Have you heard him before? A total kool-aid drinker. He'll try to "tin foil hat" you. He absolutely cannot imagine that his wonderful party could possibly commit such a terrible crime. He probably considers it laughable to even suggest it. I wouldn't be too surprised if it was like pulling teeth to get him to believe any facts. Hopefully he will be better than most right wing hosts and let you speak.

Get ready for "Yeah, but isn't this really sour grapes?"
I live here, maybe I should call in tonight (if they take calls, I think they serously screen out most liberal callers.)

-- Chris Hooten

Be prepared for him to say that they did a "recount" of the special mayoral election after a parallel exit poll vote was appearing to show anomalies, and the recount didn't find anything conclusively wrong. Of course I wasn't satisfied that they did the recount of "random" precincts like they should have. That methodology wasn't reported at the time.

Good luck Brad. You've shown good ability to not get eaten alive by these right wing nut jobs --- hope that is the case today.

Remember your FRAMING and let THEM rant --- you stay calm and reasonable no matter WHAT they do.

Break a leg.

Charlie L
Portland, OR

Like I said in the other open thread. A politician told me that 19 hijackers pulled off 9/11 with boxcutters (lol). Scientists, engineers, scholars and professors say otherwise. I believe THEM, not the full of bullshit politician. I thought EVERYONE knows politicians are full of shit!!!

www.st911.org

Even HCOCDR, Ricky, and Rush Limboob know politicians are full of it!

Brad, you should include a link to Roger on KOGO for those who'd like to hear you.

;-)

I heard on the way home on PBS, something like 17 million vets had their ID stolen electronically. Yeppers...nothing goin' on there...nope...no one's populating a database somewhere, especially not the NSA guys. It's like everyday, now, man! There's something going on!!! Come on!!!

Knock him out Brad!

Time to stir it up and get the message out to the Limpboob types.

Acting Patriotic - thanks for the link.

Aw, Brad will primarily succeed in making these jerks appear fair and balanced. They're using him to make themselves look better. We can only hope there is a listener with part of an IQ left to hear reason.

7 p.m.: When it comes to voting rights, should some Southern states be watched more closely?

Answer Jack Cafferty

Maybe he hasn't heard of RNC caging lists challenging thousands of black voters, or voter registration suppression in Ohio.

Let him hear your thoughts, bradbloggers!

Good work Brad...fight the good fight!

Nice job, Brad. Glad you saved the bit about the repubs rushing to swear in Bilbray. That seemed to irk him. Heh. He didn't seem especially excited about counting all the ballots by hand, though.

-- Chris Hooten

Brad, you always speak with calmness, intelligence and honesty and you bring FACTS to the discussion that can't be ignored. We know you'll inform many listeners of some things they were not aware of and in turn, they will inform many people they know, and so on. Those last 29% apparently don't have the internet and rely on MSN. Radio is a great way to reach many of them!! Good luck )

BVAC: I actually thought MILLIONS were challenged, the most in history. How exactly does a "challenge" work?

Big Dan: I would argue that 'thousands' is a subset of 'millions'... there's no telling how far the RNC has gone. According to Greg Palast, the challenges came in the form of spoiling absentee ballots. Anyone can challenge the validity of a voter if they have any evidence, and the RNC's "evidence" was a list of thousands of people overseas in Iraq or in new residences who could not respond to mail marked 'do not forward'

I just voted for Bradblog as Best Progressive Blog on this Alternet survey:
http://alternet.org/progressivepoll06

Anyone care to join me?
They also ask, among other things, who you'd vote for for prez in '08 (Al Gore)

Thanks, Joan (#16) -

I'll jump right in, and with the same choices.

I just got an email from VoteNoWar.org about an October anti-war event.
I don't think it's too early to start preparing for this:
"October 28 National Day of Action
Locally Coordinated Anti-War Protests from Coast to Coast"

Wow, that's SO MUCH easier than the old way to add links! Thanks, Brad's new software!

Oops, that's not the right link. Oh poo. Sorry.

I'll try that again:

link

Well, get your apologies ready (if you have any honor):

National Ground Intelligence Center report: Hundreds of WMDs Found in Iraq

"The NGIC took up where the Iraq Survey Group left off in Nov.2004, and in the proces of collecting intelligence for the purpose of fource protection for soldiers and sailors still on the ground in Iraq, has shown that the weapons inspections were incomplete ..."

The weapons found do pre-date 1991 and were degrading, but are still lethal.

You all said the Iraq war was "based on lies". And that "there were no WMDs in Iraq", yet ignoring the fact that Hussein had the Kurd town gassed killing thousands.

So start apologizing!

While I'm on this open-thread:

Did you know that Rep.Murtha was one of the un-indicted co-conspirators in the ABSCAM scandal? He was offered bribes by a phony Arab shiek. Unlike seven other people took cash and were convicted. Rep.Murtha refused, but wanted more negotiations. He testified against another Democrat congressman which created enemies. The House Ethics cmte cleared him of misconduct charges.

Robert Novak: New star Murtha is worrying Dems

Cheers!

Ok I need to proof-read better. I was typing that quote from another computer screen and I'm in a hurry before a scheduled time out of my building, so haste makes waste! My few typos can still be understood, so sorry for making it hard.

Cheers!

Mike J. --- Just give up. Okay? Just give up. We were WRONG to invade Iraq. We've broken the Geneva Conventions. Your dear leader is a war criminal. Hundreds of thousands of human beings are dying behind his policies and incompetence and willful disregard. Your panting rah-rah bit is really offensive. Just give up. You're going to like yourself a lot better after you do. Who knows but you might even become wise someday if you do.

Here, Mike:

http://www.crooksandliar...om/2006/06/22.html#a8810

They even debunked your WMD thing on FOX.

Nice, Agent 99. You're so right. They were laughing about santorum & his big WMD "scoop" on Al Franken's show today. What a dumbass he is.

WooHoo!! Congratulations, Al!!!
"An Inconvenient Truth" receives award:

link

Agent99,

Thanks for providing that link. I had intended to watch H&C last night, but something came up which prevented that. Since your C&L group provided the video, I was able to watch most of it.
I say "most" because they cut off Sen.Santorum in mid-sentance as he was answering Alan Colmes. Apparently, C&L doesn't want us to see Sen.Santorum's answer entirely.

Right before Alan cut in for his time, Rep.Hoekstra made the point that our US troops have discovered accidently over 500 WMD weapons that the Iraq Survey Group and Charles Dulfer couldn't find when they were TRYING for 16 months to find WMDs.

It appears that this National Ground Intelligence Center has done a heckuva better job at putting this information from our troops together than the almighty U.N.

I understand about the weapons being pre-1991. Didn't I say that? I undertand FNC reporter Jim Angle's points that Alan Colmes mentioned. Jim Angle co-wrote the story I linked to! Hello?

I also understand that you want to poop on any good news that comes out of Iraq. It's just the nature of liberalism today. But let me ask you this:

Do you want the US and it's allies as well as the new government in Iraq to win this war against the terrorists there? Do you want us to win? Yes or No.

Forget for just a moment how we got there. Simply answer the question, please. Yes or No.

As for your comments, would Barbara Feldon approve?

OT:
Do you still have your MG Midget? I'm into Triumphs myself. I know a couple who owned a Midget for over 5 years, now they have a 1968 MGB-GT. I know people with MGTF's and MGB's. I've met people with Sunbeam Tigers at car shows also.

Sue's "Get Smart" Car Site

The real WMD terror!

Intelligence Center, Contractor MZM on Cozy Terms
DECEPTION

#29 BlueBear2,
Wow. Horrifying. Jesus. We really are quite a madcap little species, aren't we.

Mike J... You're grasping at straws.

No. I do NOT want us to BE in Iraq, let alone "win" there. I also do not want us to "win" against "terrorists" we created by our own terrorism. WE LOST WHEN WE INVADED, AND NOTHING WE CAN DO WILL TURN IT INTO A WIN. NOTHING. I am not in favor of any person or persons who commit crimes against peace, break the Geneva Conventions, torture, murder, etc. winning anything but a life sentence in a miserable jail, or a bullet between the eyes if they can't be stopped and thrown in jail... EVEN WHEN IT'S AMERICANS.

I support our troops with every breath because of my absolute conviction that we should bring them home.

Real terrorists, of any nationality, need to be stopped, and it takes international cooperation to accomplish it.

Once again, you bottomless pain in the ass, JUST DROP IT. Admit you are wrong, and move on.

Bluebear,
Re #29...That really blew my mind. I don't know WHY, since practically every damn day for the last five years I've heard about one horrifying thing after another that I wish weren't true...& they all pretty much qualify as mind-blowing material.
My camel's got so much goddamn straw on his scrawny back that he's bow-legged already. At least he would be, if I had a camel.
On that note...Jeez, I'm gonna go start dinner & pour myself a big-ass glass of wine. And an even bigger one for the camel.

P.S. I abandoned all my MGs because the damn things had to go to the repair shop so often I couldn't keep up with my assignments. I finally "got smart" and have driven a Honda Prelude for many, many years, and hundreds of thousands of miles. It still drives like it is brand new, and it NEVER breaks down.

Joan: We should think of opening a retirement barn for all the camels whose backs have been broken by this administration's constant heaping of straws on them. The vet bills are astronomical already, but there should be some place where they can be relieved of further misuse.

This goes with my link above, more deceiving crap
And I'm supposed to believe this outfit, about WMD, when they are today an arm of the Republican Party ?
I say, Bullshit
Analysts Behind Iraq Intelligence Were Rewarded

Joan

Isn't it amazing how our government condems, invades and otherwise penalizes other countries for doing exactly what they are doing?

I've never been able to understand it!

Agent99 #34

So that's why Max was so eager to give me this piece of crap car! I thought it was an award!

For those of you that wonder about the Prick Sanitarium claim of WMD
"MZM hired the son of the executive director of the Army's National Ground Intelligence Center two months after MZM was awarded an NGIC contract and shortly before it got a far bigger one --- further down reveals that NGIC is at the center of the infamous Iraq aluminum tubes controversy. The NGIC claimed wrongly the tubes must be for a nuclear centrifuge. As Pincus wrote:
The NGIC, which is facing an inquiry by the director of national intelligence for its prewar mistakes in analyzing Iraq's weapons programs, has been drawn into the federal investigations of MZM, according to Army and Justice Department spokesmen."
link

How do we know that "Report" cited by MJ isn't a forgery?
No official seal or any sort of supporting eveidence. Anyone could have written that.

Also the excuse I've heard was that Saddam was PRODUCING WMDs. These were from before the Gulf War. Who's to say that they weren't smuggled out of storage 15 years ago and have been laying in someone's basement - 2 here, three there, one over there.

"Over 500 found" sounds like a lot, but it's taken 3 years to find them.

BB2, I just like to torment the "can't get over the missing WMD" wing nuts, they crow whenever a firecracker is found
Saddam probably does have a big stockpile somewhere, but its a pretty big country and probably its going to be hell to find them, if they're even any good anymore
What I don't trust is that NGIC outfit, they seem to be in the sack with the private military contractors (aka, the bush admin and the Republican party) and it wouldn't suprise me if they plant some to be found in October

Bluebear2! That was an award! Max covets that car. No amount of services or repairs or breakdowns or any sort of mishap dims his view of his/your wheels. As I've said, Agent 86 is faithful unto the death once his trust has been gained.

I thought Chief got you a brand new one? If not, my MTTBBB is surely going to take so long I'll have an entire herd of broken-backed camels by the time it finally arrives.

It almost never rains mainly on the plain in Spain.

Floridiot said:

"...it wouldn't suprise me if they plant some to be found in October" - but of course!
It would suprise me if the didn't!

Agent99

I'm sorry - tell 86 I'm sorry also. I didn't mean to be ungrateful or disrespect his gift.
Its just that these damn rear swing bushings keep going out. But it's not his fault - it's just the ozone that keeps eating the rubber!
These things were meant to drive in the Alps not the city smog.

Latex Labyrinth

Hey, Mike J., do you only hassle us from work?

Check this out. Here's a HERO.

Agent BB2

The Alps! Let's go to the Alps! Do you think they'll take us?

Senator Rick Santorum Pa. is looking for any media photo op he can get to announce that WMD's have been located in Iraq. So the cause for war was indeed a just cause. His senatorial campaign,.. the pole numbers do not look so good,.. so he has become a media
camera hog,.. to boost those pole numbers.

Here's a Santorum media smack-down
for the WMD story he pulled out of his ass.

Those WMD's that Santorum is foaming at the mouth about
are likely part of the weapons catch that Rummy offer to Saddam in his war against Iran. When Rummy went to Iraq as an envoy for Ronald Reagan,.. If the sales receipts could be located for these nerve agents,.. the paperwork would likely have Rummy's fingerprints and signature all over them. So Rummy found the WMD's that Rummy sold to Saddam so he could use them against the Kurds and Iranians.

See the handshake to close the WMD procurements,..
Rummy/Saddam/WMD Handshake

Texas Representative says we no longer need the Voting Rights Act,.. oh really,.. what planet does he live on ?

From the Stupid Git Blog,...

2006
Your Vote Means Nothing, part 2
The Texas GOP has decided that the Voting Rights Act of 1965 needs some rethinking because apparently there is no need to protect the votes of minorities anymore. Wow, that's good news!

"I don't think we have racial bias in Texas anymore," said Rep. John Carter, R-Round Rock.

Oh, wait, here's what Greg Palast had to say on the 2004 elections:

"In the 2004 election, three million people, if they were challenged, were not given real ballots, they were given what's called "provisional" ballots, and those provisional ballots, of the three million ballots cast, 1.1 million were never counted, 88% of those, black voters, by the way, and Hispanic voters.

Maybe Mr. Carter meant to say, "I don't think we have democracy in Texas anymore." Seems more appropriate. As Greg Palast has discovered, each presidential election since 2000 the GOP has found more ways to eliminate the black and lower-class citizen's votes from the final count - even African American soldiers fighting in Iraq have had their votes deleted. Democracy Now has done a few incredible interviews on this subject and Greg Palast seems to be the only major media voice raising concern over this truly alarming trend. I wish I had any idea how to combat this. If anyone does please let us all know because that is our only hope to save this country from the GOP and their iron fist.

posted by Stupid Git at 22.6.06

Agent99

I'm practicing my yodelling now!

There must be an election coming! You can tell by all of the rabbits they are pulling out of their hats.

Like the Domestic Terrorists, and the WMDs and the Evidence they are finding and all the money they are making.

Mike J: What do you think of the Republicans granting amnesty to insurgents who've killed or fought against American troops? Then calling Dems "cut and run"???

And why isn't Bush telling us they found WMD's? Why is Santorum and a bunch of crickets telling us?

Oh, and Mike J? The Iraqi government just declared Baghdad a state of emergency. I'm just telling you this, because you probably only get your news from infotainment drug-addict Rush Limboob.

And Here it is, the answer to my #39

Dan #52 & #53, (since you still can't put your comments in one post)

Get your fact straight, if that's possible for you. The new Iraqi PM offered the amnesty, not the "Republicans". I don't like it and neither do most. Personally, I wouldn't stand by on that w/o a big protest.

I only hear Rush for part of a day on maybe 2 days a week, if that. He had a problem w/ pain-killers, not "drug-addict", due to years of cronic back pain (i.e. not curable). I think that his money gave him the solution that he took, which was not the right course. He admitted his problem and sought treatment. He was away from his radio program for 3 weeks. How many of your Hollywood idols have done the same thing?

But I suppose you are perfect, aren't you?

I've always heard from liberals that your side is more compassionate than conservatives. I guess that doesn't apply when the person needing compassion is a Republican and/or conservative.

So when did you fail charm school?

Cheers! flag image

Old Turk #47,

Former weapons inspector David Kay was part of the Iraq Survey Group (ISG). His group tried for 16 months to find WMDs and failed. Then another group pieces together information found by our troops during their operations in Iraq and they have been finding over 500 artillery shells with sarin gas and mustard agents. So naturally David Kay, afraid of looking incompetent, now says that the claims of Sen.Santorum are completely exaggerated. What is more likely is that David Kay is emgarrassed at being outdone and shown to be ineffective.

In a resolution condemning the Iraqi government's plan to grant amnesty to insurgents who killed occupying forces, the following voted nay (for amnesty):

Allard (R-CO)
Bond (R-MO)
Bunning (R-KY)
Burns (R-MT)
Coburn (R-OK)
Cochran (R-MS)
Cornyn (R-TX)
DeMint (R-SC)
Enzi (R-WY)
Graham (R-SC)
Hagel (R-NE)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Kyl (R-AZ)
Lott (R-MS)
McCain (R-AZ)
Sessions (R-AL)
Stevens (R-AK)
Thomas (R-WY)
Warner (R-VA)

Thanks for posting that list, BVAC, of "patriotic" R's who "support the troops".
Since this is an open thread, I offer this for all you wacky, tinfoilhatwearin', conspiracy-theorist libruls, for your perusal:

link

Joan #58

Thanks, I've bookmarked that link.

Bluebear,
You're welcome. There are some things in there I didn't know. Pretty horrifying shit. But I'm grateful that someone compiled it all in one place.

I never went to charm school, Mike. I post multiple times, because I'm always toggling around the internet and other sites, as I'm thinking of things to say. And we all know, the pen is mightier than the sword.

And I never script what I'm thinking of...so I don't have a nice little cut/paste...I type as I think of things. Us "liberals" do that...

See Mike? I read your lies, left for a second, searched the internet for "Republicans amnesty insurgents", and found this on americablog:

This afternoon on the Senate floor, several Senate Republicans are DEFENDING the proposal to give amnesty to terrorists who have killed or wounded American troops. Here is a quick compilation:

MCCONNELL SUGGESTED A RESOLUTION COMMENDING IRAQIS FOR GIVING TERRORISTS AMNESTY. “…might it not just be as useful an exercise to be trying to pass a resolution commending the Iraqi government for the position that they’ve taken today with regard to this discussion of Amnesty?” – Sen. Mitch McConnell

ALEXANDER COMPARED IRAQI AMNESTY FOR TERRORISTS TO NELSON MANDELA’S PEACE EFFORTS. “Is it not true that Nelson Mandela's courage and his ability to create a process of reconciliation and forgiveness was a major factor in what has been a political miracle in Africa…Did not Nelson Mandela, win a - the co-winner of - a noble Nobel Peace Prize just for this sort of gesture?” – Sen. Lamar Alexander

CORNYN: IRAQI AMNESTY DEBATE IS “A DISTRACTION.” “It makes no sense for the United States Senate to shake its finger at the new government of Iraq and to criticize them… it really is a distraction from the debate that I think the American people would want us to have.” - Sen. John Cornyn

CHAMBLISS: AMNESTY IS OK FOR EX-INSURGENTS AS LONG AS THEY ARE ON OUR SIDE NOW. “Is it not true today that we have Iraqis who are fighting the war against the insurgents, who at one time fought against American troops and other coalition troops as they were marching to Baghdad, who have now come over to our side and are doing one heck of a job of fighting along, side by side, with Americans and coalition forces, attacking and killing insurgents on a daily basis?” - Sen. Saxby Chambliss

TED STEVENS - “IF THAT’S AMNESTY, I’M FOR IT:” “I really believe we ought to try to find some way to encourage that country to demonstrate to those people who have been opposed to what we're trying to do, that it's worthwhile for them and their children to come forward and support this democracy. And if that's amnesty, I'm for it. I'd be for it. And if those people who are, come forward… if they bore arms against our people, what's the difference between those people that bore arms against the Union in the War between the States? What’s the difference between the Germans and Japanese and all the people we’ve forgiven?” – Sen. Ted Stevens
The Republicans actually support setting free terrorists who have murdered American service members. Our soldiers gave their lives capturing these people, and now Republican Senators, and presumably George Bush, want to set the terrorists free.

Nice.

I wonder what those 3,000 "incinerated" victims of September 11 who Henry Hyde likes using for political gain would say about politicians who coddle terrorists who murder US soldiers.

For Mike J.: My understanding is that those artillery shells with mustard gas were very old and would not have been able to do serious damage. Certainly nothing that fits the description of "weapons of mass destruction." Certainly nothing that justifies the invasion of Iraq, the loss of 2,500 American lives and tens of thousands of Iraqi lives, and the permanent maiming of thousands of others.

If this get very bad for the gop repuplican liar's they will Fedex wmd to iraq . . .

About the religious reicht: If only we could get them all to do this.

Ok, so it's an urban legend. It still works for me.

I don't get it. why can't I get links to work for me?

http://www.snopes.com/religion/rapture.htm

John Dowd #67:

What links don't work for you?

www.ni4d.us

Winter Patriot, #68:

see my post #66--I made a link there. If you click on it, you'll find it doesn't work. I worked hard to figure out how to format the html for that, and finally got it right, or so I thought. The link is supposed to go to the rapture.htm thing mentioned in 67.

thanks for your curiosity. Sorry all for being off-topic.

re #70 Hi again John Dowd ... no need to apologize for the OT, first because I asked you a question, second and especially because this is an open thread.

Your link in comment #66 was formatted correctly, which is not easy to do, especially at first, and we've been cheering for people who get that right for the first time, so WOO-HOO for John Dowd, another link-meister in development!

Unfortunately in that link you spelled something wrong (you had "https" where you needed "http") and that's why it didn't work. I've fixed the link in #66 so that it now works the same as the link in #67.

I hope this helps and I thank you your contribution. Hopefully we'll see a lot more links from you in the future! Woo-Hoo!!

Yup, that was a link and a half. Found it already fixed. Poor woman. Out of her gourd.