REAL news...not corporate propaganda disguised as news.
Our local news today featured a local soldier speaking from Iraq to say that we should not believe what we hear about Iraq--that we ARE making progress & we need to stay there & get the job done. He said we're training the Iraqis to take over. Yada Yada..
I called the news director, "John", who said he had 50 years experience & asked him how he figured a blatant political advertisement for the war was "news". He said, "Well, I think an interview with a local soldier is of interest". I pointed out it was not an "interview", they introduced the guy & he just started talking, no questions were asked.
So I said, Well I suppose you're going to have an "interview" with a local soldier that's in Iraq who has the opposing point of view on tomorrow? He said, "Well, I don't know any other soldiers in Iraq & besides he did give an oposing view. He said he knew that some do not agree with him".
Then the guy pretended he WAS being fair, he wouldn't be here if he weren't--blah blah blah.
I told him why all the nonsense he just gave me was facetious, that his justification was very hard to believe & that if he loved his country he wouldn't be playing into the hands of the corporate media.
COMMENT #49 [Permalink]
... Laura said on 6/23/2006 @ 8:37 pm PT...
Good for you Charlene! Way to call them on thier Bullshit!
COMMENT #50 [Permalink]
... Charlene said on 6/24/2006 @ 1:46 pm PT...
Thanks Laura. It's mostly just time consuming, but everyone can do it.
I need to write his advertisers & complain next.
Another local station does the same thing, (it's a Sinclair station). Before the Pres election in 2004, they ran political ads disguised as "commentary" that attacked Dems & talked up Repubs. over & over & over & put ads disguised as news constantly. Complaints were made. (That's when I first found out the Fairness Doctrine was dropped in the 80's when I complained to the FCC about them)
Anyway, some people organized & hit the station's advertisers. They were partially successful, because "Staples" dropped the Sinclair TV station. Of course, they still go on doing it today with other sponsors.
Every little bit helps.
COMMENT #51 [Permalink]
... Laura said on 6/24/2006 @ 3:58 pm PT...
Charlene #50 I think I'm in your neck of the woods (somewhat). I'm in the exurbs southwest of the city of Chicago. When there is anything I can help with let me know. I remember signing petitions against sinclair before the election. I also did some calling. So if you need hands to dial or feet to march let me know.
COMMENT #52 [Permalink]
... Charlene said on 6/25/2006 @ 12:27 am PT...
Thank you, neighbor! I appreciate your offer a great deal.
It must be sweet to be a patriot in Chicago simply because you have so many organized protests to pick from!
It's all uphill an hour south of Springfield.
The local newspapers are owned by individual families, not corporate, so you'd think they'd take advantage of their independence & tell the truth.
They still won't print anything honest. It's all war propaganda, all the time. They won't print letters that don't go with the program. I decided I'll need to turn into a troll for Democracy & write one that sounds Republican, but slip a patriot message in, to get published. (Luckily, it's not that difficult. It's kinda fun.)
Yea, baby. This game works both ways!
COMMENT #53 [Permalink]
... Laura said on 6/25/2006 @ 11:02 am PT...
Charlene, Wow I guess you sure are in the red neck of the woods. I'm also in a repub district, but I'm sensing a change in peoples attitudes here. I think it has a lot to do with the corruption. It is right in our own backyard and people are waking up. I've read your posts and am also pretty sick of the shit in this state. Did you here Durbin said on tv today that he would back Lieberman no matter what? I find that disgusting, if Lamont wins hes still going to back Lieberman..... WTF! I also have to laugh when I keep reading this stuff about Obama running in 2008 for president! What a hoot. I see him as very ineffectual and needing alot more experience before that possibility will grow legs and walk. I echo that Dems should be yelling their asses off on many issues that face us, but most especially voters rights and for true transparency in voting. I saw Feingold on MTP today, WOW he was on fire with leadership and not scared to answer any quetion Russert threw at him. He said that The American people WERE the Democratic Party not the entrenched in Washinton. I wish he would talk to ALL the voting issues facing us today. I think he may be the real deal(I'm keeping my fingers crossed), it blows me away that he takes no corporate money. Well off to do my gardening, Have a great day and I hope to talk to you soon neighbor.
COMMENT #54 [Permalink]
... Charlene said on 6/25/2006 @ 12:32 pm PT...
Yea Laura, I agree Obama's not a mover, he's do nothing--except for photo ops & Leno TV visits that he pursues hoping to look Presidential. I don't care if Oprah likes him, she's wrong this time.
And Durbin! He has honed his skills so he can talk a convincing good game--but after all these years, his efforts never amount to anything.
He 'went Repubshit' when his office denied what he did to Clinton, a member of his own party, back in the day. He can't square it, so they just lied, like the Repubs do:
Durbin & 22 others co-sponsored legislation to censure then Pres. Clinton over his lies re Monika Lewinsky. All the while, Durbin hollered "No one's above the law!"
But now, he refuses to join the censure for Bush! He has no excuse--so he's just saying he never did it back then, but it's a matter of record!
I guess it's getting so bad that now you have to go get the official records, stick it in their face, & say, "Yeah, you did" before they capitulate.
(Kinda like here.)
And the gubernatorial race is all twisted with Topinka (R) getting lots of free TV ads disguised as news.
I am glad ex-governor Ryan got what he had coming though.
I sure hope Feingold turns out to be real--for all our sakes--but just in case--I'm supporting Mike Gravel's "National Initiative". Not necessarily him, but his initiative. It could be the answer to the nation's predicament. Gravel2008.us
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