Well, didn't we just know, a matter of time before the cons would pull out their 'trump card'.....be afraid, be very afraid. Guess we should have a barometer somewhere so we can predict when OBL will come on the scene again. Maybe we could use the terror color codes. When bushco starts feeling the heat we can use our own code colors. What a pathetic bunch of criminals and so predictable. M4

Did you see this pile of manure?

LEAKED: 42-PAGE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT DOCUMENT DECLARES WIRETAPS LEGAL

Trying to cover their ass again!

We ain't gonna take it!

ACLU blasts Justice findings as 'spin'...

Well, well, could we have expected anything different. This is out and out war on this Nation. Quite frankly, bush, I don't give a damn what your neocon cronies say.....lies, lies, lies. The LIAR and the LIE are being exposed...do with it what you will. M4

America is much better off with Andy Napo behind the camera instead of behind the Bench.

Where do those guys get the Vintage Road Kill Headdress? (Andrew Napolitano)

John gibson & wolf blitzter should consider gay sex for an Encore' to their Horror Shows. WILF's

P.S. I Block the "F" News Network on my TV. (fox news)

Napolitano is right, of course. And that assumes the Osama threat is real. Is there any way of knowing?

It wouldn't shock me into paralysis to learn someday that somebody made all this up. Don't mean to be impolite, but this administration has a pattern of crying wolf whenever it's under pressure from people who worry about trivial things like the Bill of Rights.

Not saying Osama's a wolf...but he could be the human embodiment of a code-yellow alert. Or is it code-orange? Never could get those colors straight.

The admin answer when they get caught is fear. Terrorism is very real and needs to be dealt with, but by passing laws and the constitution is not it. I give bush a code red!

There's evidence that the neocons knew about 9-11. There's no reason to think that they wouldn't have a hand in this. The Alito confirmation. The wiretaps. Former EPA directors (5 Republicans, even) come out and blast Bush's environmental policies. The war, of course. We all knew this diversion was coming.

I'll give the trolls this: we neocon-resisters - the millions of us in this country who aren't buying into this bullshit - are probably the reason that the next terror attack will occur. But not for the reasons they would like to have us believe (we are giving aid and comfort to the terrorists when we criticize Bush - what horseshit.) No, not because we're not concerned about terrorists, but because we're turning the screws on Bush, and the Dems are starting to rise up (albeit gingerly) to oppose the wave of fascism threatening our democracy. There is no better tool to stem this groundswell that a new terror attack.

Fear, fear, fear. Baaaa. Baaaa.

Doesn't the fact that Bin Laden is still putting out tapes, show the ineptness of the Bush administration? Weren't we supposed to catch him years ago? Doesn't 9/11 show that Bush, who was president at the time, DIDN'T protect the 3,000 Americans who died? There's millions of illegal aliens crossing our borders each year. Doesn't that prove the Bush administration is doing NOTHING against terrorism? While Bin Laden's on the loose putting out another "Best of Bin Laden" tape, about the 20th one, we're sitting here waiting for a terrorist attack with the same administration who let 9/11 happen??? And has done nothing since, in America? Except illegal wiretapping?

Hey! Ricky must feel real safe!

Soul Rebel #8

I Agree. What other way to take the heat off! - Make everyone fearful again so they forget about the corruption.

Is Osama really hiding? Or does Bush have him sequestered away somewhere to tap into when needed?
After all Bush snuck Osama's familty out of the country days after 9/11 when all the aircraft were grounded.

Bin Laden family allowed 9/11 leave

I love seeing that GOP butt sniffer Gibson get tooled again. Hes such a piece of shit, lying scum bag. When he got called a liar, and his faced turned white, I roared with laughter.

Does anyone here doubt the timing of all this? Look how fast deferrment Dick and his fellow fascist Peewee King got on the airwaves with there spin. And that Justice dept "leak" was the icing on the cake. I wonder if King george is going to proudly announce tomorrow that he has "renewed" his hunt for Osama. And then six months or a year from now, say this again:

-- To quote Dubya (3/13/2002): "I --- I'll repeat what I said. I truly am not that concerned about him." Third Presidential Debate, Tempe, Arizona, Oct. 13, 2004

As Brad said in the Alito post, the Busheviks have no credibility. It's done. It's shot. And neither do the toadies in the corporate MSM.

I firmly believe Osama is a plant of some sort. He shows up every time the Busheviks need a little help. His timing is impeccable, as are the unspecified terror threats. The "trump card", right? Gibson said it right out. The trump card.

Maybe I'm wrong, but what we do know is that the administration, Congress, and the Republican Party are so enmenshed in lies, deceit, treason and other high crimes that there is no way we can know the true situation except in bits and pieces when they can't keep it all contained and short of whistleblowers and a real investigation.

Who will be the Daniel Ellsberg this time?

I'm not saying, of course, that Gibson knows what's going on, either, but only that his words (words of a neocon sycophant) are more revealing than he may realize.

Arry, Did you read Osama's text? It seems he's picked up on some DNC talking points. I find this very suspicious, and I agree with you about Osama being some sort of plant. After all, when was the last time anyone has seen him? And I too would nothing past these scum bags in the WH.

Bin Laden is a historical "CIA asset." Link And he amazingly, just like Mighty Mouse, comes to save the day, everytime Bush is in quicksand.

Remember when Bush was asked about Bin Laden and his response was that he didn't spend a lot of time thinking about him? Well, what he didn't say is that he doesn't spend a lot of time thinking about how to capture him and "bring him to justice." Bin Laden would be a one-note-song if he was captured (ala-Saddam); as the boogey man he can be useful over and over and over.

I think that we'd have Bin Laden audio tapes even if Bin Laden was dead. Those federal agencies have some amazing technologies. And who is checking the authenticity of those tapes? Why the CIA, of course.

I hope and pray (liberal Christian) that Patrick Fitzgerald is deep into all of this because I think he could follow the Plame matter "wherever it leads" and end up inside all of the Republican scandals and crimes. And I wouldn't be surprised if 911 was an inside job. I just read "Ultimate Sacrifice" by Thom Hartmann and there is proof that the Kennedy administration was planning a fake or real bombing of an American navy ship patrolling Cuba to justify an invasion. Where are the men and women of honor?

Swaggs --- I haven't read the whole text yet, just a summary. Osama is like a thread that runs through the administration - keeping the fear factor on track --- and always used as a crude and dishonest propaganda tool against critics at critical times.

Sandy D. --- Posted mine before I saw yours. You are much more articulate than I am this time of night. Yes, it is not a huge step from known facts and actions to the likelihood of Osama to being used as an asset - No question he is useful.

Maybe the men and women of honor are waking up.

Also, the kidnappers of the reporter from the Christian Science Monitor look like their pretty well fed, with their shape and size, they look like middle aged American boys with masks on

Floridiot-
Shit, I hadn't even considered that! Wouldn't put it past them. Journalists are the enemy. (Real ones, anyway.) So what does teh US admin gain from this, though? They are unable to protect journalists in the field, so as Lara Logan says, "Why would we risk...?" Isn't that the real story that shows how badly things are going - that reporters aren't safe enough to cover what "good news" there might be, so how can things possibly be going well over there? I'm trying to find the angle for the Bush admin, unless it's something along the lines of the Sgrena incident where it is entirely obvious someone was trying to silence her (and in particular the secret service agent Calipari, who I believe was the primary target anyway.) If this kidnapped woman was onto something big, then I can see Floridiot's comment gaining weight. Otherwise, I think it's bad PR for Bush and the insurgents - especially since Muslim leaders have been asking for her release. Well, I guess we'll find out in a few hours. I hope she is released unharmed (that was for the trolls who undoubtedly think we liberals root for her demise.)

Soul,
Iwouldn't even go that far, the whole thing is just a show to justify the reason for being there
GIVE ME an O
GIVE ME an I
GIVE ME an L
Whats that spell... "PROFIT"

Let me say it another way
Until Our Forces are back under total Government
control, (the soldiers are peeling potatos again, setting up the entire campaign of an old fashioned war themselves)
without privitization of every aspect
I won't believe anything they say, period

M4 #1; RLM #6

I am afraid.

I do not know if it is paranoia or not. I do not know if my fear is really fair or not. If we fear someone without cause then we, in effect, slander them.

But I do fear.

Because it dawned upon me when the new German leader, the woman just elected there, visited our nation recently, that the German folk are like us.

They can be fooled. They were fooled by Hitler. And the whole world suffered. How could that happen ... how could that happen here in the United States of America?

Imagine what the world will go thru if we have been fooled. If Hitlerism, fascism, really is here.

Yes, while it is useful for us to debate here, using the word "fascist" in our debates, I suspect we are not really deeply believing what we are saying. "It is just hardball debate" we may say to ourselves ... not really getting what it all means.

But I am afraid it is not just debate. I am afraid we are correct in our estimations. I am afraid that many of our fellow countrymen and women have been fooled and Hitler is in fact here.

It would be the greatest thing to wake up and be shocked to learn it was all a dream, a bad dream.

The alternative is just too much for me to take right now ... I have never experienced it and do not know how to deal with it.

The song lyrics "Taking it to the streets" comes to mind.

Here is a link to a very interesting article about Bin Laden as a tool and a scapegoat. Link It goes through the schizophenic historical statements by the Bush administration on its intent (hope) to capture Bin Laden. Most interesting is the comparison of pictures of Bin Laden and a picture of Bin Laden from the first "confession" tape. There is no way the guy on the tape is Bin Laden. This site also has a link to the Bin Laden "confession" tape so that you can observe that he writes with his right hand (Bin Laden is left handed) and that he is wearing a gold ring (which Islam prohibits).

Here is just an exerpt of the site, which repeats something I have heard before that the "translation" we got of the "confession tape" was purposefully inaccurate and was exposed by the German press:

"the size of standard VHS videotape is...not very big...Jalalabad [where the "confession tape was found].... is very big... Don't you find it somewhat fortuitous that a very small tape of Osama confessing to the 911 attacks was found in this very big city? Were squads of video watchers sent in to view every tape found just in case one showed Osama confessing?.....

"A German TV show found that the White House's translation was inaccurate and "manipulative." Bin Laden even praised two live "hijackers" - Wail M. Alshehri and Salem Alhazmi."

There a many links within these statements to support the statements. It's worth reading and watching what this site has on this.

Dredd, It reminds me of an old "Twlight Zone" short,
only it hasn't ended yet and we're all starring in it

Dredd --- Personally, I think we are on the edge, close to toppling over, but we have two things going for us --- 1) The Constitution and Bill of Rights which may prove to be an even bigger gift than we imagined if it begins to resonate and is defended and 2) The neocons are a sham and have no real ideological or policy support of Americans. It's more a matter of bullying, sleight of hand, and keeping citizens off-balance. (And a media invasion.) I don't believe there is any significant popular depth.

Not that we don't have deeper problems of democracy that the neocon phenomenon is related to (we certainly do), but I don't think the their edifice is solid, and it has mostly to do with their own fanaticism, belief that big lies will get them through, and their inability to deal with reality.

Of course, we can't leave out election fraud which more than any "tactic" widens the gap between real support and illusion.

#25 Dredd, I have no doubt that fascism has arrived on our shore. The Mission Accomplished banner stated just that. That banner imo had nothing whatever to do with Iraq. This was a veiled message plain and simple to those that are playing the 'game'. The power elite are masters of illusion, they use words and symbols, to convey their sinister messages and deceive the public. This cabal is worldwide and the puppet masters are legion. Fear is their method of control. Many were deceived by Hitler and many are deceived by Bush. Those aware of the game have been doing research for years and have foretold this time in history. I have no fear, perhaps I should, but I will not be a part of the 'game'. I would say the fear of which you speak is healthy verses unhealthy. I agonize over the future, but only for what it holds for our kids and their kids. I doubt I will be around long enough to see all the evil ramifications of the NWO. I have no fear of death....perhaps that is the greatest threat of all to fascists. So I rather guess I win. M4

Weren't they saying about six months ago that big "O"
was dead or something?

Swaggs,

I caught them talking points too

This Bin guy seems to be losing his edge man. Like, his earlier recordings were WAY better. It's the same old story... You have a hit or two and then become fat and complacent and your art suffers. A change of record companies or a new producer might help, but i think he's only a step or two from the discount rack at your local Quickee-mart. Of course, failing to tour to support the material may have played a small role.

Read Wayne Madsen about the fake Osama tape,
Quite interesting
Second or so article down
Link

I have not written anything for about 4 weeks because I have been watching the storm build on the Bush Administration scandals. President Bush is being accused of violating the 4th amendment, by illegally spying on Americans.
I have personally experienced my phones being tapped, house bugged with listening devices, the FEDS monitoring my computer and some FEDS following me. A lot of evidence has been uncovered that the NSA has been used illegally.

I have said before that the Patriot Act needs to be reformed to save our civil liberties. In June 2005 my father was told by 2 lawyers not to return home from Mexico because the ATF or FBI could put him in jail, without even being indicted. With the Patriot Act they could stop him from seeing a lawyer for a period of time. He was told that everything looked clear in regards to all the lies that the ATF, the reporter and Joe Plemmons had made up. But the FEDS could use their new scum tactic of using the Patriot Act on people who are not terrorists.
So my father who has heart problems and his medical care in Illinois had to pay for medical care out of his pocket. This medical care in Mexico is inferior so his life was at risk. There was no chance that he could trust the ATF to follow the law after all the lies and illegal tactics they had already used to try and frame him.

It is very scary that there is a lot of proof that the CIA is torturing people around the world. On Dec18, 2005 “ 60 Minutes” TV show did a big story on the proof they have that also the CIA is out of control.. There is a lot of evidence building that the CIA is in drug trafficking in a huge way. This helps fund a lot of their illegal activity, in the U.S and around the world. I would imagine also pads a few CIA agents pockets. We have a huge amount of clear evidence of CIA corruption.

On Jan 1, 2005 the ATF and ATF Rotunno, Chuck Goudie, and Joe Plemmons gave my family a New Years present that created a nightmare for my family! The Helen Brach murder solved (CON) was created, many, many lies and misinformation where reported by Chuck Goudie on Chicago channel 7 news. I feel a responsibility and satisfaction to return the favor and wish these liars a Happy New Year in 2006. The difference is that lies and misinformation were told to make a name for some a carry out personal vendettas. All I am doing in 2006 is telling the truth about unbecoming human behavior that tried to destroy my father and his family! Criminal behavior!

On Jan 1, 2005 Chuck Goudie Chicago channel 7 news, ran the story Helen Brach murder mystery solved. This story ran on every channel 7 news segment for 2-3 days. Illegally using my fathers name. On Jan 6, 2005 Chuck Goudie did a story Helen Brach murder mystery: Mob Hoodlums carried it out. Again using my fathers name. A respected issued a court order that his name was not allowed to be released! The Chicago Tribune said my fathers name was not allowed to be used because he was not indicted!

So now we have Chuck Goudie calling my father a murderer for 3-4 days on many newscasts. Do you think it stopped there? No. On Jan 7, 2005 Chuck Goudie went on channel 11 WTTW “ Chicago Tonight” to bash my father once again. There where also reruns of this show on Jan 8. ( Goudie Attacked My Father Every Day For One Week. Millions Saw His Show Of LIES & MISINFORMATION. )
Here is some of what Chuck Goudie said on Jan 7 Chicago Tonight show from a transcript:
Chuck Goudie: “He was in cahoots with another guy who was a formers Skokie Police officer who is now living in Mexico. Both are alive. The FEDS believe both of them are right for indictment at this point. They both hired a couple of former mobsters one by the name of Victor Spolatro, who comes from an infamous Chicago family who is now dead himself. He was involved in getting Brach’s body down to Indiana.”
Talk show host, Joel Weisman: “Many people have investigated this, both in the media and law enforcement. What kind of comfort level do you feel this is the end of the case?
Chuck Goudie: “The experts who have spent the last 28 years looking at it are comfortable that, the informant who had direct knowledge of what happened and who came forward within the last 3 years is right on.”
(It sounds as if Chuck Goudie is an ATF & FBI spokesman!)

Remember Chuck Goudie had worked on the Helen Brach case for many years with his ATF buddies. Chuck Goudie knew all about the informant Joe Plemmons past crimes. Chuck Goudie knew Joe was a career con man, paid informant by the ATF for 13 years, had gone by at least 3-4 alias’s, this being his 3rd major murder trial being an ATF informant, a pathological liar all his life, was paid $5800.00 for his testimony in 1992 in the Ken Hansen Murder trial, being paid by the ATF $61,000.00 and getting a hernia operation paid for his helping the ATF in the Hansen and Bailey trials. Only God knows how much the ATF has paid Plemmons for. They probably have so much on Plemmons that he will lie for the ATF for the rest of his life! Joe Plemmons has swindled many people and who knows how many people he might of killed over the years! Who knows how many more crimes Joe Plemmons was never caught for!
Come on lets be serious for a moment! How is it possible that Chuck Goudie never informed us of Joe Plemmons past crimes and rap sheet which seems endless? This could create suspicious looking motive by Mr. Goudie!

Please do not forget about the worst investigative report I have ever seen. Chuck Goudie and the I-Team go to Puerta Vallarta around 1994. This story is full of lies, misinformation and became a personal vendetta against my father. Mr. Goudie used some of the lies from that story in 2005 and added some new whoppers. For example: Mr. Goudie filmed my parents getting into their car at their place in Skokie, IL and said on Jan 1,2005 ABC I-Team report that in 2003 he came from Mexico just to pick up his ailing wife and that it was believed that he has not been on US soil since. “There you go again” Chuck: Well my friends my mother had opened heart surgery in 2003 and my father was in the US for over 4 months. For 12 years Chuck Goudie has been saying my father is hiding in Mexico. BIG LIE! My father has been in Skokie, Illinois every year of his life until 2005! The only reason he has not come home this years is because of his lawyers saying the ATF could use the Patriot Act against him.
Goudie has an amazing way of putting such a special spin on things! I suspect that Chuck Goudie’s laziness and poor research have contributed to many other nightmares for other people, over the years.

I refuse to watch Chicago’s channel 7 news as long as Chuck Goudie works there! I will not support someone who destroys innocent people to make a name for him self! Never once apologizing to my father or family for many lies and misinformation he told millions of people! The only way this man will learn humility is to be punished for his actions! If I owned his news station I would have fired this man long ago! Instead he gets awarded. This man has too much power to hurt people! Someone in the media told me that when they are at parties with him, many people snicker behind his back. Many in the media do not approve of his style of reporting. Please GOD send this man far away from Chicago! He is the only reporter who was totally involved with the ATF from the beginning one of their biggest blunders ever!

A lot of people planned on making money, becoming famous, being or staying in political office for solving the Helen Brach murder. The ATF, Chuck Goudie and Joe Plemmons would all stand to gain a lot by making this con work.

I have a few reasons for continuing to inform you about this disgraceful scandal by the ATF. : 1) To protect my family. 2) To protect others from FED corruption. 3) To get more people to investigate this crime created by the FEDS. So people will see clearly as I do how many people would have gained and are involved in this crime, including a politician who I will not name.

I know that others are now investigating this evil conspiracy and many new things are being discovered. More and more people are seeing clearly what happened when ATF Rotunno and Chuck Goudie got a little too excited about taking their personal vendetta against others. Many more people will soon see that the Helen Brach murder investigation will go down as one of the FEDS biggest blunders. Also from these peoples research other surprising names will appear that have been involved in the Helen Brach Cover Up over the last 28 years.

Remember Helen Brach was very, very wealthy and many secrets are being kept to hide the names of those who gained from her death. Follow the money! Follow the money! Follow the money! Have a wonderful new year! God Bless America!

__________________

There are some very serious crimes the ATF, Joe Plemmons and Chuck Goudie have commited!

The ATF by messing with my fathers first lawyer and fabricating the Helen Brach Muder Mystery being solved has created obstruction of justice, slander, libel, defamation of character, invasion of privacy, intentional infliction of emotional distress and some more!

I am not a lawyer but have study the law some. I think it is a crime to falsely accuse someone of murder!

I thought it was very interesting that a jury had awarded a former Chicago policeman 6.6 million $ because he was set up by the FBI.

This story aired right in the middle of Chuck Goudie's show! This law suit was only against 2 FBI agents. He will next be going after the FBI!

Steven Manning was on death row for 8 years. 2 FBI agents fabricated the story to put him away!

The FBI and the 2 agents deny it!( sound familiar lie & deny) They never admit their lies. They LIE & DENY, lie and deny!

There are some similarities and differences in the Helen Brach Muder LIE.

Steven manning was an informant for the FBI and stopped giving them the info they wanted. He alss in the past had commited some crimes.

On the other hand my father has no arrest record at all! He was a great cop for 28 plus years. He has caught murders while Joe Plemmons was conning and stealing and probably murdering people fo all these years!

Joe Plemmons arrest records is way beyond what you can immagine. The ATF is keeping a man out of jail who continues to hurt people!

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http://chronicleforums.c...30;mages/blank.gifPosted document.write(''+ myTimeZone('Mon, 29 Aug 2005 19:16:34 GMT-0700', 'Aug. 29, 2005 10:16 PM')+''); Aug. 29, 2005 10:16 PM Aug. 29, 2005 10:16 PMWow! That is a fascinating tangent to this story and could totally explain why Goldy if he is who he says is defending his Dad who was just maybe a cop in a small town and with a family to support afraid from the get go.

I didn't need to sign up for anything to get on the article. It does create a larger perspective than just crooked horse traders taking advantage of old widows. And inthe context of the times it sounds very plausible.

I had not realized the relationship of Silas Jayne to those boys.

Radio Talk you're right; I have no way to be sure of who goldy might be. BUT I have a Hungarian gypsy intuition and I think he's real and in pain. It might be one of the good things we all do in our lives if we can help him to get this all into perspective.

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http://big.oscar.aol.com...30;mages/blank.gifPosted document.write(''+ myTimeZone('Mon, 29 Aug 2005 19:45:52 GMT-0700', 'Aug. 29, 2005 10:45 PM')+''); Aug. 29, 2005 10:45 PM Aug. 29, 2005 10:45 PMHere is the story Goldy was referring to when he spoke of the ex-cop who had been framed by two FBI agents.

Jury awards $6.6 million to man 'framed' by FBI
'It's a long, long way from Death Row.'
By Matt O'Connor; Chicago Tribune staff reporter
January 24, 2005

A federal jury today awarded nearly $6.6 million in damages to former Chicago police Officer Steven Manning, finding two veteran FBI agents framed him for a Cook County murder that put him on Death Row.

The jury also held that one of the FBI agents also framed Manning in a Missouri kidnapping case. Manning spent 14 years in prison before both convictions were overturned and the prosecutions were dropped.

The damages could go even higher. U.S. District Judge Matthew Kennelly, who presided over the six-week trial, is yet to rule on whether the United States shares responsibility with the two agents for malicious prosecutions.

"It's a long, long way from Death Row to complete vindication,'' Manning said after the verdict.

The jury deliberated for 6½ days before finding FBI Special Agents Robert Buchan and Gary Miller liable for Manning's wrongful conviction in the 1990 murder of trucking firm owner James Pellegrino. Buchan was also found liable in the Missouri kidnapping case.

The jury also found the two agents had intentionally inflicted emotional distress.

Manning claimed in his civil suit that the agents had a grudge against him and framed him for the crimes. The charges surfaced after Manning, who had been an informant for the FBI, filed a civil harassment suit over his treatment by the agents when he tried to stop working in that role, said his attorney, Jon Loevy.

"It's a very unusual thing that the jury would find FBI agents framed somebody not just once but twice for capital crimes," Loevy told reporters outside the downtown Chicago courtroom where jurors returned their decision.

Federal officials this afternoon issued a statement saying they "respect the jury system, the work of this jury and its verdict.'' But they said they remained "confident that the agents who were sued did not engage in any misconduct in this matter.''

U.S. Atty. Patrick J. Fitzgerald and Richard K. Ruminski, acting special agent in charge of the Chicago office of the FBI, said they would have no further comment.

Both Miller and Buchan remain with the bureau, according to FBI spokeswoman Cynthia Yates.

In closing arguments Jan. 11, a federal prosecutor lauded both Buchan and Miller as dedicated, law-abiding FBI agents.

In a fateful decision, the FBI used a notorious informant named Tommy Dye to try to elicit evidence about the Pellegrino murder while Dye and Manning were incarcerated in Cook County Jail.

Dye asserted he had captured a confession by Manning on a hidden recorder, but when nothing was audible, he claimed that the confession came during a two-second inaudible portion of the recording.

He claimed Manning had grabbed him by the arm, bent him over, put a finger to his head as if it was a gun and said, "This is how I killed Pellegrino."

A Tribune investigation in November 1999 examined Manning's conviction as well as prosecutors' use of jailhouse informants and found both were deeply flawed.

Manning was taken off Death Row in 2000 and finally freed from prison in February 2004. His civil suit had sought damages of more than $20 million.

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That's weird if the evidence was compelling enough for the jury why wouldn't the FBI dump those two guys instead of giving them applause.

Yes! I can imagine that goldy would hope his Dad got the same treatment and there were millions in damages.Especially if this seems to be a pattern with our new and better FBI.

lyrical that's a heck of a good cross reference between you and LLDM I think we have our own whodunit team going.

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That's weird if the evidence was compelling enough for the jury why wouldn't the FBI dump those two guys instead of giving them applause.

__________________It is sad but true that many people will believe the first story they here on T.V. or in a newspaper. Even when a lot of evidence appears later to prove it was a lie. I have no doubt there are many people who still believe Chuck Goudie’s reports on the Helen Brach murder investigation’s being solved. Even with overwhelming evidence that proves he has reported many lies and misinformation from incompetence. The reason I understand this is because I use to trust what was reported on T.V. and in newspapers as being true.

Before the 1995 Richard Bailey trial, my bubble was burst from Chuck Goudie’s story, “I-Team goes to Puerto Vallarta!” I heard many lies and misinformation in this one report. Since this experience, I always look at the possibility that many reporters lie, are lazy and often do not follow up on leads. They love to sensationalize to make the story look better instead of reporting the truth.

I feel it is time to tell some new details and review some others so you can see clearly how the ATF, Chuck Goudie and Joe Plemmons created this con. They did it to become great men, carry out personal vendettas, to make money, make a name for themselves and to help some politicians.

This disregard for the law by the ATF, Chuck Goudie and Joe Plemmons was carried out because the ATF figured they could not lose. If the con worked they would have solved the Helen Brach murder. Chuck Goudie, the ATF, Joe Plemmons and a politician would have gained a lot! If it did not work, the ATF figured it would just die and go away. It was clear to the ATF that the Jaynes were pinned by negative books and media stories. They often exaggerate, lie and sensationalize unproven stories that have been told. First, Joe Plemmons has worked with the ATF for 13 years and was told exactly what to say by the ATF. Matlick the other murderer never talks to anyone. All the real evidence clearly points to Matlick being the murderer. There are many, many facts that show that Matlick was the murderer and the ATF & FBI know this! The ATF decided that they would get Matlick with their new massive amount of lies and also put away others because they can and often do get away with setups

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If you knew every detail and saw all the proof it would be crystal clear that the ATF created crimes against my father. They will be prosecuted by the law! They figured my father would not say anything because he did not say anything in the 90’s about Chuck Goudie’s disgraceful and fabricated report about him. So the ATF looked at their con as if they could not lose. No one would expose their scandal, con and criminal behavior.

At this point ATF Rotunno and Chuck Goudie are really sorry that they publicly released their lies. Not in their wildest dreams did they expect to be exposed for their lies! I have spent many thousands of hours researching their BLUNDER. Some other very wonderful people have been amazing at helping me research this FANTASTIC SCANDAL!

I am sure that some of you wonder why I continue to write on the computer and not just go after them through the legal system. At this time the Supreme Court of Illinois is investigating some of our findings!

The time has come to share with you about how many laws protect large television network stations from the average people (laws which must be changed!). These companies keep merging and getting larger and larger and can tie up civil law suits in court for many, many years! Only the largest law firms represent them and will not represent the little people unless you pay them at least $500 per hour. Goudie and his bosses know this and the majority of what he said, was told to him by the ATF. Even though he lied and misinformed many, many times, I will now explain how he felt he would get away with this in the legal system.

If the ATF, Goudie and Plemmons had done this to Oprah’s father, rather than my father, there would have been big law suits and criminal charges against most of them! No doubt, some of the ATF agents and Joe Plemmons would have gone to jail! But ATF Rotunno and his buddies know all about how to lie, cheat, con and break the law and never get prosecuted. So it is clear they would have never tried these SCUM TATICS on someone like Oprah’s father!

We have a very good case against Goudie. If the ATF did not scare, intimidate and or payoff my father’s first lawyer, a law suit would have been filed by now. My father’s lawyer told me many times that the ATF hates him and are very, very mad that we have uncovered their CON! The ATF has tapped our phone conversations, used listening devices and intercepted e-mails from my father’s lawyer to Mexico. They saw and heard that their con and scandal, which they created, was about to be exposed

Now here we are in late 2005. Chuck Goudie’s first story was on Jan 1, 2005 and there is a statue of limitation of filling a law suit that expires on Jan 1, 2006. (What a stupid law, only one year from when Chuck’s first story aired!) Another law to protect these network giants!

When we were clear that my father’s lawyer was no longer with us because of the lying, unethical ATF who think they are above the law, I searched for a good medium size law firm with 15-60 lawyers that could handle a law suit against a large network station. The largest firms generally do not handle plaintiff liable suits and this case is too big for a small firm. It would be too hard as I found out for a small firm to stop ATF Rotunno and his buddies from obstructing justice!

We needed a law firm that was willing to go deep into their own pockets to cover expenses upfront. Looking at a couple of other cases against network T.V stations the cases were tied up in court for many years. We have a very good case. The problem is there are not many law firms who handle plaintiff liable cases against network giants. If we were rich we could have had a lot of firms who would have taken my father’s case. The cost would be $400 to $500 an hour. We were looking for a law firm on a contingency basis. My father is on a fixed income and I am not wealthy. So the laws protect unethical reporters that are with large networks. However all of you can act as our court and jury and help my family stop this kind of behavior by uncaring large corporations.

Chuck Goudie and his bosses knew after my call to the I-Team (on March 31, 2005 at 10:45pm) that they made a major mistake. I left a message on a recording about this being the most one-sided report. There was nothing mentioned of con man Plemmons’ arrest record and years of working closely to the ATF. Also I clearly pointed out Goudies’ lies and misinformation years before. I said to please tell Mr. Goudie to stop harassing my father with phone calls and fed-ex’s. I said he is the last reporter on this planet that my father will talk to! I also e-mailed some of his bosses and very nicely asked them to stop Goudie from creating all these lies! Please!

However, they kept all of this trash, and sick reporting on the internet for over a year now. I think they did this because they thought they could get away with it and make more money; they do not really care that human beings are maligned by their reporter and the ATF.

Couldn’t they have at least apologized and treated my family like human beings and have taken this scum reporting of the internet??? After all, I made it clear how many lies and misinformation were in these stories!

I want all of you to know that my father has never met Helen Brach, Joe Plemmons,(murderer) Matlick,(murderer) or the Spilotros (murderers). That truth alone proves that the ATF and Joe Plemmons have committed a crime, using my father in their con to make money and look good. God knows what these scum wanted by their evil actions. My father has never been arrested for anything!!

The Richard Bailey trial was held in 1995. Shortly before, Chuck Goudie and the ABC I-Team went to Puerto Vallarta to talk to my father. My father told Goudie on the phone that he would not do an interview. Goudie would not take no for an answer. Goudie and the I-Team were all over the building where my father was staying. Also, Chuck was paying Mexicans for info about my father. People who worked there said that he was an arrogant jerk! Some of my father’s friends and workers were keeping watch to see when the jerk left. My father took one look out his sliding door to see if the I-Team was gone and they got a film of him peeking out. They used this clip in their newscast and said my father was hiding in Mexico. What a big lie! He only lives there part of the year. There you go again, Chuck! They also used this same clip for their Jan 1-3, 2005 broadcast, saying again that he was hiding in Mexico!

Goudie was not going to leave Puerto Vallarta without a story; even if it was all lies! Well Goudie’s lies did not stop there. He paid a Mexican to go on his broadcast who said senior Lee gets drunk in the morning at his condo. Then at noon, he stumbles down to the beach to sleep it off. Then he goes back to his condo to get drunk again, and on and on with disgraceful lies. Goudie probably flipped him $20 or $50. My whole family and friends saw this report. We said what a low life, sick lying person this reporter is! This sick report went on to put my father in the worst possible light possible! Goudie said I was a college student living at their place in Skokie. Another LIE! I was 34 and long out of college. At the end of the fairytale, the worst broadcast I ever saw of Goudie's, said: “I would sure like to see his tax returns.” As former President Ronald Reagan use to say: “There you go again,” Chuck. My father was already questioned and harassed by the FEDS, and was AUDITED. His finances were all in order. He worked very, very hard all his life for what he has! Why didn’t Goudie get an academy award for this performance?

As stupid as it looks in hindsight, our family said nothing at the time. We felt it would all go away including the moron who created it! Goudie was nothing but a lying, lazy sensationalist! He was not willing to leave Mexico without a great story. Even if it was only a fairytale he created

Our real nightmare started on Jan 1, 2005.When Goudie aired on every newscast for a few days. The headlines were “Helen Brach murder mystery solved”. I will start with a quote from this report and then I will clearly point out many lies and distortions by Goudie. I will continue to show you exactly how the ATF concocted their lies.

Here we go with more of the ATF, Goudie and Joe Plemmons lies. Chuck Goudie’s first report on Jan 1, 2005 was “Helen Brach murder mystery solved.” Chuck Goudie said, “Sources working the case say evidence given to prosecutors also directly connects. . .” (my father’s, full name) “ with former Skokie police officer to the murder.” Ten years ago, the I-Team located my father “hiding in Mexico.” My father ”returned home in 2003 to pick up his ailing wife. It was the last time he was believed to have been on U.S soil.” There you go again, Chuck! (2 BIG LIES BACK TO BACK!)

On a Jan 6, 2005 broadcast by Chuck Goudie: “Helen Brach murder mystery: Mob hoodlums carried out crime.” And, “a well-placed informant has told agents from the U.S. Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms Bureau that in 1977 Victor Spilotro made arrangements to sneak Helen Brach’s corpse into the Inland Steel plant in East Chicago, Indiana. Authorities say Mrs. Brach was thrown into a blast oven and cremated.” Goudie says, “a well placed informant has told” the ATF. (Please, tell me how Joe Plemmons was a well placed informant in 1977, when Joe was not working with ATF until the 1990’s? Please tell me how he can be the ATF’S main informant in the 1995 Richard Bailey trial, saying that Bailey offered Joe Plemmons $5000 to kill Helen Brach, and now he totally changes his story in 2002. Now saying - sorry, my story has totally changed! Me and nine others killed Helen and I get immunity from the murder! I get lots of money from the ATF and I will write a book and make lots of money off solving the Helen Brach murder mystery! On April 10, 2005 in the Chicago Tribune interview Plemmons talks about writing a book.

If you examine what Plemmons says in the Richard Bailey trial, he changes his story a few times in that trial! There you go again, Joe. Caught in another lie! You pathological liar, low life scum!

Also some people who have investigated the Indiana steel mill lie, say it is almost impossible to sneak a body into the steel mill without some people seeing you. ( The ATF got the idea about Helen being incinerated in a steel mill from a 1991 story that a psychic said this was how Helen was killed!) Huuummmm!!!

Chuck Goudie’s next newscast on the subject was on March 22, 2005: ”New twist in Brach murder case.” Said Goudie, “The ABC I-Team has an exclusive interview with a federal informant who says he shot and killed Helen Brach.” Also, “Richard Bailey did solicit you?”

Responded Joe Plemmons, federal informant, “Absolutely without any doubt in this whole world.”

A few questions later Goudie ask Plemmons, “Why should people believe what you say now in light of what you said in the Bailey trial.”

Plemmons replied, “I think that everything I said in the Bailey trial was transcript and I think I would stand by it.”

Con man Joe sure expresses a lot of doubt about the truth of his testimony in this last statement! It is very difficult for this pathological liar to remember all of his lies that he must have practiced over and over again in his head!

Chuck Goudie never even questioned Joe about his life of crime! Chuck will win an academy award for not informing his readers at all about Joe’s evil criminal past! Do you think Chuck is working for the public or the ATF? With this interview and all the years Chuck has worked with the ATF & FBI on the Helen Brach case, this is all we get out of an “exclusive interview” with Plemmons!! There you go again Chuck!

Chuck Goudie’s last telecast about this topic was March 31, 2005: “ABC 7 I-Team learns identities of people reportedly behind Helen Brach’s murder.” Goudie described, “It was a frigid February day in 1977 that would be her last on earth. The informant told federal agents --- and the agents now believe --- that the beginning of the end for Brach that day was at the hand of a. . .” (my father). My father “was frequently a Jayne bodyguard and close ally. In the federal report, Plemmons said that Jaynes paid. . .” (my father) “between $350,000 and $750,000 to beat Brach unconscious at her home in suburban Glenview. Then he says” (my father) “rolled her up in a blanket.”

There you go again, Chuck, Rotunno and Plemmons! First of all Chuck Goudie reported on Jan 6, 2005 that my father was a look out. Now he says he is the murderer. Please Chuck, which story is the truth?

These morons say my father was a bodyguard! These liars have a great imagination! They got this story from books written about Silas Jayne. That Silas had a policeman working for him.

Please Joe tell me why I have never seen any evidence of $350,000 to $750,000 he was paid! I know my father’s finances inside out and there is no evidence of any money my father has gotten except from working many jobs for many years. You should try this Joe, working hard for your money. Instead of stealing, murdering and lying for the ATF for your money! It is called an honest living. Something you have never done!

After over 28 years as a great policeman, and working many extra jobs, my father did well. Then he worked many years as a horseshoer, which pays well. This greatly supplemented his pension. The ATF, FBI & IRS have already checked this out!

Like I have said before the ATF has fabricated this story to solve the Helen Brach murder! The ATF knows that Matlick was one of the killers. They probably know that Plemmons was a 2nd murderer, and they are hiding information about Federal agents who made money by keeping the truth of what happened to Helen Brach secret! It looks very suspicious that some of the Federal agents who have investigated this murder mystery over the last 28 years are working for Brach Candy Company, after retiring from the FBI!

The ATF & FBI are experts at setting people up. They pay drug addicts to support their addictions, pay murderers, career con men, let people off crimes, get them out of jail and pay them money to lie to say exactly what the FEDS want to hear to frame people! I have lots of evidence that proves this!

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During the 1995 Richard Bailey trial, Judge Shadur sealed the Santiago Proffer and said that Kathy Olsen’s testimony was not credible. She was paid by the Feds at least $5,000 for her drug addiction and much more to lie about conversations she said she overheard about Helen Brach being killed. She heard this conversation while hiding in an office closet at a horse stable. Well my friends this closet was much too small to hold her then 300-pound body!

I called the I-Team March 31, 2005 at 10:45pm and sent some e-mails to Chuck Goudie’s bosses the following few days, telling them about Chuck Goudie’s lies. No more broadcasts have aired on their station about this topic since. There are two broadcasts in the ABC archives which have never been televised. One was with Kathy Olsen. Why have they never aired this? I know why! They knew that the ATF had in some way set Chuck up. Chuck Goudie was no longer allowed to report on this case! I figure by now they got it that Chuck Goudie had screwed up BIG TIME!

Goudie was an ATF Puppet! I nominate Chuck Goudie for an award. The worst investigative reporter in Chicago for the last 2 decades!! As I told you before I will not watch ABC-7 news until Goudie is gone and all of his trash reports on Helen Brach are taken off the internet and their website! It might take ABC losing 30,000 to 50,000 viewers to do this! Only then when they have lost enough money will they care! Why would they care if Chuck Goudie totally screws an innocent family and creates a nightmare for us?

“Imagine what would happen, if it was allowed that one could make up any story to get an enemy put away in prison for life, with no repercussions, no accountability or consequences to the liar. In fact, sometimes these people are rewarded with cash and IMMUNITY. This is like a true sociopaths dream.

The court system would not only be not very effective, it would become a laughing stock.

Remember some of these people have used people all their life and nothing has really happened to them. I don’t think the court system should be allowed to be ~used~ to apply punishment for someone’s personal vendetta.”

In Chicago, the FBI is lobbying big time! They invite judges, lawyers, politicians and the media to their shooting range and then wine and dine them! No wonder our court system and media are corrupt and the ATF & FBI have such a high conviction rate in Chicago!

They hand pick jurors, and pay off judges, juror members, lawyers and politicians! The media get great news leads from the ATF & FBI. An investigative reporter’s career is greatly enhanced by not telling the truth about ATF & FBI corruption! The media is scared of the Feds and wants to make money and a name for themselves by being Fed Puppets!

It is too bad we do not have newspapers in Chicago like the Washington Post & New York Times. For Gods sakes we desperately need honest reporters with some backbone, if we are to change Chicago from being the most Corrupt City in the nation!!

This week the FBI is asking for more FBI agents in Chicago, to fight corruption. Does the FBI expect us to trust them to self-clean their own corrupt organization? What we really need is to clean up ATF & FBI corruption. That’s the biggest problem we have in Chicago! God Bless America!
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During my exhaustive research of the Helen Brach murder investigation there is a clear pattern that I see. ATF Rotunno is an expert at deception to support his theories. Before ATF Rotunno leaked the Plemmons lies to the media he was heavily promoted as a great man in a book called Unbridled Rage by Gene O’Shea.(I want to make it clear that all I say about Gene O’Shea and his book are just my and a few others opinions.)

I feel that this was part of Rotunno’s plan to win public opinion of what great work he had done of getting people convicted for murders. Then his new fabricated story would carry more weight. In Unbridled Rage a lot of stories about Silas Jayne and his family are told by Rottunno and other law enforcement agents. After all the lies I have pointed out about ATF Rotunno’s disregard for the law and lying, do you believe his stories?

Rottuno paints a picture to support his con. Gene O’Shea appears to be his P.R. man. Not once throughout this book does he say anything negative about Rotunno. It appears to me and a few others that O’Shea has a hidden agenda in writing this book!

He really sucks up to Rotunno a lot. I and some others are very, very suspicious of Gene O’Shea becoming Illinois Gaming Commissioner. Did Rotunno or his ATF buddies have something to do with Govenor Blagoavich appointing him to be Illinois Gaming Commissioner?

He was a reporter at the Daily Southtown newspaper in suburban Chicago while working very close to Rotunno then he becomes Illinois Gaming Commissioner. Very, very interesting! I think this should be investigated! What do you think?

In the 1995 Ken Hansen murder trial, Hansen’s defense attorney O’Donnell says as Gene O’Shea writes in O’Donnell’s opening statement, “The state’s case was nothing more than fabrication, woven from lies and stories of paid witnesses who were working hand in hand with federal agents to rebuild the tarnished reputation of the Bureau of Tobacco, Alcohol and Firearms, O’Donnell said.”

“An unholy alliance was created a few years ago, that alliance was between William Wemette, a man who has to please people who pay him money, provide him housing, give him free telephone service, and a unit of government called ATF,” O’Donnell said. “The ATF in 1993 was probably the most discredited law enforcement agency on the face of the earth after the Waco disaster and Ruby Ridge. They desperately needed to seek to rehabilitate their image before the public.”

William Wemette was and FBI informant from 1971-1989. Then the ATF gets new information from him in the 90’s about a murder that happened in the 50’s. Very, very suspicious looking! Maybe another ATF setup! What do you think?

O’Shea writes about the 1995 Bailey trial, “Judge Shadur found that Bailey had conspired to murder Helen Brach based on a “preponderance of evidence.”

This is just from Joe Plemmons testimony! Bailey was convicted of stealing from rich woman. But to sentence him for conspiring to kill Helen Brach on Joe Plemmons word alone looks real weird to me!

O’Shea writes, “On a moment’s notice Rotunno would find himself switching gears from a suburban family man with a wife and three daughters to his undercover persona as a ruthless drug dealer who “moved” truckloads of marijuana. Gang members came to admire Rotunno, nick naming him “Red” because of the government-issued undercover hot rod he drove, a fully loaded red Mustang.”

So Rotunno is a trained liar. I bet he is so good at lying that he could look you in the eyes and make you believe his lie. He can probably lie constantly to a lie detector and pass the test!

O’Shea writes, “Rotunno, with all of his years of undercover work, had honed his instincts, and trusted them. His intuition had gotten him out of a jam on more than one occasion; sometimes he just knew he was right about a suspect or theory.” “Like many lawmen, Rotunno was very good at reading personalities. He often relied on his internal lie detector when sizing up witnesses and informants. Rotunno was also a guarded individual. He rarely shared his opinions or true emotions, and when he did, it was only around those he trusted. Rotunno’s guarded demeanor would pigeonhole him as “bad cop” in an interrogation situation.”

So once Rotunno creates a theory he will do whatever it takes to support his theory. In the Helen Brach murder investigation, he has lied and fabricated evidence to support his theory. He thinks he is above the law. He has broken the law over and over. Why should Rotunno be able to break the law and not be fired and prosecuted?

Remember ATF Bob Hauffman saying on Jan 10, 2005 on “60 Minutes” that he could substantiate one of the three ATF woman agent’s claims that ATF agents sexually harassed them. He went on to say that all the criminals that he has put away in his career, all of them have more honor than the top official in the ATF! He said I know this is a sad commentary but that is my experience as an ATF agent! How can we blame ATF Rotunno? He is just following their example!
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There are 5 people I personally know who the ATF and FBI have attempted to frame over the years. Only 1 of the 5 were sucessful. I have proof that the sucessful frame up by the ATF was achieved by special Agent John Rotunno of the ATF, Chicago.

The ATF is making a laughing stock of the Chicagoland court system! I trust ATF agent Bob Haufmans words on the T.V program "60 minutes" that all of the criminals he has arrested have more honor than the leaders of the ATF!

One of my friends who the FBI tried to set up, who by the way is one of the most honest people I have ever known!

My friend had a business that a few counterfiet bills passed through. He was accused by the FEDS of being involved in counterfeiting! For 2 years he had this lie the FEDS had created hanging over his head.(Another nightmare created by my dear FEDS)

One day my friend was talking with one of the FEDS and mentioned how can you be so cruel to create this lie about me. The FEDS response was " We are the good guys. Who do you think they will believe?"

Oh my friends I have awakened to an evillness much greater than I thought existed in the Chicagoland area!

Chicago is so corrupt I am now sad to say this is my home town! The ATF & FBI have made a joke of our court system. Hand picking jury members, paying juriors,lawyers, and judges. No wonder the ATF & FBI have such a high conviction rate!

I love my country and do not want to see it destroyed by politicians, newsmedia, lawyers, judges, ATF & FBI who only care about power & money! A good start to stop this corruption would be to terminate the ATF and take the best of this EVIL AGENCY and put those people in the FBI and Home Land Security.

I am sure that most of you have enough problems in your own lives and I know you do not want to take a stand to stop these EVIL,egotistical and power hungry ATF agents from being Above The Law ( like their MENTOR J. Edgar Hoover.) But if you look in the future about 5-10 years and see that with modern technology the ATF & FBI will have your house completely monitured. They can watch you and your family in the bedroom or washroom. With the stories of child molestation by the FEDS and all the other Evil acts. Will you feel that your family is safe?

I hope many of you will fight for your Civil Liberties which the Politicians are giving away to the FEDS! Come on! Like the FEDS did not have too much power before 9-11. If the FEDS were not spending so much time and money on framming people maybe 9-11 would not have happened! HELLLLOOOOO!!!

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A New York FBI agent, Jerome Sullivan, a 25-year FBI veteran, who headed an organized crime squad that arrested John Gotti's heir apparent, was indicted on charges of stealing more than 400 hundred thousand dollars, including mob money he helped seize. [Chicago Tribune, 6/27/97]. He later pleaded guilty to embezzling more than 400 hundred thousand dollars from the Bureau, some of it money used for undercover work, as his gambling debts mounted. [Chicago Tribune, 1/29/98.]

A Brooklyn Federal Court juror who voted to acquit mafia boss John Gotti five years previous was convicted of agreeing to take a 60 thousand dollar bribe to throw the case. [Chicago Tribune, 11/7/92.] Played down, on the other hand by the Bureau, was a situation where a local reputed mobster somehow arranged to sit on a federal grand jury in Chicago investigating organized crime. After his presence was "discovered", the grand juror problem seemed to fade away to the dark hole of monopoly press never-never land. [U.S.versus Robert Girardi. Chicago Tribune, 1/19/94. Girardi was from the Berwyn-Cicero mafia enclave adjacent to Chicago.] It was a highly sensitive matter for the Bureau. Why? Because, as is little-known, the Northern District of Illinois which includes Chicago, is about the only Federal District in the U.S. where the FBI hand-selects the persons who become grand jurors and trial court jurors. So, it appears plain that the FBI put the tainted juror in place. There were to follow investigations of what indictments were "tainted" by Girardi being on the grand jury. Nothing has been publicly disclosed as to what criminals were thus turned loose by "defective" indictments caused by FBI corruption. And if someone gets framed by the FBI, an FBI-selected trial jury would most likely find that person "guilty". You can see why the Justice Department has such good results in persecuting persons in the corrupt Chicago federal courts.

The press fakers, at the behest of the FBI, ignored the documented items in the undisputed federal court record in Chicago showing massive Bureau corruption in the 25 million dollar robbery of the Purolator Vault, in 1974.[The Marzano case.] With the "counting machine" help of the reputed mobster-linked Amalgamated Bank & Trust of Chicago, top FBI officials arranged to falsely label the rip-off as just 2 million dollars which the Bureau with the then U.S. Attorney Jim Thompson recovered from a basement. The 23 million dollar difference reportedly financed the political ambitions of "Big Jim" who went on to become, for 14 years, Illinois Governor. He is a Rockefeller family puppet. Being cheapskates, they financed his "career" with stolen money. According to undisputed federal court records in the Marzano case, a senior FBI inspector reportedly helped arrange to make the 23 million dollar difference disappear from government records. He was allowed to take an early retirement and moved away to the West Coast. Jim Thompson more currently has been head of the huge worldwide law factory, headquartered in Chicago, Winston & Strawn. As we showed in a one-hour public access Cable TV Show in 1994, Thompson's law firm has a secret internal unit reportedly in the worldwide dope traffic, for the Rockefeller family, and not in the law business. Off the record for fear of their lives, several employees of the

"I too, think that Matlick had something to do with the whole thing. Anyone who would lie about where she went, taking her to the airport, forge checks and all the other stuff he did, is not some rube houseman.
I think he was paid to be hush-hush, set the bait and to destroy the evidence. Bailey is also involved and is where he belongs, IMHO."
"Ernie Rizzo worked on the case for a while, paid by the lawyers of the Humane Society or whatever group or her lawyer maybe? I met him during his investigation after my family wanted to know what was being done etc.
Then he had to go on a "federal vacation" for a bit and we lost touch. Then I moved home to Ohio."

"I would love to see this solved."

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I have been a Farrier for 15 years. Matlick was one of the killers and possibly Joe Plemmons. Also I feel there is a good possibility that a Fed agent that Helen contacted had something to do with her vanishing!

I really do not know for sure. I do feel certain that Matlick was one of the killers.

The are some real funny things that have happened by the Feds over the years. So my feeling is that some people who long ago investigated Helen Brach vanishing found the answer and got paid money to keep it secret

Follow the MONEY! Follow the MONEY! Follow the MONEY! $$$$$$$

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Suzi

Reputation is what you are in the light.
Character is what you are in the dark.
If I guess the right name, do I get a prize?

I pick "Brach murder" for $800.
"Steve Reiter's father"

KK-"Who is Lee Reiter?"

I still would like to know how no one saw them at a blast furnace. Those factories are never unguarded. That and ten people, eleven since I believe Bailey is in it too, is a lot of people to "trust". They do sound like quite a mix, especially the Hansen guy who is in prison for other killings.
But, why wouldn't he just own up since he already is in prison? Thought of the death penalty? Fear of a prison "accident"?

I read the link, thank you Richard! Much of it does make sense, including the fact that Matlick was painting after Helen Brach disappeared and got new carpet too, or got it cleaned......

I do think she took the plane home from the Mayo and did not go by car. I believe Matlick picked her up at the airport, drove her home and she died soon after that or was a prisoner in her home. She was a "phone" lover but never called anyone after she got home. That makes me think she wasn't home long, or at least able to use the phone. Matlick said Helen Brach went out with Bailey on that Sunday. I think that was the day the body was removed, though I think she was incapacitated before that time. Saying she went out with Bailey was the perfect cover for a strange car being there. Then the forged checks by Matlick, which he lamely tried to explain away and the fact he says he took Helen Brach to the airport in a Jeep and not one of her nice comfie cars, leads me to feel in my heart that Matlick was always right in the middle of it all.
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Suzi

Reputation is what you are in the light.
Character is what you are in the dark.
Chuck Goudie

March 31, 2005 - Federal law enforcement authorities say it took ten people to pull off one of Chicago's most mysterious murders-the long unsolved disappearance of Helen Brach, heir to the Brach Candy fortune. The ABC7 I-Team has learned the identities of those people that federal agents said are responsible for Brach's death.

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Yes Suzi , you get the prize. You are right on the money!
Also Suzi, public record shows that there were at least $$hundreds of thousands or more of bearer bonds missing. I think someone many years ago investiating the Helen Brach murder found the truth and were paid alot of money to keep quiet.

Richard, all you have to do is hit ABC 7 Images and you will see the picture of my father you could not find.

The only reason I do not use my fathers name is out of respect. Chuck Goudie has shown no respect for my father by illegally using my fathers name over and over again on T.V. and the internet!

Since ABC 7 news and Chuck Goudie continue to have their fairytale on the internet for some sick reason using my fathers name, I will use there stories without using my fathers name to expose their lies.(CON)

I feel the biggest problem with this whole Helen Brach murder CON is that most people believe all the stories they read in the books and newscasts about Helen Brach and people connected. I used to be naïve also until Chuck Goudie's I- Team goes to Puerto Vallarta was aired in the 90's which had no truth except Chuck Goudie was where he said he was and my father was there. Besides that it was a complete fairytale!

So if you want to trust the ATF & FBI and other law enforcement stories in the books written. Be my guest. But you are just being suck into a lot of lies and fabrications to help the feds become great people in setting people up. Sure there are some truths but remember the feds are trained liars! If the feds would spend more time going after criminals with real evidence, instead of lies which create investigation of their cons. Then the feds have to spend a lot more time and money to lie and setup the people uncovering their cons.( It gets real complicated all the lies they create and then cover ups!) In reality if the feds would be honest maybe they would be able to have enough man power to stop terrorism!

Do not be surprised if the feds plant something illegal on me or do voiceovers on my conversations. (To make a conversation something other than what really happened) God knows what they might do. Anything to make themselves look good instead of protecting us!

Again Suzi, you along with many others are understanding how this Helen Brach murder investigation has evolved. Scandel, cons, coverups and 29 years later and maybe $ billions of taxpayers money spent. The ATF goes after their glorious CON instead of protecting us from current real threats!

(Suzi) "I too, think that Matlick had something to do with the whole thing. Anyone who would lie about where she went, taking her to the airport, forge checks and all the other stuff he did, is not some rube houseman.
I think he was paid to be hush-hush, set the bait and to destroy the evidence. Bailey is also involved and is where he belongs, IMHO."
"Ernie Rizzo worked on the case for a while, paid by the lawyers of the Humane Society or whatever group or her lawyer maybe? I met him during his investigation after my family wanted to know what was being done etc.
Then he had to go on a "federal vacation" for a bit and we lost touch. Then I moved home to Ohio."

"I would love to see this solved."

Quote:
Originally Posted by steve reiter
I have been a Farrier for 15 years. Matlick was one of the killers and possibly Joe Plemmons. Also I feel there is a good possibility that a Fed agent that Helen contacted had something to do with her vanishing!

I really do not know for sure. I do feel certain that Matlick was one of the killers.

The are some real funny things that have happened by the Feds over the years. So my feeling is that some people who long ago investigated Helen Brach vanishing found the answer and got paid money to keep it secret

Follow the MONEY! Follow the MONEY! Follow the MONEY! $$$$$$$

______
Suzi

Reputation is what you are in the light.
Character is what you are in the dark.
If I guess the right name, do I get a prize?

I pick "Brach murder" for $800.
"Steve Reiter's father"

KK-"Who is Lee Reiter?"

I still would like to know how no one saw them at a blast furnace. Those factories are never unguarded. That and ten people, eleven since I believe Bailey is in it too, is a lot of people to "trust". They do sound like quite a mix, especially the Hansen guy who is in prison for other killings.
But, why wouldn't he just own up since he already is in prison? Thought of the death penalty? Fear of a prison "accident"?

I read the link, thank you Richard! Much of it does make sense, including the fact that Matlick was painting after Helen Brach disappeared and got new carpet too, or got it cleaned......

I do think she took the plane home from the Mayo and did not go by car. I believe Matlick picked her up at the airport, drove her home and she died soon after that or was a prisoner in her home. She was a "phone" lover but never called anyone after she got home. That makes me think she wasn't home long, or at least able to use the phone. Matlick said Helen Brach went out with Bailey on that Sunday. I think that was the day the body was removed, though I think she was incapacitated before that time. Saying she went out with Bailey was the perfect cover for a strange car being there. Then the forged checks by Matlick, which he lamely tried to explain away and the fact he says he took Helen Brach to the airport in a Jeep and not one of her nice comfie cars, leads me to feel in my heart that Matlick was always right in the middle of it all.
______
Suzi

Reputation is what you are in the light.
Character is what you are in the dark.
Chuck Goudie

March 31, 2005 - Federal law enforcement authorities say it took ten people to pull off one of Chicago's most mysterious murders-the long unsolved disappearance of Helen Brach, heir to the Brach Candy fortune. The ABC7 I-Team has learned the identities of those people that federal agents said are responsible for Brach's death.

Related Links

ABC 7 Images
Yes Suzi , you get the prize. You are right on the money!
Also Suzi, public record shows that there were at least $$hundreds of thousands or more of bearer bonds missing. I think someone many years ago investiating the Helen Brach murder found the truth and were paid alot of money to keep quiet.

Richard, all you have to do is hit ABC 7 Images and you will see the picture of my father you could not find.

The only reason I do not use my fathers name is out of respect. Chuck Goudie has shown no respect for my father by illegally using my fathers name over and over again on T.V. and the internet!

Since ABC 7 news and Chuck Goudie continue to have their fairytale on the internet for some sick reason using my fathers name, I will use there stories without using my fathers name to expose their lies.(CON)

I feel the biggest problem with this whole Helen Brach murder CON is that most people believe all the stories they read in the books and newscasts about Helen Brach and people connected. I used to be naïve also until Chuck Goudie's I- Team goes to Puerto Vallarta was aired in the 90's which had no truth except Chuck Goudie was where he said he was and my father was there. Besides that it was a complete fairytale!

So if you want to trust the ATF & FBI and other law enforcement stories in the books written. Be my guest. But you are just being suck into a lot of lies and fabrications to help the feds become great people in setting people up. Sure there are some truths but remember the feds are trained liars! If the feds would spend more time going after criminals with real evidence, instead of lies which create investigation of their cons. Then the feds have to spend a lot more time and money to lie and setup the people uncovering their cons.( It gets real complicated all the lies they create and then cover ups!) In reality if the feds would be honest maybe they would be able to have enough man power to stop terrorism!

Do not be surprised if the feds plant something illegal on me or do voiceovers on my conversations. (To make a conversation something other than what really happened) God knows what they might do. Anything to make themselves look good instead of protecting us!

Again Suzi, you along with many others are understanding how this Helen Brach murder investigation has evolved. Scandel, cons, coverups and 29 years later and maybe $ billions of taxpayers money spent. The ATF goes after their glorious CON instead of protecting us from current real threats!

(Suzi) "I too, think that Matlick had something to do with the whole thing. Anyone who would lie about where she went, taking her to the airport, forge checks and all the other stuff he did, is not some rube houseman.
I think he was paid to be hush-hush, set the bait and to destroy the evidence. Bailey is also involved and is where he belongs, IMHO."
"Ernie Rizzo worked on the case for a while, paid by the lawyers of the Humane Society or whatever group or her lawyer maybe? I met him during his investigation after my family wanted to know what was being done etc.
Then he had to go on a "federal vacation" for a bit and we lost touch. Then I moved home to Ohio."

"I would love to see this solved."

Quote:
Originally Posted by steve reiter
I have been a Farrier for 15 years. Matlick was one of the killers and possibly Joe Plemmons. Also I feel there is a good possibility that a Fed agent that Helen contacted had something to do with her vanishing!

I really do not know for sure. I do feel certain that Matlick was one of the killers.

The are some real funny things that have happened by the Feds over the years. So my feeling is that some people who long ago investigated Helen Brach vanishing found the answer and got paid money to keep it secret

Follow the MONEY! Follow the MONEY! Follow the MONEY! $$$$$$$

______
Suzi

Reputation is what you are in the light.
Character is what you are in the dark.
If I guess the right name, do I get a prize?

I pick "Brach murder" for $800.
"Steve Reiter's father"

KK-"Who is Lee Reiter?"

I still would like to know how no one saw them at a blast furnace. Those factories are never unguarded. That and ten people, eleven since I believe Bailey is in it too, is a lot of people to "trust". They do sound like quite a mix, especially the Hansen guy who is in prison for other killings.
But, why wouldn't he just own up since he already is in prison? Thought of the death penalty? Fear of a prison "accident"?

I read the link, thank you Richard! Much of it does make sense, including the fact that Matlick was painting after Helen Brach disappeared and got new carpet too, or got it cleaned......

I do think she took the plane home from the Mayo and did not go by car. I believe Matlick picked her up at the airport, drove her home and she died soon after that or was a prisoner in her home. She was a "phone" lover but never called anyone after she got home. That makes me think she wasn't home long, or at least able to use the phone. Matlick said Helen Brach went out with Bailey on that Sunday. I think that was the day the body was removed, though I think she was incapacitated before that time. Saying she went out with Bailey was the perfect cover for a strange car being there. Then the forged checks by Matlick, which he lamely tried to explain away and the fact he says he took Helen Brach to the airport in a Jeep and not one of her nice comfie cars, leads me to feel in my heart that Matlick was always right in the middle of it all.
______
Suzi

Reputation is what you are in the light.
Character is what you are in the dark.
Chuck Goudie

March 31, 2005 - Federal law enforcement authorities say it took ten people to pull off one of Chicago's most mysterious murders-the long unsolved disappearance of Helen Brach, heir to the Brach Candy fortune. The ABC7 I-Team has learned the identities of those people that federal agents said are responsible for Brach's death.

Related Links

ABC 7 Images
Yes Suzi , you get the prize. You are right on the money!
Also Suzi, public record shows that there were at least $$hundreds of thousands or more of bearer bonds missing. I think someone many years ago investiating the Helen Brach murder found the truth and were paid alot of money to keep quiet.

Richard, all you have to do is hit ABC 7 Images and you will see the picture of my father you could not find.

The only reason I do not use my fathers name is out of respect. Chuck Goudie has shown no respect for my father by illegally using my fathers name over and over again on T.V. and the internet!

Since ABC 7 news and Chuck Goudie continue to have their fairytale on the internet for some sick reason using my fathers name, I will use there stories without using my fathers name to expose their lies.(CON)

I feel the biggest problem with this whole Helen Brach murder CON is that most people believe all the stories they read in the books and newscasts about Helen Brach and people connected. I used to be naïve also until Chuck Goudie's I- Team goes to Puerto Vallarta was aired in the 90's which had no truth except Chuck Goudie was where he said he was and my father was there. Besides that it was a complete fairytale!

So if you want to trust the ATF & FBI and other law enforcement stories in the books written. Be my guest. But you are just being suck into a lot of lies and fabrications to help the feds become great people in setting people up. Sure there are some truths but remember the feds are trained liars! If the feds would spend more time going after criminals with real evidence, instead of lies which create investigation of their cons. Then the feds have to spend a lot more time and money to lie and setup the people uncovering their cons.( It gets real complicated all the lies they create and then cover ups!) In reality if the feds would be honest maybe they would be able to have enough man power to stop terrorism!

Do not be surprised if the feds plant something illegal on me or do voiceovers on my conversations. (To make a conversation something other than what really happened) God knows what they might do. Anything to make themselves look good instead of protecting us!

Again Suzi, you along with many others are understanding how this Helen Brach murder investigation has evolved. Scandel, cons, coverups and 29 years later and maybe $ billions of taxpayers money spent. The ATF goes after their glorious CON instead of protecting us from current real threats!

(Suzi) "I too, think that Matlick had something to do with the whole thing. Anyone who would lie about where she went, taking her to the airport, forge checks and all the other stuff he did, is not some rube houseman.
I think he was paid to be hush-hush, set the bait and to destroy the evidence. Bailey is also involved and is where he belongs, IMHO."
"Ernie Rizzo worked on the case for a while, paid by the lawyers of the Humane Society or whatever group or her lawyer maybe? I met him during his investigation after my family wanted to know what was being done etc.
Then he had to go on a "federal vacation" for a bit and we lost touch. Then I moved home to Ohio."

"I would love to see this solved."

Quote:
Originally Posted by steve reiter
I have been a Farrier for 15 years. Matlick was one of the killers and possibly Joe Plemmons. Also I feel there is a good possibility that a Fed agent that Helen contacted had something to do with her vanishing!

I really do not know for sure. I do feel certain that Matlick was one of the killers.

The are some real funny things that have happened by the Feds over the years. So my feeling is that some people who long ago investigated Helen Brach vanishing found the answer and got paid money to keep it secret

Follow the MONEY! Follow the MONEY! Follow the MONEY! $$$$$$$

______
Suzi

Reputation is what you are in the light.
Character is what you are in the dark.
If I guess the right name, do I get a prize?

I pick "Brach murder" for $800.
"Steve Reiter's father"

KK-"Who is Lee Reiter?"

I still would like to know how no one saw them at a blast furnace. Those factories are never unguarded. That and ten people, eleven since I believe Bailey is in it too, is a lot of people to "trust". They do sound like quite a mix, especially the Hansen guy who is in prison for other killings.
But, why wouldn't he just own up since he already is in prison? Thought of the death penalty? Fear of a prison "accident"?

I read the link, thank you Richard! Much of it does make sense, including the fact that Matlick was painting after Helen Brach disappeared and got new carpet too, or got it cleaned......

I do think she took the plane home from the Mayo and did not go by car. I believe Matlick picked her up at the airport, drove her home and she died soon after that or was a prisoner in her home. She was a "phone" lover but never called anyone after she got home. That makes me think she wasn't home long, or at least able to use the phone. Matlick said Helen Brach went out with Bailey on that Sunday. I think that was the day the body was removed, though I think she was incapacitated before that time. Saying she went out with Bailey was the perfect cover for a strange car being there. Then the forged checks by Matlick, which he lamely tried to explain away and the fact he says he took Helen Brach to the airport in a Jeep and not one of her nice comfie cars, leads me to feel in my heart that Matlick was always right in the middle of it all.
______
Suzi

Reputation is what you are in the light.
Character is what you are in the dark.
Chuck Goudie

March 31, 2005 - Federal law enforcement authorities say it took ten people to pull off one of Chicago's most mysterious murders-the long unsolved disappearance of Helen Brach, heir to the Brach Candy fortune. The ABC7 I-Team has learned the identities of those people that federal agents said are responsible for Brach's death.

Related Links

ABC 7 Images
Yes Suzi , you get the prize. You are right on the money!
Also Suzi, public record shows that there were at least $$hundreds of thousands or more of bearer bonds missing. I think someone many years ago investiating the Helen Brach murder found the truth and were paid alot of money to keep quiet.

Richard, all you have to do is hit ABC 7 Images and you will see the picture of my father you could not find.

The only reason I do not use my fathers name is out of respect. Chuck Goudie has shown no respect for my father by illegally using my fathers name over and over again on T.V. and the internet!

Since ABC 7 news and Chuck Goudie continue to have their fairytale on the internet for some sick reason using my fathers name, I will use there stories without using my fathers name to expose their lies.(CON)

I feel the biggest problem with this whole Helen Brach murder CON is that most people believe all the stories they read in the books and newscasts about Helen Brach and people connected. I used to be naïve also until Chuck Goudie's I- Team goes to Puerto Vallarta was aired in the 90's which had no truth except Chuck Goudie was where he said he was and my father was there. Besides that it was a complete fairytale!

So if you want to trust the ATF & FBI and other law enforcement stories in the books written. Be my guest. But you are just being suck into a lot of lies and fabrications to help the feds become great people in setting people up. Sure there are some truths but remember the feds are trained liars! If the feds would spend more time going after criminals with real evidence, instead of lies which create investigation of their cons. Then the feds have to spend a lot more time and money to lie and setup the people uncovering their cons.( It gets real complicated all the lies they create and then cover ups!) In reality if the feds would be honest maybe they would be able to have enough man power to stop terrorism!

Do not be surprised if the feds plant something illegal on me or do voiceovers on my conversations. (To make a conversation something other than what really happened) God knows what they might do. Anything to make themselves look good instead of protecting us!

Again Suzi, you along with many others are understanding how this Helen Brach murder investigation has evolved. Scandel, cons, coverups and 29 years later and maybe $ billions of taxpayers money spent. The ATF goes after their glorious CON instead of protecting us from current real threats!

(Suzi) "I too, think that Matlick had something to do with the whole thing. Anyone who would lie about where she went, taking her to the airport, forge checks and all the other stuff he did, is not some rube houseman.
I think he was paid to be hush-hush, set the bait and to destroy the evidence. Bailey is also involved and is where he belongs, IMHO."
"Ernie Rizzo worked on the case for a while, paid by the lawyers of the Humane Society or whatever group or her lawyer maybe? I met him during his investigation after my family wanted to know what was being done etc.
Then he had to go on a "federal vacation" for a bit and we lost touch. Then I moved home to Ohio."

"I would love to see this solved."

Quote:
Originally Posted by steve reiter
I have been a Farrier for 15 years. Matlick was one of the killers and possibly Joe Plemmons. Also I feel there is a good possibility that a Fed agent that Helen contacted had something to do with her vanishing!

I really do not know for sure. I do feel certain that Matlick was one of the killers.

The are some real funny things that have happened by the Feds over the years. So my feeling is that some people who long ago investigated Helen Brach vanishing found the answer and got paid money to keep it secret

Follow the MONEY! Follow the MONEY! Follow the MONEY! $$$$$$$

______
Suzi

Reputation is what you are in the light.
Character is what you are in the dark.
If I guess the right name, do I get a prize?

I pick "Brach murder" for $800.
"Steve Reiter's father"

KK-"Who is Lee Reiter?"

I still would like to know how no one saw them at a blast furnace. Those factories are never unguarded. That and ten people, eleven since I believe Bailey is in it too, is a lot of people to "trust". They do sound like quite a mix, especially the Hansen guy who is in prison for other killings.
But, why wouldn't he just own up since he already is in prison? Thought of the death penalty? Fear of a prison "accident"?

I read the link, thank you Richard! Much of it does make sense, including the fact that Matlick was painting after Helen Brach disappeared and got new carpet too, or got it cleaned......

I do think she took the plane home from the Mayo and did not go by car. I believe Matlick picked her up at the airport, drove her home and she died soon after that or was a prisoner in her home. She was a "phone" lover but never called anyone after she got home. That makes me think she wasn't home long, or at least able to use the phone. Matlick said Helen Brach went out with Bailey on that Sunday. I think that was the day the body was removed, though I think she was incapacitated before that time. Saying she went out with Bailey was the perfect cover for a strange car being there. Then the forged checks by Matlick, which he lamely tried to explain away and the fact he says he took Helen Brach to the airport in a Jeep and not one of her nice comfie cars, leads me to feel in my heart that Matlick was always right in the middle of it all.
______
Suzi

Reputation is what you are in the light.
Character is what you are in the dark.
Chuck Goudie

March 31, 2005 - Federal law enforcement authorities say it took ten people to pull off one of Chicago's most mysterious murders-the long unsolved disappearance of Helen Brach, heir to the Brach Candy fortune. The ABC7 I-Team has learned the identities of those people that federal agents said are responsible for Brach's death.

Related Links

ABC 7 Images
Yes Suzi , you get the prize. You are right on the money!
Also Suzi, public record shows that there were at least $$hundreds of thousands or more of bearer bonds missing. I think someone many years ago investiating the Helen Brach murder found the truth and were paid alot of money to keep quiet.

Richard, all you have to do is hit ABC 7 Images and you will see the picture of my father you could not find.

The only reason I do not use my fathers name is out of respect. Chuck Goudie has shown no respect for my father by illegally using my fathers name over and over again on T.V. and the internet!

Since ABC 7 news and Chuck Goudie continue to have their fairytale on the internet for some sick reason using my fathers name, I will use there stories without using my fathers name to expose their lies.(CON)

I feel the biggest problem with this whole Helen Brach murder CON is that most people believe all the stories they read in the books and newscasts about Helen Brach and people connected. I used to be naïve also until Chuck Goudie's I- Team goes to Puerto Vallarta was aired in the 90's which had no truth except Chuck Goudie was where he said he was and my father was there. Besides that it was a complete fairytale!

So if you want to trust the ATF & FBI and other law enforcement stories in the books written. Be my guest. But you are just being suck into a lot of lies and fabrications to help the feds become great people in setting people up. Sure there are some truths but remember the feds are trained liars! If the feds would spend more time going after criminals with real evidence, instead of lies which create investigation of their cons. Then the feds have to spend a lot more time and money to lie and setup the people uncovering their cons.( It gets real complicated all the lies they create and then cover ups!) In reality if the feds would be honest maybe they would be able to have enough man power to stop terrorism!

Do not be surprised if the feds plant something illegal on me or do voiceovers on my conversations. (To make a conversation something other than what really happened) God knows what they might do. Anything to make themselves look good instead of protecting us!

Again Suzi, you along with many others are understanding how this Helen Brach murder investigation has evolved. Scandel, cons, coverups and 29 years later and maybe $ billions of taxpayers money spent. The ATF goes after their glorious CON instead of protecting us from current real threats!

(Suzi) "I too, think that Matlick had something to do with the whole thing. Anyone who would lie about where she went, taking her to the airport, forge checks and all the other stuff he did, is not some rube houseman.
I think he was paid to be hush-hush, set the bait and to destroy the evidence. Bailey is also involved and is where he belongs, IMHO."
"Ernie Rizzo worked on the case for a while, paid by the lawyers of the Humane Society or whatever group or her lawyer maybe? I met him during his investigation after my family wanted to know what was being done etc.
Then he had to go on a "federal vacation" for a bit and we lost touch. Then I moved home to Ohio."

"I would love to see this solved."

Quote:
Originally Posted by steve reiter
I have been a Farrier for 15 years. Matlick was one of the killers and possibly Joe Plemmons. Also I feel there is a good possibility that a Fed agent that Helen contacted had something to do with her vanishing!

I really do not know for sure. I do feel certain that Matlick was one of the killers.

The are some real funny things that have happened by the Feds over the years. So my feeling is that some people who long ago investigated Helen Brach vanishing found the answer and got paid money to keep it secret

Follow the MONEY! Follow the MONEY! Follow the MONEY! $$$$$$$

______
Suzi

Reputation is what you are in the light.
Character is what you are in the dark.
If I guess the right name, do I get a prize?

I pick "Brach murder" for $800.
"Steve Reiter's father"

KK-"Who is Lee Reiter?"

I still would like to know how no one saw them at a blast furnace. Those factories are never unguarded. That and ten people, eleven since I believe Bailey is in it too, is a lot of people to "trust". They do sound like quite a mix, especially the Hansen guy who is in prison for other killings.
But, why wouldn't he just own up since he already is in prison? Thought of the death penalty? Fear of a prison "accident"?

I read the link, thank you Richard! Much of it does make sense, including the fact that Matlick was painting after Helen Brach disappeared and got new carpet too, or got it cleaned......

I do think she took the plane home from the Mayo and did not go by car. I believe Matlick picked her up at the airport, drove her home and she died soon after that or was a prisoner in her home. She was a "phone" lover but never called anyone after she got home. That makes me think she wasn't home long, or at least able to use the phone. Matlick said Helen Brach went out with Bailey on that Sunday. I think that was the day the body was removed, though I think she was incapacitated before that time. Saying she went out with Bailey was the perfect cover for a strange car being there. Then the forged checks by Matlick, which he lamely tried to explain away and the fact he says he took Helen Brach to the airport in a Jeep and not one of her nice comfie cars, leads me to feel in my heart that Matlick was always right in the middle of it all.
______
Suzi

Reputation is what you are in the light.
Character is what you are in the dark.
Chuck Goudie

March 31, 2005 - Federal law enforcement authorities say it took ten people to pull off one of Chicago's most mysterious murders-the long unsolved disappearance of Helen Brach, heir to the Brach Candy fortune. The ABC7 I-Team has learned the identities of those people that federal agents said are responsible for Brach's death.

Related Links

ABC 7 Images
Yes Suzi , you get the prize. You are right on the money!
Also Suzi, public record shows that there were at least $$hundreds of thousands or more of bearer bonds missing. I think someone many years ago investiating the Helen Brach murder found the truth and were paid alot of money to keep quiet.

Richard, all you have to do is hit ABC 7 Images and you will see the picture of my father you could not find.

The only reason I do not use my fathers name is out of respect. Chuck Goudie has shown no respect for my father by illegally using my fathers name over and over again on T.V. and the internet!

Since ABC 7 news and Chuck Goudie continue to have their fairytale on the internet for some sick reason using my fathers name, I will use there stories without using my fathers name to expose their lies.(CON)

I feel the biggest problem with this whole Helen Brach murder CON is that most people believe all the stories they read in the books and newscasts about Helen Brach and people connected. I used to be naïve also until Chuck Goudie's I- Team goes to Puerto Vallarta was aired in the 90's which had no truth except Chuck Goudie was where he said he was and my father was there. Besides that it was a complete fairytale!

So if you want to trust the ATF & FBI and other law enforcement stories in the books written. Be my guest. But you are just being suck into a lot of lies and fabrications to help the feds become great people in setting people up. Sure there are some truths but remember the feds are trained liars! If the feds would spend more time going after criminals with real evidence, instead of lies which create investigation of their cons. Then the feds have to spend a lot more time and money to lie and setup the people uncovering their cons.( It gets real complicated all the lies they create and then cover ups!) In reality if the feds would be honest maybe they would be able to have enough man power to stop terrorism!

Do not be surprised if the feds plant something illegal on me or do voiceovers on my conversations. (To make a conversation something other than what really happened) God knows what they might do. Anything to make themselves look good instead of protecting us!

Again Suzi, you along with many others are understanding how this Helen Brach murder investigation has evolved. Scandel, cons, coverups and 29 years later and maybe $ billions of taxpayers money spent. The ATF goes after their glorious CON instead of protecting us from current real threats!

So if you want to trust the ATF & FBI and other law enforcement stories in the books written. Be my guest. But you are just being suck into a lot of lies and fabrications to help the feds become great people in setting people up. Sure there are some truths but remember the feds are trained liars! If the feds would spend more time going after criminals with real evidence, instead of lies which create investigation of their cons. Then the feds have to spend a lot more time and money to lie and setup the people uncovering their cons.( It gets real complicated all the lies they create and then cover ups!) In reality if the feds would be honest maybe they would be able to have enough man power to stop terrorism!

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I have been a Farrier for 15 years. Matlick was one of the killers and possibly Joe Plemmons. Also I feel there is a good possibility that a Fed agent that Helen contacted had something to do with her vanishing!

I really do not know for sure. I do feel certain that Matlick was one of the killers.

The are some real funny things that have happened by the Feds over the years. So my feeling is that some people who long ago investigated Helen Brach vanishing found the answer and got paid money to keep it secret

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US admin gain from this, though? They are unable to protect journalists in the field, so as Lara Logan says, "Why would we risk...?" Isn't that the real story that shows how badly things are going - that reporters aren't safe enough to cover what "good news" there might be, so how can things possibly be going well over there? I'm trying to find the angle for the Bush admin, unless it's something along the lines of the Sgrena incident where it is entirely obvious someone was trying to silence her (and in particular the secret service agent Calipari, who I believe was the primary target anyway.) If this kidnapped woman was onto something big, then I can see Floridiot's comment gaining weight. Otherwise, I think it's bad PR for Bush and the insurgents - especially since Muslim leaders have been asking for her release. Well, I guess we'll find out in a few hours. I hope she is released unharmed (that was for the trolls who undoubtedly think we liberals root for her demise.)

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I know that others are now investigating this evil conspiracy and many new things are being discovered. More and more people are seeing clearly what happened when ATF Rotunno and Chuck Goudie got a little too excited about taking their personal vendetta against others. Many more people will soon see that the Helen Brach murder investigation will go down as one of the FEDS biggest blunders. Also from these peoples research other surprising names will appear that have been involved in the Helen Brach Cover Up over the last 28 years.

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I worked for the Jaynes’during the 60’s and seventies. Knew them all well.

I believe Cathy olsen…….she is not the only one who heard things they talked about.

just my 2 sense

Comment by me — 2/9/2006 @ 12:55 pm

Judge Shadur threw Cathy Olsen’s testimony out of court in the Bailey trial saying it was not credible. She was to large to fit in the office closet that she said she over heard this conversation. She was payed lots of money for her drug addiction by the feds and also given other things by the feds. After Joe Plemmons lie of 10 people involved in the Helen Brach Murder she tried to make money and said she saw Helen Brach shot in the same office. She was not going to let Joe Plemmons make all the money! So here we have another person who keeps changing their story to make money! This also was found to be totally a lie! That is why you have not heard about it.

So how credible is that? The feds can get people to say anything they want if the price is right!

Comment by Goud Pierce — 2/9/2006 @ 9:17 pm

In addition to other evidence that Helen Brach's houseman had something to do with killing Helen Brach.( public records show that at least $100's of thousands of bearer bond were missing.) Who knows how many priceless items were taken from her house during the weeks Matlick did not report Helen Brach missing!

Here is some interesting information of a white-gold ring with a large red stone. Joe Plemmons reportedly pick it up when Helen Brach was being transfered into another car and still has it. Was that ring hidden by Joe Plemmons for 28 years after he and Matlick killed her or did a fed agent give it to Joe . A fed agent who knows what really happened to Helen Brach because he was involved in the murder and hid the ring for 28 years. Then knowing that no one suspected that a fed agent was involved brought the ring out to give to Plemmons to make their con look more convincing. I really think the FBI, ATF and Ernie Rizzo know more than they are telling us!

The person I am about to post some information also said that he was told by a person who investigated Helen Brach's murder for years (and it is not Ernie Rizzo) said that the FOX IS GUARDING THE CHICKEN COUP! Hum!

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Maybe he is already investigating this Helen Brach Murder investigation! I have not gotten a response back from him. Also others know that I have attempted before this thread to put the truth out. I am sure there are many checking into this story!!

One other thing,I sort of remember seeing this article before, but forgot to mention it! They may have a ring with a large red stone.It might be said to be alleged potenitial evidence!

Sun Times Article !!!!

In 1977, on her last day alive, candy heiress Helen Brach was beaten unconscious at her Glenview home by crooked horsemen.

As they transferred her from the trunk of a Cadillac to a station wagon that would carry her to an Indiana steel mill, she moaned and they dropped her blanket-wrapped body.

One of the men was ordered at the barrel of a shotgun to finish her off with a revolver. He fired two bullets into the blanket and her body "jumped." The horsemen then hauled her to a blast furnace where she disappeared forever.

That's the chilling account one of the horsemen gave last year to Cook County prosecutors and a U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives agent, court records show.

'Now you know everything'

The man --- granted immunity from prosecution by State's Attorney Richard Devine's office --- confessed he shot Brach and witnessed her body go up in flames in a steel mill off Interstate 65 near Gary, Ind.

"Now you know everything that I've had to live with all these years," the man told authorities in a meeting in a Pennsylvania motel room in October.

The Chicago Sun-Times is not naming the man because he is not charged with a crime.

Sources said investigators have gathered physical evidence and witness statements that corroborate what the alleged killer told them.
Among the potential evidence is a white-gold ring with a large red stone the informant said he found on the ground after Brach's body was transferred to the station wagon. A source said the informant is believed to still have the ring.

I am very interested this theme, with attention I will read following informations.

The ATF Under Fire ( Head of ATF MR. CORRUPTION HIMSELF!)
Thursday, October 12, 2006

The recently departed director of the federal agency that regulates firearms and explosives is guilty of severely mismanaging government funds and misconduct during his tenure at the agency.

As head of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, Carl Truscott misspent federal dollars, committed travel abuse, engaged in improper hiring practices and created a hostile working environment. Details of his tumultuous two years as head of the agency are revealed in a scathing, 173-page report published by the Justice Department's Office of Inspector General.

Among Truscott's wrongdoings is improperly hiring an unqualified former Secret Service colleague who was eventually awarded with a bonus and pay raise by the former ATF director. Truscott also committed travel abuse by taking lavish trips to London, Ottawa, New York and Boston and he spent $100,000 on unnecessary gym equipment as well as thousands more on decorating his office.

Truscott also ordered 20 staff members to help with his nephew's intricate high school project, wasting the agency's time and violating ethics rules. The project consisted of a documentary about the ATF that took 10 months to complete and the report says using agency resources was one of Truscott's many lapses in judgment.

The former director was highly regarded in law enforcement circles when then Attorney General John Ashcroft appointed him to run the ATF in 2004. He was a former investigator for the New Jersey Department of Law and Public Safety and a longtime U.S. Secret Service agent who had been based in New York, Los Angeles and Washington DC. Amid controversy, he resigned as ATF director in August.

One political blog says there is no shock in this news since the ATF has a history of corruption and incompetence as well as a record of hiring people rejected by other federal agencies, often for failing the psychological screening process.

( Thank GOD people are investigating the ATF! If we could only put some of these ATF agents in prison and terminate the ATF. The ATF is too corrupt and reforming has been tried and things have gotten worse! Please GOD send ATF John Rotunno and other little Hoover's (Little Hitler's) to North Korea or Iran. They would be perfect there.) God Bless America!