I notice that when Ms. Carroll said she hadn't been mistreated, the Inside-the-Beltway propaganda machine retaliated instinctively. "Oh, yes you were."

They can't allow the free world to believe that we mistreat our detainees, but Islamic regimes do the opposite. Has to be the other way around, because we're the political embodiment of freedom, liberty, and all good things. Reality sucks, doesn't it, trolls?

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Yep.

We can't remember, can we, when the US President and Vice President were the ones advocating torture, while the rest of the world recoiled in shock.

I watched Bush's speech yesterday, and he still errs when he sums up what is happening in Iraq, and meanwhile Rice admits to thousands of mistakes (link here), but it will take the trolls years to catch up.

Bush equates the whole thing as "terrists" when everyone knows the insurgency is not al Queida.

And the insurgency is getting more politically saavy to let the captive go.

it is shocking how little time passed between Carroll's release and the bashing of her by the ghoulish wingnuts, when she did not follow their pre-conceived script of how a loyal American should speak after being released from a three-month ordeal.

Jesus Christ was tortured.

Jill Carroll was not.

Scalia says that so-called "enemy combatants" are not protected by the most basic tenets of our Constitution, those truths that We The People held to be self-evident for every human being, except when they are not us.

Secretary Rice skirts that fine parsing line when she said that the U.S. does not torture on any foreign land --- and then a few days later, disturbing stories appear in the press that there may be torture occurring in planes in that unclaimed airspace over the Pacific. (well, it's not on land, after all....)

Apparently it all depends upon what the meaning of "torture" is, and what the meaning of "is" is, in these times.

We are a 'nation of laws', except when we're not. President Clinton was not above the law, and George Bush is... because he says so.

"Alice in Wonderland", indeed (Patrick Leahy said today). What an understatement.

George Washington, in his Farewell Address (1796) ..
"...If, in the opinion of the people, the distribution or modification of the constitutional powers be in any particular wrong, let it be corrected by an amendment in the way which the Constitution designates. But let there be no change by usurpation; for though this, in one instance, may be the instrument of good, it is the customary weapon by which free governments are destroyed."

Darn, I posted in the wrong place. Sorry. Carry on.

Things just don't add up. This whole story is so full of inconsistent facts. I guess when it all comes down to it, the no-names that took her were way over there heads and didn't know what to do.

You can tell they weren't the U.S. trained militants. Or can you...?

If they were US trained militants, she probably would not have been released.

Guiliana Segrena's story should not be forgotten in the continuing black bush scandals.

Jill Carroll didn't follow the script. So she had to be trashed. Oh gosh, are the right-wing think tanks and their media buffoons angry now.

SCRIPT: America promotes freedom. America doesn't torture or break international laws. America is a model for other nations to follow. America is good. People "over there" torture and commit terrorist acts against nice people (like us), and becasue they want to kill us, anything we do to them first is really self-defense.

REALITY: Almost the mirror image of the script.

and now, today, we find out the back story behind Jill Carroll's first statement.

anybody want to take bets on which wingnuts --- IF ANY --- will apologize for not only attacking her, but for being completely WRONG?

oh wait --- i forgot.... wingnuts don't apologize. slash-and-burn (a.k.a. slash and run) wingnuts don't make mistakes, ever, so there is nothing for them to apologize for.

Welcome Home Jill!

When Patty Heartst returned from her "captivity" she had become one with her captors. People said it was proof she faked the entire kidnapping.
Of course, unlike Jill, Patty said she was raped & bound etc., & Patty's ordeal was a lot longer.
At the Hearst trial, a shrink said it's normal for a person to identify with & sympathize with your captors after being held a long time, psychologically, because the captors become your makeshift "family".
I don't know if that's what happened to Jill or if she spoke well of her captors because she was already sympathetic to their plight, in some respects, before she was captured.
But remember, they DID kill her interpreter when she was kidnapped & she WAS crying in one of the videos & held against her will.
How just fine is that? It's fine when you consider she could have been dead, in persepective.
Not wanting this entire episode to ruin her ability to continue to report on the Iraqi experience, may be a factor too. I don't know.
I wonder if her parents secretly gave her captors money?